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Neighbor's Wood-Burning
I have a friendly helpful next-door neighbor here in the woods (PA)
where the zoning ordinance does NOT prohibit open burning. This is a lifelong neighbor (30+) who grew up along with us and with whom we have up until now been on very good terms. (The good terms do not extend to neighbor's wife.) For the past month, our home has REEKED of whatever it is that he has been burning. We live on a dead-end road, but I don't want to give the impression this is, like, Deliverance-style territory. It's just a 70's-era development in the Poconos. We're not concerned that he's burning something necessarily illegal as we are that our home is becoming uninhabitable because of the smoke. I phoned two Saturdays ago. Neighbor's gnarly wife answered, claimed "We've burned twice a week for ten years!" (patently untrue), and that "*I* don't smell a thing." The response, while not out of character for this woman, was a bit more unfriendly than we're used to, even for her. The smoke got even worse, so we actually phoned neighbor's mom, who lives in a house out of line of the drifting smoke. Result was that smoke stopped, and next day, neighbor drives over to apologize and give me a hug. I thought the problem was solved. Two days later, the burning started again. Because neighbor is extremely well-employed, I could see it wasn't a matter of his burning on yet another Monday mid-morning, and I started to wonder if he installed some sort of wood-burning device inside his home whose vent is aimed directly our way. What if anything can we do to settle this nightmare? This would be like something from Seinfeld if it wasn't causing such pain. If we contact him again (and we'll have to do it when we're sure we won't instead get wife-from-Hades), we'll 1) "take back" the friendly reception of our complaint to his Mom, or 2) show that we don't believe his explanation of "just extra wood left over from chopped trees." He would have had to cut down half his lot in order for the burning to be going on this long. Any advice--mechanical, structural, legal, seasonal (!)--desperately needed and appreciated. |
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In article . com,
wrote: Any advice--mechanical, structural, legal, seasonal (!)--desperately needed and appreciated. Drive-by shooting? Or, call a lawyer/county/town hall/zoning officer. We're wood-dorkers, here. |
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In most areas of the Poconos burn barrels are legal to use but most
townships restrict to Saturday burning only. As we say to the complaining New Yorkers who move here, "Welcome to Pennsylvania and this is they way we have always done it." My only concern would be if he was burning pressure treated wood. He might have been burning leaves..... -- Rumpty Radial Arm Saw Forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/woodbutcher/start - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - wrote in message ups.com... I have a friendly helpful next-door neighbor here in the woods (PA) where the zoning ordinance does NOT prohibit open burning. This is a lifelong neighbor (30+) who grew up along with us and with whom we have up until now been on very good terms. (The good terms do not extend to neighbor's wife.) For the past month, our home has REEKED of whatever it is that he has been burning. We live on a dead-end road, but I don't want to give the impression this is, like, Deliverance-style territory. It's just a 70's-era development in the Poconos. We're not concerned that he's burning something necessarily illegal as we are that our home is becoming uninhabitable because of the smoke. I phoned two Saturdays ago. Neighbor's gnarly wife answered, claimed "We've burned twice a week for ten years!" (patently untrue), and that "*I* don't smell a thing." The response, while not out of character for this woman, was a bit more unfriendly than we're used to, even for her. The smoke got even worse, so we actually phoned neighbor's mom, who lives in a house out of line of the drifting smoke. Result was that smoke stopped, and next day, neighbor drives over to apologize and give me a hug. I thought the problem was solved. Two days later, the burning started again. Because neighbor is extremely well-employed, I could see it wasn't a matter of his burning on yet another Monday mid-morning, and I started to wonder if he installed some sort of wood-burning device inside his home whose vent is aimed directly our way. What if anything can we do to settle this nightmare? This would be like something from Seinfeld if it wasn't causing such pain. If we contact him again (and we'll have to do it when we're sure we won't instead get wife-from-Hades), we'll 1) "take back" the friendly reception of our complaint to his Mom, or 2) show that we don't believe his explanation of "just extra wood left over from chopped trees." He would have had to cut down half his lot in order for the burning to be going on this long. Any advice--mechanical, structural, legal, seasonal (!)--desperately needed and appreciated. |
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As we say to the complaining New Yorkers who move here, "Welcome to
Pennsylvania and this is they way we have always done it." Do like we do here in Florida. Tell them, "We don't care how you do it in Florida. Interstate 95 goes north, too." Then we take their Yankee money. Dick Durbin |
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On 15 Dec 2004 08:27:10 -0800, "Olebiker" wrote:
As we say to the complaining New Yorkers who move here, "Welcome to Pennsylvania and this is they way we have always done it." Do like we do here in Florida. Tell them, "We don't care how you do it in Florida. Interstate 95 goes north, too." Then we take their Yankee money. Welcome to Florida. Now, go home! My motto. - - LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net |
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On 15 Dec 2004 17:53:39 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
wrote: LRod responds: Welcome to Florida. Now, go home! My motto. Been there. Was glad to go home. June in Orlando is not as bad as July, but it ain't much fun for fat people. Orlando is horrible. You have to be near a coast for summers to be tolerable. The furthest inland I've lived in my 20+ years here was Jacksonville, but I was young and chasing women, so I didn't notice. Hollywood (in my yout') and Ormond Beach (now), while hot in summer, are quite pleasant, in terms of climate. (I've been hotter in Chicago). Let's just say I'm really glad to be out of South Florida. - - LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net |
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You're entitled to the "quiet enjoyment" of your property. Make some
discreet inquiries to an attorney. |
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Can someone explain that to me?
-Steve "Richard Clements" wrote in message ... that just isn't nice, funny but not nice ) Eddie Munster wrote: Take up ham radio as a hobby......"you'll see". or have one come over and show you how it works..... he will know what to do. |
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Find a nice loud leaf blower. Fire it up and aim it at their house whenever
they are burning. Wear ear protection. Another alternative is to buy a santa suit, stuff it full of fiberglass insulation and when not a creature is stirring on xmas eve bring out a ladder and a broomstick and stuff it down the chimney. They will get the message next time they light up. -j wrote in message ups.com... I have a friendly helpful next-door neighbor here in the woods (PA) where the zoning ordinance does NOT prohibit open burning. This is a lifelong neighbor (30+) who grew up along with us and with whom we have up until now been on very good terms. (The good terms do not extend to neighbor's wife.) For the past month, our home has REEKED of whatever it is that he has been burning. We live on a dead-end road, but I don't want to give the impression this is, like, Deliverance-style territory. It's just a 70's-era development in the Poconos. We're not concerned that he's burning something necessarily illegal as we are that our home is becoming uninhabitable because of the smoke. I phoned two Saturdays ago. Neighbor's gnarly wife answered, claimed "We've burned twice a week for ten years!" (patently untrue), and that "*I* don't smell a thing." The response, while not out of character for this woman, was a bit more unfriendly than we're used to, even for her. The smoke got even worse, so we actually phoned neighbor's mom, who lives in a house out of line of the drifting smoke. Result was that smoke stopped, and next day, neighbor drives over to apologize and give me a hug. I thought the problem was solved. Two days later, the burning started again. Because neighbor is extremely well-employed, I could see it wasn't a matter of his burning on yet another Monday mid-morning, and I started to wonder if he installed some sort of wood-burning device inside his home whose vent is aimed directly our way. What if anything can we do to settle this nightmare? This would be like something from Seinfeld if it wasn't causing such pain. If we contact him again (and we'll have to do it when we're sure we won't instead get wife-from-Hades), we'll 1) "take back" the friendly reception of our complaint to his Mom, or 2) show that we don't believe his explanation of "just extra wood left over from chopped trees." He would have had to cut down half his lot in order for the burning to be going on this long. Any advice--mechanical, structural, legal, seasonal (!)--desperately needed and appreciated. |
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"J" wrote in message ... Find a nice loud leaf blower. Fire it up and aim it at their house whenever they are burning. Wear ear protection. Another alternative is to buy a santa suit, stuff it full of fiberglass insulation and when not a creature is stirring on xmas eve bring out a ladder and a broomstick and stuff it down the chimney. They will get the message next time they light up. -j When out on the roof there arose such a clatter, The neighbour sprang from his bed to see what was the matter. Away to the window he flew like a flash, tore open the shutter, and shot Santa in the Ash. |
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:34:22 +0000, LRod
wrote: On 15 Dec 2004 08:27:10 -0800, "Olebiker" wrote: As we say to the complaining New Yorkers who move here, "Welcome to Pennsylvania and this is they way we have always done it." Do like we do here in Florida. Tell them, "We don't care how you do it in Florida. Interstate 95 goes north, too." Then we take their Yankee money. Welcome to Florida. Now, go home! My motto. Last time I went to Florida was a December to get away from the cold. When I got there, there was an ice storm. All the interstates were closed, hotels were all filled up, and I slept in my (cold) car. Haven't gone back and that was 15 years ago. |
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Do like we do here in Florida. Tell them, "We don't care how you do it
in Florida. Interstate 95 goes north, too." Ya we do the same, if they don't shut up we tell em to take I-80 East... -- Rumpty Radial Arm Saw Forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/woodbutcher/start - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Olebiker" wrote in message ups.com... As we say to the complaining New Yorkers who move here, "Welcome to Pennsylvania and this is they way we have always done it." Do like we do here in Florida. Tell them, "We don't care how you do it in Florida. Interstate 95 goes north, too." Then we take their Yankee money. Dick Durbin |
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Bill Stock wrote:
"J" wrote in message ... Find a nice loud leaf blower. Fire it up and aim it at their house whenever they are burning. Wear ear protection. Another alternative is to buy a santa suit, stuff it full of fiberglass insulation and when not a creature is stirring on xmas eve bring out a ladder and a broomstick and stuff it down the chimney. They will get the message next time they light up. -j When out on the roof there arose such a clatter, The neighbour sprang from his bed to see what was the matter. Away to the window he flew like a flash, tore open the shutter, and shot Santa in the Ash. Yer gonna get a lump of coal. Neener neener neener. |
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No. I am in Ontario, Canada.
I guess I remind you of somebody? John wrote: Eddie Munster wrote: Take up ham radio as a hobby......"you'll see". or have one come over and show you how it works..... he will know what to do. Two things about your responses (and thanks for them!) make me have to ask if you're from Pennsylvania, too. Could the "Eddie" possibly be spelled another way? Very coincidental... |
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Caution everyone.....do not move to Kansas.
We burn the prairies every Spring for brush control & to maintain the quality of grass. Folks from the cities move out to the "beautiful" spaces complain about all the burning, get a lawyer like city folk do.......then next Spring they & their lawyers get burned out by backfires. They usually move back east using I-70 and tell stories of how terrible the people are "out here". The worst pollution to health out here are the lawyers from back East. Just my thoughts under the 1 & 2nd amendmet. |
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Caution everyone.....do not move to Kansas.
We burn the prairies every Spring for brush control & to maintain the quality of grass. In Louisiana, we burn the leaves off the sugar cane before the cane is harvested. Sometimes it looks like black snow when the wind is just right. I'm not sure what happens next. Is all this smoke in the air going to create "nuclear winter" and we need to burn more to stay warm or "global warming" and we need to save the trees for the shade. Roger Poplin dba |
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:47:05 +0000, LRod
wrote: On 15 Dec 2004 17:53:39 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self) wrote: LRod responds: Welcome to Florida. Now, go home! My motto. Been there. Was glad to go home. June in Orlando is not as bad as July, but it ain't much fun for fat people. Orlando is horrible. You have to be near a coast for summers to be tolerable. Spent a week this summer for work near Pensacola; we were within 5 miles of the gulf -- it still sucked. It was hot, but humid then it rained. After it rained, it really got humid. 110 in Tucson -- no problem, 98 in Florida with 100% humidity -- no thanks! The furthest inland I've lived in my 20+ years here was Jacksonville, but I was young and chasing women, so I didn't notice. Hollywood (in my yout') and Ormond Beach (now), while hot in summer, are quite pleasant, in terms of climate. (I've been hotter in Chicago). Let's just say I'm really glad to be out of South Florida. - - LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net |
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I was always told to call the fire department when I smelled smoke. Dick |
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Amazing you can still do that. They're not burning the paddies out in
NorCal like they used to. I can remember days when you couldn't shoot approaches at Beale because of the smoke. You burn your rice straw? "RKP51X" wrote in message ... Caution everyone.....do not move to Kansas. We burn the prairies every Spring for brush control & to maintain the quality of grass. In Louisiana, we burn the leaves off the sugar cane before the cane is harvested. Sometimes it looks like black snow when the wind is just right. I'm not sure what happens next. Is all this smoke in the air going to create "nuclear winter" and we need to burn more to stay warm or "global warming" and we need to save the trees for the shade. Roger Poplin dba |
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Are you talking about Beale Street in SF? Probably standing between Bechtel
and PG&E? max Amazing you can still do that. They're not burning the paddies out in NorCal like they used to. I can remember days when you couldn't shoot approaches at Beale because of the smoke. You burn your rice straw? "RKP51X" wrote in message ... Caution everyone.....do not move to Kansas. We burn the prairies every Spring for brush control & to maintain the quality of grass. In Louisiana, we burn the leaves off the sugar cane before the cane is harvested. Sometimes it looks like black snow when the wind is just right. I'm not sure what happens next. Is all this smoke in the air going to create "nuclear winter" and we need to burn more to stay warm or "global warming" and we need to save the trees for the shade. Roger Poplin dba |
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:46:21 -0600, Scott Altman wrote:
Caution everyone.....do not move to Kansas. We burn the prairies every Spring for brush control & to maintain the quality of grass. Yup. Folks from the cities move out to the "beautiful" spaces complain about all the burning, get a lawyer like city folk do.......then next Spring they & their lawyers get burned out by backfires. Or they complain about the manure smells, yes. Worse, though, are the people who move out, see the real locals burning off their fields, and then decide to do it themselves. They seem to miss the little minor points about picking a day without high winds and when everything is bone-dry. One guy burned up his field, his neighbor's yard, and his neighbor's shed with a classic Harley (fully tricked out and restored) in it. Didn't do much for neighborly relations, I would imagine. One guy, the cheif told him he was going to take his matches away, after having a "controlled burn" get away from the third year in a row. |
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:43:38 -0800, Richard Cline wrote:
I was always told to call the fire department when I smelled smoke. Please don't waste your fire department's time for a bad-neighbor situation. Most of the time, they're at home with their families, and don't have time or interest in getting involved in some neighborly spat. |
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Phisherman wrote: Last time I went to Florida was a December to get away from the cold. When I got there, there was an ice storm. All the interstates were closed, hotels were all filled up, and I slept in my (cold) car. Haven't gone back and that was 15 years ago. Two brothers I know _drove_ from Fairbanks, Alaska to spend Christmas with their parents in Jacksonville, Florida. On the day they arrived in Jacksonville the temperature was 12 F. The high that same day in Fairbanks was 20 F. -- FF |
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there is a family of farmers out in the Moody area that two years in a row
burned down there hey shed, on Christmass day, on there third year the fire department showed up just in case Dave Hinz wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:46:21 -0600, Scott Altman wrote: Caution everyone.....do not move to Kansas. We burn the prairies every Spring for brush control & to maintain the quality of grass. Yup. Folks from the cities move out to the "beautiful" spaces complain about all the burning, get a lawyer like city folk do.......then next Spring they & their lawyers get burned out by backfires. Or they complain about the manure smells, yes. Worse, though, are the people who move out, see the real locals burning off their fields, and then decide to do it themselves. They seem to miss the little minor points about picking a day without high winds and when everything is bone-dry. One guy burned up his field, his neighbor's yard, and his neighbor's shed with a classic Harley (fully tricked out and restored) in it. Didn't do much for neighborly relations, I would imagine. One guy, the cheif told him he was going to take his matches away, after having a "controlled burn" get away from the third year in a row. |
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On 16 Dec 2004 08:35:16 -0800, wrote:
Phisherman wrote: Last time I went to Florida was a December to get away from the cold. When I got there, there was an ice storm. All the interstates were closed, hotels were all filled up, and I slept in my (cold) car. Haven't gone back and that was 15 years ago. Two brothers I know _drove_ from Fairbanks, Alaska to spend Christmas with their parents in Jacksonville, Florida. On the day they arrived in Jacksonville the temperature was 12 F. The high that same day in Fairbanks was 20 F. 12° in Jacksonville is very unusual. I lived there for five years (only a decade after Charlie) and don't remember it ever getting that cold. However, even after ten years in Jamestown, NY, and 26 years in Chicago, I still maintain the coldest I ever felt was one night in Jacksonville when it was 18°. I was sitting in my car, a convertible (yes, the top was UP, dammit), waiting for someone, and I couldn't get warm, even with the heat going. I can still remember it, and it's been 35 years. I think appropriate garments, time of day, and associated weather phenomenon have everything to do with it. I took a 50' tower down one day in Chicago when it was 10°. Down vest, bright sunshine, no wind made it quite comfortable...until I had to put bare hands on steel. - - LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:08:10 GMT, max wrote:
Are you talking about Beale Street in SF? Probably standing between Bechtel and PG&E? max Amazing you can still do that. They're not burning the paddies out in NorCal like they used to. I can remember days when you couldn't shoot approaches at Beale because of the smoke. Naw, he's talking about making approaches to Beale Air Force Base, home of the SR71. - - LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net |
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Old steel worker ? walked the steel for 26 years......nothing colder in
winter, nothing hotter in summer and nothing as unforgiving if one makes a mistake. Wood is much more fun ! |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:17:49 -0600, (Scott Altman)
wrote: Old steel worker ? Nope. Stupider than that. I'm a ham radio operator. Somehow I became the local tower climbing expert. I worked on more than 70 installations while I was living there; several more than once--some (mine included) many times. I won't be able to dazzle you with height, as I'm sure you've worked hundreds of feet higher than I have, but the highest I worked was 140'. Of course it wasn't just building them (and occasionally taking them down); it was also rigging big antennas onto them, too. A typical ham antenna (for HF use) has a boom between 12' and 30' long, and from 2 to 11 elements, as long as 44'. There are bigger ones but I never got involved with them. - - LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net |
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In article ,
LRod writes: phenomenon have everything to do with it. I took a 50' tower down one day in Chicago when it was 10°. Down vest, bright sunshine, no wind ^^ ^^^^ Okay, LRod. Now we know you're lying. OBWW: Last winter I helped a friend make some bookcases. I have a heater in the garage/shop, but at one point we needed to open the door in order to rip down some of the plywood. After the few short minutes to do that, I couldn't feel my fingers any more. -- Jeff Thunder Dept. of Mathematical Sciences Northern Illinois Univ. jthunder at math dot niu dot edu |
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On 17 Dec 2004 15:58:08 GMT, (Jeffrey
Thunder) wrote: In article , LRod writes: phenomenon have everything to do with it. I took a 50' tower down one day in Chicago when it was 10°. Down vest, bright sunshine, no wind ^^ ^^^^ Okay, LRod. Now we know you're lying. But, but, but... Oh, I see; I think your ^^^ were supposed to be under the "no wind" They showed up under "vest, brig" on my reader. Yeah, I can see how you might disbelieve that...ha, ha. Of course I only said Chicago to make it simple. I was actually almost as far out as you; I was in Aurora. I'm not saying there weren't some chilly moments. As I implied in my OP, having to take my gloves off to handle small metal parts was an exercise of very short bursts. That cold-soaked steel was more than a match for my extremeties. - - LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net |
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