Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:40:04 -0500, Silvan
calmly ranted:

Larry Jaques wrote:

through there. Serveral times he stopped and stood in the sunshine
a few yards from a blowing snowstorm, as if there were a wall there
and the storm was contained behind it. Damndest thing he ever saw.

I've seen that too, here in Virginia. Almost like there's some kind of
invisible forcefield keeping the white stuff on the other side of the line.
Very weird.

We get weather like that especially in late spring.

Ditto on Little Rock AFB in the 60s. I'd be on one side of
the street in the sunshine while it rained like hell (80F
summer rain) on the other side of the street, and I could
watch the line of wetness progress slowly toward me. Great
stuff for an 8-year-old.

My brother and I used to complain that Dad would always get rained out
and we would both have to stay out in the field all day...did seem like
that, often, although I'm sure there were instances the other way as
well we selectively forgot!

It's a general phenomenon, of course...the precipitation line has to be
somewhere...it just is most often not where we happen to be standing.

Doug Winterburn wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:50:25 -0600, Duane Bozarth wrote:

It's a general phenomenon, of course...the precipitation line has to be
somewhere...it just is most often not where we happen to be standing.

except in Seattle where it rains everywhere, and heavier in the
convergence zone...

It still stops somewhere...

Spent 10 days w/ daughter in Olympia couple of weeks ago now...saw the
sun once while there for about 30 minutes...

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:50:25 -0600, Duane Bozarth wrote:

It's a general phenomenon, of course...the precipitation line has to be
somewhere...it just is most often not where we happen to be standing.

except in Seattle where it rains everywhere, and heavier in the
convergence zone...

- Doug

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Larry Jaques wrote:

summer rain) on the other side of the street, and I could
watch the line of wetness progress slowly toward me. Great
stuff for an 8-year-old.

I've seen that too. It's really cool, like one of those cartoons where the
single rain cloud is following someone around.

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Mark & Juanita wrote:
....

While the precipitation line must be somewhere, it is usually not as
abrupt, more of a gradual tapering off from rain to drizzle to mist. The
sharp demarcation of rain/dry is what is interesting.

I know, I spent 30 years in VA/TN where it does rain more generally like
that...I suppose, though, that for those of us who are in the western
states where virtually all of our rainfall is thunderstorm-type and
where we can see for long distances, the phenomenon is so common as to
be expected rather than the unexpected...

I recall one time as a kid sitting in the dining room at noon while it
rained out the west windows and was dry on the east side--took several
minutes for it to move the other fifteen feet or so required to get to
the other side of the house, too. Usually things aren't that
slow-moving around here, but that particular storm was.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:50:25 -0600, Duane Bozarth
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:40:04 -0500, Silvan
calmly ranted:

Larry Jaques wrote:

through there. Serveral times he stopped and stood in the sunshine
a few yards from a blowing snowstorm, as if there were a wall there
and the storm was contained behind it. Damndest thing he ever saw.

I've seen that too, here in Virginia. Almost like there's some kind of
invisible forcefield keeping the white stuff on the other side of the line.
Very weird.

We get weather like that especially in late spring.

Ditto on Little Rock AFB in the 60s. I'd be on one side of
the street in the sunshine while it rained like hell (80F
summer rain) on the other side of the street, and I could
watch the line of wetness progress slowly toward me. Great
stuff for an 8-year-old.

My brother and I used to complain that Dad would always get rained out
and we would both have to stay out in the field all day...did seem like
that, often, although I'm sure there were instances the other way as
well we selectively forgot!

It's a general phenomenon, of course...the precipitation line has to be
somewhere...it just is most often not where we happen to be standing.

While the precipitation line must be somewhere, it is usually not as
abrupt, more of a gradual tapering off from rain to drizzle to mist. The
sharp demarcation of rain/dry is what is interesting.



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OK, I went and did a google for "freeze protection orchard grove" and
found a nice paper (http://www.smallfruits.org/Weather/frost_freeze.htm)
by The Southern Region Small Fruit Consortium that describes technology
and principles very well...

They also define the "advective freezing" and I see it is simply the
movement of sub-freezing temperatures into the area en masse...under
those circumstances there isn't much one can do. That's a nomenclature
not known to me previously and, as I thought, a semantics issue....we
weren't discussing the same thing.

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message

atmosphere". That's what I recalled. The effect of wind is to enhance
heat transfer, yes, but it doesn't cause the cooled object temperature
to drop below the air temperature...that's against thermo rules.

Rules? ... tell that to somone who had an ill-timed, though relatively
small, investment in a citrus grove operation back in the oil boom, flush,
early 80's and wished like hell that mother nature would have indeed "played
by the rules".

So as to know how those $$'s went away so fast way, I brushed up on the
subject, but it has been a while.

In any event, evaporative cooling _can_ certainly "reduce the temperature of
plant tissue to below the air temperature".

Suspecting that Texas A&M would have a current interest, and something to
say, on the subject of protecting Texas' citrus groves from freezing, and so
you don't take my word for it, here you go:

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/c...cold/L2287.htm

(wish I'd had access to www back then!)

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"Silvan" wrote in message

summer rain) on the other side of the street, and I could
watch the line of wetness progress slowly toward me. Great
stuff for an 8-year-old.

I've seen that too. It's really cool, like one of those cartoons where
the
single rain cloud is following someone around.

When we were kids they had a saying when you saw the phenomenon of rain on
one side of the street, and sunshine on the other:

"The devil is chasing his wife around a stump with a broomstick".

Hadn't thought of that in years ... wonder where it came from?


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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:09:10 -0600, Duane Bozarth
calmly ranted:

Doug Winterburn wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:50:25 -0600, Duane Bozarth wrote:

It's a general phenomenon, of course...the precipitation line has to be
somewhere...it just is most often not where we happen to be standing.

except in Seattle where it rains everywhere, and heavier in the
convergence zone...

It still stops somewhere...

Spent 10 days w/ daughter in Olympia couple of weeks ago now...saw the
sun once while there for about 30 minutes...

Doesn't the Olympic Rainforest get something like 240 inches annually?
Amazing!


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"Silvan" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:

summer rain) on the other side of the street, and I could
watch the line of wetness progress slowly toward me. Great
stuff for an 8-year-old.

I've seen that too. It's really cool, like one of those cartoons where
the
single rain cloud is following someone around.


Used to see that years ago when traveling to AZ. Going through TX & NM you
could see for miles and watch those thunderstorms go across the highway
miles ahead of you. By the time you got there, the road was wet for a mile
or two, then back to dry road again. Once we saw where some unfortunate slid
off the road into a 6' deep ditch, then kept driving down the ditch for
about 3mi trying to find a way out until they got stopped at a crossing.
Only way they were going to get out was a tow.

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:35:48 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:

Doesn't the Olympic Rainforest get something like 240 inches annually?
Amazing!

The Olympic mountains are what creates the convergence zone. The Pacific
weather moves in and hits the Olympics giving the amazing rainfall there.
The mountains also force weather north and south heading east, and this
weather "converges", usually somewhere from north Seattle to Everett to
give that "enhanced" rainfall.

- Doug

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Duane Bozarth wrote:

It's a general phenomenon, of course...the precipitation line has to be
somewhere...it just is most often not where we happen to be standing.

True. I was going to mention that earlier this morning, but didn't quite
work it in. As a truck driver I see this quite often. There's a line on
the road. One side is bright and sunny, and the other is a deluge, like
driving straight into a wall of water. Or the reverse too. It's not
terribly rare at all.

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Larry Jaques wrote:
....
Doesn't the Olympic Rainforest get something like 240 inches annually?
Amazing!

Don't know the precisely although the Time/Life series of US
geographical areas says about 150" (the bookshelf happens to be right
over there... ). Let's see if the Smoky Mountains is given...I'm
thinking it's in the 85-inch neighborhood if I recall correctly...no,
that's not given there although some of the top elevations also qualify
as temperate rain forest (although not in spades like Olympic).

Testy , aren't we? Sounds like you jumped on your ass to try and save the
world from something evil on the horizon.

I said nothing about the wind, that's your addition. Tilt away in
ignorance, or look up what I told you. If the mist blows away, they're
not/can't be misting well enough to hold the dewpoint. Simple enough even
for you?

You quoted what I wrote, but obviously read what you wanted to see.


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...
"George" wrote in message

Simple fact - can't get colder than the dewpoint. By misting, they
raise,
or at least hold the dewpoint. If they get significant evaporative
cooling,
they're not misting well enough. With a high RH, evaporation is nil.

Well George, you could trot your ass down to the Rio Grande Valley and
become St George overnight by teaching them with that superior
knowledge/attitude.

An even "simple(r) fact" - Your ignorance of advective freezing is
showing.
Have you ever tried to "mist" in a high wind?

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"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...

Sure, one can't keep all water in the air if it's blowing hard, but the
same principle holds...even an ice layer over the tree can be an
insulating blanket that helps if the air temperature isn't too cold too
long and it's not at the most critical juncture...

Anyway, not to get too carried away...

Indeed, the technique of spraying to ice the surface is used to prevent the
more dangerous formation of ice crystals in the cells of the blossoms or
fruit, where lower temperatures are required due to the depressed freezing
point caused by solutes.

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:35:48 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:

Doesn't the Olympic Rainforest get something like 240 inches annually?
Amazing!

The Olympic mountains are what creates the convergence zone. The Pacific
weather moves in and hits the Olympics giving the amazing rainfall there.
The mountains also force weather north and south heading east, and this
weather "converges", usually somewhere from north Seattle to Everett to
give that "enhanced" rainfall.


Yep, the reason for the abundant rainfall is the elevation and cooling of
moisture-laden air - can't be colder than the dewpoint without raining - by
the mountains. Spills into the gaps with enhancement.

Then there's the rain shadow on the other side extending through the
intermountain region.

We get 240 inches per year too, but it's snow. The areas of squalls south
of the lake (Superior) are easily predicted by the direction and velocity of
the wind, and influenced by the lay of the land.

"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message
...
Used to see that years ago when traveling to AZ. Going through TX & NM you
could see for miles and watch those thunderstorms go across the highway
miles ahead of you. By the time you got there, the road was wet for a mile
or two, then back to dry road again. Once we saw where some unfortunate
slid
off the road into a 6' deep ditch, then kept driving down the ditch for
about 3mi trying to find a way out until they got stopped at a crossing.
Only way they were going to get out was a tow.


More common where the rain is a result of sudden downdraft from storms,
versus frontal activity, which spreads for miles. I imagine everyone has
experienced the sudden cooling prior to a thunderstorm, and many of those
who fly have felt low altitude microbursts. Lot of airports are putting in
Doppler now to warn aircraft close to the ground of their potential for
becoming part of it.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:24:22 -0500, George wrote:


Yep, the reason for the abundant rainfall is the elevation and cooling of
moisture-laden air - can't be colder than the dewpoint without raining -
by the mountains. Spills into the gaps with enhancement.

Then there's the rain shadow on the other side extending through the
intermountain region.

True - Sequim (pronounced squim), a little town on the northeast side of
the Olympic peninsula is in the shadow (aka banana belt), and get about
one third of the rainfall as Seattle.

- Doug

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"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...

Sure, one can't keep all water in the air if it's blowing hard, but the
same principle holds...even an ice layer over the tree can be an
insulating blanket that helps if the air temperature isn't too cold too
long and it's not at the most critical juncture...

Just to add some fuel to the fi
I was *told* when touring the Ocean Spray facility in Plymouth, MA that the
reason they flood the cranberry bogs in winter is to protect the plants.
Apparently they can withstand being in frigid water or encased in ice, but
frost will damage them.

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:29:24 -0600, Duane Bozarth
wrote:

Mark & Juanita wrote:
...

While the precipitation line must be somewhere, it is usually not as
abrupt, more of a gradual tapering off from rain to drizzle to mist. The
sharp demarcation of rain/dry is what is interesting.

I know, I spent 30 years in VA/TN where it does rain more generally like
that...I suppose, though, that for those of us who are in the western
states where virtually all of our rainfall is thunderstorm-type and
where we can see for long distances, the phenomenon is so common as to
be expected rather than the unexpected...

I recall one time as a kid sitting in the dining room at noon while it
rained out the west windows and was dry on the east side--took several
minutes for it to move the other fifteen feet or so required to get to
the other side of the house, too. Usually things aren't that
slow-moving around here, but that particular storm was.

Having grown up on the plains of Colorado, and now living in Tucson
(where it does rain occasionally), as well as spending 17 years in Dallas,
the majority of rain changes I recall went from intermittent drops to
sprinkle to downpour, then back again. Tucson certainly seems to have more
of the abrupt demarcations than either Dallas or the Denver area. In
Colorado, I do know that the rain was often localized, i.e. while in town
we would experience heavy, but once we turned onto the dirt road home
(about 10 miles from town), we'd be kicking up dust. Even in those cases
though, the transition was more gradual than the rain/no rain demarcations
being discussed.


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"George" wrote in message
Testy , aren't we? Sounds like you jumped on your ass to try and save
the
world from something evil on the horizon.

I said nothing about the wind, that's your addition.

I absolutely agree, George .. since it _is_ an essential component of what
was under discussion, your "saying nothing about the wind" pointed
_directly_ to your ignorance of the subject

Tilt away in
ignorance, or look up what I told you. If the mist blows away, they're
not/can't be misting well enough to hold the dewpoint. Simple enough even
for you?

You quoted what I wrote, but obviously read what you wanted to see

That's because when you take away your superior-than-thou attitude, there
was nothing left but ignorant conjecture.

"Misting" a citrus grove is a very complicated business if it is to be
sucessful. What you "wrote" is not even in the ballpark.

Kiss my ass again, George.

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:49:30 -0700, Doug Winterburn
calmly ranted:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:35:48 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:

Doesn't the Olympic Rainforest get something like 240 inches annually?
Amazing!

The Olympic mountains are what creates the convergence zone. The Pacific
weather moves in and hits the Olympics giving the amazing rainfall there.
The mountains also force weather north and south heading east, and this
weather "converges", usually somewhere from north Seattle to Everett to
give that "enhanced" rainfall.

And that's precisely why I'll always prefer to live on the leeward
side of any mountains in the area. It's more sunny and a lot drier.


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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:06:19 -0500, Silvan
calmly ranted:

Duane Bozarth wrote:

It's a general phenomenon, of course...the precipitation line has to be
somewhere...it just is most often not where we happen to be standing.

True. I was going to mention that earlier this morning, but didn't quite
work it in. As a truck driver I see this quite often. There's a line on
the road. One side is bright and sunny, and the other is a deluge, like
driving straight into a wall of water. Or the reverse too. It's not
terribly rare at all.

That happened to me in New Mexico a few years back. It was hot and
dry (100°+) when all of a sudden I drove under a thunderhead and
had to hit the wipers on FULL SPEED for about 3 blocks, then all
was dry as a bone for the next 100 miles. I had just bypassed Deming
and was heading up the S-26 shortcut to I-25 north when it hit,
right between Florida and Nutt. A raven was flying down the street
toward me about 10' above the white line and just after it passed me,
the wall of water hit me. I could see the cloud shadow on the ground
but couldn't see the rain until I was in it. Weird things like that
are hard to forget. I never figured out what it was trying to tell me
but I slowed down a whole lot that day. insert TwiZo music here


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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:21:19 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:

And that's precisely why I'll always prefer to live on the leeward side of
any mountains in the area. It's more sunny and a lot drier.

Depends on how close to the mountains you are on the leeward side. Get a
little too far away, and you are in the convergence zone. Of course, this
only applies to a lump of mountains like the Olympics, not a wall like the
Rockies - unless you are behind a *BIG* lump :-)

- Doug

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Norman D. Crow wrote:

Just to add some fuel to the fi
I was *told* when touring the Ocean Spray facility in Plymouth, MA that
the reason they flood the cranberry bogs in winter is to protect the
plants. Apparently they can withstand being in frigid water or encased in
ice, but frost will damage them.

I've seen that in my pond too. Put the plants under water, no problem. Let
them get covered with frozen spray, no problem, but a hard frost will lay
waste to everything above the water line. Weird.


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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:38:52 -0700, Doug Winterburn
calmly ranted:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:21:19 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:

And that's precisely why I'll always prefer to live on the leeward side of
any mountains in the area. It's more sunny and a lot drier.

Depends on how close to the mountains you are on the leeward side. Get a
little too far away, and you are in the convergence zone. Of course, this
only applies to a lump of mountains like the Olympics, not a wall like the
Rockies - unless you are behind a *BIG* lump :-)

This lovely portion of the Rogue River Valley gets 32 inches annually.
We're leeward of the Coastal Range, nestled between them and the
Cascade Range.


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Mark & Juanita wrote:

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Having grown up on the plains of Colorado, and now living in Tucson
(where it does rain occasionally), as well as spending 17 years in Dallas,
the majority of rain changes I recall went from intermittent drops to
sprinkle to downpour, then back again. Tucson certainly seems to have more
of the abrupt demarcations than either Dallas or the Denver area. In
Colorado, I do know that the rain was often localized, i.e. while in town
we would experience heavy, but once we turned onto the dirt road home
(about 10 miles from town), we'd be kicking up dust. Even in those cases
though, the transition was more gradual than the rain/no rain demarcations
being discussed.
....

Just out of curiousity, which town on the eastern CO plains? We're
about 30 mi from CO line in SW KS...not sure whether you were meaning
you were 10 mi outside Denver or elsewhere.

Anyway, your description is pretty much true most of the time, but on
the high plains where dewpoints are typically low enough that general
rains are the rare exception in the warm months, it's the uplift that
generates the rainfall. When it then falls, the demarcation line is
quite often very abrupt and the "sprinkles" region may be only on the
order of feet rather than significant fractions of a mile.

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message

Just out of curiousity, which town on the eastern CO plains? We're
about 30 mi from CO line in SW KS.

Ahh ... Lamar, CO. You could smell it long before you got there.

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Swingman wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message

Just out of curiousity, which town on the eastern CO plains? We're
about 30 mi from CO line in SW KS.

Ahh ... Lamar, CO. You could smell it long before you got there.

Ahh...Ok, through there just a few weeks ago on way back home...Lamar,
Granada, Holly, Coolidge, Syracuse, Johnson City, ...

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
Swingman wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message

Just out of curiousity, which town on the eastern CO plains? We're
about 30 mi from CO line in SW KS.

Ahh ... Lamar, CO. You could smell it long before you got there.

Ahh...Ok, through there just a few weeks ago on way back home...Lamar,
Granada, Holly, Coolidge, Syracuse, Johnson City, ...

Had an Oil and Gas leasing crew in Lamar for the better part of two years
back in the early 80's, so I made one or two trips a month from Houston.
Mostly flew to Amarillo and drove up through that little bit of OK in a rent
car, but occasionally flew to Denver and rented a plane to fly to Lamar. We
had a crew of about 15 running title and buying leases, with 6 being young
"landladies" fresh out of college. Had a good time .. even though we
eventually had to buy and install our own coffee machine in the Lamar Motel
restaurant kitchen so we could have REAL coffee.

Mighty fine folks in that part of the country, and made some good friends
....reminded me of around Web and Dimmit county, in South West Texas, with
the big ranches and open spaces.

We used to go across the state line to a small bush track in KS for quarter
horse races on Saturdays. Lots of funny stories/memories from that period in
SE Colorado.

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Swingman wrote:

....
Had an Oil and Gas leasing crew in Lamar for the better part of two years
back in the early 80's, so I made one or two trips a month from Houston.
Mostly flew to Amarillo and drove ...
Mighty fine folks in that part of the country, and made some good friends
...reminded me of around Web and Dimmit county, in South West Texas, with
the big ranches and open spaces.

We used to go across the state line to a small bush track in KS for quarter
horse races on Saturdays. Lots of funny stories/memories from that period in
SE Colorado.

Well, as you're undoubtedly well aware, the exploration around here is
getting to be pretty slim, although the higher gas prices are beginning
to show some effect...most of what is going on now is opening old holes
that weren't good enough back in the 50's - 60's, mostly for lack of
sufficient oil vis a vis gas...a few new wells are being drilled now.
All the majors have left the area entirely. The Hugoton field is being
reworked by a bunch of independents w/ doing things like lowering header
pressures even to the point of pulling vacuum...

The track at Syracuse is still there although I noticed that it looked
like the one outside Holly hadn't operated for a number of years...

We're about 180 mi almost straight N of Amarillo...we're just to the
westward edge of the dryland farming region although there's a lot of
circle irrigation, too. As you say, good folk although sparsely settled
as one goes further west into the drier country...

If you ever do the trip from Amarillo again, highly recommend detour to
the Black Mesa area on the OK/NM/CO border west of Boise City...neat
mesa country not too far out of the way and you can head on up 287 w/
just a little jog from Campo...

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message

Well, as you're undoubtedly well aware, the exploration around here is
getting to be pretty slim, although the higher gas prices are beginning
to show some effect...most of what is going on now is opening old holes
that weren't good enough back in the 50's - 60's, mostly for lack of
sufficient oil vis a vis gas...a few new wells are being drilled now.
All the majors have left the area entirely. The Hugoton field is being
reworked by a bunch of independents w/ doing things like lowering header
pressures even to the point of pulling vacuum...

We were chasing the Morrow Sand from whence the Sorrento Field produces. I
still think there is another Sorrento in SE CO, but we drilled three wells
of a thirty well program before the bottom fell out of the business in the
middle 80's.

If pigs had wings and we could of just hung on a little longer and hit, I'd
likely be typing this from a villa in Switzerland. ;)

The track at Syracuse is still there although I noticed that it looked
like the one outside Holly hadn't operated for a number of years...

You woke a sleeping brain cell ... it was indeed Holly where we used to go.
I was raised around running quarter horses and thoroughbreds (my 83 year old
Dad still has a racehorse farm out of Navasota, Tx,
http://www.hsound.com/WSS/ ), so, having an eye for horseflesh, I used to
like scouring the bush tracks wherever I was.

If you ever do the trip from Amarillo again, highly recommend detour to
the Black Mesa area on the OK/NM/CO border west of Boise City...neat
mesa country not too far out of the way and you can head on up 287 w/
just a little jog from Campo...

Did that once ... would love to do it again. Damn, I love that part of the
country. You feel like you have some room to spread your wings.

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Swingman wrote:

....
We were chasing the Morrow Sand from whence the Sorrento Field produces. I
still think there is another Sorrento in SE CO, but we drilled three wells
of a thirty well program before the bottom fell out of the business in the
middle 80's.

If pigs had wings and we could of just hung on a little longer and hit, I'd
likely be typing this from a villa in Switzerland. ;)

Like many others... My brother was in Midland (he's a vet and went
down there during the boom for a fella' who was rolling in dough and
started a thoroughbred stable. Boom went bust and so did the stud
farm...

The track at Syracuse is still there although I noticed that it looked
like the one outside Holly hadn't operated for a number of years...

You woke a sleeping brain cell ... it was indeed Holly where we used to go.
I was raised around running quarter horses and thoroughbreds (my 83 year old
Dad still has a racehorse farm out of Navasota, Tx,
http://www.hsound.com/WSS/ ), so, having an eye for horseflesh, I used to
like scouring the bush tracks wherever I was.

My grandad was a big fan of the flat track races, too. Used to go down
to Raton, NM, which was the closest to us back then. It's a blast,
totally unlike closed course, of course...

If you ever do the trip from Amarillo again, highly recommend detour to
the Black Mesa area on the OK/NM/CO border west of Boise City...neat
mesa country not too far out of the way and you can head on up 287 w/
just a little jog from Campo...

Did that once ... would love to do it again. Damn, I love that part of the
country. You feel like you have some room to spread your wings.

Great, glad to hear you either discovered it on your own or somebody let
the secret out...
Part is now a "park" but it's still remote enough to not be run over.
As a high school kid I used to trailer the horse over there and ride
over weekends if Dad would let me have at least one Saturday
occasionally off the tractor during warm weather. Felt like I was in
heaven!

The west end of that formation is the Johnson Mesa east of Raton. It's
even more remote and well worth a trip along there if you're ever in
Raton area. We came back that way from Santa Fe last summer after the
unusual stretch of wet weather we had starting in June. It was waist
high grass and green all the way from there home in
mid-August...beautiful, and nearly unheard of for that time of year!
(BTW, mountain snows this year are 110-150% normal so far, so just
maybe we're beginning to finally break this 5-year drought cycle...)

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message

If pigs had wings and we could of just hung on a little longer and hit,
I'd
likely be typing this from a villa in Switzerland. ;)

Like many others... My brother was in Midland (he's a vet and went
down there during the boom for a fella' who was rolling in dough and
started a thoroughbred stable. Boom went bust and so did the stud
farm...

Boy howdy, but it was fun while it lasted ... it was nothing for my AE
expense bill to run $5k-10k a month in those days.

Great, glad to hear you either discovered it on your own or somebody let
the secret out...

Over the two year period I had that crew there we managed to find a lot of
places of interest. ... not a lot do in Lamar, Co.

Part is now a "park" but it's still remote enough to not be run over.
As a high school kid I used to trailer the horse over there and ride
over weekends if Dad would let me have at least one Saturday
occasionally off the tractor during warm weather. Felt like I was in
heaven!

Ahh now ... you're making my feet want to get the hell outta Dodge. I've got
to get back in the harness!

Enjoyed the reminiscing, Duane.


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Swingman wrote:
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Enjoyed the reminiscing, Duane.

Me, too...

Now back to--I'm supposed to be doing year-end books but having a
terrible hard time keeping myself on track...

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:44:30 -0600, Duane Bozarth
wrote:

Mark & Juanita wrote:

...
Having grown up on the plains of Colorado, and now living in Tucson
(where it does rain occasionally), as well as spending 17 years in Dallas,
the majority of rain changes I recall went from intermittent drops to
sprinkle to downpour, then back again. Tucson certainly seems to have more
of the abrupt demarcations than either Dallas or the Denver area. In
Colorado, I do know that the rain was often localized, i.e. while in town
we would experience heavy, but once we turned onto the dirt road home
(about 10 miles from town), we'd be kicking up dust. Even in those cases
though, the transition was more gradual than the rain/no rain demarcations
being discussed.
...

Just out of curiousity, which town on the eastern CO plains? We're
about 30 mi from CO line in SW KS...not sure whether you were meaning
you were 10 mi outside Denver or elsewhere.


Near a little town called Hudson -- it's about 30 miles north of Denver,
30 miles East of Boulder and 30 miles southeast of Greeley. My dad grew up
near Flagler, that's *way* eastern Colorado.




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Mark & Juanita wrote:

...(regarding CO upbringing...where)...

Near a little town called Hudson -- it's about 30 miles north of Denver,
30 miles East of Boulder and 30 miles southeast of Greeley. My dad grew up
near Flagler, that's *way* eastern Colorado.

OK, yeah, it's starting to get out there, but it's still quite a way to
Burlington...

Farther north than we are, so don't get that far north when we go to
Denver usually...we cut off at Limon and head on down to Kit Carson...