It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil

--
Phil Munro Dept of Electrical & Computer Engin
Youngstown State University
Youngstown, Ohio 44555

Phil Munro writes:

It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil

A lot of these people are on Google Groups where they see
whole threads.

The rest are just clueless.

There's a page on Google where you can ask them to implement
quoting as default behavior. It's a simple form to fill
out.

A lot of these people are on Google Groups where they see
whole threads.

The rest are just clueless.

There's a page on Google where you can ask them to implement
quoting as default behavior. It's a simple form to fill
out.

Google groups used to auto-quote. That stopped being automatic awhile
back. I would suppose that is accounting for the upswing.

To "quote" from google groups, you need to click on the show options
"option" in the post you want to quote and then click on the blue
"reply" link at the top of the box that opens.....It's explained in the
Help section of google groups....

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:26:28 -0500, Phil Munro
wrote:

It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

dave y. wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:26:28 -0500, Phil Munro
wrote:


It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?
I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil

--
Phil Munro Dept of Electrical & Computer Engin
Youngstown State University
Youngstown, Ohio 44555

Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue

there's a bunch of weather websites where you enter the city for local
weather reports.



"Palindr˜»me" wrote in message
...
Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to
be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and they
are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue

In article , sb382638
@hotmail.com.invalid says...
Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to be..

Yes, Euclid is a 'burb of Cleveland and about 80mi. from
Youngstown. Weather? What time of day?

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Quite different. Myrtle Beach is 700mi south (a little east).

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

No alcohol Naw! I live about 700mi north-east of Euclid and so
far this winter it's been fairly warm (maybe 40F warmer than last
year today). Who knows what it'll be in a couple of weeks though.
Cleveland is on Lake Erie so tends to get "lake-effect snow", so
some snow can be expected if you're there for any time.

--
Keith

--
Keith

bill allemann wrote:
there's a bunch of weather websites where you enter the city for local
weather reports.

Thanks.

I have - but they aren't what I expected. Everyone has told me January
in Ohio is all snow and bitterly cold but the present forecasts look
positively balmy.

So I was just looking for some local input and a post from someone who
looked to be in the neighbourhood looked a good opportunity to find out.

Sorry.

--
Sue

Keith Williams wrote:
In article , sb382638
@hotmail.com.invalid says...

Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil


Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to be..


Yes, Euclid is a 'burb of Cleveland and about 80mi. from
Youngstown. Weather? What time of day?


Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.


Quite different. Myrtle Beach is 700mi south (a little east).


Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..


No alcohol Naw! I live about 700mi north-east of Euclid and so
far this winter it's been fairly warm (maybe 40F warmer than last
year today). Who knows what it'll be in a couple of weeks though.
Cleveland is on Lake Erie so tends to get "lake-effect snow", so
some snow can be expected if you're there for any time.


Thanks. Your last paragraph explains things perfectly. I was finding it
hard to reconcile the apparent weather with what I had been told. If it
is 40F warmer than a year ago, that explains a lot. Wow. That is some
difference.

Dragging back memories of school geography, I thought the big US
continental land mass meant that weather conditions tended to have
short-term stability and so the weather in a couple of weeks time will
be much the same as it is now..

--
Sue

It's easy. Just top post and snip all the relevent text.

Then crosspost, ya moron.

Steve ;-)

But, ... , see? ... WHO is the moron you are replying to? Is it I,
or is it someone else?
And, you are right that editing replys is always important, but taking
out EVERYTHING can make it imposible to follow the thread sometimes.
--Phil

Steve B wrote:

It's easy. Just top post and snip all the relevent text.

Then crosspost, ya moron.

Steve ;-)


--
Phil Munro Dept of Electrical & Computer Engin
Youngstown State University
Youngstown, Ohio 44555

In article , sb382638
@hotmail.com.invalid says...
Keith Williams wrote:
In article , sb382638
@hotmail.com.invalid says...

Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil


Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to be..


Yes, Euclid is a 'burb of Cleveland and about 80mi. from
Youngstown. Weather? What time of day?


Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.


Quite different. Myrtle Beach is 700mi south (a little east).


Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..


No alcohol Naw! I live about 700mi north-east of Euclid and so
far this winter it's been fairly warm (maybe 40F warmer than last
year today). Who knows what it'll be in a couple of weeks though.
Cleveland is on Lake Erie so tends to get "lake-effect snow", so
some snow can be expected if you're there for any time.


Thanks. Your last paragraph explains things perfectly. I was finding it
hard to reconcile the apparent weather with what I had been told. If it
is 40F warmer than a year ago, that explains a lot. Wow. That is some
difference.

I just checked. It's 43F right now. There wasn't one day last
January when it got above 32F, and two weeks when it didn't get
above 10F (lows down to -25F). 40F warmer than this time last year
isn't far off.

Dragging back memories of school geography, I thought the big US
continental land mass meant that weather conditions tended to have
short-term stability and so the weather in a couple of weeks time will
be much the same as it is now..

If "short term" == an hour. ;-) The US isn't just a large
continental land mass. The Gulf of Mexico changes weather patterns
substantially. It's not at all like Asia, for example.

The high in Euclid today is supposed to be 58F.

http://wwwa.accuweather.com/index-forecast.asp?
partner=accuweather&myadc=0&zipcode=44117&u=1

The "long term" (two weeks) forecast[*] for Euclid is in the mid
20s, so don't count on _any_ stability in the weather.

http://wwwa.accuweather.com/forecast-page3.asp?
partner=accuweather&myadc=0&traveler=1&zipcode=441 17&fday=11
&metric=0
[*] Not to be relied on.

--
Keith

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:11:18 +0000, Palindr?me
wrote:

bill allemann wrote:
there's a bunch of weather websites where you enter the city for local
weather reports.

Thanks.

I have - but they aren't what I expected. Everyone has told me January
in Ohio is all snow and bitterly cold but the present forecasts look
positively balmy.

I don't live in Ohio, I live in western New York, and all I can tell
you right now is that we're having a really wierd winter this year.
Normally January-March is true winter, but this year, not really so
far. Just check Accuweather or Wunderground or the Weather Channel
right before you leave to get the forecast.

"Palindr?me" wrote

I have - but they aren't what I expected. Everyone has told me January in
Ohio is all snow and bitterly cold but the present forecasts look
positively balmy.

So I was just looking for some local input and a post from someone who
looked to be in the neighbourhood looked a good opportunity to find out.

Sorry.

--
Sue

You'll have to check the weather, the day b/4 you get here.

I work for ODOT in the area you will be traveling to. Just this last Tues,
we were salting & plowing with a ground temp of 24 degrees. Today Friday,
we were out patching potholes in 50+ degrees.

Last year at this time, we had somewhere around 22 straight days plowing &
salting, without a day off.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:26:28 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:

It is really hard



That's what *SHE* said...

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:07:21 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:

I use what I use,

You should place at least ONE blank line between what was quoted, and
your CRAP.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:


But, ... , see?


Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick, you should NEVER top post in Usenet.

It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.

"Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:


But, ... , see?


Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick, you should NEVER top post in Usenet.

It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.


There are many newsgroups (the Jeep ones for a set of examples) that prefer
top-posting. 'Never' is just the wrong word..........
Tomes

"Phil Munro" wrote in message
...
It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil


Here is what I do Phil. I use the View: Hide Read Messages (which is what I
suspect you are doing, although it might carry a different naming). If I
wish to go back into an already read part of the thread I simply change the
view to Show All Messages. Easy as cake.
Hoping this might help,
Tomes
(who wishes that top posting was the norm in _these_ NGs as it makes the
most sense to me)

Tomes wrote:
"Phil Munro" wrote in message
...

It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

I use Mozilla Thunderbird and i think it would reduce your problems,
and it's free... it integrates with Firefox perfectly which is also free.

-bob

"Tomes" wrote in message
ink.net...
:
: "Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in
message
: ...
: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro

: Gave us:
:
:
: But, ... , see?
:
:
: Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick, you should NEVER top post in
Usenet.
:
: It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.
:
:
: There are many newsgroups (the Jeep ones for a set of examples)
that prefer
: top-posting. 'Never' is just the wrong word..........
: Tomes
:
:
It "always" is! g

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to
be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to
be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue


The short answer is no. Cleveland, Euclid and the other suburbs to the
East and Northeast of Cleveland are called "the snow belt". they get "lake
effect" precipitation and generally have a worse time of it then West and
South.
In general when you travel south, even as little as Akron the winter weather
tends to be milder.

the better answer is who knows? we tend to get severe blizzards in February.
bring a coat and gloves.

TimPerry wrote:
Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to

be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue



The short answer is no. Cleveland, Euclid and the other suburbs to the
East and Northeast of Cleveland are called "the snow belt". they get "lake
effect" precipitation and generally have a worse time of it then West and
South.
In general when you travel south, even as little as Akron the winter weather
tends to be milder.

the better answer is who knows? we tend to get severe blizzards in February.
bring a coat and gloves.


Thanks everyone.

I have settled on the "Scott of the Antarctic" look, sans snow-shoes. I
don't intend to pack that much as I assume that shops there will have a
better range of suitable clothing than those in Devon, UK.

I was planning to hire a car and drive up to see friends in Toronto -
but will leave the decision on that until I get to Euclid. The
temperature there seems to have fallen 20 degrees in a week.

For those that have despaired over my wanderings OT for the group - I
apologise. But I have always been of the conviction that, if you wan't
to know the reality and not the wishful thinking, ask an engineer...

--
Sue

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:32:24 GMT, "Tomes" Gave us:


"Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:


But, ... , see?


Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick, you should NEVER top post in Usenet.

It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.


There are many newsgroups (the Jeep ones for a set of examples) that prefer
top-posting. 'Never' is just the wrong word..........
Tomes


No. Coming up with "sets" of groups that were so retarded that they
had to declare themselves "different" is just wrong.

It is ALT. Get used to it. Don't try to warp it. Ye be warped.

"Palindr~»me" wrote in message
...
TimPerry wrote:
Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to

be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue



The short answer is no. Cleveland, Euclid and the other suburbs to the
East and Northeast of Cleveland are called "the snow belt". they get
"lake
effect" precipitation and generally have a worse time of it then West
and
South.
In general when you travel south, even as little as Akron the winter
weather
tends to be milder.

the better answer is who knows? we tend to get severe blizzards in
February.
bring a coat and gloves.


Thanks everyone.

I have settled on the "Scott of the Antarctic" look, sans snow-shoes. I
don't intend to pack that much as I assume that shops there will have a
better range of suitable clothing than those in Devon, UK.

I was planning to hire a car and drive up to see friends in Toronto -
but will leave the decision on that until I get to Euclid. The
temperature there seems to have fallen 20 degrees in a week.

For those that have despaired over my wanderings OT for the group - I
apologise. But I have always been of the conviction that, if you wan't
to know the reality and not the wishful thinking, ask an engineer...

Is 'www.weather.com' not accessible from outside north america? Just punch
in the city and state name before you start packing, and click the '10 day
forecast' button.

aem sends...

ameijers wrote:
"Palindrâ~»me" wrote in message
...

TimPerry wrote:

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to

be..


Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue



The short answer is no. Cleveland, Euclid and the other suburbs to the
East and Northeast of Cleveland are called "the snow belt". they get

"lake

effect" precipitation and generally have a worse time of it then West

and

South.
In general when you travel south, even as little as Akron the winter

weather

tends to be milder.

the better answer is who knows? we tend to get severe blizzards in

February.

bring a coat and gloves.



Thanks everyone.

I have settled on the "Scott of the Antarctic" look, sans snow-shoes. I
don't intend to pack that much as I assume that shops there will have a
better range of suitable clothing than those in Devon, UK.

I was planning to hire a car and drive up to see friends in Toronto -
but will leave the decision on that until I get to Euclid. The
temperature there seems to have fallen 20 degrees in a week.

For those that have despaired over my wanderings OT for the group - I
apologise. But I have always been of the conviction that, if you wan't
to know the reality and not the wishful thinking, ask an engineer...


Is 'www.weather.com' not accessible from outside north america? Just punch
in the city and state name before you start packing, and click the '10 day
forecast' button.

Yep, weather forecasts are accessible - together with historic data of
the weather there a year ago. I wasn't expecting and didn't understand
why it was so different from last year (like 30 degrees or more
different) and wanted to know if it would last..I was taught, typically
wrongly, that the big land mass of the US meant stable weather patterns
that altered only slowly. That you can have a ten day forecast that can
be believed is quite something....

I have never lived anywhere with temperatures that do those sorts of
changes in so short a time...

--
Sue

Yep, weather forecasts are accessible - together with historic data of
the weather there a year ago. I wasn't expecting and didn't understand
why it was so different from last year (like 30 degrees or more
different) and wanted to know if it would last..I was taught, typically
wrongly, that the big land mass of the US meant stable weather patterns
that altered only slowly. That you can have a ten day forecast that can
be believed is quite something....

I have never lived anywhere with temperatures that do those sorts of
changes in so short a time...

--
Sue


the bittersweet saying for this area of the US is: if you don't like the
weather wait 5 minutes.

TimPerry, 1/31/2006, 12:50:08 AM,
wrote:

the bittersweet saying for this area of the US is: if you don't like
the weather wait 5 minutes.

Where's that, MidAtlantic area?

"badgolferman" wrote in message
...
TimPerry, 1/31/2006, 12:50:08 AM,
wrote:

the bittersweet saying for this area of the US is: if you don't like
the weather wait 5 minutes.

Where's that, MidAtlantic area?

I've heard a lot of areas claim this. Midwest (Wisconson), MidAtlantic
(Va), New England (Maine), even Florida in the summer time.

I think it's a 'universal truth', like "everyone talks about the weather,
but...."

daestrom

the bittersweet saying for this area of the US is: if you don't like
the weather wait 5 minutes.

Where's that, MidAtlantic area?

that too, but we were talking about Cleveland metro


I've heard a lot of areas claim this. Midwest (Wisconson), MidAtlantic
(Va), New England (Maine), even Florida in the summer time.

I think it's a 'universal truth', like "everyone talks about the weather,
but...."

daestrom


Cleveland update: its been an unusually mild winter so far (so the residents
say). it was quite mild there today. when i stopped at the Pennsylvania
state line it was fridged. when i got back to central New York there is snow
on the ground.

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:34:58 -0500, TimPerry wrote:

the bittersweet saying for this area of the US is: if you don't like
the weather wait 5 minutes.

Where's that, MidAtlantic area?

that too, but we were talking about Cleveland metro

Sure. Teh point I tried to express to the OP was that the weather
patterns in the US are quite unstable, mostly because of the Gulf of
Mexico.


I've heard a lot of areas claim this. Midwest (Wisconson), MidAtlantic
(Va), New England (Maine), even Florida in the summer time.

I think it's a 'universal truth', like "everyone talks about the
weather, but...."

daestrom


Cleveland update: its been an unusually mild winter so far (so the
residents say). it was quite mild there today. when i stopped at the
Pennsylvania state line it was fridged. when i got back to central New
York there is snow on the ground.

I live in NW Vermont (a seven hundred or so miles to the NE of Cleveland)
and it's been mostly in the 30s and 40s. Today was like spring! We're
about 15% behind normal in heating_degree_days. Last year wasn't so kind.

--
Keith