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Handy disposable paper ruler
These are all over the web, but maybe you never thought of using one
in woodworking: http://www.ceismc.gatech.edu/bp/images/ruler.pdf (looks funny in the browser, but works fine after printing) download and print off a few on regular paper on your best print resolution. In conjuction with spray adhesive, they are great for measuring inside curves (for the calculus deficient), or anytime you need a VERY thin measuring device on a flat surface. |
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Neat idea. Thanks.
Just be aware that most printers do not print exactly to scale, especially in the long direction on the paper (i.e., the direction that is perpendicular to the rollers in the printer), which is the direction that matters when printing this ruler out on anything other than a printer than can print 13" wide paper and up. So...after you print it out check it against a ruler that is known to be good. Of course I got a metal ruler from a well know art & graphic design supply company and discovered that it was almost 1/16" off, so even metal rulers can be out of whack! "todd the wood junkie" wrote in message om... These are all over the web, but maybe you never thought of using one in woodworking: http://www.ceismc.gatech.edu/bp/images/ruler.pdf (looks funny in the browser, but works fine after printing) download and print off a few on regular paper on your best print resolution. In conjuction with spray adhesive, they are great for measuring inside curves (for the calculus deficient), or anytime you need a VERY thin measuring device on a flat surface. |
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"Bruce Hooke" wrote in message Of course I got a metal ruler from a well know art & graphic design supply company and discovered that it was almost 1/16" off, so even metal rulers can be out of whack! It makes not a whit of difference as long as it is the only measuring device you use on a project .. or use a story stick and forego "rulers" entirely. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/04/04 |
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"Bruce Hooke" wrote in message news Neat idea. Thanks. Just be aware that most printers do not print exactly to scale, especially in the long direction on the paper (i.e., the direction that is perpendicular to the rollers in the printer), which is the direction that matters when printing this ruler out on anything other than a printer than can print 13" wide paper and up. So...after you print it out check it against a ruler that is known to be good. Actually most printers do print to scale."IF" the software instructs it to. |
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What I have seen when printing plans is that the same drawing printed twice
will match up EXACTLY in the direction that is parallel to the rollers but that there will be subtle variations in the direction that is perpendicular to the rollers. We're talking in the range of 1/64" here so maybe I am just being too picky -- it mostly shows up when I am trying to tile a drawing and then tape together the pieces of paper, which shows up variations very starkly because lines going from one sheet to the next do not match up. What I have always assumed was causing the problem was the slight variations in the friction between the feed rollers and the paper. Since I am seeing variations between printouts of the same drawing printed on the same printer I rather doubt that this is a software or driver issue... "Leon" wrote in message ... "Bruce Hooke" wrote in message news Neat idea. Thanks. Just be aware that most printers do not print exactly to scale, especially in the long direction on the paper (i.e., the direction that is perpendicular to the rollers in the printer), which is the direction that matters when printing this ruler out on anything other than a printer than can print 13" wide paper and up. So...after you print it out check it against a ruler that is known to be good. Actually most printers do print to scale."IF" the software instructs it to. |
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"todd the wood junkie" wrote in message om... These are all over the web, but maybe you never thought of using one in woodworking: http://www.ceismc.gatech.edu/bp/images/ruler.pdf (looks funny in the browser, but works fine after printing) Handy to keep folded up in your wallet for use at any time. I've often used just a plain sheep of paper to estimate a dimension since I know the actual size. |
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"Bruce Hooke" wrote in message ... What I have seen when printing plans is that the same drawing printed twice will match up EXACTLY in the direction that is parallel to the rollers but that there will be subtle variations in the direction that is perpendicular to the rollers. We're talking in the range of 1/64" here so maybe I am just being too picky -- it mostly shows up when I am trying to tile a drawing and then tape together the pieces of paper, which shows up variations very starkly because lines going from one sheet to the next do not match up. What I have always assumed was causing the problem was the slight variations in the friction between the feed rollers and the paper. Since I am seeing variations between printouts of the same drawing printed on the same printer I rather doubt that this is a software or driver issue... On 2 Panasonic dot matrix printers, 2 Canon Ink Jet and 1 HP Ink Jet and using AutoCAD, I am always able to draw 1"=1" out put on tiled drawings. I used this on many occasions on all of these printers to produce exact templates to transfer designs to wood. Using index points to align the pages all lines meet up exactly and are exact in length. Perhaps you are not taking into consideration margins of the printers. |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 02:20:27 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: I've often used just a plain sheep of paper to estimate a dimension since I know the actual size. I've measured plenty of pieces in museums using ruled paper from the notebook I was writing in. Of course this is easier in the UK with feint ruling - our lines are printed light, but go the whole width of the page. -- Smert' spamionam |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:32:54 +0000, Bruce Hooke wrote:
All I can say is that with the printers I have used I have seen the variations I have described over and over again and for the reasons I listed it is pretty clear that this is an issue with the printers not the computer. Not saying it's the case with the example you described earlier, but the moisture content of the paper from day to day can have affect one's results. (I did DTP for a few years.) -- "Keep your ass behind you" |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:47:51 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote:
just a plain sheep of paper to estimate a dimension Simple typos can lead to the most amusing images. I'm thinking Philip K. Dick, here. |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:47:51 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote:
feint ruling - our lines are printed light, but go the whole width of the page. Isn't everyone's? A4, right? Too much coffee: feint lines look like regular faint lines, but don't point where you think they do... |
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On 13 Oct 2004 12:38:13 -0700, (todd the wood
junkie) wrote: These are all over the web, but maybe you never thought of using one in woodworking: http://www.ceismc.gatech.edu/bp/images/ruler.pdf (looks funny in the browser, but works fine after printing) I've just laid my ruler on the photocopier and gotten something that works for rough measurement. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:02:54 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
wrote: feint ruling - our lines are printed light, but go the whole width of the page. Isn't everyone's? A4, right? No - American paper (well Chinese paper as it is now) is often cheap, shiny with far too much filler, and ruled with black dotted lines that stop short of the edges. It doesn't look too bad, but it photocopies dreadfully. If you're a fountain pen user it's getting hard to find decent journals - ink takes an age to dry on this shiny paper. I generally favour Moleskines, but they're a bit small. I should try some of the Lee Valley journals. -- Smert' spamionam |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:20:06 -0700, Tim Douglass wrote:
I've just laid my ruler on the photocopier and gotten something that works for rough measurement. I have an "engineering notebook" which is a spiral-bound notebook with 1/4" grid graph paper for sheets. Works great for this sort of thing, and also for drawing up scale-drawings of projects. Even house-sized projects, come to think of it; the whole thing is drawn up by hand in one that I've got to find again "just because". Dave Hinz |
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(todd the wood junkie) wrote in message . com...
These are all over the web, but maybe you never thought of using one in woodworking: http://www.ceismc.gatech.edu/bp/images/ruler.pdf (looks funny in the browser, but works fine after printing) download and print off a few on regular paper on your best print resolution. In conjuction with spray adhesive, they are great for measuring inside curves (for the calculus deficient), or anytime you need a VERY thin measuring device on a flat surface. If you all want a custom ruler, made up any way you want and rollable, you can create your own in Illustrator or other apropriate program, burn to disc and give it to a film house, who will output your file to film as a positive (black marks on clear film) for a reasonable cost. Much less than the precision metal rulers, and equally as accurate. These outputs are accurate in both dimensions and printed at 2440 dpi, the "dots" (laser exposed squares, actually) are barely discernable at 10x magnification. Since a ruler is so narrow, perhaps you can work a deal with them for a particularly long one, as they may be able to gang it with another job on a normally wasted margin of the film. These people prefer Illustrator, PDF or Quark files for output, but some can handle Corel and In Design as well. I have several of these in my shop, as well as a "protractor", 18" diameter, that I created for better accuracy in setting angles. Gary Graphic Artist (when I can get work!) |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" writes:
just a plain sheep of paper to estimate a dimension since I always heard that too baaaaaad measurements. -- be safe. flip Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch? Remove origin of the word spam from address to reply (leave "+") |
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message If you're a fountain pen user it's getting hard to find decent journals - ink takes an age to dry on this shiny paper. I generally favour Moleskines, but they're a bit small. I should try some of the Lee Valley journals. Never tried Lee Valley. I buy most of my stuff at: www.pendemonium.com |
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Bruce Hooke wrote:
Neat idea. Thanks. Just be aware that most printers do not print exactly to scale, especially in the long direction on the paper (i.e., the direction that is perpendicular to the rollers in the printer), which is the direction that matters when printing this ruler out on anything other than a printer than can print 13" wide paper and up. So...after you print it out check it against a ruler that is known to be good. Of course I got a metal ruler from a well know art & graphic design supply company and discovered that it was almost 1/16" off, so even metal rulers can be out of whack! Can't you get a whack refill kit for when its out? |
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On 14 Oct 2004 10:52:52 -0700, (Gary DeWitt) wrote:
(todd the wood junkie) wrote in message . com... These are all over the web, but maybe you never thought of using one in woodworking: http://www.ceismc.gatech.edu/bp/images/ruler.pdf (looks funny in the browser, but works fine after printing) download and print off a few on regular paper on your best print resolution. In conjuction with spray adhesive, they are great for measuring inside curves (for the calculus deficient), or anytime you need a VERY thin measuring device on a flat surface. If you all want a custom ruler, made up any way you want and rollable, you can create your own in Illustrator or other apropriate program, burn to disc and give it to a film house, who will output your file to film as a positive (black marks on clear film) for a reasonable cost. Much less than the precision metal rulers, and equally as accurate. These outputs are accurate in both dimensions and printed at 2440 dpi, the "dots" (laser exposed squares, actually) are barely discernable at 10x magnification. Since a ruler is so narrow, perhaps you can work a deal with them for a particularly long one, as they may be able to gang it with another job on a normally wasted margin of the film. These people prefer Illustrator, PDF or Quark files for output, but some can handle Corel and In Design as well. I have several of these in my shop, as well as a "protractor", 18" diameter, that I created for better accuracy in setting angles. Gary Graphic Artist (when I can get work!) 0r, as a less expensive alternative, you can print that file or one you scan yourself on a transparency sheet in a laser or ink jet printer.. |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:30:53 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote:
If you're a fountain pen user it's getting hard to find decent journals - ink takes an age to dry on this shiny paper. I generally favour Moleskines, but they're a bit small. I should try some of the Lee Valley journals. Drifting OT here, but look into www.levenger.com. They sell paper for fountain pen users. -- "Keep your ass behind you" |
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todd the wood junkie wrote: These are all over the web, but maybe you never thought of using one in woodworking: http://www.ceismc.gatech.edu/bp/images/ruler.pdf (looks funny in the browser, but works fine after printing) download and print off a few on regular paper on your best print resolution. In conjuction with spray adhesive, they are great for measuring inside curves (for the calculus deficient), or anytime you need a VERY thin measuring device on a flat surface. Thanks I downloaded it. Then I thought why? I already have an scan of my Try-square that I made when testing the focus of the scanner. We'll see which prints out more accurately, scanners can introduce subtle errors in size as well as printers. |
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Prometheus wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:41:41 -0000, (Ron Bean) wrote: (Gary DeWitt) writes: If you all want a custom ruler, made up any way you want and rollable, you can create your own in Illustrator or other apropriate program, burn to disc and give it to a film house, who will output your file to film as a positive (black marks on clear film) for a reasonable cost. Much less than the precision metal rulers, and equally as accurate. Have you tried this recently? Very few printing companies use film anymore. It's all direct-to-plate now-- works like a laserprinter, but puts out an aluminum printing plate instead of film or paper. A few companies can still generate film, but it's dying out fast. You may be right, but you can always print them out on transparency film at home. (At least, last time I checked you could) No doubt an average Kinko's would have some kind of printable plastic, though not necessarily film. Staples, OfficeMax, etc all have transparency film for inkjet and laser printers that is intended for use with overhead projectors. Make sure that the one you get lists your printer as compatible--there are some variations in coating with the inkjet films that make a difference in how the ink takes. Just check after you print and make sure that it's actually accurate--some printers leave a little to be desired in the linearity department and the dimensions aren't always exactly what you thought they would be either. A good stainless steel ruler will last forever (unless it gets stolen), so it's a good investment. If you can't find exactly what you want, a bit of time with Google probably will. Agreed. I like steel rulers- the aluminum ones I'm not so fond of, after bending a couple, but the steel ones are nice. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:07:17 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
wrote: Thanks I downloaded it. Then I thought why? I already have an scan of my Try-square that I made when testing the focus of the scanner. We'll see which prints out more accurately, scanners can introduce subtle errors in size as well as printers. Do scanners work like photocopiers? If so, there is a slight reduction in size in the copy that needs to be adjusted for accuracy. Thunder |
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Rolling Thunder wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:07:17 GMT, "George E. Cawthon" wrote: Thanks I downloaded it. Then I thought why? I already have an scan of my Try-square that I made when testing the focus of the scanner. We'll see which prints out more accurately, scanners can introduce subtle errors in size as well as printers. Do scanners work like photocopiers? If so, there is a slight reduction in size in the copy that needs to be adjusted for accuracy. Thunder Of course or at least close enough. I think you are referring to a copy function. But you don't have to use the copy function, just scan. the result you get is of course a file which has nothing to do with the size of anything. It is your soft ware and printer that will determine how accurate the thing will be when you print it. The paper ruler is just a scan of some ruler. I printed it and the total length was indeed accurate, but using two different rules some of the inch lines in the middle didn't line up. That suggests to me that the ruler ws not flat on the scanner, or was imperfect. I have tested my 99cent HF (3/4 by 16 feet) tape rule and found it highly accurate compared to a Starrett Try-square. I could cut that up and make a bunch of very accurate highly readable scales. BTW, I have a Starrett that is marked as such and a second Try-square which I think is a Starrett and looks exactly like my other Try-square. It is marked on the non grooved side: No. 23 The L.S.S. Co. No. 4 Athol, Mass. U.S.A I am wondering if anyone can tell me where this old try-square fits into the Starrett line and history, if it does. Thanks |
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They still use film to make printed circuit boards. Check out something
called a photoplotter. Many of them print Postscript files, and they are quite accurate. In article , says... (Gary DeWitt) writes: If you all want a custom ruler, made up any way you want and rollable, you can create your own in Illustrator or other apropriate program, burn to disc and give it to a film house, who will output your file to film as a positive (black marks on clear film) for a reasonable cost. Much less than the precision metal rulers, and equally as accurate. Have you tried this recently? Very few printing companies use film anymore. It's all direct-to-plate now-- works like a laserprinter, but puts out an aluminum printing plate instead of film or paper. A few companies can still generate film, but it's dying out fast. A good stainless steel ruler will last forever (unless it gets stolen), so it's a good investment. If you can't find exactly what you want, a bit of time with Google probably will. |
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kenR did say:
They still use film to make printed circuit boards. Check out something called a photoplotter. Many of them print Postscript files, and they are quite accurate. You are correct. I make them all the time from postscript output. It's critical to calibrate your printer/driver. postscript contains scaling information that make it quite accurate. -- New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule. |
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