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![]() What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like. e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:33:47 -0700, Itty wrote:
What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like. e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. If you click on a glue - then click on "specifications" you will see a helpful chart : https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/sear...erOfResults=24 John T. |
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On 4/10/2021 1:33 PM, Itty wrote:
What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like.Â* e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. Try the Gorilla Glue made for wood, NOT the urethane based Gorilla Glue. https://www.gorillatough.com/product/gorilla-wood-glue/ You provably want an actual PVA glue Past that I almost exclusively use Franklin TiteBond III. I only use TiteBond III over other wood glues of this type because it dries to a wood tone color vs. yellow. |
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On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:33:54 AM UTC-7, Itty wrote:
What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like. e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. If there's no pressing reason to expect dribble, just white Elmers works fine. Yellow woodwork glue for neatness. Both are PVA type. Veneers work best with non-water-based, either acetone-type contact cement or Gorilla (polyurethane). If you must glue endgrain, polyurethane is well-behaved compared to the (stronger) PVA water-thinned glues. To re-glaze aluminum windows, I always use liquid nails to install softwood so the glass presses against wood, not metal. And, to redo antiques really requires hide glue. There's two boxes of glues in the shelves next to two boxes of greases and oils... and it's never enough. |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
wrote: On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:33:54 AM UTC-7, Itty wrote: What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like. e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. If there's no pressing reason to expect dribble, just white Elmers works fine. Yellow woodwork glue for neatness. Both are PVA type. Veneers work best with non-water-based, either acetone-type contact cement or Gorilla (polyurethane). If you must glue endgrain, polyurethane is well-behaved compared to the (stronger) PVA water-thinned glues. To re-glaze aluminum windows, I always use liquid nails to install softwood so the glass presses against wood, not metal. And, to redo antiques really requires hide glue. I've run into a problem with PVA-based glues in general, specifically in doors. The problem is that these glues will creep under sustained load, especially if hot, like a sun-baked exterior door. For exterior doors, I ended up adding diagonal turnbuckle braces, to keep the door from sagging farther and farther down, until the swinging edge rested on the floor. But, hide glue would also work - there are many doors in my house that are from the 1930s, that have not sagged. I've also had the problem with multi-lite French doors coming apart, especially at the top, in the corner away from the hinges. ..https://www.doortodoorco.com/products/15-lite-french-door For this, I had the carpenter use hide glue. What would also work are the catalyzed glues used to make wooden boats, like resorcinol. ..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resorcinol_glue Joe Gwinn |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:13:25 -0400, Joe Gwinn
wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd wrote: On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:33:54 AM UTC-7, Itty wrote: What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like. e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. If there's no pressing reason to expect dribble, just white Elmers works fine. Yellow woodwork glue for neatness. Both are PVA type. Veneers work best with non-water-based, either acetone-type contact cement or Gorilla (polyurethane). If you must glue endgrain, polyurethane is well-behaved compared to the (stronger) PVA water-thinned glues. To re-glaze aluminum windows, I always use liquid nails to install softwood so the glass presses against wood, not metal. And, to redo antiques really requires hide glue. I've run into a problem with PVA-based glues in general, specifically in doors. The problem is that these glues will creep under sustained load, especially if hot, like a sun-baked exterior door. For exterior doors, I ended up adding diagonal turnbuckle braces, to keep the door from sagging farther and farther down, until the swinging edge rested on the floor. But, hide glue would also work - there are many doors in my house that are from the 1930s, that have not sagged. I've also had the problem with multi-lite French doors coming apart, especially at the top, in the corner away from the hinges. .https://www.doortodoorco.com/products/15-lite-french-door For this, I had the carpenter use hide glue. What would also work are the catalyzed glues used to make wooden boats, like resorcinol. .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resorcinol_glue Definitely the good stuff. Only glue officially approved for constructing wooden airplanes. Be careful with joint fit though--it's picky. |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:49:56 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:13:25 -0400, Joe Gwinn wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd wrote: On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:33:54 AM UTC-7, Itty wrote: What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like. e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. If there's no pressing reason to expect dribble, just white Elmers works fine. Yellow woodwork glue for neatness. Both are PVA type. Veneers work best with non-water-based, either acetone-type contact cement or Gorilla (polyurethane). If you must glue endgrain, polyurethane is well-behaved compared to the (stronger) PVA water-thinned glues. To re-glaze aluminum windows, I always use liquid nails to install softwood so the glass presses against wood, not metal. And, to redo antiques really requires hide glue. I've run into a problem with PVA-based glues in general, specifically in doors. The problem is that these glues will creep under sustained load, especially if hot, like a sun-baked exterior door. For exterior doors, I ended up adding diagonal turnbuckle braces, to keep the door from sagging farther and farther down, until the swinging edge rested on the floor. But, hide glue would also work - there are many doors in my house that are from the 1930s, that have not sagged. I've also had the problem with multi-lite French doors coming apart, especially at the top, in the corner away from the hinges. .https://www.doortodoorco.com/products/15-lite-french-door For this, I had the carpenter use hide glue. What would also work are the catalyzed glues used to make wooden boats, like resorcinol. .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resorcinol_glue Definitely the good stuff. Only glue officially approved for constructing wooden airplanes. Be careful with joint fit though--it's picky. Hmm. I would have thought that some kinds of Epoxy would be approved for this, as they are widely used for assembling metal airplanes, in particular the skins of pressurized aircraft. Joe Gwinn |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:35:06 -0400, Joe Gwinn
wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:49:56 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:13:25 -0400, Joe Gwinn wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd wrote: On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:33:54 AM UTC-7, Itty wrote: What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like. e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. If there's no pressing reason to expect dribble, just white Elmers works fine. Yellow woodwork glue for neatness. Both are PVA type. Veneers work best with non-water-based, either acetone-type contact cement or Gorilla (polyurethane). If you must glue endgrain, polyurethane is well-behaved compared to the (stronger) PVA water-thinned glues. To re-glaze aluminum windows, I always use liquid nails to install softwood so the glass presses against wood, not metal. And, to redo antiques really requires hide glue. I've run into a problem with PVA-based glues in general, specifically in doors. The problem is that these glues will creep under sustained load, especially if hot, like a sun-baked exterior door. For exterior doors, I ended up adding diagonal turnbuckle braces, to keep the door from sagging farther and farther down, until the swinging edge rested on the floor. But, hide glue would also work - there are many doors in my house that are from the 1930s, that have not sagged. I've also had the problem with multi-lite French doors coming apart, especially at the top, in the corner away from the hinges. .https://www.doortodoorco.com/products/15-lite-french-door For this, I had the carpenter use hide glue. What would also work are the catalyzed glues used to make wooden boats, like resorcinol. .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resorcinol_glue Definitely the good stuff. Only glue officially approved for constructing wooden airplanes. Be careful with joint fit though--it's picky. Hmm. I would have thought that some kinds of Epoxy would be approved for this, as they are widely used for assembling metal airplanes, in particular the skins of pressurized aircraft. Bear in mind that there hasn't been a newly designed wooden aicraft put in commercial production in a rather long time. If somebody wanted to certificate a new one they'd likely get epoxy of some kind approved, but there hasn't been a need. |
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"Itty" wrote in message ...
What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like. e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. For anything resembling fine woodworking or cabinet work I use Tite Bond or Elmer's wood glue... If I want a bit of water resistance I use the Tite Bond II. I haven't found a good reason to use polyurethane glue, e.g., Gorilla Glue, for those purposes. For framing and construction purposes I use the appropriate construction adhesive for the task. |
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On 4/10/2021 9:14 PM, knuttle wrote:
.... I have use and like the foaming Gorilla glue, however I don't use it.Â* I do a lot of biscuits, and was away afraid the expanding foam would crack the wood as it expands in the biscuit slot. I don't know how valid it is but it is my concern. .... What a mess it makes for no real purpose for woodworking unless is something used outside and exposed to weather continuously. The foam is nothing but air bubbles; it isn't going to have the force to do any damage as far as actual use, but I won't touch the stuff except for the rarest of rare cases actually needing something truly waterproof -- and then, I'd probably use one of the resorcinols or similar instead. Not being able to clean up with water is also such a pain for ordinary woodworking. Other than that, I don't have any opinions... -- |
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On 4/10/2021 1:33 PM, Itty wrote:
What glue brand and type do you all use for woodworking ? I tried some but do not like.Â* e.g. Gorilla foaming is a mess. Mostly TB II and III, depending. TB III is almost double the cost so when was doing a lot of work that was a serious factor. Any of the yellow glues are fine; as noted above I avoid the polyurethanes like Gorilla original like the plague over the foaming and cleanup hassles. I've never tried the white Gorilla wood glue; it isn't a poly but I noticed they were terribly proud of it on the shelf in the hardware store the other day. I see no reason to switch from tried and true. As another noted, hide glue has its place for old restoration work and some other uses where repair is foreseen or required. -- |
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On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-7, dpb wrote:
On 4/10/2021 9:14 PM, knuttle wrote: ... I have use and like the foaming Gorilla glue, however I don't use it. I do a lot of biscuits, and was away afraid the expanding foam would crack the wood as it expands in the biscuit slot. The foam is nothing but air bubbles; it isn't going to have the force to do any damage as far as actual use .... Yes, I agree with that. Also, biscuits are (as I understand it) compressed so that water-base glue expands them for proper self-clamping in their sockets. Not being able to clean up with water is also such a pain for ordinary woodworking. Where I do like to use it, is on edging plywood; it can be router-trimmed without gumming up the bit, so trimming away the excess is a painless finishing operation. A warm router bit does NOT work well while cutting through a hot-melting PVA joint. Generous use of masking paper is the other way to make cleanup painless. |
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