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UK / USA Tool Terminology Translator
I can never find a translation file for converting commonly used terms for
tools and equipment in the UK for the equivalent term used in the USA , or vice versa, often involves trade names. This is my start - please reply adding others or any possible errors UK term : USA term Allen Key : Hex key Avo (meter) , [old analogue multimeter ] : ? earth [voltage reference] : ground enameled copper wire : magnet wire Gilbows : tinsnips Hellerman pliers ,(triple prong sleeving expanders) : ? mains (power) [electricity supply company power feed ] : line (power) Mole grips : lock jaw pliers, vice grips plug in power supply : wall wart spanner : wrench scope (oscilloscope) : o'scope screwdriver : driver ? Stilsons : pipewrench thou (measurement, 1/1000 of an inch) : mil -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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"N Cook" wrote in message
... I can never find a translation file for converting commonly used terms for tools and equipment in the UK for the equivalent term used in the USA , or vice versa, often involves trade names. This is my start - please reply adding others or any possible errors UK term : USA term Allen Key : Hex key Avo (meter) , [old analogue multimeter ] : ? earth [voltage reference] : ground enameled copper wire : magnet wire Gilbows : tinsnips Hellerman pliers ,(triple prong sleeving expanders) : ? mains (power) [electricity supply company power feed ] : line (power) Mole grips : lock jaw pliers, vice grips plug in power supply : wall wart spanner : wrench scope (oscilloscope) : o'scope screwdriver : driver ? Stilsons : pipewrench thou (measurement, 1/1000 of an inch) : mil -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ a few more UK : USA answerphone : answering machine billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) (the) box, telly : television (set) flex : electric cord imperial (measurements ) : inches,feet,yards,miles metric (measurements) : European power point : electric socket Stanley knife : box cutter ? thousand million : billion ( the USA usage has taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) valve : tube Vero board : matrix board video : vcr (machine) white goods : appliances wireless : radio I forget now whether RCA connectors translate to phono or coax connectors here. And going the other way, Do Harwin,QM,SMA,BNC,PL259, "N" , "F" connectors etc make any sense in USA ? While at it is there any concensus with connector parts and male and female / plug and socket. Does the gender refer to the electrical pin connection parts or the outer housing parts when they are not the same gender for each piece? |
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What about the Knockometer ..
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never heard of it but i assume what we call an engineer's persuader for
percussive maintenance, usefully they come in a range of sizes -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ "kip" wrote in message .. . What about the Knockometer .. |
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You are correct...
kip "N Cook" wrote in message ... never heard of it but i assume what we call an engineer's persuader for percussive maintenance, usefully they come in a range of sizes -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ "kip" wrote in message .. . What about the Knockometer .. |
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N Cook wrote:
UK : USA billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) What? I'm from the USA and I've always thought of a billion as 1000 million. I've only vaguely heard of 1 billion being 1 million million. I don't know anyone who thinks billion is anything but 1000 million personally. --buddy |
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how about
Weapons of mass destruction = Oil we wish to take control of -- Marcus I like people, they are bio-degradable !. |
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Buddy:
You are correct.... math is math any where in the universe...... and a Billion = 1,000,000,000 which is exactly the equivalent to 1000 million or 1000 x 1,000,000 ......it can not be anything else and be correct. - - - - - - - - - - - "Buddy Smith" wrote in message ... N Cook wrote: UK : USA billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) What? I'm from the USA and I've always thought of a billion as 1000 million. I've only vaguely heard of 1 billion being 1 million million. I don't know anyone who thinks billion is anything but 1000 million personally. --buddy |
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"Buddy Smith" wrote in message
... N Cook wrote: UK : USA billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) What? I'm from the USA and I've always thought of a billion as 1000 million. I've only vaguely heard of 1 billion being 1 million million. I don't know anyone who thinks billion is anything but 1000 million personally. --buddy Up to perhaps about 10 or 20 years ago most people in the UK would have said billion = million million |
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Its 1000 million = 1billion..
yikes e do "Buddy Smith" wrote in message ... N Cook wrote: UK : USA billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) What? I'm from the USA and I've always thought of a billion as 1000 million. I've only vaguely heard of 1 billion being 1 million million. I don't know anyone who thinks billion is anything but 1000 million personally. --buddy |
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Then they would have said wrong ... Out of curiosity, in your opinion was
this out of a different definition for the word "billion" or were they just ignorant? Bob "N Cook" wrote in message ... Up to perhaps about 10 or 20 years ago most people in the UK would have said billion = million million |
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What does it list for "trillion" ?
"N Cook" wrote in message ... I've ust looked in a UK dictionary published in 1960 billion = million million except USA and France where billion = 1000 million |
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"sofie" wrote in message ... Buddy: You are correct.... math is math any where in the universe...... and a Billion = 1,000,000,000 which is exactly the equivalent to 1000 million or 1000 x 1,000,000 .....it can not be anything else and be correct. - - - - - - - - - - - "Buddy Smith" wrote in message ... N Cook wrote: UK : USA billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) What? I'm from the USA and I've always thought of a billion as 1000 million. I've only vaguely heard of 1 billion being 1 million million. I don't know anyone who thinks billion is anything but 1000 million personally. --buddy I've ust looked in a UK dictionary published in 1960 billion = million million except USA and France where billion = 1000 million |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:18:48 -0500, "kip" put
finger to keyboard and composed: What about the Knockometer .. Knockometer = hammer = American screwdriver -- Franc Zabkar Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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"Bob Shuman" wrote in message
... What does it list for "trillion" ? "N Cook" wrote in message ... I've ust looked in a UK dictionary published in 1960 billion = million million except USA and France where billion = 1000 million trillion = million million million except France where it means million million , no mention of USA. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:22:51 -0000, "N Cook" wrote: "Bob Shuman" wrote in message ... What does it list for "trillion" ? "N Cook" wrote in message ... I've ust looked in a UK dictionary published in 1960 billion = million million except USA and France where billion = 1000 million trillion = million million million except France where it means million million , no mention of USA. There are two systems of naming large numbers ( sometimes called long scale and short scale ) both of which originated in France and are still in use today. They are described at this site: http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/large.html As mentioned on this page the UK officially switched from billion = million million to billion = thousand million in the mid 1970s. Mike Capel capel AT mts DOT net |
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Thanks. Now I can understand why billion was a million million. The prefix
(bi) meant million **2 (squared0 while tri meant million **3 (cubed). Interestingly, the number 1,000,000,000 was called "a thousand million or milliard" according to the site provided in the former English system. Bob "ianto" wrote in message ... "N Cook" wrote in message ... trillion = million million million except France where it means million million , no mention of USA. There are two systems of naming large numbers ( sometimes called long scale and short scale ) both of which originated in France and are still in use today. They are described at this site: http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/large.html As mentioned on this page the UK officially switched from billion = million million to billion = thousand million in the mid 1970s. Mike Capel capel AT mts DOT net |
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N Cook wrote:
"Buddy Smith" wrote in message ... N Cook wrote: UK : USA billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) What? I'm from the USA and I've always thought of a billion as 1000 snip I realized that I misread his post, which is why I cancelled mine. He was saying that 1 billion in the UK is (or at least used to be) 1 million million, which is correct. --buddy |
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"N Cook" wrote in message ... I can never find a translation file for converting commonly used terms for tools and equipment in the UK for the equivalent term used in the USA , or vice versa, often involves trade names. This is my start - please reply adding others or any possible errors UK term : USA term Allen Key : Hex key Avo (meter) , [old analogue multimeter ] : ? earth [voltage reference] : ground enameled copper wire : magnet wire Gilbows : tinsnips Hellerman pliers ,(triple prong sleeving expanders) : ? mains (power) [electricity supply company power feed ] : line (power) Mole grips : lock jaw pliers, vice grips plug in power supply : wall wart spanner : wrench scope (oscilloscope) : o'scope screwdriver : driver ? Stilsons : pipewrench thou (measurement, 1/1000 of an inch) : mil allen key: we use both allen wrench and hex key avo: if it's a tube type, here it's a VTVM (vacuum tube voltmeter; usually line-powered) or a VOM (volt-ohmmeter; usually battery-powered) earth: we use that term as well as ground Hellerman: groove joint; slip-lock (I think that's what u had in mind?) mains: we use both mains and line plug-in power supply: we also call it an ac adapter scope: we use all 3; or if we're feeling particularly elitist, a 'waveform analyzer' screwdriver: same (to distinguish from other drivers, such as nutdrivers) |
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"N Cook" wrote in message ... a few more UK : USA answerphone : answering machine billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) (the) box, telly : television (set) flex : electric cord imperial (measurements ) : inches,feet,yards,miles metric (measurements) : European power point : electric socket Stanley knife : box cutter ? thousand million : billion ( the USA usage has taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) valve : tube Vero board : matrix board video : vcr (machine) white goods : appliances wireless : radio billion: a million million is a trillion, period.. or it should be anyway. Check this out: http://www.jimloy.com/math/billion.htm flex: here, someone might mistake it to mean an elastic band or a bungee cord valve: we use that term here as well, particularly if you're talking to tube amp lovers wireless: careful, as lots of Americans call their cellphones 'wireless' I forget now whether RCA connectors translate to phono or coax connectors here. RCA = phono; coax = F, UHF, BNC, etc.. And going the other way, Do Harwin,QM,SMA,BNC,PL259, "N" , "F" connectors etc make any sense in USA ? QM: IDC or mini-IDC SMA: 50-ohm MIL-C; AMP (Amphenol) C; ILS SMA BNC: same PL259: UHF N: RF (RG-8, RG-58, RG-141, RG-225) F: most Americans will know you mean TV cable coax While at it is there any concensus with connector parts and male and female / plug and socket. Does the gender refer to the electrical pin connection parts or the outer housing parts when they are not the same gender for each piece? Pretty much a consensus. For obvious reasons, Male = plug and Female = socket (usually called 'jack' in USA). Good luck with your lexicon, Ray |
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"N Cook" wrote in message ... I can never find a translation file for converting commonly used terms for tools and equipment in the UK for the equivalent term used in the USA, or vice versa, often involves trade names. This is my start - please reply adding others or any possible errors Any old fuse... in Britain is that still named ... a mains monitor? |
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N: RF (RG-8, RG-58, RG-141, RG-225)
What??? In the USA a N connector is called an N connector.. RG-8, RG-58, RG-141, RG-225 These are all cable sizes not connectors. Mike in Florida "Ray L. Volts" wrote in message news:s%7df.875$w85.101@trnddc02... "N Cook" wrote in message ... a few more UK : USA answerphone : answering machine billion : million million ( the USA usage has now taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) (the) box, telly : television (set) flex : electric cord imperial (measurements ) : inches,feet,yards,miles metric (measurements) : European power point : electric socket Stanley knife : box cutter ? thousand million : billion ( the USA usage has taken over generally in the uk of 1 billion = 1000 million) valve : tube Vero board : matrix board video : vcr (machine) white goods : appliances wireless : radio billion: a million million is a trillion, period.. or it should be anyway. Check this out: http://www.jimloy.com/math/billion.htm flex: here, someone might mistake it to mean an elastic band or a bungee cord valve: we use that term here as well, particularly if you're talking to tube amp lovers wireless: careful, as lots of Americans call their cellphones 'wireless' I forget now whether RCA connectors translate to phono or coax connectors here. RCA = phono; coax = F, UHF, BNC, etc.. And going the other way, Do Harwin,QM,SMA,BNC,PL259, "N" , "F" connectors etc make any sense in USA ? QM: IDC or mini-IDC SMA: 50-ohm MIL-C; AMP (Amphenol) C; ILS SMA BNC: same PL259: UHF N: RF (RG-8, RG-58, RG-141, RG-225) F: most Americans will know you mean TV cable coax While at it is there any concensus with connector parts and male and female / plug and socket. Does the gender refer to the electrical pin connection parts or the outer housing parts when they are not the same gender for each piece? Pretty much a consensus. For obvious reasons, Male = plug and Female = socket (usually called 'jack' in USA). Good luck with your lexicon, Ray |
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plug in power supply : wall wart (not so common) Adapter or transformer is
what I usually hear. never heard the term wall wart before I found this forum : ) I guess it is a northern US term since I live in Floirda. "N Cook" wrote in message ... I can never find a translation file for converting commonly used terms for tools and equipment in the UK for the equivalent term used in the USA , or vice versa, often involves trade names. This is my start - please reply adding others or any possible errors UK term : USA term Allen Key : Hex key Avo (meter) , [old analogue multimeter ] : ? earth [voltage reference] : ground enameled copper wire : magnet wire Gilbows : tinsnips Hellerman pliers ,(triple prong sleeving expanders) : ? mains (power) [electricity supply company power feed ] : line (power) Mole grips : lock jaw pliers, vice grips plug in power supply : wall wart spanner : wrench scope (oscilloscope) : o'scope screwdriver : driver ? Stilsons : pipewrench thou (measurement, 1/1000 of an inch) : mil -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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"Michael Kennedy" wrote in message ... N: RF (RG-8, RG-58, RG-141, RG-225) What??? In the USA a N connector is called an N connector.. RG-8, RG-58, RG-141, RG-225 These are all cable sizes not connectors. Mike in Florida er, yes... it was meant to convey what the N connector is generally used on, and hence how Americans would readily identify it... |
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okay.
"Ray L. Volts" wrote in message news:5V9df.820$%t4.259@trnddc07... "Michael Kennedy" wrote in message ... N: RF (RG-8, RG-58, RG-141, RG-225) What??? In the USA a N connector is called an N connector.. RG-8, RG-58, RG-141, RG-225 These are all cable sizes not connectors. Mike in Florida er, yes... it was meant to convey what the N connector is generally used on, and hence how Americans would readily identify it... |
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"Ray L. Volts" wrote in message
news:s%7df.875$w85.101@trnddc02... While at it is there any concensus with connector parts and male and female / plug and socket. Does the gender refer to the electrical pin connection parts or the outer housing parts when they are not the same gender for each piece? Pretty much a consensus. For obvious reasons, Male = plug and Female = socket (usually called 'jack' in USA). If the housing is male but the electical connection is female and the mating housing is female and corresponding electrical part is male which part would be refered to as male and which female. Do I hear you correctly that in USA the receiving female part is called a Jack ? In the UK jack is quite definitely male as more generally "in to jack off" and "one-eyed jacks" etc |
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revised list
UK term : USA term Allen Key : hex key , hex wrench answerphone : answering machine Avo (meter) , [old analogue multimeter ] : VTVM (vacuum tube voltmeter; usually line-powered) or a VOM (volt-ohmmeter; usually battery-powered) banana plugs : ? billion (before year 1974 ) : million million (the) box, telly : television (set) choc block connectors : ? earth [voltage reference] : ground elastic band, bungee cord : flex enameled copper wire : magnet wire engineer's persuader for percussive maintenance : knockometer flex : electric cord Gilbows : tinsnips Harwin connectors : ? Hellerman pliers ,(triple prong sleeving expanders) : ? imperial (measurements ) : inches,feet,yards,miles mains (power) [electricity supply company power feed ] : line (power) maths (mathematics ) : math metric (measurements) : European Mole grips : lock jaw pliers, vice grips plug in power supply : wall wart power point : electric socket QM connectors : ? phono connectors : RCA connectors spanner : wrench scope (oscilloscope) : o'scope , waveform analyser Stanley knife : box cutter Stilsons : pipewrench thou : mil (measurement) trillion (before 1974 ? ) : million million million valve : tube Vero board : matrix board video : vcr (machine) white goods : appliances wireless : radio A few synonyms of sort Low Copper, High Oxygen Content Connection = High Impedence Air Gap = unplugged |
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"Do Little2" wrote in message
... "N Cook" wrote in message ... I can never find a translation file for converting commonly used terms for tools and equipment in the UK for the equivalent term used in the USA, or vice versa, often involves trade names. This is my start - please reply adding others or any possible errors Any old fuse... in Britain is that still named ... a mains monitor? i've never heard of that one |
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IHVT (Flyback Transformer) =
"N Cook" wrote in message ... revised list UK term : USA term Allen Key : hex key , hex wrench answerphone : answering machine Avo (meter) , [old analogue multimeter ] : VTVM (vacuum tube voltmeter; usually line-powered) or a VOM (volt-ohmmeter; usually battery-powered) banana plugs : ? billion (before year 1974 ) : million million (the) box, telly : television (set) choc block connectors : ? earth [voltage reference] : ground elastic band, bungee cord : flex enameled copper wire : magnet wire engineer's persuader for percussive maintenance : knockometer flex : electric cord Gilbows : tinsnips Harwin connectors : ? Hellerman pliers ,(triple prong sleeving expanders) : ? imperial (measurements ) : inches,feet,yards,miles mains (power) [electricity supply company power feed ] : line (power) maths (mathematics ) : math metric (measurements) : European Mole grips : lock jaw pliers, vice grips plug in power supply : wall wart power point : electric socket QM connectors : ? phono connectors : RCA connectors spanner : wrench scope (oscilloscope) : o'scope , waveform analyser Stanley knife : box cutter Stilsons : pipewrench thou : mil (measurement) trillion (before 1974 ? ) : million million million valve : tube Vero board : matrix board video : vcr (machine) white goods : appliances wireless : radio A few synonyms of sort Low Copper, High Oxygen Content Connection = High Impedence Air Gap = unplugged |
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"kip" wrote in message .. . IHVT (Flyback Transformer) = do you mean LOPT ? |
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yes
"N Cook" wrote in message ... "kip" wrote in message .. . IHVT (Flyback Transformer) = do you mean LOPT ? |
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"kip" wrote in message
.. . yes "N Cook" wrote in message ... "kip" wrote in message .. . IHVT (Flyback Transformer) = do you mean LOPT ? LOPT = Line Output Transformer pronounced comfortably as Lop-tee |
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I'm thinking of the Bulgin power connectors used on valve/tube amps where
the chassis housing is female but has 3 pins mating with 3 sockets in a male housing on the line cord - is the line cord connector called a plug or a socket ? |
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Once this is in a semi-final form, I'd like to add it to the S.E.R. FAQ (with
your permission). Thanks. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. |
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Marcus wrote:
how about Weapons of mass destruction = Oil we wish to take control of How about hang it in your arse? |
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"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message
... Once this is in a semi-final form, I'd like to add it to the S.E.R. FAQ (with your permission). Thanks. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. No copyright so open to anyone. Should be on http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk/tool_terms.htm from tomorrow. Oddly, that dial up hosting site freeserve / fsnet does not seem to have any bandwidth constraints , re SER FAQ bandwidth problems -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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Agree.. It is terrible we were lied to like that and even more so that we
re-elected bush. I feel his re-election was more because we were scared of what might happen if bush wern't in office.. I like bush for having some morals, but he lacks some judgement. Or maybe he is just a big liar? Maybe not? I can not judge the man. I don't know him. Either way we are screwed. We should have left those people alone a long time ago. america world police. we think we have to fix everything. Oh well doesn't matter. cant do anything about it now. "Marcus" wrote in message ... how about Weapons of mass destruction = Oil we wish to take control of -- Marcus I like people, they are bio-degradable !. |
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Go Away
"Michael Kennedy" wrote in message news Agree.. It is terrible we were lied to like that and even more so that we re-elected bush. I feel his re-election was more because we were scared of what might happen if bush wern't in office.. I like bush for having some morals, but he lacks some judgement. Or maybe he is just a big liar? Maybe not? I can not judge the man. I don't know him. Either way we are screwed. We should have left those people alone a long time ago. america world police. we think we have to fix everything. Oh well doesn't matter. cant do anything about it now. "Marcus" wrote in message ... how about Weapons of mass destruction = Oil we wish to take control of -- Marcus I like people, they are bio-degradable !. |
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plug in power supply : wall wart : adapter : transformer
Couldn't LOPT be Line Output Transistor also? I thought they were just called a Flyback. "N Cook" wrote in message ... "kip" wrote in message .. . IHVT (Flyback Transformer) = do you mean LOPT ? |
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Sry.. Somebody else brought it up..
I'll shut up "kip" wrote in message .. . Go Away "Michael Kennedy" wrote in message news Agree.. It is terrible we were lied to like that and even more so that we re-elected bush. I feel his re-election was more because we were scared of what might happen if bush wern't in office.. I like bush for having some morals, but he lacks some judgement. Or maybe he is just a big liar? Maybe not? I can not judge the man. I don't know him. Either way we are screwed. We should have left those people alone a long time ago. america world police. we think we have to fix everything. Oh well doesn't matter. cant do anything about it now. "Marcus" wrote in message ... how about Weapons of mass destruction = Oil we wish to take control of -- Marcus I like people, they are bio-degradable !. |
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