I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote in
oups.com:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT



One that does what you want and costs what you are willing to pay for
it....

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On Jul 4, 7:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

I've been repairing electronics for 35 years and can count on one hand
the times I wanted a drill press while performing a repair. Get a
Metcal soldering iron instead.

At home I have a 15" Delta floor drill press and the drill press
adaptor for a Dremel. Go check out Harbor Freight, Home Depot and
Sears.

GG

Too_Many_Tools wrote in
oups.com:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT


Get a good woodworking or metalworking one. Make sure it can take your
half inch bits (as a fellow reader of the wRECk, you'll understand) and
don't worry about the small ones. If your chuck won't hold them, get an
adapter. (My Ryobi held a #80 bit with no trouble.)

Puckdropper
--
Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 7:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

I've been repairing electronics for 35 years and can count on one hand
the times I wanted a drill press while performing a repair. Get a
Metcal soldering iron instead.

At home I have a 15" Delta floor drill press and the drill press
adaptor for a Dremel. Go check out Harbor Freight, Home Depot and
Sears.

GG

Like wise - and for 37 years now. I have a 'standard' home power drill and
stand that I use for anything over about 2mm, and a hobbyist 12v high speed
mini drill kit, that has a drill press stand and flexible drives, cutting
and grinding wheels etc, for anything below 2mm and PCB drilling, and any
jobs that need hand access. I have owned this kit for the whole time that I
have been involved in electronic repair work, and never needed anything any
more specialist. I agree with GG, your money would be better put into a
decent temperature controlled soldering iron, or better yet, a desoldering
station.

Arfa

Puckdropper writes:

Too_Many_Tools wrote in
oups.com:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT


Get a good woodworking or metalworking one. Make sure it can take your
half inch bits (as a fellow reader of the wRECk, you'll understand) and
don't worry about the small ones. If your chuck won't hold them, get an
adapter. (My Ryobi held a #80 bit with no trouble.)

I've been using the smallest "real" Crafstman drill press for about 25 years.
(Probably called a 6 inch or 8 inch model.)

They are usually less than $100 on sale (and that price doesn't seem to have
changed in 25 years!). It will hold very small bits with no detectible
runout, but is large enough to handle medium size jobs. I have a 15" drill
press as well but that gets a lot less use.

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Unless you get a precision drill press, you'll need an adapter
chuck (preferably with clutch) for the tiny drills you need for
PC holes. Albrecht makes three nice models. Here's an
example:

http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=290-1293&PMPXNO=952306&PARTPG=INLMK3

An ordinary drill press isn't precise enough with tiny drills by itself.

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

If you already own a drill motor, consider a stand that will take
your drill and convert it into a drill press, like:

http://amazon.com/Wolfcraft-3408-Dri...m/B000MRQDP2/2

and the others pictured on the same page.

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

In article .com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

What do you want to do with it?

In article , Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

What do you want to do with it?

Hmmmm, maybe drilling out riveted transistors??

I usually use a drill press for construction. There is one widely available,
and they are about $39. I have one and it pretty good for that money.
If one needs to drill PC holes, I don't know how much precision is
necessary before you start breaking drill bits.

greg

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT


Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards, that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards, that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

In article .com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards, that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article .com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.

Agreed

Arfa

Smitty Two wrote:


On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?


snip


This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us?
snip
How might a drill press assist... snip

Actually I think that this is a very good question and no one has
really answered with any make and model information for quality
minidrill press tools. If the definition of "repair" includes
"rework", "modify and engineer", "ECO", "FCO", etc. this tool
is _absolutely_ _essential_ in any well-equipped shop. I use
a Sherline MiniMill, but it is not ideal as a drill press since
its Z-axis deflection requires many turns of a handwheel. I also
use the Stahler PCB milling attachments for conventional drill
presses to clear areas on PCB copper for pads and vias and these
tools make very good small drill bit holders as well. The
ubiquitous high-speed hand tool like Dremel is also frequently
used to drill although I don't use the press attachment.

There are a class of precision drill presses that ought to be
mentioned by any one owning one...

Regards,

Michael

In article ,
msg wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:


On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?


snip


This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us?
snip
How might a drill press assist... snip

Actually I think that this is a very good question and no one has
really answered with any make and model information for quality
minidrill press tools. If the definition of "repair" includes
"rework", "modify and engineer", "ECO", "FCO", etc. this tool
is _absolutely_ _essential_ in any well-equipped shop. I use
a Sherline MiniMill, but it is not ideal as a drill press since
its Z-axis deflection requires many turns of a handwheel. I also
use the Stahler PCB milling attachments for conventional drill
presses to clear areas on PCB copper for pads and vias and these
tools make very good small drill bit holders as well. The
ubiquitous high-speed hand tool like Dremel is also frequently
used to drill although I don't use the press attachment.

There are a class of precision drill presses that ought to be
mentioned by any one owning one...

Regards,

Michael

Is "too many tools" your brother, or your alias? You seem to be the only
one who's particularly enamored of his cryptic questions.

Smitty Two wrote:

snip
msg wrote:

There are a class of precision drill presses that ought to be
mentioned by any one owning one...

snip

Is "too many tools" your brother, or your alias? You seem to be the only
one who's particularly enamored of his cryptic questions.

Don't know him and the last reply was my only one to any posts of his.
Check article headers -- I have nothing to do with the original poster.

I am keenly interested in this subject and perhaps discussion of it
is more appropriate to another N.G., but since this tread exists here
I responded.

I am converting my Sherline Mill to N.C. with a homebrew motor and controller
set and have stumbled upon an MCU and firmware which will drive the
mill to create PCBs directly from Gerber or Eagle plot files if anyone
is interested.

I also appreciate precision tooling, especially old precision drill presses
and I would encourage any owners of same to post make and model information
together with remarks about performance, maintenance, costs and availability.

The bulk of my "repair" work has been in the industrial space and involved
fabrication rather than replacement so for me this is a very germane
"repair" oriented discussion.

Regards,

Michael

In article ,
msg wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:

snip
msg wrote:

There are a class of precision drill presses that ought to be
mentioned by any one owning one...

snip

Is "too many tools" your brother, or your alias? You seem to be the only
one who's particularly enamored of his cryptic questions.

Don't know him and the last reply was my only one to any posts of his.
Check article headers -- I have nothing to do with the original poster.


Michael

In article ,
msg wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I have always liked seeing other people's workshops....one can learn
alot as to how they are arranged, the tools and test equipment being
used and how small parts are stored. Layouts of benches, seating,
lighting and power always seem to be customized in a manner that are
different.

Indeed, I hope folks do respond to this request and post photos; I
too am always seeking layout and storage ideas and especially creative
solutions to small-space issues.

Regards,

Michael

On Jul 6, 1:37 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

It is common in electronics development to have multi-layered circuit
boards.

Sometimes a circuit design change requires accessing inner layers of
the circuit board where a trace is located. A small drill press (like
a Servo) with accurate depth control is used to drill down to the
buried trace.

Since I am planning on buying a drill press for the electronics bench,
I thought I would ask the group what they tend to use to get an idea
as to what to buy.

TMT

On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards, that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

On Jul 7, 9:42 am, msg wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

snip



This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us?

snip
How might a drill press assist... snip

Actually I think that this is a very good question and no one has
really answered with any make and model information for quality
minidrill press tools. If the definition of "repair" includes
"rework", "modify and engineer", "ECO", "FCO", etc. this tool
is _absolutely_ _essential_ in any well-equipped shop. I use
a Sherline MiniMill, but it is not ideal as a drill press since
its Z-axis deflection requires many turns of a handwheel. I also
use the Stahler PCB milling attachments for conventional drill
presses to clear areas on PCB copper for pads and vias and these
tools make very good small drill bit holders as well. The
ubiquitous high-speed hand tool like Dremel is also frequently
used to drill although I don't use the press attachment.

There are a class of precision drill presses that ought to be
mentioned by any one owning one...

Regards,

Michael

I for one Michael would like to hear more about your setup...do you
have a link to pictures?

TMT

In article . com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.

On Jul 8, 10:42 pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article . com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I still say that you have little on hands experience...with
electronics and now I suspect with people.

As I said, specialized drill presses are used for modification of
buried circuit traces in circuit boards...this is a fact.

An educational link for you...

http://www.servoproductsco.com/html/drill_presses.html

As for being a manager, your responses tell me that you likely have a
problem dealing with people. If you are like this at work, I am glad
that I do not work with you...note I did not say work for you.

Thank you for your time....it has been educational.

TMT

In article . com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 8, 10:42 pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article . com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on
circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20
questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I still say that you have little on hands experience...with
electronics and now I suspect with people.

As I said, specialized drill presses are used for modification of
buried circuit traces in circuit boards...this is a fact.

An educational link for you...

http://www.servoproductsco.com/html/drill_presses.html

As for being a manager, your responses tell me that you likely have a
problem dealing with people. If you are like this at work, I am glad
that I do not work with you...note I did not say work for you.

Thank you for your time....it has been educational.

TMT

All right, if you know so god damn much about it, why the **** are you
asking others for advice? But whatever drill press you think you need
for whatever the **** you think you're doing. Next time you ask a
question, try to tell us what the question is about. I don't have time
to be diplomatic with morons.

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article . com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on
circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20
questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.

Ne' mind Smitty. We all still love ya ! For what it's worth, I have been
directly involved, right down at floor level, with electronic REPAIR for
over 37 years now, working on a huge variety of equipment from full-blown
industrial to general domestic, and in all that time, I have never had to go
down to break an internal layer of a board to effect an ECO. That's not to
say that I haven't *seen* it done. I used to work with some computer
graphics equipment that employed, as I recall, 6-layer boards, but it might
even have been 8, now I think back. Some prototypes or early development
versions of boards had occasionally had this done to them at the factory,
but such problems were quickly corrected in the design. If you had to do
enough of them that it involved having to have your own equipment for doing
it at a repair, rather than factory level, I don't think that it says much
for the design of the board, or of the ability of the designers and PCB
manufacturers to rapidly correct any such problems of design, 'on the fly'.
If you are figuring on having to do touchy delicate work like this on a
regular basis, I hope that your clients have deep wallets to be able to pay
you what you will need to charge to make a living at it ...

Arfa

On Jul 4, 10:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

Perhaps I've led a sheltered life with the groups I normally post to
and am thus feeling unjustifiably offended by the unpleasant exchanges
I've been encountering on this one lately. There is never
justification to be either crude or impolite within a technical
group.

In this particular squabble, it seems that the confusion might stem
from the fact that drill presses do not loom large in the arsenal of
electronics repair equipment. There are many levels of electronics
repair, and most of them don't require a drill press.

There are, as has been stated, procedures which require fancy
operations on printed-circuit boards: you'd have to cut out sections
of foil or do weird stuff related to waveguides integrated into
microwave equipment. For that I suppose you'd want some sort of
precision mill-drill, with the servos and maybe a digital read-out.

In the sort of stuff I've done, the usual application for any sort of
power drill is to drill out a stripped screw. I used to use a hand
drill to make an occasional hole for mounting a heat sink or
something, but that was about it.

If you are building or perhaps modifying electronic equipment, that's
another story. For this, you'd need a minimal bench-top machine with
about an eight-inch swing, the sort of thing that Harbor Freight Tools
sells on sale for about fifty bucks. I have one, and it's perfectly
fine.

So calm down, already.

M Kinsler

Too_Many_Tools ) writes:
On Jul 8, 10:42 pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article . com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I still say that you have little on hands experience...with
electronics and now I suspect with people.

As I said, specialized drill presses are used for modification of
buried circuit traces in circuit boards...this is a fact.

Okay, then you're missing the obvious.

This newsgroup, sci.electronics.repair is about the repair of electronic
equipment.

People questioned why you'd need a drillpress for repair. And
you respond with lines that are more about electronics in general.

Nobody is arguing that a drillpress is useful.

They are just questioning where a drillpress comes into use in
the repair (not prototyping, not production changes on existing
equipment) of electronic equipment.

Michael

In article , (Michael Black) wrote:
Too_Many_Tools ) writes:
On Jul 8, 10:42 pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article . com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on
circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20 questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I still say that you have little on hands experience...with
electronics and now I suspect with people.

As I said, specialized drill presses are used for modification of
buried circuit traces in circuit boards...this is a fact.

Okay, then you're missing the obvious.

This newsgroup, sci.electronics.repair is about the repair of electronic
equipment.

People questioned why you'd need a drillpress for repair. And
you respond with lines that are more about electronics in general.

Nobody is arguing that a drillpress is useful.

They are just questioning where a drillpress comes into use in
the repair (not prototyping, not production changes on existing
equipment) of electronic equipment.


I do make more and more use out of Dremmel like tools and bits. Using
a drill press for this would be a handycap.

greg

On Jul 8, 11:43 pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article . com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 8, 10:42 pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article . com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on
circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20
questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I still say that you have little on hands experience...with
electronics and now I suspect with people.

As I said, specialized drill presses are used for modification of
buried circuit traces in circuit boards...this is a fact.

An educational link for you...

http://www.servoproductsco.com/html/drill_presses.html

As for being a manager, your responses tell me that you likely have a
problem dealing with people. If you are like this at work, I am glad
that I do not work with you...note I did not say work for you.

Thank you for your time....it has been educational.

TMT

All right, if you know so god damn much about it, why the **** are you
asking others for advice? But whatever drill press you think you need
for whatever the **** you think you're doing. Next time you ask a
question, try to tell us what the question is about. I don't have time
to be diplomatic with morons.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Some advice.....

Good manners are always appropriate.

A lesson you apparently need to learn.

If you were my report I would require you to receive anger management
and interpersonal therapy. Refusal to attend would result in immediate
dismissal.

With your negative atititude, I seriously doubt that you are a manager
of anything.

TMT

On Jul 9, 3:35 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Smitty Two" wrote in message

news




In article . com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on
circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20
questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.

Ne' mind Smitty. We all still love ya ! For what it's worth, I have been
directly involved, right down at floor level, with electronic REPAIR for
over 37 years now, working on a huge variety of equipment from full-blown
industrial to general domestic, and in all that time, I have never had to go
down to break an internal layer of a board to effect an ECO. That's not to
say that I haven't *seen* it done. I used to work with some computer
graphics equipment that employed, as I recall, 6-layer boards, but it might
even have been 8, now I think back. Some prototypes or early development
versions of boards had occasionally had this done to them at the factory,
but such problems were quickly corrected in the design. If you had to do
enough of them that it involved having to have your own equipment for doing
it at a repair, rather than factory level, I don't think that it says much
for the design of the board, or of the ability of the designers and PCB
manufacturers to rapidly correct any such problems of design, 'on the fly'.
If you are figuring on having to do touchy delicate work like this on a
regular basis, I hope that your clients have deep wallets to be able to pay
you what you will need to charge to make a living at it ...

Arfa- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He doesn't bother me...I have seen (and crushed) much worse.

Life is too short.

Thanks for your comments.

TMT

On Jul 9, 3:35 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Smitty Two" wrote in message

news




In article . com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on
circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20
questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.

Ne' mind Smitty. We all still love ya ! For what it's worth, I have been
directly involved, right down at floor level, with electronic REPAIR for
over 37 years now, working on a huge variety of equipment from full-blown
industrial to general domestic, and in all that time, I have never had to go
down to break an internal layer of a board to effect an ECO. That's not to
say that I haven't *seen* it done. I used to work with some computer
graphics equipment that employed, as I recall, 6-layer boards, but it might
even have been 8, now I think back. Some prototypes or early development
versions of boards had occasionally had this done to them at the factory,
but such problems were quickly corrected in the design. If you had to do
enough of them that it involved having to have your own equipment for doing
it at a repair, rather than factory level, I don't think that it says much
for the design of the board, or of the ability of the designers and PCB
manufacturers to rapidly correct any such problems of design, 'on the fly'.
If you are figuring on having to do touchy delicate work like this on a
regular basis, I hope that your clients have deep wallets to be able to pay
you what you will need to charge to make a living at it ...

Arfa- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think that is why I am asking about what is the norm...I have had to
fix problems on 12 layer boards because of cost and time
constraints...and obviously that is the exception, not the norm.

Perhaps I should ask the more general question...what power tools tend
to lend theirselves to the electronics bench?

I have the typical soldering setups, desoldering station and Foredom/
Dremel tools.

Anything else that you would recommend on my shopping list?

Thanks

TMT

Smitty Two wrote:

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.


The only use that I know of for a drill press in electronics PCB
repair or manufacturing is for an ECO, where you drill out a Via because
of a layout change, or mistake. Otherwise, the floor model drill press
is used to remove rivets. to make sure you remove no other material.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Smitty Two wrote:

All right, if you know so god damn much about it, why the **** are you
asking others for advice? But whatever drill press you think you need
for whatever the **** you think you're doing. Next time you ask a
question, try to tell us what the question is about. I don't have time
to be diplomatic with morons.


He has the same chip on his shoulder on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking
where most people either ignore him, or have him killfiled.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

In article . com,
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 8, 11:43 pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article . com,





Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 8, 10:42 pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article . com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:23 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article .com,

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 4, 9:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
I am considering getting a small drill press for electronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT

So I take it that no one has a Servo drill press to work on
circuit
boards?

TMT

Exactly what (repair?) work would you want to do on circuit
boards,
that
would require such a tool ...?

Arfa

To access circuits within a multilayer circuit board.

TMT

This thread might hold some interest if you'd quit playing 20
questions.
Why not paint a complete picture for us? What, for example, do you
mean
by "access?" To what end? How might a drill press assist in that
endeavor? You've asked for recommendations for a tool, but it's
difficult to offer those recommendations with any validity if you
don't
tell us what the hell you're doing, or plan to do. I'm going to
keep an
open mind, pending some actual information from you, but so far I'm
not
envisioning a drill press as a very useful tool for PCB surgery.-
Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am not playing 20 questions.

Based on your response it sounds like you have little on hands
electronics experience...drill presses are used in electronics
development and repair.

I asked for what others have for a drill press which used for
electronics work.

Thank you for your response.

TMT

Little hands on experience? Well, in repair, that's true. In
electronics
manufacturing, I've got 22 years as production manager of a job shop.
Across the hall is a full machine shop including toolroom lathes and
mills, CNC equipment, machining centers, and turning centers.

I've put together a few million PCBAs, and I'll wager I've personally
hand soldered a few hundred thousand solder joints. I've never run into
any need to use a drill press in PCB work, save maybe making a
rudimentary prototype board, and for that I'd use a CNC mill, anyway.

Since you've been nothing but coy about your reason for inquiring, I'd
call that playing 20 questions. You have YET to tell us WHY you want a
drill press. Saying it's for "development and repair" is completely
meaningless. Cut into a multilayer board with a *drill press* in order
to make ECOs to the circuit? Have fun with that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I still say that you have little on hands experience...with
electronics and now I suspect with people.

As I said, specialized drill presses are used for modification of
buried circuit traces in circuit boards...this is a fact.

An educational link for you...

http://www.servoproductsco.com/html/drill_presses.html

As for being a manager, your responses tell me that you likely have a
problem dealing with people. If you are like this at work, I am glad
that I do not work with you...note I did not say work for you.

Thank you for your time....it has been educational.

TMT

All right, if you know so god damn much about it, why the **** are you
asking others for advice? But whatever drill press you think you need
for whatever the **** you think you're doing. Next time you ask a
question, try to tell us what the question is about. I don't have time
to be diplomatic with morons.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Some advice.....

Good manners are always appropriate.

A lesson you apparently need to learn.

If you were my report I would require you to receive anger management
and interpersonal therapy. Refusal to attend would result in immediate
dismissal.

With your negative atititude, I seriously doubt that you are a manager
of anything.

TMT

You, sir, are a smug, sarcastic, sanctimonious, arrogant jerk. "Thank
you for your time, it has been educational?" is a perfect example.
Perhaps you should heed your own advice, and learn some manners. You
could start by not believing people you don't know to be too dimwitted
to know when you're insulting them. Goodbye.

On Jul 9, 7:40 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:

All right, if you know so god damn much about it, why the **** are you
asking others for advice? But whatever drill press you think you need
for whatever the **** you think you're doing. Next time you ask a
question, try to tell us what the question is about. I don't have time
to be diplomatic with morons.

He has the same chip on his shoulder on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking
where most people either ignore him, or have him killfiled.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida



He has the same chip on his shoulder on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking
where most people either ignore him, or have him killfiled.


LOL...yeah Mike...just like YOU are doing now. *chuckle*

Mike...are you serious thinking that siding with Potty Mouth here will
add to YOUR credibility?

You are only revealing your own twisted political agenda....and when
did you start stalking as a hobby?

I guess you meet all kinds on Usenet.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

On Jul 9, 7:40 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:

All right, if you know so god damn much about it, why the **** are you
asking others for advice? But whatever drill press you think you need
for whatever the **** you think you're doing. Next time you ask a
question, try to tell us what the question is about. I don't have time
to be diplomatic with morons.

He has the same chip on his shoulder on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking
where most people either ignore him, or have him killfiled.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


He has the same chip on his shoulder on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking
where most people either ignore him, or have him killfiled.


LOL...yeah Mike...just like YOU are doing now. *chuckle*

Mike...are you serious thinking that siding with Potty Mouth here will
add to YOUR credibility?


I didn't "Side" with anyone. I merly pointed out that your attitude
was the same on another newsgroup that was very relieved when you were
gone for a while.


You are only revealing your own twisted political agenda....and when
did you start stalking as a hobby?


Stalking? I've been on the newgroup for years. It seems like you're
the one following me around.


I guess you meet all kinds on Usenet.


Luckily, most are NOT like you.


TMF



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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Jul 9, 1:25 pm, m kinsler wrote:
On Jul 4, 10:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am considering getting a small drill press forelectronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT


In this particular squabble, it seems that the confusion might stem
from the fact that drill presses do not loom large in the arsenal ofelectronicsrepair equipment. There are many levels ofelectronics
repair, and most of them don't require a drill press.


Over in rcm, Too Many Tools already said that he had purchased a small
drill press. I think he is just trying to get people to say that what
he bought is useful in electronic repair.

Dan

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 9, 1:25 pm, m kinsler wrote:
On Jul 4, 10:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am considering getting a small drill press forelectronics
repair...what suggestions does the group have?

Thanks

TMT


In this particular squabble, it seems that the confusion might stem
from the fact that drill presses do not loom large in the arsenal
ofelectronicsrepair equipment. There are many levels ofelectronics
repair, and most of them don't require a drill press.


Over in rcm, Too Many Tools already said that he had purchased a small
drill press. I think he is just trying to get people to say that what
he bought is useful in electronic repair.

Dan


Maybe(?) he is into "PC" fabrication! A drill press could/would certainly be
handy for that. OR if he is into reworking metal for repairing an item or
maybe making cases/cabinets/enclosures for electronics equipment. But for
repairs, I doubt it. I "hope" he's not using one with a screwdriver tip or a
socket tip for removing or replacing hardware! For doing PC boards, I have a
dremel with a small stand which works well and is not bulky/heavy or
cumbersome to use - for my "occasional" PC board making.

Just my guess and 2 cents.

L.