On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:16:18 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:



My whole point in all this is that a woodworking store should be selling
square squares and not ones that need adjusted.

Go back another step. The manufacturer should be shipping square
squares to the store.

On 11/26/2014 10:16 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/26/14, 9:12 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 11/25/2014 9:09 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/24/14, 9:18 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 11/24/2014 11:58 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:31:21 -0600, -MIKE- wrote:

A brand new square should be square. I know how to check and
adjust squares. I do it when I drop one... not when I buy
one. :-)

There's a tolerance on all squares. Greatest for a rafter
square, middling for a combination square, and minimal for an
engineering square.

And an engineers square is square on both outside and inside.

And a good engineer helps those with the sloppy framing square to
square their square by punching the inside of the angle or the
outside. That makes the large framer calibrate outward and
inward.

Martin

When you take them off the shelf at Woodcraft and start doing that,
they ask you to leave the store.


It should be done already. The task is done in the field or
elsewhere. Someone always drops their square on one leg and it
changes the angle slightly.

A lot of people just ignore and hope it is close enough until they
buy another.

Martin

I know that and I know how to do it.
My whole point in all this is that a woodworking store should be selling
square squares and not ones that need adjusted.



And what about the customer that pulls one out and drops it?



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Jeff

On 11/27/14, 7:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:16:18 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:



My whole point in all this is that a woodworking store should be selling
square squares and not ones that need adjusted.

Go back another step. The manufacturer should be shipping square
squares to the store.


Yep!


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On 11/27/14, 8:32 AM, woodchucker wrote:
On 11/26/2014 10:16 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/26/14, 9:12 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 11/25/2014 9:09 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/24/14, 9:18 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 11/24/2014 11:58 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:31:21 -0600, -MIKE- wrote:

A brand new square should be square. I know how to check and
adjust squares. I do it when I drop one... not when I buy
one. :-)

There's a tolerance on all squares. Greatest for a rafter
square, middling for a combination square, and minimal for an
engineering square.

And an engineers square is square on both outside and inside.

And a good engineer helps those with the sloppy framing square to
square their square by punching the inside of the angle or the
outside. That makes the large framer calibrate outward and
inward.

Martin

When you take them off the shelf at Woodcraft and start doing that,
they ask you to leave the store.


It should be done already. The task is done in the field or
elsewhere. Someone always drops their square on one leg and it
changes the angle slightly.

A lot of people just ignore and hope it is close enough until they
buy another.

Martin

I know that and I know how to do it.
My whole point in all this is that a woodworking store should be selling
square squares and not ones that need adjusted.



And what about the customer that pulls one out and drops it?


You're right. I'm sure that's what keeps happening in all the stores.
How silly of me to think otherwise.


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I need a few cast iron saw extensions for a project. The SawStop ones
claim to be ground to within .0001. (I will be surprised if they really
are, but very pleased.)

Rockler has them for less, but after the heavy freight charge they are
much more expensive to my door.

Woodcraft shows basic shipping as free saving substantially on the net
cost. Other than the 7-10 day lead time per Woodcraft are there any issues
with Woodcraft?

FYI: This is for a metalworking project, but since the basic frame work
pieces are associated with woodworking tools...

Well, I don't know if I will ever receive the table saw extensions. Atleast
not from WoodCraft.

Their website never showed the order in the history. (Even now) After a
couple days I contacted them and asked when it would ship. I was told it
would ship on Monday. (Last Monday).

I was concerned since there was a hold on my credit card that was larger
than the purchase should have been, so I contacted them to confirm I was
going to get the free shipping indicated on their website. On Tuesday I
received a message saying I was being charged a rather significant amount
for shipping, and wanting to know if I wanted to cancel the order. I
replied that if they had actually already shipped the day before like I had
been told I would accept them and chalk it up as a lesson learned, but if it
had not shipped I wanted to cancel the order, but to please advise me either
way. I never heard back. I know it's a holiday, so I'll wait until Monday
and see. My credit card still shows the hold, but not a charge. I probably
won't buy from WoodCraft on-line again.

Now for the big insult. I have received atleast one SPAM per day from them
ever since the initial order. Some days I received two.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I need a few cast iron saw extensions for a project. The SawStop ones
claim to be ground to within .0001. (I will be surprised if they really
are, but very pleased.)

Rockler has them for less, but after the heavy freight charge they are
much more expensive to my door.

Woodcraft shows basic shipping as free saving substantially on the net
cost. Other than the 7-10 day lead time per Woodcraft are there any
issues with Woodcraft?

FYI: This is for a metalworking project, but since the basic frame work
pieces are associated with woodworking tools...

Well, I don't know if I will ever receive the table saw extensions.
Atleast not from WoodCraft.

Their website never showed the order in the history. (Even now) After a
couple days I contacted them and asked when it would ship. I was told it
would ship on Monday. (Last Monday).

I was concerned since there was a hold on my credit card that was larger
than the purchase should have been, so I contacted them to confirm I was
going to get the free shipping indicated on their website. On Tuesday I
received a message saying I was being charged a rather significant amount
for shipping, and wanting to know if I wanted to cancel the order. I
replied that if they had actually already shipped the day before like I
had been told I would accept them and chalk it up as a lesson learned, but
if it had not shipped I wanted to cancel the order, but to please advise
me either way. I never heard back. I know it's a holiday, so I'll wait
until Monday and see. My credit card still shows the hold, but not a
charge. I probably won't buy from WoodCraft on-line again.

Now for the big insult. I have received atleast one SPAM per day from
them ever since the initial order. Some days I received two.

I continue to receive daily SPAM from Woodcraft. I was too busy taking care
of customers yesterday and today to mess with it, but when I walked around
the front of the shop this evening there was a package from them. It
contained one (1) (not the four (4) I ordered) cast iron wing, and tracking
shows it did not ship when they originally told me it would. This is just a
big cluster. I doubt I'll ever order from them again. Since they don't
have a local store I can speak to the quality of counter staff. My CC still
doesn't show a charge. Just the hold. I have not heard back from Woodcraft
about the situation since last Tuesday.

I have since found two other sources for the same price with free shipping
on this item. Both confirmed free shipping. Woodcraft might be wonderful
in person, but my on-line experience was horrible and its still not over.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I need a few cast iron saw extensions for a project. The SawStop ones
claim to be ground to within .0001. (I will be surprised if they really
are, but very pleased.)

Rockler has them for less, but after the heavy freight charge they are
much more expensive to my door.

Woodcraft shows basic shipping as free saving substantially on the net
cost. Other than the 7-10 day lead time per Woodcraft are there any
issues with Woodcraft?

FYI: This is for a metalworking project, but since the basic frame work
pieces are associated with woodworking tools...

Well, I don't know if I will ever receive the table saw extensions.
Atleast not from WoodCraft.

Their website never showed the order in the history. (Even now) After a
couple days I contacted them and asked when it would ship. I was told it
would ship on Monday. (Last Monday).

I was concerned since there was a hold on my credit card that was larger
than the purchase should have been, so I contacted them to confirm I was
going to get the free shipping indicated on their website. On Tuesday I
received a message saying I was being charged a rather significant amount
for shipping, and wanting to know if I wanted to cancel the order. I
replied that if they had actually already shipped the day before like I
had been told I would accept them and chalk it up as a lesson learned,
but if it had not shipped I wanted to cancel the order, but to please
advise me either way. I never heard back. I know it's a holiday, so
I'll wait until Monday and see. My credit card still shows the hold, but
not a charge. I probably won't buy from WoodCraft on-line again.

Now for the big insult. I have received atleast one SPAM per day from
them ever since the initial order. Some days I received two.

I continue to receive daily SPAM from Woodcraft. I was too busy taking
care of customers yesterday and today to mess with it, but when I walked
around the front of the shop this evening there was a package from them.
It contained one (1) (not the four (4) I ordered) cast iron wing, and
tracking shows it did not ship when they originally told me it would.
This is just a big cluster. I doubt I'll ever order from them again.
Since they don't have a local store I can speak to the quality of counter
staff. My CC still doesn't show a charge. Just the hold. I have not
heard back from Woodcraft about the situation since last Tuesday.

I have since found two other sources for the same price with free shipping
on this item. Both confirmed free shipping. Woodcraft might be wonderful
in person, but my on-line experience was horrible and its still not over.


Well, they have now charged my credit card. For the full amount for four
(4) leaves, and $125 for shipping. I've only received one (1) leaf and it
was shipped AFTER I notified them to cancel the order. To the guy who said
I'ld have to try them to know for sure.... what did I ever do to you? You
could have just told me they were an unethical organization and their
on-line sucks.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in
:



Well, they have now charged my credit card. For the full amount for
four (4) leaves, and $125 for shipping. I've only received one (1)
leaf and it was shipped AFTER I notified them to cancel the order. To
the guy who said I'ld have to try them to know for sure.... what did
I ever do to you? You could have just told me they were an unethical
organization and their on-line sucks.


I'm the guy who said "The only one way to know for sure is to try it.
They should show any additional fees on the checkout page."

I was ONLY talking about the shipping fees. If they didn't add notice of
added shipping fees before you checked out, then by all means call your
CC company and dispute the charge. Might be worth filing a dispute with
the BBB as well.

As a result of your posts, I will not use Woodcraft if I need a large
piece of equipment shipped.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in
:

Well, they have now charged my credit card. For the full amount for
four (4) leaves, and $125 for shipping. I've only received one (1)
leaf and it was shipped AFTER I notified them to cancel the order.

Ship it back. Tell your credit card company the order for
qty 4 was cancelled, the shipment of qty 1 was obviously an
error on Woodcraft's part, you expect Woodcraft to reverse
the charges and you refuse to pay. Your credit card company
should back you up on that.

Woodcraft should also reimburse you for the cost of shipping
it back, but you might have to eat that.

John