Hello,

I live in a house that approx 45 years old. The rear entry door has
glass panes and does not have a deadbolt. To improve security, I am
planning on installing a deadlock. Since the glass could be broken and
then someone could easily unlock the deadbolt, I was planning on
placing the deadbolt closer towards the floor so that it would be very
difficult top reach. Is there any reason that I should not place the
deadbolt lower?

Thanks,
Paul

wrote:
Hello,

I live in a house that approx 45 years old. The rear entry door has
glass panes and does not have a deadbolt. To improve security, I am
planning on installing a deadlock. Since the glass could be broken and
then someone could easily unlock the deadbolt, I was planning on
placing the deadbolt closer towards the floor so that it would be very
difficult top reach. Is there any reason that I should not place the
deadbolt lower?

Buy a double cylinder deadbolt, which uses a key on both sides of the
door, and mount the lock at the normal height.

Jerry

wrote:
wrote:
Hello,

I live in a house that approx 45 years old. The rear entry door has
glass panes and does not have a deadbolt. To improve security, I am
planning on installing a deadlock. Since the glass could be broken and
then someone could easily unlock the deadbolt, I was planning on
placing the deadbolt closer towards the floor so that it would be very
difficult top reach. Is there any reason that I should not place the
deadbolt lower?

Buy a double cylinder deadbolt, which uses a key on both sides of the
door, and mount the lock at the normal height.

Fire hazard. Make sure you keep a key nearby, like behind a picture or
a floor mat or something.

Hello,

I had thought about that,but have concerns about safety (getting out of
house in case of fire, etc). I have 3 kids. This is why I do not want
to have it keyed from the inside.

Paul

wrote:
Hello,

I had thought about that,but have concerns about safety (getting out
of house in case of fire, etc). I have 3 kids. This is why I do not
want to have it keyed from the inside.

Paul

Another advantage of inside keying is that if the goblins get in (say,
through the chimney), they still can't carry the swag out. To test this, try
moving an entertainment center through a broken window.

That said, consider bars for the glass or replacing the glass with the
impregnable plastic they use on jet fighter cockpits (I forget the name:
Jolly Green Giant or Michilen or something).

wrote:

Buy a double cylinder deadbolt, which uses a key on both sides of the
door, and mount the lock at the normal height.

At least where I live these are not allowed in new construction due to
fire hazard. They recommend impact-resistant glass or polycarbonate
windows instead.

I have one in the house I just bought. I detest the inconvenience of
it. I'm planning on replacing the door anyways, and the new deadbolt
will NOT be keyed on the inside.

Chris

Alarm system sounds like a good candidate... but not sure how that
pertains to your situation. I've got the same deal...but if you think
about it, no home is completely secure.... even if you put a
double-keyed deadbolt on the glass door, think about how hard it would
be to break the door down completely, or break another window or bust
your garage door opener chain by using a wedge to lift the door from
the outside, then spending the next few hours going to town on your
electronics and jewelry while you're on vacation. (happened to a friend
of a friend, so it's probably not true, but is possible)

My security system is model # 1911-A1 caliber .45 ACP by Springfield
Armory. These retail for about $500 and installation is a few clicks.
;-) If you've got kids (or are a convicted felon and can't buy a
gun), you may want to get a housebroken yappy loud guard dog (good
addition to the family anyhow) and an axe ($15) or 6-D cell maglite
($30) instead.

On 11 Dec 2006 08:49:42 -0800, "Ether Jones"
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wrote:
wrote:
Hello,

I live in a house that approx 45 years old. The rear entry door has
glass panes and does not have a deadbolt. To improve security, I am
planning on installing a deadlock. Since the glass could be broken and
then someone could easily unlock the deadbolt, I was planning on
placing the deadbolt closer towards the floor so that it would be very
difficult top reach. Is there any reason that I should not place the
deadbolt lower?

Buy a double cylinder deadbolt, which uses a key on both sides of the
door, and mount the lock at the normal height.

Fire hazard. Make sure you keep a key nearby, like behind a picture or
a floor mat or something.

Replace the glass in the door with polycarb.
That way, they set it on fire instead of breaking it.

" wrote in
oups.com:

Alarm system sounds like a good candidate...

Who's going to respond to it if you are not home?
(and *how long* is the response time?)

but not sure how that
pertains to your situation. I've got the same deal...but if you think
about it, no home is completely secure.... even if you put a
double-keyed deadbolt on the glass door, think about how hard it would
be to break the door down completely,

the door FRAME usually fails before the door.

You want security,use a solid door,a reinforced door frame,and deadbolt
locks,not those locks in the doorknob,or ones that lock when you shut the
door.

or break another window or bust
your garage door opener chain by using a wedge to lift the door from
the outside, then spending the next few hours going to town on your
electronics and jewelry while you're on vacation. (happened to a friend
of a friend, so it's probably not true, but is possible)

One new attack is a garage's side door(or window) to the outside,then lots
of time to attack the inner door to the main house.
Or thieves break into your autos outside and take the garage door
opener,use that to enter the garage.(even while you ARE at home!)

My security system is model # 1911-A1 caliber .45 ACP by Springfield
Armory. These retail for about $500 and installation is a few clicks.


And only good if you happen to be HOME when the illegal entry is attempted.
(the usual occurrence in the US is the opposite.)
(and I'm a gun owner,not anti-gun.)

;-) If you've got kids (or are a convicted felon and can't buy a
gun), you may want to get a housebroken yappy loud guard dog (good
addition to the family anyhow) and an axe ($15) or 6-D cell maglite
($30) instead.

Pepper spray;it does not require close combat like a flashlight(club).
Get the LARGE can,like police use,at least 2 million Scovill units of heat.

(I'd also rather use a aluminum baseball bat than a flashlight,for a
club.Or an ASP collapsible baton.)

A big dog is useful when you aren't home,but has cleanup,possible allergy
problems,and requires constant feeding.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

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(snip)

A big dog is useful when you aren't home,but has cleanup,possible allergy
problems,and requires constant feeding.

Can't remember where I read it- I'm thinking Mad magazine- but they went
through the guard dog scenario, and the potential new dog owner did some
math in his head, and announced that it would be cheaper to get robbed once
in a while.

aem sends...

I've done that for the last twenty or so years. Deadbolts low down.
Yes, I'm a locksmith, and yes, I install deadbolts.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

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Hello,

I live in a house that approx 45 years old. The rear entry door has
glass panes and does not have a deadbolt. To improve security, I am
planning on installing a deadlock. Since the glass could be broken
and
then someone could easily unlock the deadbolt, I was planning on
placing the deadbolt closer towards the floor so that it would be very
difficult top reach. Is there any reason that I should not place the
deadbolt lower?

Thanks,
Paul

Hire a professional

Hire a professional locksmith. You do not know what you are talking
about.

On 11 Dec 2006 07:57:55 -0800, wrote:

Hello,

I live in a house that approx 45 years old. The rear entry door has
glass panes and does not have a deadbolt. To improve security, I am
planning on installing a deadlock. Since the glass could be broken and
then someone could easily unlock the deadbolt, I was planning on
placing the deadbolt closer towards the floor so that it would be very
difficult top reach. Is there any reason that I should not place the
deadbolt lower?

Thanks,
Paul

Buy a double cylinder deadbolt, which uses a key on both sides of the
door, and mount the lock at the normal height.

Fire hazard. Make sure you keep a key nearby, like behind a picture or
a floor mat or something.

Well, most folks keep the key in the lock most of the time. You take the
key out when you leave the house empty (keep it within sight of the door)
but at night you leave it in place.

Some folks put those locks in because they have someone in the house who
"wanders." (A senile old person or a kid with mental problems.) They
have to balance the fire hazard with someone "escaping" the house and
playing in traffic.

In Valley Center, KS...we rarely lock our doors.
Sorry to have posted, I have no idea what I'm talking about when it
comes to theivery. My thought is "you can replace a TV, but not your
family"

Then again though, I'm such a lousy shot that I'd probably put holes in
my TV as well as the robber. And the cleanup wouldn't be fun. It's
probably best to just be a victim.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've done that for the last twenty or so years. Deadbolts low down.
Yes, I'm a locksmith, and yes, I install deadbolts.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.


Chris,

Thanks for reply. I was hoping to hear from someone like yourself who
had put the deadbolt down lower on the door.

Paul

On 12 Dec 2006 08:07:57 -0800, wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've done that for the last twenty or so years. Deadbolts low down.
Yes, I'm a locksmith, and yes, I install deadbolts.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.


Chris,

Thanks for reply. I was hoping to hear from someone like yourself who
had put the deadbolt down lower on the door.


Why not go all the way, and put one that drops a pin into the
threshold, and another that puts one up into the header?
Then you can install metal brackets on either side,
and drop a (tastefully decorated) 2x4 across the doorway.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:01:05 -0500, Goedjn wrote:

On 12 Dec 2006 08:07:57 -0800, wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've done that for the last twenty or so years. Deadbolts low down.
Yes, I'm a locksmith, and yes, I install deadbolts.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.


Chris,

Thanks for reply. I was hoping to hear from someone like yourself who
had put the deadbolt down lower on the door.


Why not go all the way, and put one that drops a pin into the
threshold, and another that puts one up into the header?
Then you can install metal brackets on either side,
and drop a (tastefully decorated) 2x4 across the doorway.

My French doors already have pins -- on the side that is not often
opened. The pins are accessed by opening the "active" side and moving
the pins, Are you saying that these can be installed as well on
the "inactive" side? Straight question.

TIA

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:23:59 -0800, aspasia wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:01:05 -0500, Goedjn wrote:

On 12 Dec 2006 08:07:57 -0800, wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've done that for the last twenty or so years. Deadbolts low down.
Yes, I'm a locksmith, and yes, I install deadbolts.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.


Chris,

Thanks for reply. I was hoping to hear from someone like yourself who
had put the deadbolt down lower on the door.


Why not go all the way, and put one that drops a pin into the
threshold, and another that puts one up into the header?
Then you can install metal brackets on either side,
and drop a (tastefully decorated) 2x4 across the doorway.

My French doors already have pins -- on the side that is not often
opened. The pins are accessed by opening the "active" side and moving
the pins, Are you saying that these can be installed as well on
the "inactive" side? Straight question.


Depends on whether you want to be able to unlock them from
the outside, and if so, whether you care how ugly
the hardware is. If the answer to either of the above
is "no", then yes, you can.

But what I was talking about was just mounting
a normal long-shaft deadbolt lock 90 degrees
around, so that the bolt goes up/down.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:08:26 -0500, Goedjn wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:23:59 -0800, aspasia wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:01:05 -0500, Goedjn wrote:

On 12 Dec 2006 08:07:57 -0800, wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've done that for the last twenty or so years. Deadbolts low down.
Yes, I'm a locksmith, and yes, I install deadbolts.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.


Chris,

Thanks for reply. I was hoping to hear from someone like yourself who
had put the deadbolt down lower on the door.


Why not go all the way, and put one that drops a pin into the
threshold, and another that puts one up into the header?
Then you can install metal brackets on either side,
and drop a (tastefully decorated) 2x4 across the doorway.

My French doors already have pins -- on the side that is not often
opened. The pins are accessed by opening the "active" side and moving
the pins, Are you saying that these can be installed as well on
the "inactive" side? Straight question.


Depends on whether you want to be able to unlock them from
the outside, and if so, whether you care how ugly
the hardware is. If the answer to either of the above
is "no", then yes, you can.

But what I was talking about was just mounting
a normal long-shaft deadbolt lock 90 degrees
around, so that the bolt goes up/down.

Oh, I get it. Thanks. However -- there's always a "however" isn't
there -- anyone could break a pane and access the deadbolt.
no?

However g if it deters the invader in the least, might be
worth it. Though I have low-mounted deadbolts and chains on both my
French doors, they are virtually worthless for a determined break-in.

Aspasoa