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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing thisvideo
http://ezine.woodworking.com/JigBase...Jig/index.html
Notice on the video how long it takes to drill the holes when drilling at this angle and also notice how the pieces don't stay aligned. There was an obvious twist on the corner joint. |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing this video
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... http://ezine.woodworking.com/JigBase...Jig/index.html Notice on the video how long it takes to drill the holes when drilling at this angle and also notice how the pieces don't stay aligned. There was an obvious twist on the corner joint. There were a number of problems... the warped center stile for one. Also it appears that either one or both of the rails on the top and bottom appeared to be warped too. I'll give Ernie the benefit of the doubt on the length of the outside stiles... his process may include flushing the ends and squaring the door after it's assembled. I suspect the warped parts contributed to the alignment problem... That said, the lack of panels suggests this was strictly a demo for pocket screws! John |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing this video
"Leon" wrote: http://ezine.woodworking.com/JigBase...Jig/index.html Notice on the video how long it takes to drill the holes when drilling at this angle and also notice how the pieces don't stay aligned. There was an obvious twist on the corner joint. -------------------------------------------------------- "John Grossbohlin" wrote: There were a number of problems... the warped center stile for one. Also it appears that either one or both of the rails on the top and bottom appeared to be warped too. I'll give Ernie the benefit of the doubt on the length of the outside stiles... his process may include flushing the ends and squaring the door after it's assembled. I suspect the warped parts contributed to the alignment problem... That said, the lack of panels suggests this was strictly a demo for pocket screws! --------------------------------------------------------- Doubt you will ever see pocket screws in a marine application. Salt air will get the screws even though it may take a couple of years. Lew |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing this video
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Doubt you will ever see pocket screws in a marine application. Salt air will get the screws even though it may take a couple of years. Yeahbut most people building things for their homes aren't concerned for marine applications - unless of course, they live on a houseboat... -- -Mike- |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing thisvideo
On 1/14/15 4:46 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: Doubt you will ever see pocket screws in a marine application. Salt air will get the screws even though it may take a couple of years. Yeahbut most people building things for their homes aren't concerned for marine applications - unless of course, they live on a houseboat... http://www.kregtool.com/store/c20/kreg-jigreg-screws/p302/stainless-steel-pocket-hole-screws/ -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing this video
Lew Hodgett wrote: Doubt you will ever see pocket screws in a marine application. Salt air will get the screws even though it may take a couple of years. ---------------------------------------- "-MIKE-" wrote: http://www.kregtool.com/store/c20/kreg-jigreg-screws/p302/stainless-steel-pocket-hole-screws/ --------------------------------------------------- Prices are reasonable. Couldn't find specs but most likely 304, not 316L. By definition, stainless translates into "stain less", not "stainless". Lew |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing thisvideo
On 1/14/2015 3:36 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message ... http://ezine.woodworking.com/JigBase...Jig/index.html Notice on the video how long it takes to drill the holes when drilling at this angle and also notice how the pieces don't stay aligned. There was an obvious twist on the corner joint. There were a number of problems... the warped center stile for one. Also it appears that either one or both of the rails on the top and bottom appeared to be warped too. I'll give Ernie the benefit of the doubt on the length of the outside stiles... his process may include flushing the ends and squaring the door after it's assembled. I suspect the warped parts contributed to the alignment problem... That said, the lack of panels suggests this was strictly a demo for pocket screws! John Absolutely a demo however the rail and stile did not end up on the same plane, the rail was twisted. I think that this indicates that the jig does not sufficiently keep both pieces flat against the work surface. Warped material or not with the Kreg set up and pivoting clamps surfaces you can clamp the joint so that there is no movement. This jig is a jack of all trades but a master at none, it would appear. Good idea with perfect wood but perfect wood is rare. |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing this video
Leon wrote:
http://ezine.woodworking.com/JigBase...Jig/index.html Notice on the video how long it takes to drill the holes when drilling at this angle and also notice how the pieces don't stay aligned. There was an obvious twist on the corner joint. Little help here Leon - where did you see the twist? I looked at it twice (once in full screen) but I couldn't see that. -- -Mike- |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing thisvideo
On 1/14/2015 4:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote: http://ezine.woodworking.com/JigBase...Jig/index.html Notice on the video how long it takes to drill the holes when drilling at this angle and also notice how the pieces don't stay aligned. There was an obvious twist on the corner joint. Little help here Leon - where did you see the twist? I looked at it twice (once in full screen) but I couldn't see that. I saw the twist of the rail during and at the very end. Just at the end, 5:31 and pause. Take a look at both left and right rails where they attach to the stiles. The left one is either not closed or is offset. The right one is twisted a few degrees at 4:55. |
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Wow the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig looks even better after seeing thisvideo
On 1/14/2015 3:30 PM, Leon wrote:
http://ezine.woodworking.com/JigBase...Jig/index.html Notice on the video how long it takes to drill the holes when drilling at this angle and also notice how the pieces don't stay aligned. There was an obvious twist on the corner joint. I have the Kreg Jr. jig; the one that is basically the drill guide alone. You need to clamp it to the work with a separate clamp. I have used the Kreg face clamp and the Kreg AutoMax clamps for both the drilling and for holding the pieces while driving the screws. I also jury-rigged a jig on my bench vise when I had many face frame pieces to drill: https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguar...ream/lightbox/ (The small 1x2 block shows where the actual 1x2 work pieces would go) I have found that in both operations - drilling and driving the screws - tight clamping is essential. When drilling, the rotation of the bit will cause the work piece to move laterally if it is not firmly held in place. This problem is made more likely if you don't have the drill up to speed before it touches the wood. You have to be even more careful when driving the screws. The screw's motion creates a *strong* tendency to twist or shift the pieces out of alignment. I got a couple of the Rockler "Pock-It" clamps at a deep discount, which looked like they would hold the pieces together and keep them flush at the same time. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguar...1013/lightbox/ I have not found them to be adequate. Holding the piece "off center" as these clamps do does not give adequate protection against twisting. I do still use them, but add a face clamp as well: https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguar...ream/lightbox/ And I make the face clamps *tight*. I can't overemphasize this. The pieces will shift given the smallest freedom to do so. Sometimes I take the "suspenders and a belt ...and more suspenders" approach: https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguar...4446/lightbox/ I've now used pocket screws on a number of projects, several times for face frames as in the video. I can say that I'm not surprised that the clamping shown in the video was (evidently) inadequate. I usually preface any "advice" like this by mentioning my relative lack of experience; I don't want to pretend to have expertise. But I don't think I'm using the system incorrectly; it seems to be simply the nature of the beast. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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