Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
woodworking fair I think they called it. All of the bigger
tool/machinery makers were present but also a number of small folks
selling their wares.

This might have been in Gwinnett county.

I am wondering if they still have these types of events and if there
is one coming up. I would like to make the trip.

Thanks

Jim

You're in luck:

http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta

I've attended this show in Baltimore and Milwaukee. Bring money ... Lots of stuff you'll want to take home.

Larry

This year I think it moves back to Sugarloaf Pkwy in Gwinett...the past few have been in Norcross. Being a southsider, I much preferred the shows at the Atl aiport convention center ( very spacious plus plenty of parking) but they were only there 3 or 4 years. I remember a very early one held at the old Atlanta fairgrounds in the halls that have now been converted into movie and tv production. Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss, the Dubby guy, Keller is there sometimes showing his jig,...anyhow I'm looking forward to attending. This might be the year for an Apollo sprayer.

On 2/1/2014 12:18 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
You're in luck:

http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta

I've attended this show in Baltimore and Milwaukee. Bring money ... Lots of stuff you'll want to take home.

Larry



Has that show been better lately? I know that the show has under new
ownership in the last couple of years.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

On 2/1/2014 12:18 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:

http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta

Has that show been better lately? I know that the show has under new
ownership in the last couple of years.

Emphatically YES it has improved.

There were many more vendors and attendees at the Indianapolis show this year than at
any time since about 2008. I had noticed declining attendance and vendor participation for
several years, and feared that the show might be on its way to extinction. It's still not back to
where it was ten years ago -- in particular, Incra and Leigh used to be there every year, and
I haven't seen either one for a long time, and several of our local businesses that used to
exhibit regularly haven't been around for a while either -- but it has rebounded a lot
compared to the last couple of years.

I commented on that to one of the vendors that I've become acquainted with over the past 6-
8 years and suggested that perhaps it was a sign that the economy was improving. He
attributes it instead to the new ownership, saying that the previous owner had [ticked] off a
lot of vendors and the new owner was working hard to mend fences.

Another difference I noticed this year is that the three-hour-long classes (the ones you have
to pay for) are back, after an absence of at least three or four years. There were at least two
taught by Marc Adams at this year's show.

The show has definitely grown quite a bit, compared to the last few years. Still not back to
where it was 12-15 years ago, but much better than 2-4 years ago.

For comparison purposes -- map of Indiana State Fairgrounds he
http://www.in.gov/statefair/fairgrou...ndsMap2013.pdf

The Woodworking Show *used to* fill the South Pavilion (#18 on the map). Somewhere
around 2006, it had shrunk enough that it was moved to the Blue Ribbon Pavilion (#14)
where it remains. Three years ago, it occupied only about 2/3 of that building, and in '12 and
'13 it seemed like just a bit over half the building was used. This year, it wasn't quite full, but
it was close. And on Saturday in particular, there were so many people there that it was hard
to get around -- which was *very* different from last year.

BillinGA wrote in
:

Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....

Bob Jevons (Jevons Tool), Rich Weidler (MicroFence), and Roland Johnson (FWW) are
always fun to talk to.

the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss,

Forrest hasn't been at the Indianapolis show for probably five years. I'll have to look for that
next year.

the Dubby guy,

Is he ill? Poor guy didn't look one bit well at the Indianapolis show this year, like he has
some serious chronic illness. I hope he gets better, else I'll be surprised to see him next
year.

On 2/1/2014 8:50 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

On 2/1/2014 12:18 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:

http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta

Has that show been better lately? I know that the show has under new
ownership in the last couple of years.

Emphatically YES it has improved.

There were many more vendors and attendees at the Indianapolis show this year than at
any time since about 2008. I had noticed declining attendance and vendor participation for
several years, and feared that the show might be on its way to extinction. It's still not back to
where it was ten years ago -- in particular, Incra and Leigh used to be there every year, and
I haven't seen either one for a long time, and several of our local businesses that used to
exhibit regularly haven't been around for a while either -- but it has rebounded a lot
compared to the last couple of years.

I commented on that to one of the vendors that I've become acquainted with over the past 6-
8 years and suggested that perhaps it was a sign that the economy was improving. He
attributes it instead to the new ownership, saying that the previous owner had [ticked] off a
lot of vendors and the new owner was working hard to mend fences.

Another difference I noticed this year is that the three-hour-long classes (the ones you have
to pay for) are back, after an absence of at least three or four years. There were at least two
taught by Marc Adams at this year's show.

The show has definitely grown quite a bit, compared to the last few years. Still not back to
where it was 12-15 years ago, but much better than 2-4 years ago.

For comparison purposes -- map of Indiana State Fairgrounds he
http://www.in.gov/statefair/fairgrou...ndsMap2013.pdf

The Woodworking Show *used to* fill the South Pavilion (#18 on the map). Somewhere
around 2006, it had shrunk enough that it was moved to the Blue Ribbon Pavilion (#14)
where it remains. Three years ago, it occupied only about 2/3 of that building, and in '12 and
'13 it seemed like just a bit over half the building was used. This year, it wasn't quite full, but
it was close. And on Saturday in particular, there were so many people there that it was hard
to get around -- which was *very* different from last year.



GOOD TO HEAR! Thank you for that report.

In Houston the show was always at Reliant Center, held in a rather large
section in one of the areas. That was true for years.

About 4~5 years they moved the show from that central location to about
20 miles WNW to the high school gymnasium in Katy, TX. The room for all
of the vendors was scaled down to about 20% of what they had at the
Reliant Center. Vendors were ****ed and so was I, parking had to be
shared with all of the high schoolers. I complained the first year to
the organizers, a few women, and I was instructed that I was wrong.

The new owners of the Woodworking shows contacted me and informed me of
their acquisition and further indicated that the vendors were ****ed.

AAMOF we did not even have that show last year, one of the gracious area
woodworkers organized and held the show himself. He did that just so
that there would be a show last year and indicated he would never do
that again. He donated a lot of his equipment for the demonstrations.

Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
to spread out and room for more vendors.

On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
to spread out and room for more vendors.

I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest, both
culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David Marks,
New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make room for
the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.

Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008.

--
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Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop
https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 03:46:49 -0800 (PST), BillinGA
wrote:

This year I think it moves back to Sugarloaf Pkwy in Gwinett...the past few have been in Norcross. Being a southsider, I much preferred the shows at the Atl aiport convention center ( very spacious plus plenty of parking) but they were only there 3 or 4 years. I remember a very early one held at the old Atlanta fairgrounds in the halls that have now been converted into movie and tv production. Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss, the Dubby guy, Keller is there sometimes showing his jig,...anyhow I'm looking forward to attending. This might be the year for an Apollo sprayer.


Unless I read something wrong it is going to be in Norcross.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:53:42 -0600, wrote:


Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
woodworking fair I think they called it. All of the bigger
tool/machinery makers were present but also a number of small folks
selling their wares.

This might have been in Gwinnett county.

I am wondering if they still have these types of events and if there
is one coming up. I would like to make the trip.

Thanks

Jim

Thanks to all who replied.

I attended the international show a couple of time when it was in
Atlanta. What a monster that was. More to see that my feet could
stand.

Jim

On 2/1/2014 9:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
to spread out and room for more vendors.

I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest, both
culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David Marks,
New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make room for
the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.

That could have played a part but I suspect that the Houston market is
as good as the other markets where attendance by the vendors and the
woodworkers is much greater.

Plain and simple the move to the gymnasium was the death blow to the
Houston show. The previous organizers/owners were ****ing every one off
and the location was terrible. Way too small, picture the show being
held on something a bit bigger than basket ball court.






Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:53:42 -0600, wrote:


Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
woodworking fair I think they called it. All of the bigger
tool/machinery makers were present but also a number of small folks
selling their wares.

This might have been in Gwinnett county.

I am wondering if they still have these types of events and if there
is one coming up. I would like to make the trip.

There is a woodworking show March 7-9, at the North Atlanta Trade
Center, in Norcross, GA (off I85, just North of I285). You can find
it at their site.

http://www.northatlantatradecenter.com/

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:28:18 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/1/2014 12:18 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
You're in luck:

http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta

I've attended this show in Baltimore and Milwaukee. Bring money ... Lots of stuff you'll want to take home.

Larry



Has that show been better lately? I know that the show has under new
ownership in the last couple of years.

I've been going for the last five years. It has gotten better. The
first year, the Trade Center was split with an antiques show in one
half (SWMBO was happy). After that, the woodworking show took over
the whole facility.

There are a lot of participants but Peachtree Woodworking seems to
have a third of the floor space. ;-)

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 03:46:49 -0800 (PST), BillinGA
wrote:

This year I think it moves back to Sugarloaf Pkwy in Gwinett...the past few have been in Norcross. Being a southsider, I much preferred the shows at the Atl aiport convention center ( very spacious plus plenty of parking) but they were only there 3 or 4 years. I remember a very early one held at the old Atlanta fairgrounds in the halls that have now been converted into movie and tv production. Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss, the Dubby guy, Keller is there sometimes showing his jig,...anyhow I'm looking forward to attending. This might be the year for an Apollo sprayer.

I believe it's still at the North Atlanta Trade Center in Norcross,
unless there is one I don't know about. More information?

I'm a South-sider as well (South-West, off I85) but it's not a big
deal to get to the other side, at least on the weekend. I wasn't here
when they had it by the airport.

My bad. I thought I read it was moving back to Sugarloaf. I'm not a fan of the Norcross site. The aisles are too narrow and are easily jammed during demo's. The Camp Creek facility at the airport had lots of parking ( although they charged for it) and you could pull up to the back to pick up heavy purchases. Worst ever was one year they held it in the Inforum on Williams St downtown. Oh well...back to Norcross it is.

Swingman wrote:
On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
to spread out and room for more vendors.

I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest,
both culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David
Marks, New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make
room for the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.

Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008.

You mean when some of their 401Ks were halved?

On 1/31/2014 11:53 PM, wrote:

Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
woodworking fair I think they called it. All of the bigger
tool/machinery makers were present but also a number of small folks
selling their wares.

This might have been in Gwinnett county.

I am wondering if they still have these types of events and if there
is one coming up. I would like to make the trip.

Thanks

Jim


Here in NJ there were 2 competing shows. And they were watering down the
pool. Lot's of guys did not like one of the shows that was running
things. Can't remember if it was the WOODWORKING SHOWS or the other.

Anyway, our's used to be huge, then it got smaller.. and smaller.. I
thought that it would fail. I stopped going to a bunch of them, like
every other year.


I also drove down to Baltimore years ago. To the cow palace.. It was
much bigger than NJ's. But I have heard that got smaller too.

I think the Yankee Workshop had lot's to do with the numbers believe it
or not. Once it stopped showing on HGTV WW numbers went down. Now that
it is no longer being produced it has caused a lot of would be wood
workers to fade away.

That's just my opinion, not based on anything but my own perception.

--
Jeff

On 2/1/2014 9:56 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
BillinGA wrote in
:

Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....

Bob Jevons (Jevons Tool), Rich Weidler (MicroFence), and Roland Johnson (FWW) are
always fun to talk to.

the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss,

Forrest hasn't been at the Indianapolis show for probably five years. I'll have to look for that
next year.

the Dubby guy,

Is he ill? Poor guy didn't look one bit well at the Indianapolis show this year, like he has
some serious chronic illness. I hope he gets better, else I'll be surprised to see him next
year.

Could be the smoking that he does. He's a chain smoker. And the show
inteferes with that.

--
Jeff

On 2/1/2014 10:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
to spread out and room for more vendors.

I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest, both
culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David Marks,
New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make room for
the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.

I totally agree.

Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008.



--
Jeff

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 09:44:04 -0600, Swingman wrote:

On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
to spread out and room for more vendors.

I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest, both
culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David Marks,
New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make room for
the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.

Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008.

I have no interest in making any money with my woodworking. I just
find making sawdust and playing with tools to be enjoyable. I fully
intend to have a lot of fun with it after I retire (the next and final
time). If everything goes right, that's in four or five years. Maybe
more, if I'm still having fun at work. If it's less, not a huge deal
either.

Swingman wrote:


I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest,
both culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David
Marks, New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make
room for the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.

Oh Geezus Karl - don't start that diversion. Isn't it amazing how stupid
that stuff is? My wife has that crap on at night and when I go up to bed I
can't believe the garbage I am hearing. No quality workmanship spoken of
anymore - just quick stuff that "looks good", or looks good enough to sell
and run. Pure junk! But - the average American housewife seems to be
attracted to it, as does the average American idiot husband.


Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008.

Yup - the "it's easy - I saw it on Norm's show..." crowd. Precisely why one
has to actually put one's hand to a task before falling prey to what they
see on TV.

--

-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" wrote:

Oh Geezus Karl - don't start that diversion. Isn't it amazing how stupid
that stuff is? My wife has that crap on at night and when I go up to bed I
can't believe the garbage I am hearing. No quality workmanship spoken of
anymore - just quick stuff that "looks good", or looks good enough to sell
and run. Pure junk! But - the average American housewife seems to be
attracted to it, as does the average American idiot husband.

Yep, turn on a TV in the house and you can tell who was watching it last.
Women seem to go gaga over those, and the homebuyer schtick.

--
www.ewoodshop.com (Mobile)

On 2/1/2014 5:37 PM, Swingman wrote:
"Mike Marlow" wrote:

Oh Geezus Karl - don't start that diversion. Isn't it amazing how stupid
that stuff is? My wife has that crap on at night and when I go up to bed I
can't believe the garbage I am hearing. No quality workmanship spoken of
anymore - just quick stuff that "looks good", or looks good enough to sell
and run. Pure junk! But - the average American housewife seems to be
attracted to it, as does the average American idiot husband.

Yep, turn on a TV in the house and you can tell who was watching it last.
Women seem to go gaga over those, and the homebuyer schtick.


Yea, I don't understand that home buyer thing. My wife likes watching
that ****. I find no value in it whatsoever.
--
Jeff

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 18:05:08 -0500, woodchucker
wrote:

On 2/1/2014 5:37 PM, Swingman wrote:
"Mike Marlow" wrote:

Oh Geezus Karl - don't start that diversion. Isn't it amazing how stupid
that stuff is? My wife has that crap on at night and when I go up to bed I
can't believe the garbage I am hearing. No quality workmanship spoken of
anymore - just quick stuff that "looks good", or looks good enough to sell
and run. Pure junk! But - the average American housewife seems to be
attracted to it, as does the average American idiot husband.

Yep, turn on a TV in the house and you can tell who was watching it last.
Women seem to go gaga over those, and the homebuyer schtick.


Yea, I don't understand that home buyer thing. My wife likes watching
that ****. I find no value in it whatsoever.

If HGTV were PPV, I'd be broke. It's on the tube now. I'm sitting on
the sofa, so I guess I'm watching it too.

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:28:18 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta

Lee Valley shows the following USA woodworking shows for anybody
interested.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/home/Tradeshows.aspx

Sad to say, the single Canadian show is out in British Columbia.
Doesn't do much good for the rest of the country.

On 2/1/2014 11:38 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:28:18 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta

Lee Valley shows the following USA woodworking shows for anybody
interested.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/home/Tradeshows.aspx

Sad to say, the single Canadian show is out in British Columbia.
Doesn't do much good for the rest of the country.



Take heart in knowing that there is a petition going around to ban
Justin Beiber from the US.

Y'all will have that treasure back! ;!)

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:29:54 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Take heart in knowing that there is a petition going around to ban
Justin Beiber from the US.

Y'all will have that treasure back! ;!)

Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

On 2/2/2014 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:29:54 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Take heart in knowing that there is a petition going around to ban
Justin Beiber from the US.

Y'all will have that treasure back! ;!)

Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.


It does not matter what any one says, Lindsey Lohan is Canadian. There,
take that!

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 14:58:04 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:29:54 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Take heart in knowing that there is a petition going around to ban
Justin Beiber from the US.

Y'all will have that treasure back! ;!)

Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
once had.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 21:46:16 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
once had.

Well, I can dream.

On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
once had.



And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a mother
compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley Cirus.

On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
once had.



And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a mother
compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley Cirus.

Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.

--
Jeff

woodchucker wrote:
On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
once had.



And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
Cirus.

Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.

Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to upsurp that
position. What a tramp!

--

-Mike-

On 2/3/2014 11:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
once had.



And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
Cirus.

Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.

Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to upsurp that
position. What a tramp!


I think that Disney turns them into F'd up kids, which turn into F'd up
adults.

--
Jeff

On 2/3/2014 11:35 AM, woodchucker wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
once had.



And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
Cirus.

Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.

Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to
upsurp that
position. What a tramp!


I think that Disney turns them into F'd up kids, which turn into F'd up
adults.


But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of an
out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.

--
Jeff

woodchucker wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in
prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further
embarrassment as they roam around destroying any semblance of
decorum that Canada once had.



And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
Cirus.

Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.

Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to
upsurp that position. What a tramp!


I think that Disney turns them into F'd up kids, which turn into F'd
up adults.

I'm not sure it has anything at all to do with Disney. I think it's a lot
more about our society in general. For instance - the growing lack within
our societ to speak out against any behaviors. You know - we have to
"understand them" and all that crap. I'm reminded of an NFL player who is
****ing and moaning about being bullied - a freakin' NFL player! The
sissification of society has just gone way too far.

--

-Mike-

woodchucker wrote:


But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.

The latter part of that statement being the most meaningful in my opinion.

--

-Mike-

On 2/3/2014 12:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, wrote:
Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.

Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in
prison.

Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further
embarrassment as they roam around destroying any semblance of
decorum that Canada once had.



And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
Cirus.

Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.

Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to
upsurp that position. What a tramp!


I think that Disney turns them into F'd up kids, which turn into F'd
up adults.

I'm not sure it has anything at all to do with Disney. I think it's a lot
more about our society in general. For instance - the growing lack within
our societ to speak out against any behaviors. You know - we have to
"understand them" and all that crap. I'm reminded of an NFL player who is
****ing and moaning about being bullied - a freakin' NFL player! The
sissification of society has just gone way too far.


Agreed.

--
Jeff

On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:07:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

woodchucker wrote:


But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.

Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
type but seems to be alright otherwise.

The latter part of that statement being the most meaningful in my opinion.

I think it's deeper than that. The parents go nuts over the fame and
fortune (which they steal from the child) and it pollutes their whole
life. I thought Cyrus' parents were better than that but I was way
wrong.