What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

"Meat Plow" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:14:01 -0400, yo wrote:

What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

What's better an apple or an orange?


Orange

"yo" wrote in message
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What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

Numbers 1 and 3 produce a conflict (one can't have both). The best
performance units are at that point on the curve called "diminishing
returns."

You should decide based on your applications and budget.

yo wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

Well, comparing a pc or mac to an OS or an internet browser is not
possible at all. It's like comparing a voltage with a current.

BTW this is off-topic here.

"yo" wrote in message
...

What's better an apple or an orange?


Orange


I can tell you my wife's Intel Macbook is about 1 year old, has been
replaced once, repaired twice and STILL isn't right.

POS, IMHO.

Dan

"Jeroni Paul" wrote in message
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yo wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

Well, comparing a pc or mac to an OS or an internet browser is not
possible at all. It's like comparing a voltage with a current.

BTW this is off-topic here.


I wasn't comparing a pc or mac to an os or a browser. I was comparing a pc
to a mac, an os to an os, and a browser to a browser.

Btw, this is not off topic since computers and electronics are related.

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What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance





It just has to do what I want it to as fast as I want it to for what I am
willing to pay to accomplish the first two. Admittedly subjective
criteria, but what it comes down to. It may be that only the
latest/fastest gee whiz laptop will do and no price is too high for you...

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yo wrote:

"Jeroni Paul" wrote in message
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yo wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

Well, comparing a pc or mac to an OS or an internet browser is not
possible at all. It's like comparing a voltage with a current.

BTW this is off-topic here.


I wasn't comparing a pc or mac to an os or a browser. I was comparing a pc
to a mac, an os to an os, and a browser to a browser.

Btw, this is not off topic since computers and electronics are related.


It isn't repair related, and there are more appropriate groups to ask
about NEW stuff. If you wanted to know about lowest failures, or ease
of repair you would be in the right group.

I don't really care, but I don't personally know ANYONE with a new
laptop. Hell, I just started using XP about a year ago, and was given a
bad Dell XP laptop a few days ago to replace the Win 98 laptop that I've
had for a few years. Do you go to a used car lot to look for a new car?


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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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yo wrote:

"Jeroni Paul" wrote in message
ups.com...
yo wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

Well, comparing a pc or mac to an OS or an internet browser is not
possible at all. It's like comparing a voltage with a current.

BTW this is off-topic here.


I wasn't comparing a pc or mac to an os or a browser. I was comparing a
pc
to a mac, an os to an os, and a browser to a browser.

Btw, this is not off topic since computers and electronics are related.


It isn't repair related, and there are more appropriate groups to ask
about NEW stuff. If you wanted to know about lowest failures, or ease
of repair you would be in the right group.


In that case what is the best repairable laptop (used)?

yo wrote:

In that case what is the best repairable laptop (used)?


Look on Ebay and find models that you can buy several of, cheap. The
best choice changes fairly often. Find one with a busted screen, and
another that's dead, of the same model and if you are careful you can
build a working laptop with a usable battery and charger for little
money. Last week there were over a dozen Dell Inspiron of the same
model that went cheap. 1.8 Ghz CPU, 256 MB RAm and a 15.1 inch screen
with XP. Even with shipping I could have bought enough parts to build a
working laptop for about 4125.00 US.

You have to decide how much computer you need, and your skill level
in repairing computers. they don't bother me, I started repairing Vic
20 and Commodore 64 computers 20 some years ago.


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In article , "yo" wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

I was wondering what the best car is?

greg

GregS wrote:

In article , "yo" wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

I was wondering what the best car is?


One that runs well enough, and you can pay for in cash.


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"GregS" wrote in message
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In article , "yo"
wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

I was wondering what the best car is?

greg
Yes and while we're at it, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for the
tastiest dish? Best color? Best movie? Best style of architecture?

"yo" wrote in message
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Btw, this is not off topic since computers and electronics are related.

I agree, but not for the same reason.

When one seeks quality, to avoid repair (a prudent activity), one should be
welcome here. Flame away!

"Dan" wrote in message
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"yo" wrote in message
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What's better an apple or an orange?


Orange


I can tell you my wife's Intel Macbook is about 1 year old, has been
replaced once, repaired twice and STILL isn't right.

POS, IMHO.

Dan


What's wrong with it? The MacBook is the first Apple computer I've
considered purchasing in a LONG time. The one-button trackpad has held me
away though. From what I've heard, I got the impression they were pretty
solid machines.

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In article , "yo"

wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

I was wondering what the best car is?

greg
Yes and while we're at it, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for
the
tastiest dish? Best color? Best movie? Best style of architecture?



While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise anyone?

yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise anyone?


Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.


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Central Florida

Hi!

What's wrong with it?

I've been pretty happy with mine. First, the bad:

1. The onboard Ethernet port broke away from the logic board. I don't know
how it happened...I hardly ever use it.
2. A key came off the keyboard.
3. The hard drive was making an occasional "clicking" sound during certain
disk reads, like it was starting to have functional problems.

and while not related to the MacBook, I found Apple's technical support to
be from mildly irritating to truly bad when trying to get a new set of
replacement software restoration disks for my Mac mini.

The good:

1. The independent semi-local Apple dealer that I bought it from has given
me first rate service. All the repairs above--including the hard drive,
which still worked but made funny noises--were completed quickly and without
question under the Apple warranty. I wouldn't bother purchasing from
Apple--find a Macintosh dealer you trust and get it there.
2. I set my MacBook on top of a set of soft lunch boxes in the kitchen. A
few minutes later it fell five feet to the floor and landed screen first. It
was closed at the time. It shrugged this off with no problems. (The hard
drive had already been replaced at this point.) I heard the crash and feared
the worst. Nothing has ever come of it.
3. I made a serious mistake and left it on top of my truck cab overnight.
Yes, my truck sits outdoors. Thankfully (!!) crime and theft are nearly
nonexistant in this area. It was still there in the morning, but the weather
had turned to rain with the computer in standby on a fully charged battery.
Simply put "not good"...especially after I found it was no longer in standby
and water poured out of it.

Amazingly enough, it seemed to suffer no lasting damage from the rainwater.
I set it front of a fan for a several hours with the battery out and
memory/HD doors open. Then I rode around with it on the dash of my truck in
the sun. Once dry, it came right up and has continued to work just fine.

As for the Mac mini, I let the Apple dealer burn me a set of replacement
disks. No hassle, no fuss and no charge. Apple eventually did come through,
though.

The one-button trackpad has held me away though.

Enable tapping on the pad to click and do it with two fingers. Instant
right-click. Works great. Or if you want to push the button, use the control
key at the same time for the right click. You can also scroll with two
fingers if you turn the setting on to do that. I love that idea!

So there you go...the good and bad of my MacBook, at least so far.

William

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?


Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.


--

No you go to google groups and look it up for me. I'll wait here at
sci.electronics.repair for the results.

yo wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?


Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.


--

No you go to google groups and look it up for me. I'll wait here at
sci.electronics.repair for the results.


Ok, hold your breath. I'll get right on it when I decide you are
worth the time. Don't forget to hold your breath.


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prove it.
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Central Florida

On Jun 2, 1:52 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise anyone?

Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.

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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


There's only one problem. Google won't be around for another 25 years.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
yo wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the
best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies
to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?


Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.


--

No you go to google groups and look it up for me. I'll wait here at
sci.electronics.repair for the results.


Ok, hold your breath. I'll get right on it when I decide you are
worth the time. Don't forget to hold your breath.


--


Why don't you shut the **** up Terrell you annoying retard?

"Malissa Baldwin" wrote in message
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On Jun 2, 1:52 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the
best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies
to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?

Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.

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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


There's only one problem. Google won't be around for another 25 years.


Terrell the retard has plenty of time on his time.

On 6/3/07 8:38 AM, in article ,
"julie" wrote:


"Malissa Baldwin" wrote in message
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On Jun 2, 1:52 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the
best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies
to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?

Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


There's only one problem. Google won't be around for another 25 years.


Terrell the retard has plenty of time on his time.


Julie(?)

You are showing signs of being dorkmatter. Is that you, dummy?

"Don Bowey" wrote in message
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On 6/3/07 8:38 AM, in article ,
"julie" wrote:


"Malissa Baldwin" wrote in message
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On Jun 2, 1:52 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the
best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies
to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?

Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


There's only one problem. Google won't be around for another 25 years.


Terrell the retard has plenty of time on his time.


Julie(?)

You are showing signs of being dorkmatter. Is that you, dummy?


There's Don Bowey the village idiot at it again.

julie wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
yo wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the
best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies
to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?


Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.


--

No you go to google groups and look it up for me. I'll wait here at
sci.electronics.repair for the results.


Ok, hold your breath. I'll get right on it when I decide you are
worth the time. Don't forget to hold your breath.


--

Why don't you shut the **** up Terrell you annoying retard?


Why can't you control yourself, Yo? Just changing your screen name
doesn't hide who you are.


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julie wrote:

Terrell the retard has plenty of time on his time.


Sigh. And you call others retarded?

Plonk, again.


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Don Bowey wrote:

You are showing signs of being dorkmatter. Is that you, dummy?


No, its just some yo-yo in Canada.


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On 6/3/07 9:16 AM, in article , "Michael A.
Terrell" wrote:

Don Bowey wrote:

You are showing signs of being dorkmatter. Is that you, dummy?


No, its just some yo-yo in Canada.


Hmmmmm....... I hate to think there are two people with the same modus
operandi

On 6/3/07 9:13 AM, in article ,
"Bill Hamel" wrote:


"Don Bowey" wrote in message
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On 6/3/07 8:38 AM, in article ,
"julie" wrote:


"Malissa Baldwin" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 2, 1:52 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the
best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies
to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?

Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


There's only one problem. Google won't be around for another 25 years.


Terrell the retard has plenty of time on his time.


Julie(?)

You are showing signs of being dorkmatter. Is that you, dummy?


There's Don Bowey the village idiot at it again.



You are Julie's girl-toy, right?

Don Bowey wrote:

On 6/3/07 9:13 AM, in article ,
"Bill Hamel" wrote:


"Don Bowey" wrote in message
...
On 6/3/07 8:38 AM, in article ,
"julie" wrote:


"Malissa Baldwin" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 2, 1:52 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
yo wrote:

While we're at it I'd like to ask what is the best repair job, the
best
repairable activity, the best repairable relationship, and the best
repairable event, and finally the best repairable poster who replies
to
people who post questions which start with "The Best..." Any advise
anyone?

Go to Google groups and look it it up for yourself.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


There's only one problem. Google won't be around for another 25 years.


Terrell the retard has plenty of time on his time.


Julie(?)

You are showing signs of being dorkmatter. Is that you, dummy?


There's Don Bowey the village idiot at it again.



You are Julie's girl-toy, right?


Alter egos.


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On 31 May, 20:14, "yo" wrote:
What is in your opinion today's top laptop with the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Best value
2.Best stability and reliability
3.Best performance

I would never buy a laptop for performance !
For the price of the laptop you could have bought a top performing
desktop and a very long power lead LOL

I found this discussion board because I am trying to find a good
laptop to buy this summer before school starts. This discussion
hasn't helped me much at all, but I haven't seen any other group that
would be able to tell me anything either. What brand would be the
best to buy a good laptop for somewhere around $1000? (Maybe more,
maybe less.) I will be using it for college and just for basic
things, but I don't want to get less of a computer just because I
won't be running highly complicated programs. I might run complicated
programs, for all I know. Mac, Dell, Sony, etc.? Anybody have any
suggestions?

On Jun 3, 5:01 pm, Marra wrote:
On 31 May, 20:14, "yo" wrote:

What is in your opinion today's toplaptopwith the following three
criteria, all other things being equal (with the following
choicesc,mac,windows,os x,linux,ie,firefix,opera):
1.Bestvalue
2.Beststability and reliability
3.Bestperformance

I would never buy alaptopfor performance !
For the price of thelaptopyou could have bought a top performing
desktop and a very long power lead LOL

In article .com,
wrote:

I found this discussion board because I am trying to find a good
laptop to buy this summer before school starts. This discussion
hasn't helped me much at all, but I haven't seen any other group that
would be able to tell me anything either. What brand would be the
best to buy a good laptop for somewhere around $1000? (Maybe more,
maybe less.) I will be using it for college and just for basic
things, but I don't want to get less of a computer just because I
won't be running highly complicated programs. I might run complicated
programs, for

Depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to learn a lot about
how to maintain a computer and keep it running, any Windows PC will do.
If you want to use the computer to help you get your work done, get a
Mac. Or a Linux box, but the Mac has a nicer interface.

Isaac

Depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to learn a lot about
how to maintain a computer and keep it running, any Windows PC will do.
If you want to use the computer to help you get your work done, get a
Mac. Or a Linux box, but the Mac has a nicer interface.

Isaac

I notice that a lot of programs to install will say, "Windows 2000/XP
or higher." I've never paid attention to much else. Will I be able
to install the same programs on a Mac that I have been able to use on
Windows?

Depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to learn a lot about
how to maintain a computer and keep it running, any Windows PC will do.
If you want to use the computer to help you get your work done, get a
Mac. Or a Linux box, but the Mac has a nicer interface.



I notice that a lot of programs to install will say, "Windows 2000/XP
or higher." I've never paid attention to much else. Will I be able
to install the same programs on a Mac that I have been able to use on
Windows?

On 1 jun, 00:32, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
I started repairing Vic
20 and Commodore 64 computers 20 some years ago.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

going off topic for a moment here, . I'm surprised tro hear that from
someone in Florida! I thought those Commodore systems were only
really heard of here in Europe.

I still have my amiga ;-)

-b.

b wrote:

On 1 jun, 00:32, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
I started repairing Vic
20 and Commodore 64 computers 20 some years ago.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

going off topic for a moment here, . I'm surprised tro hear that from
someone in Florida! I thought those Commodore systems were only
really heard of here in Europe.

I still have my amiga ;-)

-b.


You have it backwards. Commodore was an American company, who also
sold overseas models. I THINK I still have an Amiga 500. I have
several each of the C128D, C128, SX64 as well as piles of C64 and VIC 20
hardware.


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