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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ Well at least people are starting to finally become aware. Albeit years late. Google has been mining info for years and archiving it. Anything you do on it. "baby cam's hacked all the time. Even the ones with their one private communications. You could drive down a street and pick up on all the camera's, even easier with wifi and a potato chip antennae. Then look at all the cloud hacks, and phone hacks. Banks, stores, all store your data, and your habits, desires, and lifestyles are easily determined by all the shared info. And now, when you post your phone photo's the address is embedded right there. Useful for thieves. you should strip the info before posting anything. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the familys contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:51:06 -0700, OFWW
wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. Cortana's not that bright. It can't even turn on the Amazon music player, let alone buy anything. And part of my job is making bots do things. It's not nearly as simple as TV shows make it out to be. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 6:49:26 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the familys contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. O.k Im gonna Break in here This is all a Gas about Alexa but I think I prefer Alexis "Joan Collins" of Dynasty. That's one B. You'd want on your side and not against You. Just a Thought. rick B. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. For starters http://www.afr.com/technology/the-se...0180516-h1055a https://boingboing.net/2017/09/07/fl...lightning.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...Ax6SMc?ffid=gz |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Fri, 25 May 2018 21:27:16 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:51:06 -0700, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. Cortana's not that bright. It can't even turn on the Amazon music player, let alone buy anything. And part of my job is making bots do things. It's not nearly as simple as TV shows make it out to be. Of course not, but it is getting easier and easier as programs improve. I can remember back when, when we embedded text in pictures, then added "features" to that hidden over several pictures, and then extracted and ran, this was back many years ago, about the time the whole terrorist thing took off in Iraq. Some things are really easy and simple to those who have a bent towards creativity. Even back in the good old DOS days when some said things couldn't be done. LOL. BTW, I have been out of that scene now for years, and now am way behind the times. We all just fade away...... |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Fri, 25 May 2018 22:56:45 -0700, OFWW
wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. For starters http://www.afr.com/technology/the-se...0180516-h1055a https://boingboing.net/2017/09/07/fl...lightning.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...Ax6SMc?ffid=gz This is another one of those FUD deals. You are far more likely to drop dead of a heart attack than be effectively targeted by a cybercriminal working through a device that you possess. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Sat, 26 May 2018 02:25:03 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 22:56:45 -0700, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. For starters http://www.afr.com/technology/the-se...0180516-h1055a https://boingboing.net/2017/09/07/fl...lightning.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...Ax6SMc?ffid=gz This is another one of those FUD deals. You are far more likely to drop dead of a heart attack than be effectively targeted by a cybercriminal working through a device that you possess. Possibly, but I think of all the times when talking that my phone or watch thought I was taking to it and instituted a conversation. "Siri". But then it got me to thinking if I was in a bad situation I could say, Seriously? Call 911? or similar that would open up my phone or watch so the cops could hear and track me down. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Fri, 25 May 2018 23:41:31 -0700, OFWW
wrote: On Sat, 26 May 2018 02:25:03 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 22:56:45 -0700, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. For starters http://www.afr.com/technology/the-se...0180516-h1055a https://boingboing.net/2017/09/07/fl...lightning.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...Ax6SMc?ffid=gz This is another one of those FUD deals. You are far more likely to drop dead of a heart attack than be effectively targeted by a cybercriminal working through a device that you possess. Possibly, but I think of all the times when talking that my phone or watch thought I was taking to it and instituted a conversation. "Siri". But then it got me to thinking if I was in a bad situation I could say, Seriously? Call 911? or similar that would open up my phone or watch so the cops could hear and track me down. In principle you can. In practice I can't get "OK Google" to do anything except get confused. |
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On 5/26/2018 1:25 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 22:56:45 -0700, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the familys contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. For starters http://www.afr.com/technology/the-se...0180516-h1055a https://boingboing.net/2017/09/07/fl...lightning.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...Ax6SMc?ffid=gz This is another one of those FUD deals. You are far more likely to drop dead of a heart attack than be effectively targeted by a cybercriminal working through a device that you possess. Poor example, dropping dead of a heart attach is a very common way of dying, and everyone dies. Maybe the same chance as winning the publishers clearing house sweepstakes. |
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alexa in the shop - Redux
On Sat, 26 May 2018 10:31:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 5/25/2018 8:24 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. Actually it has been on the news. TV commands placing orders with Alexa. Our Echo often responds to the Echo commercials. But that said, if yo did not authorize the purchase, you are not responsible for the purchase. It is best to not let any internet site store your CC number. I use one time CC number when I make purchases on line. CitiCards calls it virtual credit card. That's a great idea but Citi is on my "never do business with under any circumstances" list. |
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On Sat, 26 May 2018 08:52:49 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 23:41:31 -0700, OFWW wrote: On Sat, 26 May 2018 02:25:03 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 22:56:45 -0700, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. For starters http://www.afr.com/technology/the-se...0180516-h1055a https://boingboing.net/2017/09/07/fl...lightning.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...Ax6SMc?ffid=gz This is another one of those FUD deals. You are far more likely to drop dead of a heart attack than be effectively targeted by a cybercriminal working through a device that you possess. Possibly, but I think of all the times when talking that my phone or watch thought I was taking to it and instituted a conversation. "Siri". But then it got me to thinking if I was in a bad situation I could say, Seriously? Call 911? or similar that would open up my phone or watch so the cops could hear and track me down. In principle you can. In practice I can't get "OK Google" to do anything except get confused. On Iphone I did but not with the number 911, for obvious reasons. Even using the word "series" triggers Siri. She can translate into French, and Spanish and maybe one or two other languages for now, but she doesn't always recognize all my words correctly. I love giving text messages by voice. |
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On Sat, 26 May 2018 10:31:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 5/25/2018 8:24 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. Actually it has been on the news. TV commands placing orders with Alexa. Our Echo often responds to the Echo commercials. But that said, if yo did not authorize the purchase, you are not responsible for the purchase. It is best to not let any internet site store your CC number. I use one time CC number when I make purchases on line. CitiCards calls it virtual credit card. I like that idea, and I have been considering switching from WF to it because of all the internal problems they are going through. |
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On Sat, 26 May 2018 13:14:18 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2018 10:31:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 5/25/2018 8:24 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. Actually it has been on the news. TV commands placing orders with Alexa. Our Echo often responds to the Echo commercials. But that said, if yo did not authorize the purchase, you are not responsible for the purchase. It is best to not let any internet site store your CC number. I use one time CC number when I make purchases on line. CitiCards calls it virtual credit card. That's a great idea but Citi is on my "never do business with under any circumstances" list. I feel the same about Bank of America and their rigidity in favoring themselves over the consumer. Can you put a few of your reasons up to think about? |
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On Sat, 26 May 2018 11:51:52 -0700, OFWW
wrote: On Sat, 26 May 2018 13:14:18 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 May 2018 10:31:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 5/25/2018 8:24 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. Actually it has been on the news. TV commands placing orders with Alexa. Our Echo often responds to the Echo commercials. But that said, if yo did not authorize the purchase, you are not responsible for the purchase. It is best to not let any internet site store your CC number. I use one time CC number when I make purchases on line. CitiCards calls it virtual credit card. That's a great idea but Citi is on my "never do business with under any circumstances" list. I feel the same about Bank of America and their rigidity in favoring themselves over the consumer. Can you put a few of your reasons up to think about? Politics. Political correctness. However you want to put it. My business doesn't go to people/groups working directly against my interests, if I can possibly avoid it. I'm sure they don't care about my money but if there are enough of me, they might decide that banking is their business, not politics. |
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On Sat, 26 May 2018 23:07:27 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2018 11:51:52 -0700, OFWW wrote: On Sat, 26 May 2018 13:14:18 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 May 2018 10:31:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 5/25/2018 8:24 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:51:07 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:49:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:01:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:32:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:04:20 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:21:00 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: Because I do not want it in my house. i think the mycroft mark ii will be good because skills can be added by the community instead of waiting for the maker to do it and then they probably never would anyway unless it was to their benefit and had a profit motive My issues is more along the lines of "Why would I want to put a microphone and camera in my house which is connected to the Internet?" Even worse, a camera and microphone that's controlled by Bezos, or similar. I'm not paranoid, I'm convinced. My son gave us a Google speaker for Christmas. It still sits in its box. I have no idea what I would do with such a thing. Paperweight? "A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list..." http://amp.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974 http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/24/amazon-alexa-records-conversation/ FWIW, I have occasionally had to give Cortana time-out after she started talking back to the television. Are you aware that speak commands in audible to people can be embedded in song, music, videos, etc. And it has been shown to be able to instigate an order? Shown by whom? I'd like some more info on that, if only just to protect myself. Can you provide a cite? So it isn't wise to have your CC #'s stored online with various vendors. Actually it has been on the news. TV commands placing orders with Alexa. Our Echo often responds to the Echo commercials. But that said, if yo did not authorize the purchase, you are not responsible for the purchase. It is best to not let any internet site store your CC number. I use one time CC number when I make purchases on line. CitiCards calls it virtual credit card. That's a great idea but Citi is on my "never do business with under any circumstances" list. I feel the same about Bank of America and their rigidity in favoring themselves over the consumer. Can you put a few of your reasons up to think about? Politics. Political correctness. However you want to put it. My business doesn't go to people/groups working directly against my interests, if I can possibly avoid it. I'm sure they don't care about my money but if there are enough of me, they might decide that banking is their business, not politics. Hmmm. Something to think about and consider. I'll have to look for that. I have a tendency to react like you do in this regard. |
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On 5/26/2018 8:52 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 23:41:31 -0700, OFWW wrote: Possibly, but I think of all the times when talking that my phone or watch thought I was taking to it and instituted a conversation. "Siri". But then it got me to thinking if I was in a bad situation I could say, Seriously? Call 911? or similar that would open up my phone or watch so the cops could hear and track me down. In principle you can. In practice I can't get "OK Google" to do anything except get confused. This surprises me. Of all the voice devices I have, Google is by far the best. Rarely does it get confused and I use it all the time. Alexa gets confused often. Voice texting screws up more often than not. My Comcast Voice remote is shaky at best, particularly when telling it to Fast forward 4 minutes (past commercials). Rewind 20 seconds always works though. I think Comcast got in trouble from advertisers as that made it too easy to skip commercials, and what used to work well, now suddenly only works half the time. "OK Google" however never ceases to amaze me how well it works. Often you can watch it correct from what it thought you said to what you really said. Somehow it recognizes the context of your statement and gets it right 99% of the time. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com |
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