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Falling water, nuclear, solar, mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill
etc.. "Chloe" wrote in message news  wrote in message ... Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. How do you propose heating your home? Most all forms of heat require burning something Solar doesn't. Well, technically I guess it does since it's the sun that's burning, but it doesn't pollute the earth's air in the process. |
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Serendipity wrote: How is burning grain environmentally friendly? Grain is a renewable resource unlike fossil fuels. Renewable makes it a [possibly] sustainable resource but has nothing to do with its environmental friendliness. I don't know how much energy can be extracted by burning raw grains (without conversion to a different from first) but I would suspect the conversion is quite inefficient and is not in fact sustainable in the large scale (i.e. we could not grow enough to heat all our homes). That is only a guess though. That said, if there is an excess of grains going very cheap nearby you and they can be burned relatively cleanly, it might be a good idea under certain circumstances both from an environmental point of view (less of one million evils) and sustainability (local use only). PK |
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Serendipity wrote: Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle of Epping Forest '' ) wrote: Serendipity wrote: Ron Peterson wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:41:30 -0500, wrote: Have you looked at corn stoves, they work well. Are they really cost effective tho? If the price of corn is low, they can be cost effective. The ones we were looking can be seen at http://www.GrainStovesInc.com They burn wheat, rye, and corn so if the price of corn is high one season, you might be able to get one or the other grain cheaper. The nice thing about these stoves is they are environmentally friendly too. How is burning grain environmentally friendly? Grain is a renewable resource unlike fossil fuels. It currently takes fossil fuels to grow the grain, a lot of fossil fuels, and there is great waste in the process, the non-food biomass being under-utilized, or even not used at all. Taking this high value food product and burning it for energy is like, well, it's like taking high value petroleum fractions and not using them in the chemical industry but instead burning them for energy. Oops. I guess you ain't alone in this. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Gymmy Bob wrote: Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. When the temp gets hot enough, there is almost no smoke. These materials are gasified and consumed to ash. The increased ash content of corn fits in well with what I've read about corn cob gasifiers. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Gymmy Bob wrote: Falling water, nuclear, solar, mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. You are going to heat your house with the heat of people you invite over to exercise? Incomplete combustion has nothing to do with a properly functioning biomass burner. When the temperature gets hot enough, the smoke burns, almost no visible smoke remains. Telling folks to use natural gas is kind of hackle raising to me since obviously it's a fossil fuel, and they sold people in Washington state on it and then built a pipeline to the East and now the price is out of control going up. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:16:30 -0500, wrote:
Anything that uses a renewable source of fuel rather than fossil fuel is environmentally friendly. Im curious... what will you burn if you should buy the grain stove? Will you burn wheat or rye.... instead of corn? Old loaves of stale rye bread from SuperFresh? |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:33:37 -0500, wrote:
Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. How do you propose heating your home? Most all forms of heat require burning something Some people bring the cattle inside .. .they give off heat I hear. |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:13:44 -0500, wrote:
The ones we were looking can be seen at http://www.GrainStovesInc.com They burn wheat, rye, and corn so if the price of corn is high one Those are pretty neat stoves I wasn't aware that one could also burn wheat or rye as well as corn. That's a good idea as it gives you multiple sources of fuel If its snowing outside you can bake bread with some leftover fuel .... The only stoves Ive seen here in the midwest (north Missouri) are the corn and wood pellet burning kind Hmm.... let me know how that wheat/rye/corn stove works out. That might be a better stove to get than a corn only unit |
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Joel M. Eichen wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:33:37 -0500, wrote: Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. How do you propose heating your home? Most all forms of heat require burning something Some people bring the cattle inside .. .they give off heat I hear. Actually building so the animals reside below the human residence is an old way of keeping warm. There is one such home here that does that. I think this style of building is more popular in Sweden (?). -- Think beyond your assumptions. |
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"Joel M. Eichen" wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:15:22 -0500, wrote: Corn is also being used to generate a more environmentally friendly fuel for vehicles - ethanol. There is an ethanol plant not far from us. I suspect more will be built as the product increases in popularity. They are building a ethanol plant not far from me either... north Missouri Do the revenooers know? They are the ones giving the massive tax breaks that make ethanol for fuel production possible, as it certainly isn't price competitive even with oil where it's at now. Ethanol is a good way to raise octane without a lot of weird chemicals that might make the ground water undrinkable. If you spill ethanol in the ground water, worse case, a lot of skid row drunks move to your town and start drinking from your artesian wells. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Serendipity wrote: wrote: Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. How do you propose heating your home? Most all forms of heat require burning something Ideally, solar heat would be great and doesn't involve burning. Of course who needs to heat his house when it's a hot day outside already. Cost of set up may or may not be fairly expensive. Geothermal (no burning) is another method; Although not without potential pitfalls. Attempts to use geothermal near Yellowstone have reportedly affected the regularity of that Park's geysers. cost to retrofit our house is $14,000. Electricity is way to expensive here to heat with. So, you are correct at burning of something for heat. How efficient that burning is makes a big difference! Corn burners are running at 86+% efficiency using a renewable resource. Not bad in my books. Electric space heaters operate at 100% efficiency but that doesn't mean they are cheap to operate or good for the overall environment. I'd rather see you burn farm waste than food. For example, the corn cobs. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:25:20 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle
of Epping Forest '' )" wrote: "Joel M. Eichen" wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:15:22 -0500, wrote: Corn is also being used to generate a more environmentally friendly fuel for vehicles - ethanol. There is an ethanol plant not far from us. I suspect more will be built as the product increases in popularity. They are building a ethanol plant not far from me either... north Missouri Do the revenooers know? They are the ones giving the massive tax breaks that make ethanol for fuel production possible, as it certainly isn't price competitive even with oil where it's at now. Ethanol is a good way to raise octane without a lot of weird chemicals If you work at the plant, can you smuggle out a pint or two a day? Joel that might make the ground water undrinkable. If you spill ethanol in the ground water, worse case, a lot of skid row drunks move to your town and start drinking from your artesian wells. |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:32:45 -0400, "Gymmy Bob"
wrote: Fossil fuels are still renewable and being cxreated as we speak. Maybe not as fast as trees though. TRUE, there are dinosaurs who are giving up their lives as we speak. Joel "Paul Kierstead" wrote in message news In article , Serendipity wrote: How is burning grain environmentally friendly? Grain is a renewable resource unlike fossil fuels. Renewable makes it a [possibly] sustainable resource but has nothing to do with its environmental friendliness. I don't know how much energy can be extracted by burning raw grains (without conversion to a different from first) but I would suspect the conversion is quite inefficient and is not in fact sustainable in the large scale (i.e. we could not grow enough to heat all our homes). That is only a guess though. That said, if there is an excess of grains going very cheap nearby you and they can be burned relatively cleanly, it might be a good idea under certain circumstances both from an environmental point of view (less of one million evils) and sustainability (local use only). PK |
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Fossil fuels are still renewable and being cxreated as we speak. Maybe not
as fast as trees though. "Paul Kierstead" wrote in message news In article , Serendipity wrote: How is burning grain environmentally friendly? Grain is a renewable resource unlike fossil fuels. Renewable makes it a [possibly] sustainable resource but has nothing to do with its environmental friendliness. I don't know how much energy can be extracted by burning raw grains (without conversion to a different from first) but I would suspect the conversion is quite inefficient and is not in fact sustainable in the large scale (i.e. we could not grow enough to heat all our homes). That is only a guess though. That said, if there is an excess of grains going very cheap nearby you and they can be burned relatively cleanly, it might be a good idea under certain circumstances both from an environmental point of view (less of one million evils) and sustainability (local use only). PK |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:18:51 -0400, Serendipity
wrote: wrote: Anything that uses a renewable source of fuel rather than fossil fuel is environmentally friendly. Im curious... what will you burn if you should buy the grain stove? Will you burn wheat or rye.... instead of corn? We live in an area where all are plentiful so it will depend on the unit price of the grain when we go to buy. Some of these stoves also burn cherry pits. If you have a source for those, it might be worth looking into. I didn't want to get into this but the title says PELLET stoves. Would that be rabbit pellets by any chance? Joel |
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Natural gas is much cheaper where I am than firewood and much cleaner. I
like to be able to breath in the morning. "Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle of Epping Forest '' )" wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote: Falling water, nuclear, solar, mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. You are going to heat your house with the heat of people you invite over to exercise? Incomplete combustion has nothing to do with a properly functioning biomass burner. When the temperature gets hot enough, the smoke burns, almost no visible smoke remains. Telling folks to use natural gas is kind of hackle raising to me since obviously it's a fossil fuel, and they sold people in Washington state on it and then built a pipeline to the East and now the price is out of control going up. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Joel M. Eichen wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:18:51 -0400, Serendipity wrote: wrote: Anything that uses a renewable source of fuel rather than fossil fuel is environmentally friendly. Im curious... what will you burn if you should buy the grain stove? Will you burn wheat or rye.... instead of corn? We live in an area where all are plentiful so it will depend on the unit price of the grain when we go to buy. Some of these stoves also burn cherry pits. If you have a source for those, it might be worth looking into. I didn't want to get into this but the title says PELLET stoves. Would that be rabbit pellets by any chance? Nope, wood or agro pellets. Not sure what agro pellets are. I'm still researching this. Joel -- Think beyond your assumptions. |
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Chloe wrote in message news wrote Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. How do you propose heating your home? You could live where no heat is necessary. Most all forms of heat require burning something Solar doesn't. Well, technically I guess it does since it's the sun that's burning, Nope, its a massive nuke quite a distance away. but it doesn't pollute the earth's air in the process. It does, actually. |
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Gymmy Bob wrote in message ... Falling water, nuclear, solar, Fine. mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. Both of those pollute. "Chloe" wrote in message news wrote in message ... Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. How do you propose heating your home? Most all forms of heat require burning something Solar doesn't. Well, technically I guess it does since it's the sun that's burning, but it doesn't pollute the earth's air in the process. |
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"Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle of Epping Forest '' )" wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote: Falling water, nuclear, solar, mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. You are going to heat your house with the heat of people you invite over to exercise? They dont need to exercise if its insulated well enough. Incomplete combustion has nothing to do with a properly functioning biomass burner. When the temperature gets hot enough, the smoke burns, almost no visible smoke remains. Still pollutes most obviously with the CO2 produced. Telling folks to use natural gas is kind of hackle raising to me Your problem. since obviously it's a fossil fuel, and they sold people in Washington state on it and then built a pipeline to the East and now the price is out of control going up. Move to somewhere which has cheap natural gas, if they'll have you. |
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"Serendipity" wrote in message ... Joel M. Eichen wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:33:37 -0500, wrote: Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. How do you propose heating your home? Most all forms of heat require burning something Some people bring the cattle inside .. .they give off heat I hear. Actually building so the animals reside below the human residence is an old way of keeping warm. There is one such home here that does that. I think this style of building is more popular in Sweden (?). Pity about the stench of all that cow****. |
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Bill Bonde wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. When the temp gets hot enough, there is almost no smoke. The CO2 is still not environmentally friendly. These materials are gasified and consumed to ash. And the ash isnt that environmentally friendly either. The increased ash content of corn fits in well with what I've read about corn cob gasifiers. And you still have the environmental unfriendlyness of corn growing. |
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Joel M. Eichen wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:16:30 -0500, wrote: Anything that uses a renewable source of fuel rather than fossil fuel is environmentally friendly. Im curious... what will you burn if you should buy the grain stove? Will you burn wheat or rye.... instead of corn? Old loaves of stale rye bread from SuperFresh? "stale rye bread" "SuperFresh" Huh? -- "You take the BLUE PILL, you wake up in your own bed, and you BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO. You take the RED PILL, you stay in WONDERLAND, and I'll show you HOW DEEP THE RABBIT HOLE GOES." - Morpheus red pill: http://www.861.info/ --- "They" don't want you to look here. |
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Rod Speed wrote: Bill Bonde wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. When the temp gets hot enough, there is almost no smoke. The CO2 is still not environmentally friendly. But since we are talking about biomass, this is part of the fast CO2 cycle. Just grown more biomass. These materials are gasified and consumed to ash. And the ash isnt that environmentally friendly either. Coal ash isn't, but wood ash can be fine. They used to slash burn all the time around here. The new trees grow in the old tree's ash. The burn speeds up the process. The increased ash content of corn fits in well with what I've read about corn cob gasifiers. And you still have the environmental unfriendlyness of corn growing. But you have to grow the corn to eat the grain. I'm talking about using the farm residue in gasification. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Gymmy Bob wrote: Natural gas is much cheaper where I am than firewood and much cleaner. I like to be able to breath in the morning. Natural gas is limited fossil fuel whose price is rapidly going up due to short supply, like it or not. "Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle of Epping Forest '' )" wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote: Falling water, nuclear, solar, mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. You are going to heat your house with the heat of people you invite over to exercise? Incomplete combustion has nothing to do with a properly functioning biomass burner. When the temperature gets hot enough, the smoke burns, almost no visible smoke remains. Telling folks to use natural gas is kind of hackle raising to me since obviously it's a fossil fuel, and they sold people in Washington state on it and then built a pipeline to the East and now the price is out of control going up. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Rod Speed wrote: "Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle of Epping Forest '' )" wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote: Falling water, nuclear, solar, mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. You are going to heat your house with the heat of people you invite over to exercise? They dont need to exercise if its insulated well enough. They could live in a dewar. Incomplete combustion has nothing to do with a properly functioning biomass burner. When the temperature gets hot enough, the smoke burns, almost no visible smoke remains. Still pollutes most obviously with the CO2 produced. It's the cycle of life, porc chop. Telling folks to use natural gas is kind of hackle raising to me Your problem. since obviously it's a fossil fuel, and they sold people in Washington state on it and then built a pipeline to the East and now the price is out of control going up. Move to somewhere which has cheap natural gas, if they'll have you. Cheap natural gas only exists where they haven't got the pipelines built to the places where it isn't cheap. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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"Joel M. Eichen" wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:25:20 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle of Epping Forest '' )" wrote: "Joel M. Eichen" wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:15:22 -0500, wrote: Corn is also being used to generate a more environmentally friendly fuel for vehicles - ethanol. There is an ethanol plant not far from us. I suspect more will be built as the product increases in popularity. They are building a ethanol plant not far from me either... north Missouri Do the revenooers know? They are the ones giving the massive tax breaks that make ethanol for fuel production possible, as it certainly isn't price competitive even with oil where it's at now. Ethanol is a good way to raise octane without a lot of weird chemicals If you work at the plant, can you smuggle out a pint or two a day? Very probably. You want to dry out your car's gas lines? -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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"Joel M. Eichen" wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:18:51 -0400, Serendipity wrote: wrote: Anything that uses a renewable source of fuel rather than fossil fuel is environmentally friendly. Im curious... what will you burn if you should buy the grain stove? Will you burn wheat or rye.... instead of corn? We live in an area where all are plentiful so it will depend on the unit price of the grain when we go to buy. Some of these stoves also burn cherry pits. If you have a source for those, it might be worth looking into. I didn't want to get into this but the title says PELLET stoves. Would that be rabbit pellets by any chance? Dried rabbit scat should burn fine. It might even work in these stoves. And those green pellet things they feed the rabbits might work too. I don't know about the bunnies themselves though, might be a non-flammable in-between state. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Gymmy Bob wrote: Fossil fuels are still renewable and being cxreated as we speak. Maybe not as fast as trees though. While there are various theories, I don't know that we know that crude oil like we are drilling today is still being created. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Bill Bonde wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote Fossil fuels are still renewable and being cxreated as we speak. Maybe not as fast as trees though. While there are various theories, I don't know that we know that crude oil like we are drilling today is still being created. Corse it is. |
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Bill Bonde wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote Bill Bonde wrote Gymmy Bob wrote Falling water, nuclear, solar, mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. You are going to heat your house with the heat of people you invite over to exercise? They dont need to exercise if its insulated well enough. They could live in a dewar. Dont need to to get that effect. Incomplete combustion has nothing to do with a properly functioning biomass burner. When the temperature gets hot enough, the smoke burns, almost no visible smoke remains. Still pollutes most obviously with the CO2 produced. It's the cycle of life, Nope. Telling folks to use natural gas is kind of hackle raising to me Your problem. since obviously it's a fossil fuel, and they sold people in Washington state on it and then built a pipeline to the East and now the price is out of control going up. Move to somewhere which has cheap natural gas, if they'll have you. Cheap natural gas only exists where they haven't got the pipelines built to the places where it isn't cheap. Wrong. As always. |
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Bill Bonde wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote Bill Bonde wrote Gymmy Bob wrote Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. When the temp gets hot enough, there is almost no smoke. The CO2 is still not environmentally friendly. But since we are talking about biomass, this is part of the fast CO2 cycle. Just grown more biomass. Not even possible to grow enough to stop the CO2 level in the atmosphere from increasing. These materials are gasified and consumed to ash. And the ash isnt that environmentally friendly either. Coal ash isn't, but wood ash can be fine. Nope. They used to slash burn all the time around here. Another environmental obscenity. The new trees grow in the old tree's ash. The burn speeds up the process. Only because it eliminates the competition. The increased ash content of corn fits in well with what I've read about corn cob gasifiers. And you still have the environmental unfriendlyness of corn growing. But you have to grow the corn to eat the grain. **** all of it gets eaten. I'm talking about using the farm residue in gasification. Not viable for anyone but the farmer. |
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There is no short supply of petroleum. Fossil fuel has yet to be determined.
The short supply is in the minds of the brainwashed USanians in an effort to rage war on others. Trees are becoming in short supply and we face a shortage of them more than "fossil" fuels. Why do you think there is so much "aspenite" and garbage board, OSB plywood around. The 200-500 year old tress are fast disappearing and we live with softer versions now. We have killed off all our "rain forests" and now we try to control the rest of the world. "Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle of Epping Forest '' )" wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote: Natural gas is much cheaper where I am than firewood and much cleaner. I like to be able to breath in the morning. Natural gas is limited fossil fuel whose price is rapidly going up due to short supply, like it or not. "Bill Bonde ( ``This is the Battle of Epping Forest '' )" wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote: Falling water, nuclear, solar, mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. You are going to heat your house with the heat of people you invite over to exercise? Incomplete combustion has nothing to do with a properly functioning biomass burner. When the temperature gets hot enough, the smoke burns, almost no visible smoke remains. Telling folks to use natural gas is kind of hackle raising to me since obviously it's a fossil fuel, and they sold people in Washington state on it and then built a pipeline to the East and now the price is out of control going up. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Children are venerially created.
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Gymmy Bob wrote in message ... Falling water, nuclear, solar, Fine. mice on a treadmill, children on a treadmill etc.. Both of those pollute. "Chloe" wrote in message news wrote in message ... Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. How do you propose heating your home? Most all forms of heat require burning something Solar doesn't. Well, technically I guess it does since it's the sun that's burning, but it doesn't pollute the earth's air in the process. |
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Rod Speed wrote: Bill Bonde wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote Bill Bonde wrote Gymmy Bob wrote Burning anything is not environmental friendly. I guess it depends on what environment you want to live in. I prefer to have some sunshine and clouds in the sky. When the temp gets hot enough, there is almost no smoke. The CO2 is still not environmentally friendly. But since we are talking about biomass, this is part of the fast CO2 cycle. Just grown more biomass. Not even possible to grow enough to stop the CO2 level in the atmosphere from increasing. Now you are changing the subject. The idea of using biomass is that it releases CO2 that was sequestered in the biomass when it grew. Similar amounts of CO2 are then used to grow back that biomass. This is a carbon cycle, a rapid carbon cycle. There are other carbon cycles involving time frames that you wouldn't want to wait up tea for. These materials are gasified and consumed to ash. And the ash isnt that environmentally friendly either. Coal ash isn't, but wood ash can be fine. Nope. Like it or not but forests have burned and brush fires have exists since way before you put up your penthouse in the boarder scrub. In all that time, nature has survived. They used to slash burn all the time around here. Another environmental obscenity. The forests are optimized to have fire. We are learning this. Small fires often or huge fire storms once in a while, take your choice. I think that gasification of the forest debris load could ultimately emulate forest fire without the forest fire in at least some of our forests. The new trees grow in the old tree's ash. The burn speeds up the process. Only because it eliminates the competition. It speeds the availability of the minerals that would otherwise remain trapped in the rotting logs and debris. This lets us jump ahead to the valuable trees and avoid the broadleaf waste. The increased ash content of corn fits in well with what I've read about corn cob gasifiers. And you still have the environmental unfriendlyness of corn growing. But you have to grow the corn to eat the grain. **** all of it gets eaten. Whether there is too much corn right now doesn't mean that we don't need any. I'm talking about using the farm residue in gasification. Not viable for anyone but the farmer. Oh, I agree, farmers should be the ones using farm residues. Of course given that some people seem to want to buy corn to burn, maybe there is a market for the cobs. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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Gymmy Bob wrote: There is no short supply of petroleum. Fossil fuel has yet to be determined. The short supply is in the minds of the brainwashed USanians in an effort to rage war on others. Good grief. If you want to talk about politics, you are the one who changed the subject. Trees are becoming in short supply and we face a shortage of them more than "fossil" fuels. Why do you think there is so much "aspenite" and garbage board, OSB plywood around. The 200-500 year old tress are fast disappearing and we live with softer versions now. Wood is cheap here in PNW. If you don't have at least a log truck of even perfectly straight hundred foot logs, don't bother. It's just cut down and spit into firewood. We have killed off all our "rain forests" and now we try to control the rest of the world. What rain forests in the US? There's one in the Olympic National Park. Rains a lot, not destroyed. -- "In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of major and very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If this is what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the Victoria Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling" |
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