Just read on the NYWS website that it is official, HGTV did NOT
renew their contract to show the older NYWS episodes for the new
season. Guess that leaves us at the mercy of the idiot fund raisers
who run learning the piano or some "motivational speaker" over the
NYWS scheduled shows begging for donations.

Don't know about you, but if they would run a NYWS marathon during the
pledge/fund raising they would get MORE money more often from this
woodworker. Right now the local PBS has pre-empted the Sunday
schedule for fundraising, causing folks to miss 2 of the new season
episodes

John

For $1.50 per month you can subscribe to the PBS National hookup (Channel
249) on DISH Satellite. They carry NYW with no fund raising.

"John" wrote in message
...
Just read on the NYWS website that it is official, HGTV did NOT
renew their contract to show the older NYWS episodes for the new
season. Guess that leaves us at the mercy of the idiot fund raisers
who run learning the piano or some "motivational speaker" over the
NYWS scheduled shows begging for donations.

Don't know about you, but if they would run a NYWS marathon during the
pledge/fund raising they would get MORE money more often from this
woodworker. Right now the local PBS has pre-empted the Sunday
schedule for fundraising, causing folks to miss 2 of the new season
episodes

John

"ole" wrote in message
...
For $1.50 per month you can subscribe to the PBS National hookup (Channel
249) on DISH Satellite. They carry NYW with no fund raising.


Except for those aggravating pieces of self-promotion they use to fill dead
air. At least the latest, the "Red Riding Hood" series, have Norm in them.
I still haven't figured out what message, beyond the obvious, they're trying
to convey with the black female pilot endorsement.

Get DirecTV, get the DIY channel, and get access to two regular shows that
are at least as good as NYWS: Woodwords with David Marks, and Woodworking
with David Johnson. Also look at The Router Workshop on PBSU. You may even
be able to give your nailer a rest.

You just need a clear view of the soutwest sky(from my location in NC); the
satellite is over the equator south of Texas. I don't work for DTV, just
want to share good programming so enough people watch to keep them on the
air. You can lookup information, including project directions and
materials, on DIYnet.com.

Steve

"John" wrote in message
...
Just read on the NYWS website that it is official, HGTV did NOT
renew their contract to show the older NYWS episodes for the new
season. Guess that leaves us at the mercy of the idiot fund raisers
who run learning the piano or some "motivational speaker" over the
NYWS scheduled shows begging for donations.

Don't know about you, but if they would run a NYWS marathon during the
pledge/fund raising they would get MORE money more often from this
woodworker. Right now the local PBS has pre-empted the Sunday
schedule for fundraising, causing folks to miss 2 of the new season
episodes

John

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:15:58 +0000, Steven and Gail Peterson wrote:

Get DirecTV, get the DIY channel, and get access to two regular shows that
are at least as good as NYWS: Woodwords with David Marks, and Woodworking
with David Johnson.

Don't get me started on Minwhacks (Bruce) Johnson. That guy shouldn't be
allowed to carry Norm's toolbelt.

I do like the woodturning show, though. But that's probably because I know
next to nothing about turning.

--
Joe Wells

"Steven and Gail Peterson" wrote in message
nk.net...
Get DirecTV, get the DIY channel, and get access to two regular shows that
are at least as good as NYWS: Woodwords with David Marks, and Woodworking
with David Johnson. Also look at The Router Workshop on PBSU. You may
even
be able to give your nailer a rest.


I watch Bruce Johnson for comic relief. It's fun to count his mistakes, and
sloppy workmanship.

Marks, on the other hand, amazes me with his talent

Ken

Ken

I lost respect for bruce johnson when one of his shows was the assembly
of a rocking chair *kit*. Not one bit of woodworking was involved. He
took completed parts out of a box, glued them together and threw on a
finish. He routinely makes mistakes, which are magically fixed when
they come back from the comercial break. Does he still call his
sliding compound miter saw a radial arm saw?

brian

brianlanning wrote:
I lost respect for bruce johnson when one of his shows was the assembly
of a rocking chair *kit*. Not one bit of woodworking was involved. He
took completed parts out of a box, glued them together and threw on a
finish. He routinely makes mistakes, which are magically fixed when
they come back from the comercial break. Does he still call his
sliding compound miter saw a radial arm saw?



I'd forgotten about the "radial arm saw". Yes, you know what? I watch him with
the same fascination I reserved for Jim Bakker back in the days of the Pass The
Loot Club.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"brianlanning" wrote in message
ups.com...
k. Does he still call his
sliding compound miter saw a radial arm saw?

brian

Probably, since all I have ever seen of his show are the
reruns,reruns,reruns.............

"John" wrote in message
...
Just read on the NYWS website that it is official, HGTV did NOT
renew their contract to show the older NYWS episodes for the new
season. Guess that leaves us at the mercy of the idiot fund raisers

Note also how difficult it is to find contact information on the HGTV site
to let them know how displeased you are about it. There is not even a real
email address to send comments to while they ask you everything down to year
of birth in their "Viewer Services" page when you want to submit a comment.

While I enjoy the show, Norm & company could make all of this moot by
releasing each season in a DVD collection. They are really milking it for
every penny by charging $25 for a single 30 minute program. An entire
season for $100 would be fair. He could still sell the plans for $10 a
piece. My guess is that he'd sell more DVD's than tapes this way.

Cheers!
Duke

"Dukester" wrote in message
Note also how difficult it is to find contact information on the HGTV site
to let them know how displeased you are about it. There is not even a
real
email address to send comments to while they ask you everything down to
year
of birth in their "Viewer Services" page when you want to submit a
comment.

I'm not overly upset because they are repeating the repeats that they
repeated before. I'd like to see some of the newer shows.



While I enjoy the show, Norm & company could make all of this moot by
releasing each season in a DVD collection. They are really milking it for
every penny by charging $25 for a single 30 minute program. An entire
season for $100 would be fair. He could still sell the plans for $10 a
piece. My guess is that he'd sell more DVD's than tapes this way.

I have no qualms about the price of the plans. For the additional cost of
the video, I'd like to see a few more details. They have the original
tapes, why not add some of the raw footage?

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...

I'd forgotten about the "radial arm saw". Yes, you know what? I watch
him with
the same fascination I reserved for Jim Bakker back in the days of the
Pass The
Loot Club.

And, although I have no idea why, I haven't gotten around to deleting The
Router Workshop from the auto-record guide. I find that show to be of *zero*
value.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:38:38 GMT, patrick conroy wrote:

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...

I'd forgotten about the "radial arm saw". Yes, you know what? I watch
him with
the same fascination I reserved for Jim Bakker back in the days of the
Pass The
Loot Club.

And, although I have no idea why, I haven't gotten around to deleting The
Router Workshop from the auto-record guide. I find that show to be of *zero*
value.

Yeah, same here. Tivo keeps saying "Hey, you might like this", and I
don't want to three thumbs-down it, because I like shows _like_ it,
just not that one. The good thing is, if you have Tivo, it'll never
erase or not record something you want when it's doing a suggestion -
it just records them if you have nothing else scheduled and plenty of
disk space. Easy enough to delete 'em, or let 'em fall off on their
own.

For $1.50 per month you can subscribe to the PBS National hookup
(Channel
249) on DISH Satellite. They carry NYW with no fund raising.

No you can't. I used to have this until the *******s at WGBH objected.
I would much rather pay a fair price for commercial free TV than be
forced to sit through bull**** fundraisers.

Last week they had that git Suzie Orman going on about money like she
was preaching a religious sermon. It may just be me but I find that
sort of thing revolting and in any case the only people who are going
to want to sit through that sort of thing are the type of people who
are too tightfisted to donate anyhow.

I don't care if PBS does not get paid for the programs sent out over
satelite, they sure as heck could get paid. I have a PVR so I never
watch the commercials on regular TV anyway, apart from the superbowl of
course where in the average year the same technology allows one to
effortlessly edit out the alleged game.This year being the first time
in living memory that the game has not been effectively over in the
first quarter we actually watched the game but you get the idea.

I agree, that show really bothers me. But I'm not sure why. Maybe
it's because they show the entire process of routing somthing rather
than the NYW way, which is to talk about it for a few seconds, then
show maybe the first couple inches of the cut so you can see how the
bit affects the wood, then moving on. Also, NYW gets the camera up
real close so you can see better. Also, the father in the router
workshop has this bump on his head that I can't stop looing at. :-)

brian

Ken Johnsen wrote:
"Steven and Gail Peterson" wrote in message
nk.net...

Get DirecTV, get the DIY channel, and get access to two regular shows that
are at least as good as NYWS: Woodwords with David Marks, and Woodworking
with David Johnson. Also look at The Router Workshop on PBSU. You may

even

be able to give your nailer a rest.



I watch Bruce Johnson for comic relief. It's fun to count his mistakes, and
sloppy workmanship.

Marks, on the other hand, amazes me with his talent

Ken

Ken


LOL, yes Brucey certainly *is* sloppy, but at least he looks like he's
having fun doing it...
Marks is extremely talented (and his attention to detail is
outstanding), but his acting needs a bit of improvement!

"ole" wrote in message
...
For $1.50 per month you can subscribe to the PBS National hookup (Channel
249) on DISH Satellite. They carry NYW with no fund raising.

Hi Ole,
You cannot do this if your local station set has a PBS station in it. I
used to have both the PBS stations here in Atlanta and the PBS National feed
(One of the reasons I originally went with the plan I have on Dish Network.
Then they said because I get PBS from a local source they were contractually
obligated to shutdown our reception of the national feed. That sucks canal
water, but there it is.
Later,
Beej

I noticed this recently as well. I use a tv capture card on my PC to record
the shows, and for the last 2 weeks (including 2 weeks going forward that
they let you search) when i search for "new yankee" I get zero hits. I'm in
southeastern CT - and have a PBS station, but they only made it through the
first 2 or 3 new episodes this year (as far as I know) before preempting
them for fundraising. It really is pathetic. I've had 2 or 3 15 minute
discussions with the CT PBS program manager expressing my displeasure to no
avail. Even when I lived in Boston I dont' recall the shows being broadcast
exactly when the NYWS website said they would be.

As others have said, part of my disgust is with the NYWS itself for
continuing to gouge people that want to buy their videos on a per episode
basis. Getting digital video made into DVDs costs next to nothing on a per
copy basis, so there is no justification for charging the ridiculous price
they charge for a 30 minute show. But they have a captive audience and they
don't seem to care about how many DVDs they sell - I've sent repeated
messages to them inquiring about this with no responses at all.

Oh well, life goes on, I've learned about as much from Norm as I can anyway.

Mike


"John" wrote in message
...
Just read on the NYWS website that it is official, HGTV did NOT
renew their contract to show the older NYWS episodes for the new
season. Guess that leaves us at the mercy of the idiot fund raisers
who run learning the piano or some "motivational speaker" over the
NYWS scheduled shows begging for donations.

Don't know about you, but if they would run a NYWS marathon during the
pledge/fund raising they would get MORE money more often from this
woodworker. Right now the local PBS has pre-empted the Sunday
schedule for fundraising, causing folks to miss 2 of the new season
episodes

John

Yes...they have a reason to charge that much...

I assume you never noticed Tom's boat or Morash's beach
home in Cape Cod ??? TOH has been very,very,very good to
those boys.



Mike in Mystic wrote:


As others have said, part of my disgust is with the NYWS itself for
continuing to gouge people that want to buy their videos on a per episode
basis. Getting digital video made into DVDs costs next to nothing on a per
copy basis, so there is no justification for charging the ridiculous price
they charge for a 30 minute show.

hmmm

I always assumed that they made most of their money from charges they got
for doing the TOH shows - I can't believe they just do it for nothing but
materials, but maybe that's how it goes. But I'm sure Tom and the plumber
and the gardening guy all have booming businesses that they do in addition
to TOH and that was where I assumed they got their money. You saw that
house that Dick, Tom's brother, had built after his burned down. Holy crap!
And I never could figure out what he did, exactly.

As for Morash - maybe he has a rich wife?? hehe

But seriously, let's say they make $500K a year on NYW. Do you really think
they sell 20,000 videos a year? Maybe they do, but it would seriously shock
me.

Mike

Norm has his books - not sure how much money he makes, but probably enough.
"Pat Barber" wrote in message
...
Yes...they have a reason to charge that much...

I assume you never noticed Tom's boat or Morash's beach
home in Cape Cod ??? TOH has been very,very,very good to
those boys.



Mike in Mystic wrote:


As others have said, part of my disgust is with the NYWS itself for
continuing to gouge people that want to buy their videos on a per
episode
basis. Getting digital video made into DVDs costs next to nothing on a
per
copy basis, so there is no justification for charging the ridiculous
price
they charge for a 30 minute show.

I know "nothing" about tv production but I assume there
are ways for everybody including the boys to make money.

WGBH produces TOH & NYW and I assume they get a major
chunk. When I hear things like "the bathroom cost $30K",
I assume old Richard has hit another home run. I gotta
figure NYW is the "cheap" version to produce.

I also assume that home building costs in the Boston area
are beyond belief.


Mike in Mystic wrote:

hmmm

I always assumed that they made most of their money from charges they got
for doing the TOH shows - I can't believe they just do it for nothing but
materials, but maybe that's how it goes. But I'm sure Tom and the plumber
and the gardening guy all have booming businesses that they do in addition
to TOH and that was where I assumed they got their money. You saw that
house that Dick, Tom's brother, had built after his burned down. Holy crap!
And I never could figure out what he did, exactly.

As for Morash - maybe he has a rich wife?? hehe

But seriously, let's say they make $500K a year on NYW. Do you really think
they sell 20,000 videos a year? Maybe they do, but it would seriously shock
me.

Mike

Norm has his books - not sure how much money he makes, but probably enough.
"Pat Barber" wrote in message
...

Yes...they have a reason to charge that much...

I assume you never noticed Tom's boat or Morash's beach
home in Cape Cod ??? TOH has been very,very,very good to
those boys.



Mike in Mystic wrote:



As others have said, part of my disgust is with the NYWS itself for
continuing to gouge people that want to buy their videos on a per

episode

basis. Getting digital video made into DVDs costs next to nothing on a

per

copy basis, so there is no justification for charging the ridiculous

price

they charge for a 30 minute show.

It never ceases to amaze me that people, especially in this newsgroup,
equate the cost of materials with the selling price of the finished product.
The reason NYW videos cost what they do is that's how much people are
willing to pay. How many of the people here who make and sell furniture
would be outraged if customers expected their pieces to be priced at roughly
the cost of the wood that went into them? As we all know, there's so much
more that goes into them (cost of tools, cost of utilities, workshop rent,
supplies other than lumber, hours of labor, and all the intangibles such as
education, experience, artistic expression, craftsmanship, beauty). Anyone
who charges more thanthe market will bear is probably not selling very much.
Anyone who is charging less than fair market value is cheating himself.
What surprises me about the NYW videos, and any TV show videos for that
matter, is why people pay anything at all to buy them when all they have to
do is throw a $2 blank tape into the VCR and record it themselves.

Lee

--
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"

"Lee Gordon" wrote in message
...
It never ceases to amaze me that people, especially in this newsgroup,
equate the cost of materials with the selling price of the finished
product.
The reason NYW videos cost what they do is that's how much people are
willing to pay. How many of the people here who make and sell furniture
would be outraged if customers expected their pieces to be priced at
roughly
the cost of the wood that went into them? As we all know, there's so much
more that goes into them (cost of tools, cost of utilities, workshop rent,
supplies other than lumber, hours of labor, and all the intangibles such
as
education, experience, artistic expression, craftsmanship, beauty).
Anyone
who charges more thanthe market will bear is probably not selling very
much.
Anyone who is charging less than fair market value is cheating himself.
What surprises me about the NYW videos, and any TV show videos for that
matter, is why people pay anything at all to buy them when all they have
to
do is throw a $2 blank tape into the VCR and record it themselves.

Right, unless the shows you want to see are never aired (after all, if HGTV
is not airing the reruns any longer, and your local PBS station doesn't
carry it, how do you tape the shows?). As for the cost of production, we
know the tools cost them $0, the location $0, and Norm has mentioned on more
than one occaision the salvaged wood people send him = $0. This eliminates
a tremendous amount of overhead right there. In any case, I still hold to
my original contention that they would sell more by selling a season's worth
on DVD rather than individual episodes on tape. They could do this, and
STILL sell the individual episodes for those that want "just that one". I,
for one, will never buy a single episode on tape.

--Cheers!
Duke

In article ,
"Dukester" wrote:

"Lee Gordon" wrote in message
...
It never ceases to amaze me that people, especially in this newsgroup,
equate the cost of materials with the selling price of the finished
product.
The reason NYW videos cost what they do is that's how much people are
willing to pay. How many of the people here who make and sell furniture
would be outraged if customers expected their pieces to be priced at
roughly
the cost of the wood that went into them? As we all know, there's so much
more that goes into them (cost of tools, cost of utilities, workshop rent,
supplies other than lumber, hours of labor, and all the intangibles such
as
education, experience, artistic expression, craftsmanship, beauty).
Anyone
who charges more thanthe market will bear is probably not selling very
much.
Anyone who is charging less than fair market value is cheating himself.
What surprises me about the NYW videos, and any TV show videos for that
matter, is why people pay anything at all to buy them when all they have
to
do is throw a $2 blank tape into the VCR and record it themselves.

Right, unless the shows you want to see are never aired (after all, if HGTV
is not airing the reruns any longer, and your local PBS station doesn't
carry it, how do you tape the shows?). As for the cost of production, we
know the tools cost them $0, the location $0, and Norm has mentioned on more
than one occaision the salvaged wood people send him = $0. This eliminates
a tremendous amount of overhead right there. In any case, I still hold to
my original contention that they would sell more by selling a season's worth
on DVD rather than individual episodes on tape. They could do this, and
STILL sell the individual episodes for those that want "just that one". I,
for one, will never buy a single episode on tape.

--Cheers!
Duke



Don't forget too that the tapes come with drawings and they're pretty
good ones at that. Those cost something too, along with the packaging
and duplication. Not deal breakers, but they do amount to something in
the cost structure. Norm isn't free either.

--
Regards,
JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while
expecting that he will get nothing in return!"

Right, unless the shows you want to see are never aired (after all, if
HGTV
is not airing the reruns any longer, and your local PBS station doesn't
carry it, how do you tape the shows?). As for the cost of production, we
know the tools cost them $0, the location $0, and Norm has mentioned on more
than one occaision the salvaged wood people send him = $0. This eliminates
a tremendous amount of overhead right there. In any case, I still hold to
my original contention that they would sell more by selling a season's worth
on DVD rather than individual episodes on tape. They could do this, and
STILL sell the individual episodes for those that want "just that one".

It is no doubt true that people who can't get NYW on TV in their localities
also can't slap a tape in the VCR to record it. For that matter, they also
can't see the announcement at the end of the show instructing them where to
send for the tapes. But I still wonder how big the market is for video
sales to those people who could just tape the shows off the air.
Again, the costs incurred (or not incurred) by the producer are more or less
irrelevant in pricing the tapes. They have a perceived value in the
marketplace and that's what determines their selling price.
I totally agree with you about the DVD's. Not only could they sell entire
seasons more economically, they could also include features not practical
with video tapes. For example, they could give the user the option to view
the relevant portion of the drawing as a particular part is cut, machined or
assembled.

Lee
--
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"

Subject

If you can read a print, what is the necessity of a video?

Lew

Lee Gordon notes:
But I still wonder how big the market is for video
sales to those people who could just tape the shows off the air.

Market sizes can be a stunner at times. Some years ago, as cordless
tools were really starting to wind up, I got a tour of
shall-be-nameless's factory not too far from Atlanta. I watched the
auto winders cranking out motor windings at an unbelievable pace. I
watched the mostly automated assembly process, stunned at the numbers
coming off the end of the line. I then heard the tour leader (PR guy)
state that the company also had to buy five million (5,000,000) wound
cordless tool motors that year from outside sources because their
machines couldn't keep up.

That's one maker, and I don't think it's the largest, so you have to
really, really wonder at the size of the market overall. Of course, not
nearly all are woodworkers, but my estimate is that year alone way
upwards of 50,000,000 cordless tools were sold. Figure two per person?
Three? Four? How many are woodworkers, how many would watch NYWS, how
many of those would order plans? Probably in excess of 50,000, but I
don't really know.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:55:20 GMT, the inscrutable Lew Hodgett
spake:

Subject

If you can read a print, what is the necessity of a video?

And Q2: If you know what you want, why are plans necessary?

A1+2: Handholding.

nomex=ON


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If you can read a print, what is the necessity of a video?
And Q2: If you know what you want, why are plans necessary?

The video is useful to know the order in which to build and assemble.
Norm is much better than Marks in this respect, quite often I end up
wondering why Marks made things difficult for himself by choosing the
order of operations he did, when Norm chooses a particular order it
usually turns out to be with good reason.

I now have my DVR set to record Marks every morning, I don't find it an
acceptable Norm substitute. In the first place the episodes are much
shorter, 20 minutes instead of 24. And of that time something like 4
minutes is taken up with previews and flashbacks arround each
commercial break. The result is that in the time Norm has built a
garden shed Marks has built a jewlery case.

The other issue is the choice of wood. Marks uses exotic woods almost
exclusively, until the last season Norm was mostly using plywood and
MDF. The dining room table must have cost something like $2,000 for the
wood alone though. I was somewhat surprised that he did the solid top
when veneer would have been much cheaper and was the material of choice
at the time the original was made.

If you can read a print, what is the necessity of a video?
And Q2: If you know what you want, why are plans necessary?


Depends on the skill level. Much of what Norm does is geared to the novice
or intermediate level woodworker, or even the guy that wants to, but has
never cut a board. Also the guy that has never read a print. Most of us
have learned fishing, woodworking, cooking, painting, by watching a teacher
or parent.

Seeing how an operation is performed is very valuable. .
Same with the plans. I know how to build a box, but I don't know the best
construction method for everything. I have made many projects without plans
but I learned how to do some of that from using plans in the beginning. We
all have to start someplace.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news:3pk0e.15804$ed6.651@trndny06...
If you can read a print, what is the necessity of a video?
And Q2: If you know what you want, why are plans necessary?


Seeing how an operation is performed is very valuable. .
Same with the plans. I know how to build a box, but I don't know the best
construction method for everything. I have made many projects without
plans
but I learned how to do some of that from using plans in the beginning.
We
all have to start someplace.

Absolutely. Watching the video is very helpful in seeing how things are
done that you've never done before. As a reference tool, I may never build
the exact same greenhouse Norm built but I can look back at how he did
things and get ideas on what I would change or not even attempt. The other
possibility is watching it for sheer entertainment value.

--Cheers!
Duke

I read the words on French Polishing and read the words then read the
words again. THEN I got Jeff Jewitt video on Hand Applied Finishes
and the words made sense for the first time. Didn't change the words
but maybe put the accent on another syllable.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:34:07 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

If you can read a print, what is the necessity of a video?
And Q2: If you know what you want, why are plans necessary?


Depends on the skill level. Much of what Norm does is geared to the novice
or intermediate level woodworker, or even the guy that wants to, but has
never cut a board. Also the guy that has never read a print. Most of us
have learned fishing, woodworking, cooking, painting, by watching a teacher
or parent.

Seeing how an operation is performed is very valuable. .
Same with the plans. I know how to build a box, but I don't know the best
construction method for everything. I have made many projects without plans
but I learned how to do some of that from using plans in the beginning. We
all have to start someplace.