Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.

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Harry Collingwood wrote:
Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.

It should be marked in Ah - amp hours. Usually measured at the 20 hour
rate.
So a 40 Ah battery should last 20 hours with a 2 amp load.

BTW, if you load the battery and it's only reading 12 volts, it's not
fully charged.

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"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.

Go on the battery's web site and read the specs for that size battery.
If all the cells are working it should be similar.

"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts
but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.

By "leisure" I presume you mean a lead-acid deep discharge type, not a
car
battery! Example: marine or traction types; these have a different
internal construction.
Anyway, none of all them hold amps (a flow measure); they hold "amps
x hours", a measure of energy stored, a quantity measure.
But all "amp x hours" are not equal! At a large discharge rate the
product of amperes x hours is smaller than that at a lower current.
The rating for "amp hours" at a given current may be on the battery
case. If not, and if you know the make and model number, you might be
able to look it up. But this capacity drops with age and usage so it
may not be very useful except when replacing the battery. It is
possible to set up an experiment to measure the capacity, i.e. fully
charge the battery, discharge as a known rate and measure the time
until the voltage drops below 12 volts, but you may find that time
consuming.
BTW, after charging, voltage should be about 12.6 volts (not 12
volts.) During charging it should read between about 13.6 and 14.5
volts depending on the charging rate.
There's more to lead acid batteries than this, I suggest you google
"lead-acid battery" and see what you find. Here's a good start:
http://www.batterystuff.com/tutorial_battery.html
Cheers,
Roger

On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:39:31 GMT, (Harry
Collingwood) wrote:

Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.
thanks to all for the replies. I'll check it all out and see if I can
figure it out.I have a Halfords charger that I use when charging my
caravan battery[110Amps] and when it is charged the light goes green
and is is switched off.These two batteries I have are 12 volt but
there is no Amp total on it.It merely states output 12VDC and Max DC
2.6Amps.What I wanted to know is; although it shows 12.6 Volts how do
I know it has 2.6Amps in it.Thanks anyway.

"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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thanks to all for the replies. I'll check it all out and see if I can
figure it out.I have a Halfords charger that I use when charging my
caravan battery[110Amps] and when it is charged the light goes green
and is is switched off.These two batteries I have are 12 volt but
there is no Amp total on it.It merely states output 12VDC and Max DC
2.6Amps.What I wanted to know is; although it shows 12.6 Volts how do
I know it has 2.6Amps in it.Thanks anyway.

Two ways to test - one is to check it under load and see how many volts. The
other is to check the SG of the electrolyte with a float tester - possibly
from a "One Pound" store.
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N

On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:39:31 GMT, (Harry
Collingwood) wrote:

Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.
Sorry to mess you all about but although nothing is marked on the
battery I had another look at the instructions.It says its a "lead
acid storage battery ,normal capacity 17AH 12V,charging time 250
times.
I have a feeling it is not fully amped up[if thats right!] but my
Halfords charger switches to green when the volts is up to above 12
volts. How can I tell that they have 17 AH stored in there.
PS. They are golf trolley batteries and the charger that came with
them has no measurement to say what's going on.I could leave them
charged for a week for all I know with no indication when they are
charged.Got me beat.Thanks again.

"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:39:31 GMT, (Harry
Collingwood) wrote:

Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.
thanks to all for the replies. I'll check it all out and see if I can
figure it out.I have a Halfords charger that I use when charging my
caravan battery[110Amps] and when it is charged the light goes green
and is is switched off.These two batteries I have are 12 volt but
there is no Amp total on it.It merely states output 12VDC and Max DC
2.6Amps.What I wanted to know is; although it shows 12.6 Volts how do
I know it has 2.6Amps in it.Thanks anyway.


What do you mean 2.6 amps in it? That statement doesn't mean anything, amps
are an instantaneous measurement, not an accumulated quantity. May be a
little confusing but saying a battery has 2.6 amps in it is like saying it's
15 mph to the grocery store, you have no way to know the total quantity
(distance) from that statement.

"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:39:31 GMT, (Harry
Collingwood) wrote:

Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.
Sorry to mess you all about but although nothing is marked on the
battery I had another look at the instructions.It says its a "lead
acid storage battery ,normal capacity 17AH 12V,charging time 250
times.
I have a feeling it is not fully amped up[if thats right!] but my
Halfords charger switches to green when the volts is up to above 12
volts. How can I tell that they have 17 AH stored in there.
PS. They are golf trolley batteries and the charger that came with
them has no measurement to say what's going on.I could leave them
charged for a week for all I know with no indication when they are
charged.Got me beat.Thanks again.

You can put the battery under a known load and measure what the voltage
drops to over a period of time and calculate it from that. If the charger
switches off (assuming the charger is working which sounds like the case)
then it's as fully charged as the battery will get, if the capacity is under
17 AH then it's due to wear on the battery and not anything with the
charger. The voltage of the battery rises as it charges, the charger should
shut off when it hits about 13.8V for a 12V battery.

Dave Plowman:
*Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? *

Why does cargo go by ship... and shipments go by car/truck/train ?
Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways?
electriciym

In article ,
Harry Collingwood wrote:
Sorry to mess you all about but although nothing is marked on the
battery I had another look at the instructions.It says its a "lead
acid storage battery ,normal capacity 17AH 12V,charging time 250
times.

A 17 Ah battery is rather small for a golf trolley. I'd expect more like
70. Unless you only do 9 hole courses. ;-)

I have a feeling it is not fully amped up[if thats right!]

Fully charged will do.

but my Halfords charger switches to green when the volts is up to above
12 volts.

It will likely only switch off at rather higher than that.

How can I tell that they have 17 AH stored in there.
PS. They are golf trolley batteries and the charger that came with
them has no measurement to say what's going on.I could leave them
charged for a week for all I know with no indication when they are
charged.Got me beat.Thanks again.

It's likely the batteries are simply knackered. If the charger is saying
they are fully charged by switching off, you could try discharging them
with a known load - say a car headlamp bulb at 55 watts. A 17 Ah battery
will have a capacity of 17 x 12 ie about 200 watt hours, so should run
that bulb for more than 3 hours.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Is your question now--How do I tell if the battery is fully charged?

Check the specific gravity of the fluid in the cells.

"Dave Plowman (News)" bravely wrote to "All" (15 May 05 22:55:39)
--- on the heady topic of " Battery Amps"

DP( From: "Dave Plowman (News)"
DP( Xref: aeinews sci.electronics.repair:48281

DP( In article ,
DP( Harry Collingwood wrote:
Sorry to mess you all about but although nothing is marked on the
battery I had another look at the instructions.It says its a "lead
acid storage battery ,normal capacity 17AH 12V,charging time 250
times.

DP( A 17 Ah battery is rather small for a golf trolley. I'd expect more
DP( like 70. Unless you only do 9 hole courses. ;-)

I have a feeling it is not fully amped up[if thats right!]

DP( Fully charged will do.

but my Halfords charger switches to green when the volts is up to above
12 volts.

DP( It will likely only switch off at rather higher than that.

How can I tell that they have 17 AH stored in there.
PS. They are golf trolley batteries and the charger that came with
them has no measurement to say what's going on.I could leave them
charged for a week for all I know with no indication when they are
charged.Got me beat.Thanks again.

DP( It's likely the batteries are simply knackered. If the charger is
DP( saying they are fully charged by switching off, you could try
DP( discharging them with a known load - say a car headlamp bulb at 55
DP( watts. A 17 Ah battery will have a capacity of 17 x 12 ie about 200
DP( watt hours, so should run that bulb for more than 3 hours.

That would be true below some rated current. The 55 watts may be
greater than this value and the battery might drain faster than
expected by what the math is telling us. If the battery under this
condition shows less capacity does it then mean it is bad?

A*s*i*m*o*v

.... I worked hard to attach the electrodes to it.

On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:33:13 GMT, "James Sweet"
wrote:


"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:39:31 GMT, (Harry
Collingwood) wrote:

Basi question.Got a leisure battery,it's charged to full 12 volts but
how can I tell how many amps it holds? thanks.
thanks to all for the replies. I'll check it all out and see if I can
figure it out.I have a Halfords charger that I use when charging my
caravan battery[110Amps] and when it is charged the light goes green
and is is switched off.These two batteries I have are 12 volt but
there is no Amp total on it.It merely states output 12VDC and Max DC
2.6Amps.What I wanted to know is; although it shows 12.6 Volts how do
I know it has 2.6Amps in it.Thanks anyway.


What do you mean 2.6 amps in it? That statement doesn't mean anything, amps
are an instantaneous measurement, not an accumulated quantity. May be a
little confusing but saying a battery has 2.6 amps in it is like saying it's
15 mph to the grocery store, you have no way to know the total quantity
(distance) from that statement.


Thanks for all the help,figured this out later.It must mean that it
charges at 2.6A max.When you have a battery with no info on it you
just wander about seeking answers,for instance,as it is a cheap
Chinese item it really could be anything at all as a battery,
especially as it's not marked.Thanks for all inputs.

On Sun, 15 May 2005 22:55:39 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Harry Collingwood wrote:
Sorry to mess you all about but although nothing is marked on the
battery I had another look at the instructions.It says its a "lead
acid storage battery ,normal capacity 17AH 12V,charging time 250
times.

A 17 Ah battery is rather small for a golf trolley. I'd expect more like
70. Unless you only do 9 hole courses. ;-)

I have a feeling it is not fully amped up[if thats right!]

Fully charged will do.

but my Halfords charger switches to green when the volts is up to above
12 volts.

It will likely only switch off at rather higher than that.

How can I tell that they have 17 AH stored in there.
PS. They are golf trolley batteries and the charger that came with
them has no measurement to say what's going on.I could leave them
charged for a week for all I know with no indication when they are
charged.Got me beat.Thanks again.

It's likely the batteries are simply knackered. If the charger is saying
they are fully charged by switching off, you could try discharging them
with a known load - say a car headlamp bulb at 55 watts. A 17 Ah battery
will have a capacity of 17 x 12 ie about 200 watt hours, so should run
that bulb for more than 3 hours.

--
*If all is not lost, where the hell is it?

Dave Plowman London SW
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Not really,it says it will run fully charged for 20Km and as I play
links it's pretty flat.Thanks

On 16 May 2005 06:21:23 -0700, "cnctut"
wrote:

Is your question now--How do I tell if the battery is fully charged?

Check the specific gravity of the fluid in the cells.

Thanks for that but is not like my caravan battery with top up
cells.This one is completely sealed with no way to check.I suppose you
buy new when it looks knackered.Regards

In article ,
Harry Collingwood wrote:
Thanks for that but is not like my caravan battery with top up
cells.This one is completely sealed with no way to check.I suppose you
buy new when it looks knackered.Regards

There are clever electronic testers that give chapter and verse on a
battery's condition these days. Any decent supplier should have one and
test it for free.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Monday, 16 May 2005 10:02:00 -500, "Asimov"
wrote:

That would be true below some rated current. The 55 watts may be
greater than this value and the battery might drain faster than
expected by what the math is telling us. If the battery under this
condition shows less capacity does it then mean it is bad?

Thank you all,one last question and I'll leave you in peace! if,as
stated,17 AH seems a bit low will it hurt my two 150 motors that drive
both wheels,if I tried it, with say a 90AH battery? I have one in the
caravan and thought better to ask in case I knacker everything
up.Thanks a lot.regards Harry

90AH should give approximately 5x the run time of the 17AH battery. As long
as it is the same nominal voltage and has some type of current limiting in
series (a fuse or a circuit breaker) then it should be fine as long as it
can physically fit into the space and be safely mounted. Good luck.

Bob

"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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On Monday, 16 May 2005 10:02:00 -500, "Asimov"
wrote:

That would be true below some rated current. The 55 watts may be
greater than this value and the battery might drain faster than
expected by what the math is telling us. If the battery under this
condition shows less capacity does it then mean it is bad?

Thank you all,one last question and I'll leave you in peace! if,as
stated,17 AH seems a bit low will it hurt my two 150 motors that drive
both wheels,if I tried it, with say a 90AH battery? I have one in the
caravan and thought better to ask in case I knacker everything
up.Thanks a lot.regards Harry

"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
...

Thank you all,one last question and I'll leave you in peace! if,as
stated,17 AH seems a bit low will it hurt my two 150 motors that drive
both wheels,if I tried it, with say a 90AH battery? I have one in the
caravan and thought better to ask in case I knacker everything
up.Thanks a lot.regards Harry

Amp hours are like gallons of gas (litres of petrol). The car doesn't care
if the gas tank is 5 gallons or 50 gallons. The charger will fill either up,
it just takes longer if the tank is bigger.
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N

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"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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Thank you all,one last question and I'll leave you in peace! if,as
stated,17 AH seems a bit low will it hurt my two 150 motors that drive
both wheels,if I tried it, with say a 90AH battery? I have one in the
caravan and thought better to ask in case I knacker everything
up.Thanks a lot.regards Harry

Amp hours are like gallons of gas (litres of petrol). The car doesn't care
if the gas tank is 5 gallons or 50 gallons. The charger will fill either
up,
it just takes longer if the tank is bigger.
--
N




My only concern would be running the motors longer than intended without
cooldown time, or loading them down more with less current limiting supplied
by the larger battery, but other than that it should be fine. Wouldn't hurt
to check the temperature occasionally but I wouldn't worry too much about
it.

"James Sweet" wrote in message
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My only concern would be running the motors longer than intended without
cooldown time

Presumably the owner's manual would cover this.

or loading them down more with less current limiting supplied
by the larger battery

I wouldn't want to rely on such current limiting. Ever shorted a lead acid
battery? I bet you won't find the case anywhere.
--
N

On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:14:07 -0500, "Bob Shuman"
wrote:

90AH should give approximately 5x the run time of the 17AH battery. As long
as it is the same nominal voltage and has some type of current limiting in
series (a fuse or a circuit breaker) then it should be fine as long as it
can physically fit into the space and be safely mounted. Good luck.

Bob

"Harry Collingwood" wrote in message
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On Monday, 16 May 2005 10:02:00 -500, "Asimov"
wrote:

That would be true below some rated current. The 55 watts may be
greater than this value and the battery might drain faster than
expected by what the math is telling us. If the battery under this
condition shows less capacity does it then mean it is bad?

Thank you all,one last question and I'll leave you in peace! if,as
stated,17 AH seems a bit low will it hurt my two 150 motors that drive
both wheels,if I tried it, with say a 90AH battery? I have one in the
caravan and thought better to ask in case I knacker everything
up.Thanks a lot.regards Harry


Many thanks for the help,I noticed a fuse running from the
pos.Batt.lead so I guess if it is dodgy then it will blow.Thanks again
for all replies.You have helped me out a lot.Regards

In article 0Jyie.183$6d.122@trnddc07,
James Sweet wrote:
or loading them down more with less current limiting supplied
by the larger battery,

That really will be tiny. Roughly 17 Ah jump start packs will start a car.
They're rated at about 300 amps peak.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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