AAvK wrote:

That's a neat trick. I wonder how they account for the coffee and donuts
you had for breakfast which adds weight not to mention how much difference
in weight there is between a full tank of gas and an empty one. Please to
explain?
Frank


They take that into account. They know the weight of gas and record how full
the tank is. "They" know how to figure it all in. Same at the Mexican border
but no doubt all the more thoroughly done. Probably a bit more casual up
north.

Alex

I live within 2 miles of the Canadian border. In all the trips I've made into
Canada never once did an inspector on either side of the bridge look at my gas
gauge. My job has required me to be on site while the lanes at the inspection
booths were dug up to install various sensors/detectors since 9/11. There
are/were no scales.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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Lobby Dosser wrote:

So I stop at the US side at Blaine, WA coming back from Vancouver driving
a semi-beat-up 74 Plymouth. Guy with the appearance of a gas jocky at
Chevron (not at all like the neatly uniformed Canadian border types)
wants to know what I bought while I was gone for 3 days. "Nothing I
didn't consume, everything I saw I could buy cheaper at home" says I.
Forty five (45) minutes later they're still searching for something - one
marijuana seed - anything!

Years ago a co-worker rented a cottage in Canada for the summer. One day he
while crossing the border into the US he made the mistake of telling the
inspector to hurry up as he was running a few minutes late for work. They
pulled him over and practically disassembled his car, removing the seats,
dash, upholstery panels, etc. After finding nothing they were kind enough to
loan him a screwdriver so he could put his car back together. He got to work
7 hours late.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

I live within 2 miles of the Canadian border. In all the trips I've made into
Canada never once did an inspector on either side of the bridge look at my gas
gauge. My job has required me to be on site while the lanes at the inspection
booths were dug up to install various sensors/detectors since 9/11. There
are/were no scales.


Well that's good to hear! Do you shop in Canada and bring it all home, no problem?

Alex

Years ago a co-worker rented a cottage in Canada for the summer. One day he
while crossing the border into the US he made the mistake of telling the
inspector to hurry up as he was running a few minutes late for work. They
pulled him over and practically disassembled his car, removing the seats,
dash, upholstery panels, etc. After finding nothing they were kind enough to
loan him a screwdriver so he could put his car back together. He got to work
7 hours late.


.... at least one can smoke a joint in front of a cop B.C. ...a bit more relaxed than here!
(not that I do that myself of course, and I do not)

Alex

Nova wrote:

Lobby Dosser wrote:

So I stop at the US side at Blaine, WA coming back from Vancouver
driving a semi-beat-up 74 Plymouth. Guy with the appearance of a gas
jocky at Chevron (not at all like the neatly uniformed Canadian
border types) wants to know what I bought while I was gone for 3
days. "Nothing I didn't consume, everything I saw I could buy cheaper
at home" says I. Forty five (45) minutes later they're still
searching for something - one marijuana seed - anything!

Years ago a co-worker rented a cottage in Canada for the summer. One
day he while crossing the border into the US he made the mistake of
telling the inspector to hurry up as he was running a few minutes late
for work. They pulled him over and practically disassembled his car,
removing the seats, dash, upholstery panels, etc. After finding
nothing they were kind enough to loan him a screwdriver so he could
put his car back together. He got to work 7 hours late.

LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.

Fortunately I didn't have to reassemble the car. But then, I'd also
managed to return on a Saturday morning when all the Canadians were
headed south to do their grocery shopping so the customs were somewhat
limited time wise.


--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

AAvK wrote:

I live within 2 miles of the Canadian border. In all the trips I've made into
Canada never once did an inspector on either side of the bridge look at my gas
gauge. My job has required me to be on site while the lanes at the inspection
booths were dug up to install various sensors/detectors since 9/11. There
are/were no scales.


Well that's good to hear! Do you shop in Canada and bring it all home, no problem?

Alex

I've never had a problem. Of course I declare everything I purchase as well. In
general you're allowed a duty free exemption for most items up to a total value of
$200 for each person family member that resides in your household and is with you,
provided you've been in Canada less than 48 hour and haven't used the "duty free"
exemption in the last 30 days.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

In article WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03, Lobby Dosser wrote:

LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.

Or uncertainty.

We received some rather close questioning coming into Canada on a vacation.
We'd spent part of our trip fishing and camping, and were intending to do more
after returning to the States. The Canadian customs inspector asked if we were
carrying "any weapons". My split-second of hesitation, as I considered whether
Canadian customs might consider a hammer and various assorted knives to fall
into that category, led to some intense and specific questions regarding
whether we own firearms of any type (yes), handguns (yes), and do we have them
with us (certainly not - I know better than that). I'm still a bit surprised
that they allowed us in *without* a search.

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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:19:13 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03, Lobby Dosser wrote:

LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.

Or uncertainty.

We received some rather close questioning coming into Canada on a vacation.
We'd spent part of our trip fishing and camping, and were intending to do more
after returning to the States. The Canadian customs inspector asked if we were
carrying "any weapons". My split-second of hesitation, as I considered whether
Canadian customs might consider a hammer and various assorted knives to fall
into that category, led to some intense and specific questions regarding
whether we own firearms of any type (yes), handguns (yes), and do we have them
with us (certainly not - I know better than that). I'm still a bit surprised
that they allowed us in *without* a search.

In the context of the purpose of the question, a "no" answer to
whether you owned firearms would have not only been defensible, but
efficient. Since you didn't have any with you (which is what the
concern is), the fact that you do or don't have some sitting at home
is utterly irrelevant and wouldn't/couldn't be checked, and in any
event couldn't be pursued.

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:19:13 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03, Lobby Dosser wrote:

LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.

Or uncertainty.

Or ignorance.

A friend and I were driving up from Seattle to meet another friend at
the Vancouver B.C. airport (cheaper then to fly in and out of Canada
to Europe). We were young (early 20s), driving a hot rod, and clearly
didn't know anything. The only info we had from the friend was the
time he was coming in. We didn't know the airline or flight number or
his address or any other useful stuff. We spent a long time at the
border...

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Only one problem with Alex's arguement. When you go to the USA, you
deal with American Customs. When you return to Canada, you deal with
Canadian Customs, and vice versa.

Scale's for vehicle weight, are intended for the trucks and would not
be accurate enough to demonstrate a ten or twenty pound, let alone
fifty pound change. Scale's are designed for a particular weight
load. Primarily used to determine if a vehicle is loaded over it's
gross weight.

Besides, most of the Canadian Customs staff have already concluded you
have filled up the gas tank, and they would think you were a moron if
you didn't. US fuel taxes are a lot lower. CDN's routinely fill
up. It's almost $20 CDN per tank difference in price.

When I was crossing into the states, the only thing they recorded was
the license plate number and that was to track the frequency of how
often you were crossing into the states and for what purpose. The
greater the frequency, the greater the number of questions they asked
you.






On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:33:16 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
wrote:


"AAvK" wrote in message
news:jYUkd.93102$bk1.59478@fed1read05...

One thing to remember about shopping in the U.S.A. and you try to hide it
in your vehicle, the border patrol take and record the weight of your
vehicle.
Anything you bring back across the border will add weight down to the
ounce.


That's a neat trick. I wonder how they account for the coffee and donuts
you had for breakfast which adds weight not to mention how much difference
in weight there is between a full tank of gas and an empty one. Please to
explain?

Frank

... at least one can smoke a joint in front of a cop B.C. ...a bit more
relaxed than here!
(not that I do that myself of course, and I do not)

A Vancouver cop once told me they basically ignore people in possession of
minor amounts of pot. If you want to get arrested you need to do something
really stupid, like trying to put out the joint on their foreheads.

LRod did say:

Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

Even retards deserve a response.

--
New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule.

LRod did say:

Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

Even retards deserve a response.

--
New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:45:29 -0700, Richard Clements
wrote:

Robert wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:38:29 GMT, Vilpurchasedt and wreck hypocrite "Rob
Stokes" wrote:

Implying I do?

Wipe that stupid g off your face and give it up Robert... If you don't
like the way LV does business, don't do business with them. It's really
that simple. LV's management doesn't have to answer to you or anybody.
It's their company, it's a private company and they can do with it what
they see fit.

It's funny I never read this from you when people call Craftsman (as an
example) tools junk.
I guess there's one set of rules for Sears and another for Lee Valley hey?
g

Lee Valley can do as they like.
And I have the right to point out their crappy business practices in this
group.

Craftmens tools are Junk, and over priced, I've never purchased any tools
from Lee Valley so I don't know about there quality, if there not, he's
VERY proud of them, there a little out of my price range right now. You
have the right to complain, at least I think Canadians still have that
right, just remember it makes you look like a winning ass, and unfairly
adds to the common preception of what Canadains are he in the states

Nah, Robert doesn't make me think any less of Canadians in general.
You all seem like pretty nice folks. Looks like everyone needs to
grab some more tuna, though.

Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

On 12-Nov-2004, SawDust wrote:

It's almost $20 CDN per tank difference in price.

You mean gas is free in the US? Until recently, I had a
hard time getting C$20 worth of gas into my Honda Civic.

Mike

On 12-Nov-2004, Prometheus wrote:

Nah, Robert doesn't make me think any less of Canadians in general.

Canadians are not really any different than other folks. There's
one like Robert in every village.

Mike

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:19:13 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03, Lobby Dosser wrote:

LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.

Or uncertainty.

We received some rather close questioning coming into Canada on a vacation.
We'd spent part of our trip fishing and camping, and were intending to do more
after returning to the States. The Canadian customs inspector asked if we were
carrying "any weapons". My split-second of hesitation, as I considered whether
Canadian customs might consider a hammer and various assorted knives to fall
into that category, led to some intense and specific questions regarding
whether we own firearms of any type (yes), handguns (yes), and do we have them
with us (certainly not - I know better than that). I'm still a bit surprised
that they allowed us in *without* a search.

That was my experience several years ago as well and I didn't hesitate at
the first question. She didn't ask if I *owned* any guns (I would have
found that quite offensive, irrelevant, out of place and none of her
business). However, she must have asked me a dozen different ways whether
I had any guns, weapons, ammunition, or rifles, etc. in the car. I came
very close (wisdom won out however) to saying, "nope, no weapons -- would
you be interested in the box of pine beetles I have in the trunk?" I got
the impression that Canadians are very, very scared of guns. That was the
year they were starting to register ammunition, saw the PSA's of a smiling
husband and wife with the husband happily filling out his registration
form, then putting it into the mail.

patrick conroy wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message
...

A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee

Valley

costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.


You can buy a plane for $350?
Doncha' have an FAA-type-of-thing up there?

PS: Thanks for the cheep Vioxx.


You can have all the vioxx, don't need it anyway.

Rick

Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?


Responding to him is about being involved in the conversation LRod... that's why.
He doesn't seem to be a "retard", merely disgruntled at the prices he and all Canadians
must pay, at 30% higher than U.S. people when Veritas tools are made IN Canada. I
do not blame him one bit because it isn't fair one bit.

Alex

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
om...
In article WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03, Lobby Dosser
wrote:

LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.

Or uncertainty.

We received some rather close questioning coming into Canada on a
vacation.
We'd spent part of our trip fishing and camping, and were intending to do
more
after returning to the States. The Canadian customs inspector asked if we
were
carrying "any weapons". My split-second of hesitation, as I considered
whether
Canadian customs might consider a hammer and various assorted knives to
fall
into that category, led to some intense and specific questions regarding
whether we own firearms of any type (yes), handguns (yes), and do we have
them
with us (certainly not - I know better than that). I'm still a bit
surprised
that they allowed us in *without* a search.

I live in Houston TX, in 1998 my wife, son, and I went into Canada through
Buffalo. My wife rode with her aunt in her car ahead of my son and I. We
were in the Pick Up from Texas. I was asked 5 times if I had any fire arms
and told 2 times the penalties for carrying them in to the country. I guess
because it is common knowledge that all Texans driving pickups carry fire
arms it was way too hard for the kid to believe that I had left my arsenal
at home. Any way, after telling the kid that we had no fire arms for the
5th time he asked me to drive up to the next building where several cars
were parked with their contents being emptied. I played dumb and simply
drove past. Nothing ever became of it but our Burlington relatives got a
good laugh out of it.

Robert wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:16:05 -0500, Waldo2 wrote:


Go back fifteen years when the Canadian dollar was dropping like a boat
anchor into a thousand feet of water. What do you think happened then?


Who cares.

What does that have to do with current Lee Valley pricing policy?

Ever stop to think that maybe LV sells 100 times more product in the
U.S. than Canada and that earns us a bigger discount???

Consider this: our pharmaceuticals charge us double of what you pay for
medications - and I'm sure you purchase medications more frequently than
a Veritas plane! You don't hear us bitching, do ya?

SHEEZ!

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:00:04 -0700, Richard Clements
wrote:

hey Robert I can make you a great deal on some ocean front property in
Arizona, and there's this bridge in Brooklyn that I'll sell for real cheap

I offered to sell him the Niagara Falls, but he just wanted to whine
because I wanted more for the Canadian side than for the American
side.

--
Smert' spamionam

"DamnYankee" wrote in message
...
Robert wrote:

Ever stop to think that maybe LV sells 100 times more product in the U.S.
than Canada and that earns us a bigger discount???

No. That usually only happens when the bigger customer is a single customer
vs. a customer in a different geographical location with lots of customers.
LV's individual single customers probably all buy about the same amount on
average. The bigger sales to a single customer warrants a discount because
of the cost savings in shipping to multiple accounts and bigger savings on
large volume orders to the manufacturer or supplier.


Consider this: our pharmaceuticals charge us double of what you pay for
medications - and I'm sure you purchase medications more frequently than a
Veritas plane! You don't hear us bitching, do ya?


Correct, but uh yeah I hear us bitching. It has been all over the national
news and it is pretty much common knowledge. By contrast, the pricing by LV
is not a national issue.

On 13-Nov-2004, Andy Dingley wrote:

I offered to sell him the Niagara Falls, but he just wanted to whine
because I wanted more for the Canadian side than for the American
side.

You should - the Canadian side is bigger.

Mike

On 13-Nov-2004, DamnYankee wrote:

Consider this: our pharmaceuticals charge us double of what you pay for
medications - and I'm sure you purchase medications more frequently than
a Veritas plane! You don't hear us bitching, do ya?

Actually, you guys are bitching.

However, in Canadian drugs are protected against generics for a longer
period of time. Hence lower price but for a longer time. When the US
generics kick in earlier, you won't want to buy Canadian drugs as they
will still be sold at higher, brand-name pricing. We get cheaper drugs
in the short term but pay in the long term.

Mike

Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
border discovered how great it is!). Someone told us that we couldn't bring it
back with us. Since we had several hours to wait for the ferry to load, we
decided that they couldn't complain if we brought it back IN us! Picture 6 or 8
college students, two cases of dry Canadian cider, a nice cool day (and by the
way a bottle of Crown for variety). The ferry ride was a blast!

Grant



Stephen M wrote:



Booze is OK in modest quantities. My wife has brought back a case of wine on
several occaisions and US boys don't consider it worth thir time to make a
fuss over.

-Steve

Grant Beagles writes:

Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
border discovered how great it is!).

How old are you, Grant? My granddaddies were making hard cider in the very
early 20th century, and late 19th century, I was drinking it more than 50 years
ago, and I'm positive we were far from the first folks south of Canada to try
it.

Charlie Self
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would
promise them missionaries for dinner." H. L. Mencken

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:13:06 -0600, "Grant P. Beagles"
wrote:

Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
border discovered how great it is!). Someone told us that we couldn't bring it
back with us. Since we had several hours to wait for the ferry to load, we
decided that they couldn't complain if we brought it back IN us! Picture 6 or 8
college students, two cases of dry Canadian cider, a nice cool day (and by the
way a bottle of Crown for variety). The ferry ride was a blast!


Good thing it was a calm day, eh ?

That's a pretty ride.

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:03:13 GMT, "Michael Daly"
wrote:

Canadians are not really any different than other folks. There's
one like Robert in every village.

Yes, but in our village we have a pond for him to sit in.

I'm 46. We didn't have cider in Montana that I knew of.

Grant


Charlie Self wrote:

Grant Beagles writes:

Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
border discovered how great it is!).

How old are you, Grant? My granddaddies were making hard cider in the very
early 20th century, and late 19th century, I was drinking it more than 50 years
ago, and I'm positive we were far from the first folks south of Canada to try
it.

Charlie Self
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would
promise them missionaries for dinner." H. L. Mencken

Who said it was calm!



GregP wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:13:06 -0600, "Grant P. Beagles"
wrote:

Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
border discovered how great it is!). Someone told us that we couldn't bring it
back with us. Since we had several hours to wait for the ferry to load, we
decided that they couldn't complain if we brought it back IN us! Picture 6 or 8
college students, two cases of dry Canadian cider, a nice cool day (and by the
way a bottle of Crown for variety). The ferry ride was a blast!


Good thing it was a calm day, eh ?

That's a pretty ride.

"Grant P. Beagles" wrote in
message RCIAL...
I'm 46. We didn't have cider in Montana that I knew of.

Grant


If you have apples in Montana, then someone somewhere had cider. Maybe not
in the grocery store or bar, but somewhere.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:16:06 -0600, "Grant P. Beagles"
wrote:

Who said it was calm!


You have a strong stomach, then !

Grant P. Beagles responds:

'm 46. We didn't have cider in Montana that I knew of.

Grant


Charlie Self wrote:

Grant Beagles writes:

Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C.
We
has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of
the
border discovered how great it is!).

How old are you, Grant? My granddaddies were making hard cider in the very
early 20th century, and late 19th century, I was drinking it more than 50
years
ago, and I'm positive we were far from the first folks south of Canada to
try
it.

I'm 66 and tried my first hard cider in Westchester County about 50 years ago,
but my grandparents were from Kentucky and Virginia, and started their tasting
probably close to 100 years before that.

Hard cider has probably been around since the second apple.

Charlie Self
"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of
nothing."
Redd Foxx

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:49:55 -0800, "J" wrote:


"Grant P. Beagles" wrote in
message RCIAL...
I'm 46. We didn't have cider in Montana that I knew of.

Grant


If you have apples in Montana, then someone somewhere had cider. Maybe not
in the grocery store or bar, but somewhere.



how's that different from applejack?

otforme (Charlie Self) wrote:

Grant P. Beagles responds:

'm 46. We didn't have cider in Montana that I knew of.

Grant


Charlie Self wrote:

Grant Beagles writes:

Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from
Victoria, B.C.
We
has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks
south of
the
border discovered how great it is!).

How old are you, Grant? My granddaddies were making hard cider in
the very early 20th century, and late 19th century, I was drinking
it more than 50
years
ago, and I'm positive we were far from the first folks south of
Canada to
try
it.

I'm 66 and tried my first hard cider in Westchester County about 50
years ago, but my grandparents were from Kentucky and Virginia, and
started their tasting probably close to 100 years before that.

Hard cider has probably been around since the second apple.

They had a hard cider in England (Wiltshire) in the 60s called Scrumpy.
Word was that it couldn't be called Scrumpy unless a rat could walk
across the scum floating at the top of the glass. Word also was that
nobody could drink three pints (English pints) of the stuff and walk away
- word was right.


Charlie Self
"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals
dying of nothing."
Redd Foxx

Lobby Dosser writes:

They had a hard cider in England (Wiltshire) in the 60s called Scrumpy.
Word was that it couldn't be called Scrumpy unless a rat could walk
across the scum floating at the top of the glass. Word also was that
nobody could drink three pints (English pints) of the stuff and walk away
- word was right.

To have some real fun with hard cider, flash freeze a five gallon jug. Tap and
pour off the part that doesn't freeze. Drink that.

Wear knee pads.

Charlie Self
"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of
nothing."
Redd Foxx

Bridger asks:

If you have apples in Montana, then someone somewhere had cider. Maybe not
in the grocery store or bar, but somewhere.



how's that different from applejack?


Applejack is distilled from the hard cider.

Charlie Self
"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of
nothing."
Redd Foxx

otforme (Charlie Self) wrote:

Lobby Dosser writes:

They had a hard cider in England (Wiltshire) in the 60s called
Scrumpy. Word was that it couldn't be called Scrumpy unless a rat
could walk across the scum floating at the top of the glass. Word also
was that nobody could drink three pints (English pints) of the stuff
and walk away - word was right.

To have some real fun with hard cider, flash freeze a five gallon jug.
Tap and pour off the part that doesn't freeze. Drink that.

Wear knee pads.

Next door neighbor in Ohio used to keep it on the back porch all winter.
Kept pouring it off and refreezing. Ouch!


Charlie Self
"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals
dying of nothing."
Redd Foxx

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:58:38 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote:

They had a hard cider in England (Wiltshire) in the 60s called Scrumpy.

There's no scrumpy in Wiltshire. The locals (looking further to the
South West) would lynch anyone who claimed that the pondwater served
by those squaddie types in their poncey uniforms (real men wear smocks
and mint sauce as aftershave) was anything remotely like cider, let
alone scrumpy. If you want real scrumpy, go to Somerset (maybe
Dorset or Herefordshire too). But Wiltshire is a beer county.

We don't use the term "cider" in the UK, at least not in the same way
that Americans do. Our non-alcoholic stuff is called "apple juice"
and all "cider" is fermented. If it's cloudy, strong and has tails
and whiskers in it, it's generally regarded as "scrumpy". The
_strong_ stuff is filtered these days and colourless - "white cider"
or "trampagne". It fills the same evolutionary niche as Everclear does
in the USA, but you can't use it to mix shellac. Calvados (distilled
or freeze distilled) comes from Normandy - for tax reasons, the only
English spirit for the last few centuries has been gin.

Outside the months of July and August, cider isn't drunk. Well, it
is, but only by 15 year olds, tramps, and the incurably rustic. It's a
criminal offence to drink cider in most urban areas. In the
countryside though, it's often accepted as mitigating circumstances in
cases of sheep molestation.



--
'Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu Evesham wagn'nagl fhtagn'