We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.

I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly

Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?

Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.

wrote in message
...
We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were
uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.

I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly

Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?

Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the
poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.

What species of wood are you trying to stain? Maple is so hard that it does
not absorb stain readily, even when it does it is not deep, a scratch can
expose the almost white wood through your dark stain. Other woods will
absorb stains more or less depending on species. I think india ink would not
be a good idea for a floor. Too difficult to control, it is opaque not
transparent and it is water based, it won't like being applied over an oil
stain. Another coat of stain would be a lot easier.

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:54:24 PM UTC-5, EXT wrote:
wrote in message

...

We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based

stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were

uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.



I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:

Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain

Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly



Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?



Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the

poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.



What species of wood are you trying to stain? Maple is so hard that it does

not absorb stain readily, even when it does it is not deep, a scratch can

expose the almost white wood through your dark stain. Other woods will

absorb stains more or less depending on species. I think india ink would not

be a good idea for a floor. Too difficult to control, it is opaque not

transparent and it is water based, it won't like being applied over an oil

stain. Another coat of stain would be a lot easier.



They are mesquite floors.
We will try your idea of another coat of stain...should we try and only restain areas that are lighter? Or do you we just stain the whole uneven floor? What about our idea for adding some stain to first layer of poly?

On 3/21/2013 5:08 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:54:24 PM UTC-5, EXT wrote:
wrote in message

...

We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based

stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were

uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.



I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:

Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain

Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly



Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?



Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the

poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.



What species of wood are you trying to stain? Maple is so hard that it does

not absorb stain readily, even when it does it is not deep, a scratch can

expose the almost white wood through your dark stain. Other woods will

absorb stains more or less depending on species. I think india ink would not

be a good idea for a floor. Too difficult to control, it is opaque not

transparent and it is water based, it won't like being applied over an oil

stain. Another coat of stain would be a lot easier.



They are mesquite floors.
We will try your idea of another coat of stain...should we try and only restain areas that are lighter? Or do you we just stain the whole uneven floor? What about our idea for adding some stain to first layer of poly?



YOU ARE STAINING MESQUITE FLOORS????????/?????????

Do you know what they would look like with a clear finish?

Normally I say do what you want but you have a premium wood floor
because of the way it looks naturally.

On 3/21/2013 5:41 PM, Leon wrote:

YOU ARE STAINING MESQUITE FLOORS????????/?????????

Do you know what they would look like with a clear finish?

Normally I say do what you want but you have a premium wood floor
because of the way it looks naturally.

Hey smartass ... I'm sure they look great with painted cherry cabinets!



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On 3/21/2013 5:41 PM, Leon wrote:


They are mesquite floors.
We will try your idea of another coat of stain...should we try and
only restain areas that are lighter? Or do you we just stain the whole
uneven floor? What about our idea for adding some stain to first
layer of poly?



YOU ARE STAINING MESQUITE FLOORS????????/?????????

Do you know what they would look like with a clear finish?

Normally I say do what you want but you have a premium wood floor
because of the way it looks naturally.




OK I have to go a bit farther.

Pick something you are really into, I'll give a few examples of what is
going on here.

Like Cars,

Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint and
repaint your brand new Rolls.

Like jewelery with Diamonds?

Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch
repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret
diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.

Like Gucci products?

Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with
your "bedazzler kit".

Like wood floors?

Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of
its beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.


Sorry, I am now at a loss.....

On 3/21/2013 5:08 PM, wrote:
They are mesquite floors.
We will try your idea of another coat of stain...should we try and only restain areas that are lighter? Or do you we just stain the whole uneven floor? What about our idea for adding some stain to first layer of poly?

You would be better off, IME, concentrating on the lighter areas IF you
have the expertise. Just adding more stain to the entire floor is just
going to keep most of the contrast between the light and dark intact.

Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate
solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.

Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you
are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some
competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.

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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote

Like Cars,

Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint and
repaint your brand new Rolls.

Like jewelery with Diamonds?

Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch
repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret
diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.

Like Gucci products?

Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with your
"bedazzler kit".

Like wood floors?

Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of its
beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.

With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a
redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home
country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired
craftsmanship. ;-)

"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote

Like Cars,

Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint
and repaint your brand new Rolls.

Like jewelery with Diamonds?

Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch
repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret
diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.

Like Gucci products?

Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with
your "bedazzler kit".

Like wood floors?

Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of
its beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.

With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a
redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home
country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired craftsmanship. ;-)

LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the best of
all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move more than
2% from tree to floor.

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:24:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote



Like Cars,



Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint

job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint

and repaint your brand new Rolls.



Like jewelery with Diamonds?



Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch

repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret

diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front

teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.



Like Gucci products?



Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with

your "bedazzler kit".



Like wood floors?



Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of

its beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.



With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a

redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home

country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired craftsmanship. ;-)



LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the best of

all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move more than

2% from tree to floor.


So sorry to make everyone so upset. We just love dark floors and the mesquite that was in this house was a light orange color...with that being said the wood is beautiful...just did not stain well....

So I have another question...we still have only 1 coat of minwax stain on floor, can we use zinsser dewaxed seal coat and stir in india ink (water based) thoroughly then apply to floors. Then apply two coats of oil based poly?

wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:24:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote



Like Cars,



Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option
paint

job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex
paint

and repaint your brand new Rolls.



Like jewelery with Diamonds?



Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local
watch

repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4
caret

diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your
front

teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.



Like Gucci products?



Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it
with

your "bedazzler kit".



Like wood floors?



Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide
all of

its beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.



With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can
become a

redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down
home

country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this
inspired craftsmanship. ;-)



LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the
best of

all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move
more than

2% from tree to floor.


So sorry to make everyone so upset. We just love dark floors and the
mesquite that was in this house was a light orange color...with that
being said the wood is beautiful...just did not stain well....

So I have another question...we still have only 1 coat of minwax
stain on floor, can we use zinsser dewaxed seal coat and stir in
india ink (water based) thoroughly then apply to floors. Then apply
two coats of oil based poly?

If you just have to have it black, skip the fussing around and get some
black poly. Thin it down and apply until you have the color you want; if
less than 5-6 coats, top with clear poly. You need four normal coats of
poly for floors; three if you skimp.

I guess you could do what you suggested, you are just mixing the ink into
shellac but India ink isn't cheap. You could also just add black universal
tint to clear oil poly.

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On 3/22/2013 1:54 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:24:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote



Like Cars,



Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint

job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint

and repaint your brand new Rolls.



Like jewelery with Diamonds?



Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch

repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret

diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front

teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.



Like Gucci products?



Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with

your "bedazzler kit".



Like wood floors?



Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of

its beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.



With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a

redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home

country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired craftsmanship. ;-)



LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the best of

all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move more than

2% from tree to floor.


So sorry to make everyone so upset.


Ok, for the record I think I was the only one that was upset. ;~)
Sorry, it is your floor to do with what you will.


We just love dark floors and the mesquite that was in this house was a
light orange color...with that being said the wood is beautiful...just
did not stain well....


Perhaps that is a sign!


So I have another question...we still have only 1 coat of minwax stain on floor, can we use zinsser dewaxed seal coat and stir in india ink (water based) thoroughly then apply to floors. Then apply two coats of oil based poly?


You will continue to get numerous suggestions as to how to proceed. I
suggest you take Swingman's suggestion and get a pro involved. Get some
one else to paint your Rolls. ;~)

On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, wrote:
We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.

I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly

Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?

Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.


I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
"orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
clear, water based finish of poly.

Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(

On Mar 21, 6:03*pm, Swingman wrote:

Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate
solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.

Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you
are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some
competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.

Best advice so far. No reason to comment further.

I have done awful things to wood and wood products so that I can make
my house payments. I am not proud of myself, but I figured that if I
didn't do it, someone would.

There are things I can never understand, and blacking out mesquite s
one of them. A nice toner would have pulled the whole floor together
as one color... but never black.

It is hard to remember that in matters of taste, the customer is
always right...

Robert

On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:
On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, wrote:
We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they
were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.

I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly

Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?

Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to
the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.


I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
"orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
clear, water based finish of poly.

Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(



Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.

On 3/22/2013 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, Swingman wrote:

Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate
solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.

Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you
are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some
competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.

Best advice so far. No reason to comment further.

I have done awful things to wood and wood products so that I can make
my house payments. I am not proud of myself, but I figured that if I
didn't do it, someone would.

There are things I can never understand, and blacking out mesquite s
one of them. A nice toner would have pulled the whole floor together
as one color... but never black.

It is hard to remember that in matters of taste, the customer is
always right...

Robert



Why do I keep thinking that this floor may be in a rental property and
the owners are unaware of what is going on?

On 3/22/2013 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:
On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:
On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, wrote:
We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they
were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.

I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly

Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?

Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to
the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure
poly.


I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
"orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
clear, water based finish of poly.

Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(



Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.

Leon, I'm trying to picture that. It's been awhile since I've had any
Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". ;-)

On 3/22/2013 1:44 PM, MaxD wrote:
On 3/22/2013 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:
On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:
On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, wrote:
We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they
were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.

I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly

Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?

Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to
the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure
poly.


I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
"orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
clear, water based finish of poly.

Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(



Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.

Leon, I'm trying to picture that. It's been awhile since I've had any
Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". ;-)



LOL Absolutely not orange but a fresh cut or sanded spot on much is
brown with a cast towards yellowy red. :~)

https://www.google.com/search?q=mesq...Hhyg G-nIGwCQ

On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:51:59 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/22/2013 10:12 AM, wrote:

On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, Swingman wrote:



Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate

solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.



Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you

are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some

competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.



Best advice so far. No reason to comment further.



I have done awful things to wood and wood products so that I can make

my house payments. I am not proud of myself, but I figured that if I

didn't do it, someone would.



There are things I can never understand, and blacking out mesquite s

one of them. A nice toner would have pulled the whole floor together

as one color... but never black.



It is hard to remember that in matters of taste, the customer is

always right...



Robert







Why do I keep thinking that this floor may be in a rental property and

the owners are unaware of what is going on?

We own our house.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 1:44:16 PM UTC-5, MaxD wrote:
On 3/22/2013 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:

On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:

On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, wrote:

We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based

stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they

were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.



I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:

Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain

Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly



Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?



Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to

the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure

poly.





I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the

grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that

the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.

Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it

"orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for

you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a

clear, water based finish of poly.



Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(







Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.



Leon, I'm trying to picture that. It's been awhile since I've had any

Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". ;-)

Well our mesquite floor in OUR house was a light mesqhite wich was a light brown orangy tint.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 7:12:37 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, March 22, 2013 1:44:16 PM UTC-5, MaxD wrote:

On 3/22/2013 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:



On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:



On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, wrote:



We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based



stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they



were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.







I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:



Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain



Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly







Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?







Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to



the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure



poly.











I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the



grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that



the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.



Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it



"orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for



you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a



clear, water based finish of poly.







Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(















Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.







Leon, I'm trying to picture that. It's been awhile since I've had any



Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". ;-)



Well our mesquite floor in OUR house was a light mesqhite wich was a light brown orangy tint.




Update:
Ok I think I understand that I shouldn't use india ink. I will forget about that.

What about if I mix 1:4 ratio of same minwax stain and oil based poly and do one coat...especially in areas that are lighter, then apply coat of oil based poly by itself on top.
Would that work?

Also before doing that I was thinking of using a rag damped with mineral spirits to lightly remove a little stain in one area that is specifically way darker than the rest...

Does anyone think that process would turn out ok?

On 3/22/2013 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:51:59 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/22/2013 10:12 AM, wrote:

On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, Swingman wrote:



Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate

solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.



Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you

are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some

competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.



Best advice so far. No reason to comment further.



I have done awful things to wood and wood products so that I can make

my house payments. I am not proud of myself, but I figured that if I

didn't do it, someone would.



There are things I can never understand, and blacking out mesquite s

one of them. A nice toner would have pulled the whole floor together

as one color... but never black.



It is hard to remember that in matters of taste, the customer is

always right...



Robert







Why do I keep thinking that this floor may be in a rental property and

the owners are unaware of what is going on?

We own our house.


Ok. ;~) We certainly appreciate your thick skin and putting up with
us/me and our/my unyielding opinion about what you are doing.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 3:36:45 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
LOL Absolutely not orange but a fresh cut or sanded spot on much is brown with a cast towards yellowy red. :~) https://www.google.com/search?q=mesq...Hhyg G-nIGwCQ

I don't know that I've ever seen any mesquite. Looks pretty darn nice, to me. I often visit this website. It has a variety of samples for comparisons of woods. http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:24:15 -0500, Leon wrote:

"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote

Like Cars,

Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint
and repaint your brand new Rolls.

Like jewelery with Diamonds?

Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch
repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret
diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.

Like Gucci products?

Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with
your "bedazzler kit".

Like wood floors?

Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of
its beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.

With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a
redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home
country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired craftsmanship. ;-)

LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the best of
all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move more than
2% from tree to floor.

In my lumber stash is Mesquite, and brown mesquite, and I can't
imagine anything other then a clear finish.

Mike M

wrote:

Well our mesquite floor in OUR house was a light mesqhite wich was a
light brown orangy tint.

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The obvious solution is to install black carpeting.

The owners get the color floor they want and the floor
gets protected from an owner who truly doesn't appreciate
what they have.

Lew

On Mar 22, 7:12*pm, wrote:

Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". *;-)

Well our mesquite floor in OUR house was a light mesqhite wich was a light brown orangy tint.

There are a lot of variations of color when working with mesquite, and
a lot has to do with the exact specimen. In the artists colonies
north of here, there was a thriving business in mesquite furniture of
all sizes and types, kitchen ware, cutting boards, and just about
anything you can think of. Flooring was/is still pretty popular, just
unaffordable for most.

Since it is a native here in South Texas, there is all manner of uses
for it. Some folks burn it, some barbecue with it, and personally, I
like to chuck it up and turn it on the lathe. It is extremely tough
and hard, and like Leon said, the shrinkage from green to dry is
almost nonexistent.

I have seen fire engine red mesquite, brown mesquite (barbecued with
that stuff), pink, orange red, orange yellow, etc. In fact there is
so much variation on the coloring the folks that sell it around here
no longer let you select your pieces based on color since the red
stuff is the most popular. They wind up with a lot of the brown stuff
that isn't really popular or dynamic.

If I were you and were still going to color that floor, I would use
deck paint. Sherwin Williams has some great stuff and they have it in
satin, semi gloss and gloss. If memory serves correctly, they even
have black.

Although I do finishing and refinishing as part of my living, I
wouldn't try to even out a bad stain job. Not only is there no end to
touching up, but it will never, ever look right. It will always look
second rate. Paint would be easy to apply, and the good stuff wears
like iron.

Robert

wrote:

Update:
Ok I think I understand that I shouldn't use india ink. I will forget
about that.

What about if I mix 1:4 ratio of same minwax stain and oil based poly
and do one coat...especially in areas that are lighter, then apply
coat of oil based poly by itself on top. Would that work?

Possibly, if the vehicle in the stain is compatible with the poly. But why
not just apply more stain?

Also before doing that I was thinking of using a rag damped with
mineral spirits to lightly remove a little stain in one area that is
specifically way darker than the rest...

Does anyone think that process would turn out ok?

If the vehicle in the stain is oil (most likely) and the oil has cured,
mineral spirits won't dissolve it. Doing what you propose may physically
remove some stain from the surface just by abrasion. You can do the same
thing with any abrasive material...sand paper, sanding sponge, steel wool,
etc.


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Does anyone think that process would turn out ok?


I would suggest you go with a dye. You can dye the wood directly or you can dye it using atoning process by adding it to a poly or shellac.

Use liquid Transtint dye. It is made by Homestead Finishing www.homesteadfinishingproducts.com. They have black. It can be mixed with water or alcohol for direct application. Maybe 10-20 drops per pint of liquid. I would use water. Alcohol dries to fast and can leave streaks. Alcohol is very flammable. Rag it on, just soak a rag and keep soaking it. Wear good gloves and long sleeves. It may not like the oil stain being there but it will dye everything. Water will want to seep back out of seams and leave bad dark spots when it dries so keep wiping down until dry, then watch and wipe more. It will look dead and dull when it dries but one drop of poly and it will be beautiful.

You can use the same Transtint as a toning agent in shellac or poly but this is much harder to get even and won't wear evenly.

Forget the naysayers. People have been ebonizing wood for centuries so it is a classic design. Also, it is your home and will be beautiful. I say dye it!