I must be getting senile - this is the second time this year I've agreed
with Krauthammer :-).

Of course immigration is one of the issues I've always been conservative
on. I don't think we need any more people from anywhere - I've seen the
population more than double since I started grade school and I don't like
the result.

But, since our entire economy is one big Ponzi scheme ...

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On 2/2/2013 12:13 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
I must be getting senile - this is the second time this year I've agreed
with Krauthammer :-).

Of course immigration is one of the issues I've always been conservative
on. I don't think we need any more people from anywhere - I've seen the
population more than double since I started grade school and I don't like
the result.

But, since our entire economy is one big Ponzi scheme ...

+1


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Larry Blanchard wrote:
I must be getting senile - this is the second time this year I've
agreed with Krauthammer :-).

Of course immigration is one of the issues I've always been
conservative on. I don't think we need any more people from anywhere
- I've seen the population more than double since I started grade
school and I don't like the result.

Ditto. Yet, Big Brother continues to encourage procreation via personal
deductions for one's offspring from your earnings prior to applying tax due.

What they *should* be doing is the reverse...give deductions - or even
credits - for fewer offspring and a higher tax rate for more. The chances
of that happening are way less than Dubya saying, "I was wrong".

Oh, wait...were you limiting population increase to that due to border
jumping?


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On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 15:44:47 -0500, "dadiOH"
What they *should* be doing is the reverse...give deductions - or even
credits - for fewer offspring and a higher tax rate for more. The chances
of that happening are way less than Dubya saying, "I was wrong".

And just as obviously, you don't have a clue what you're talking
about. It's a proven fact that population growth is essential for our
economies to survive.

Now, if want to give up your current status (with all its attendant
rights and privileges) that the North American economy provides, then
maybe your comments may have some merit.

Until that time, you're simply spouting crap.

Larry Blanchard wrote:

I must be getting senile - this is the second time this year I've
agreed with Krauthammer :-).
----------------------------------------------------
Astute observation.
----------------------------------------------------
Of course immigration is one of the issues I've always been
conservative on. I don't think we need any more people from
anywhere
- I've seen the population more than double since I started grade
school and I don't like the result.
----------------------------------------------------
"dadiOH" wrote:

Ditto. Yet, Big Brother continues to encourage procreation via
personal deductions for one's offspring from your earnings prior to
applying tax due.

What they *should* be doing is the reverse...give deductions - or
even credits - for fewer offspring and a higher tax rate for more.
The chances of that happening are way less than Dubya saying, "I was
wrong".

Oh, wait...were you limiting population increase to that due to
border jumping?
--------------------------------------------------------
Sorry guys but the birth rate in the USA has been dropping for at
least the
last 50 years.

http://tinyurl.com/afbjeqc

The above is just one source, there are others.

Do a Google on "USA birth rate" for others.

Biggest problem is the bible thumper fanatics attempting to impact
legislation that attempts to interfere with the interaction
between a woman and her doctor relative to woman's health issues.

Seems the old fart white guys think they should still strive to keep
women second class citizens.

Off the box.

Lew

Larry Blanchard wrote in
:

I must be getting senile - this is the second time this year I've
agreed with Krauthammer :-).

Of course immigration is one of the issues I've always been
conservative on. I don't think we need any more people from anywhere
- I've seen the population more than double since I started grade
school and I don't like the result.

But, since our entire economy is one big Ponzi scheme ...

Because of decreased fertility, we have now many more geezers like me
collecting social security and fewer capable young people working to pay
for that social security. And you want to further decrease the young
population???

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Dave wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 15:44:47 -0500, "dadiOH"
What they *should* be doing is the reverse...give deductions - or
even credits - for fewer offspring and a higher tax rate for more.
The chances of that happening are way less than Dubya saying, "I was
wrong".

And just as obviously, you don't have a clue what you're talking
about. It's a proven fact that population growth is essential for our
economies to survive.

If you are talking about the economy of more, MORE, *MORE* I suppose you are
right. There are other models.

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On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:52:14 -0500, Dave wrote:

And just as obviously, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
It's a proven fact that population growth is essential for our economies
to survive.

That's what I said - a Ponzi scheme.

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Dave wrote:
And just as obviously, you don't have a clue what you're talking
about. It's a proven fact that population growth is essential for our
economies to survive.

I never saw this proved anywhere. I guess whether it's true or not
depends on what you mean by "survive". What did you mean by survive?
And what did
you mean by "our economies", i.e. why the plural? Which ones do you
regard as "ours"?

Essential, huh? You think we need more people? Gosh, and some people
want to close U.S borders! You think they have it backwards?

Bill

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:27:06 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:52:14 -0500, Dave wrote:

And just as obviously, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
It's a proven fact that population growth is essential for our economies
to survive.

That's what I said - a Ponzi scheme.


The biggest is Social Security. The money I've paid in for 50 years is
not mine in an account. It was given away to those older and I'm going
to rely on the younger generation. Scary, huh.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

The biggest is Social Security. The money I've paid in for 50 years
is
not mine in an account. It was given away to those older and I'm
going
to rely on the younger generation. Scary, huh.
----------------------------------------------------
Say what you will, it's been working for almost 80 years, aided along
by the tobacco industry which has killed who knows how many before
they reached retirement age.

Lew

On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:10:23 -0500, Bill
wrote:



Essential, huh? You think we need more people? Gosh, and some people
want to close U.S borders! You think they have it backwards?

Bill

I'd answer yes and no.

Our country was built on immigrants that brought skills, their labor
and yes, their buying power to create a demand for goods we make. That
makes an economy grow and be strong.

What does not though, is illegal immigrants that come and use all of
our facilities and pay nothing towards it. If you want to come and
work, OK with me, but if you only want to make babies and get
freebies, stay home.

If you come and work and don't pay taxes, you are at least doing a
necessary chore and being a consumer. It is when you just take and do
not give that upsets people. As for taking American jobs, I doubt
that in most cases. I never met anyone that wanted a career picking
lettuce in the hot sun. It was not a course in my school.

On 02/03/2013 01:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:27:06 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:52:14 -0500, Dave wrote:

And just as obviously, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
It's a proven fact that population growth is essential for our economies
to survive.

That's what I said - a Ponzi scheme.


The biggest is Social Security. The money I've paid in for 50 years is
not mine in an account. It was given away to those older and I'm going
to rely on the younger generation. Scary, huh.


Not only that, but all the excess you paid into the SS trust fund was
transferred to the general fund and spent - leaving about $3 trillion of
IOUs in the trust fund.

And to add to it, the SS and Medicare tax holiday for those younger
workers essentially defunded both programs for several years.


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On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:10:23 -0500, Bill
And what did
you mean by "our economies", i.e. why the plural? Which ones do you
regard as "ours"?

North American economies Bill. Basically the US and Canada. Slightly
different but essentially the same.

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 07:47:02 -0500, "dadiOH"
If you are talking about the economy of more, MORE, *MORE* I suppose you are
right. There are other models.

Sure there are other models. But I have to wonder what percentage of
people would be prepared to experience life in one of those 'other
models' knowing about this one?

I have to question whether you'd be prepared to switch to one of those
other models. Computers, technology, woodworking machinery, even
advanced health care could well be gone in one of your 'other models'.

The current model we live in is factually keeping me alive. In some
of, perhaps many of those other models you speak about, people with my
medical needs would have died off a long time ago. I wouldn't want to
live in many of those other models, even if I didn't have my current
medical requirements.

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:27:43 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
Say what you will, it's been working for almost 80 years, aided along
by the tobacco industry which has killed who knows how many before
they reached retirement age.

But, like all ponzi schemes, it will eventually collapse from it's own
weight and hurt an incredibly large amount of people.

Dave wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:27:43 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
Say what you will, it's been working for almost 80 years, aided along
by the tobacco industry which has killed who knows how many before
they reached retirement age.
But, like all ponzi schemes, it will eventually collapse from it's own
weight and hurt an incredibly large amount of people.

At least they won't be able to say they didn't
haveachance to see it coming! I just don't want anyone
to act totally surprised, that's all. I can't hear them now,
"We (all) knew this was going to happen, and here it is!"

Bill wrote:
Dave wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:27:43 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
Say what you will, it's been working for almost 80 years, aided
along by the tobacco industry which has killed who knows how many
before they reached retirement age.
But, like all ponzi schemes, it will eventually collapse from it's
own weight and hurt an incredibly large amount of people.

At least they won't be able to say they didn't
haveachance to see it coming! I just don't want anyone
to act totally surprised, that's all. I can't hear them now,
"We (all) knew this was going to happen, and here it is!"

I doubt you'll have to worry about anyone being surprised by the demise of
the Social Security system Bill. It's such a ell known debacle that I don't
think there's anyone unaware.

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Bill wrote:
Dave wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:27:43 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
Say what you will, it's been working for almost 80 years, aided
along by the tobacco industry which has killed who knows how many
before they reached retirement age.
But, like all ponzi schemes, it will eventually collapse from it's
own weight and hurt an incredibly large amount of people.
At least they won't be able to say they didn't
haveachance to see it coming! I just don't want anyone
to act totally surprised, that's all. I can't hear them now,
"We (all) knew this was going to happen, and here it is!"
I doubt you'll have to worry about anyone being surprised by the demise of
the Social Security system Bill. It's such a ell known debacle that I don't
think there's anyone unaware.

Thank you. That eases my mind! ; )

Dave wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 07:47:02 -0500, "dadiOH"
If you are talking about the economy of more, MORE, *MORE* I suppose
you are right. There are other models.

Sure there are other models. But I have to wonder what percentage of
people would be prepared to experience life in one of those 'other
models' knowing about this one?

I have to question whether you'd be prepared to switch to one of those
other models. Computers, technology, woodworking machinery, even
advanced health care could well be gone in one of your 'other models'.

The current model we live in is factually keeping me alive. In some
of, perhaps many of those other models you speak about, people with my
medical needs would have died off a long time ago. I wouldn't want to
live in many of those other models, even if I didn't have my current
medical requirements.

I fail to see how your continued living is dependant upon an ever increasing
population.

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Dave wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:10:23 -0500, Bill
And what did
you mean by "our economies", i.e. why the plural? Which ones do you
regard as "ours"?

North American economies Bill. Basically the US and Canada. Slightly
different but essentially the same.

There are three countries in North America. And, what of the economies of
Europe? Asia? South America? Et cetera.

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____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

Since I am a long time lurker and have never posted I'm not sure where this will show up so apologies in advance. I'm white, 61, and study the Bible but can't figure out how my actions are interfering with the relationship women have with their doctors and what effect that relationship may have on the US population. Maybe it is a west coast thing. BTW...thanks to all that post useful techniques, tool pro and con data,and pictures of your work. Most appreciated.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

Say what you will, it's been working for almost 80 years, aided
along
by the tobacco industry which has killed who knows how many before
they reached retirement age.
-------------------------------------------------
"Dave" wrote:

But, like all ponzi schemes, it will eventually collapse from it's
own
weight and hurt an incredibly large amount of people.
-----------------------------------------------
Contrary to all the attempts by the Republican party to dismantle
Social Security since it's inception by attempting to discredit S/S
using
non factual arguments such as S/S is a Ponzi scheme, the program
continues to function as designed.

S/S requires tweaking from time to time, the same as any other
insurance
product, the last major update being 1986.

As long as updates are done in an actuarially sound fashion, S/S will
remain a viable insurance product for future generations.

Periodically, some far right hard line Republican group crawls out
from
under a rock and attempts to try to dismantle S/S.

The application of facts usually provides enough of a good swift kick
in
the gonads to send them scampering back under their rock for a few
more years.

Lew

BillinGA wrote:
Since I am a long time lurker and have never posted
And this the thread in which you want to start? : )


I'm not sure where this will show up so apologies in advance. I'm white, 61, and study the Bible but can't figure out how my actions are interfering with the relationship women have with their doctors and what effect that relationship may have on the US population. Maybe it is a west coast thing. BTW...thanks to all that post useful techniques, tool pro and con data,and pictures of your work. Most appreciated.

On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:09:13 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:

But, like all ponzi schemes, it will eventually collapse from it's own
weight and hurt an incredibly large amount of people.
----------------------------------------------- Contrary to all the
attempts by the Republican party to dismantle Social Security since it's
inception by attempting to discredit S/S using non factual arguments
such as S/S is a Ponzi scheme, the program continues to function as
designed.

My initial Ponzi comment was not pointed at Social Security, which does
seem to be in fair shape with a few tweaks needed to keep it going for
the rest of this century.

Rather it was directed at the need for an ever increasing population to
keep things going. What would happen to the housing industry, durable
goods, automobile, etc. if the population was static? Think about it.

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On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:40:55 -0500, Bill wrote:

BillinGA wrote:
Since I am a long time lurker and have never posted
And this the thread in which you want to start? : )


Yeah, and I'm not really sure why we care if he's white and studies his
bible - perhaps an adjustment to his meds is in order :-).

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Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:09:13 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:

But, like all ponzi schemes, it will eventually collapse from it's own
weight and hurt an incredibly large amount of people.
----------------------------------------------- Contrary to all the
attempts by the Republican party to dismantle Social Security since it's
inception by attempting to discredit S/S using non factual arguments
such as S/S is a Ponzi scheme, the program continues to function as
designed.
My initial Ponzi comment was not pointed at Social Security, which does
seem to be in fair shape with a few tweaks needed to keep it going for
the rest of this century.

Rather it was directed at the need for an ever increasing population to
keep things going. What would happen to the housing industry, durable
goods, automobile, etc. if the population was static? Think about it.

As was pointed out, we need productive people
with purchasing power, not just people.

So, we don't have to increase the population, we just
need to make the people we have more productive.

I'll admit to being tempted when the clip vs magazine issue was rolling along. Didn't you get that one going? I was never in the military but grew up on bases in the US and Japan. At firing ranges I never heard any shooters refer to their magazine regarding .45's and M-1's. Yes, it was a long time ago. Most likely the 1st posting was prompted by being an older white guy getting tired of being blamed for most everything happening nowdays. On a serious note, I've been fooling with tools and wood a long time at a hobby level. I have not felt the need to add my $.02 on anything...always glad to hear about someone's experience with a new tool or methods of work and , again, the pictures from others more dedicated to the craft.

On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:15:30 -0800 (PST), BillinGA
wrote:

I'll admit to being tempted when the clip vs magazine issue was rolling along. Didn't you get that one going? I was never in the military but grew up on bases in the US and Japan. At firing ranges I never heard any shooters refer to their magazine regarding .45's and M-1's. Yes, it was a long time ago. Most likely the 1st posting was prompted by being an older white guy getting tired of being blamed for most everything happening nowdays. On a serious note, I've been fooling with tools and wood a long time at a hobby level. I have not felt the need to add my $.02 on anything...always glad to hear about someone's experience with a new tool or methods of work and , again, the pictures from others more dedicated to the craft.

Where in GA? Got a good place to buy lumber? The toy stores, I've
found. ;-)

"Larry Blanchard" wrote:

My initial Ponzi comment was not pointed at Social Security, which
does
seem to be in fair shape with a few tweaks needed to keep it going
for
the rest of this century.

Rather it was directed at the need for an ever increasing population
to
keep things going. What would happen to the housing industry,
durable
goods, automobile, etc. if the population was static? Think about
it.
---------------------------------------------------------
Would agree, especially if we continue to waste the world's resources
to feed our life style.

OTOH, if we choose to make modest investments in third world
countries, we will develop markets for our products and reduce the
demand for basic resources to feed our habits by improving our
lifestyle
efficiencies.

Simple low cost things like providing clean water and sanitation,
mosquito netting to reduce malaria, spotted fever, etc in Africa.

Farming assistance to show that clear cutting the world's jungles
to produce heating fuel, provides only short term solutions.

Continuing to flush our topsoil down the Mississippi River by
using the present farming methods to produce corn is not a winner.

The only winner in that game is Monsanto.

Recognize that the so-called "War On Drugs" is not working.

Maybe it is better to treat drugs like tobacco and alcohol.

Legalize them and then regulate and tax them.

Wasn't that what Prohibition was all about?

Guess we don't want to learn from our mistakes.

The USA will never again compete as a producer in the
low tech world.

If we want to continue to enjoy our lifestyle, we are going to
have to make a place at the feed trough for the world's low
tech producers so they can afford to buy our high tech products.

As the old saying goes, "What goes around, comes around".


Lew

On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 05:33:09 -0500, "dadiOH"
I fail to see how your continued living is dependant upon an ever increasing
population.

Our current model of living (with it's ever increasing population)
comes with many other factors. One of those benefits is our current
medical technology. Does that answer your question?

On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 05:39:35 -0500, "dadiOH"
North American economies Bill. Basically the US and Canada. Slightly
different but essentially the same.

There are three countries in North America. And, what of the economies of
Europe? Asia? South America? Et cetera.

What about them? There's enough of a difference between our North
American economy and those you've listed to differentiate them.

Where in GA? Got a good place to buy lumber? The toy stores, I've found. ;-)

I'm a little south of Atlanta. I've traded with Peachstate Lumber in Kennesaw and Atlanta Hardwood inside 285/Northside. Highland Hardware always has some interesting boards but not a great quantity. Rockler in Sandy Springs has some small stuff on the shelf/floor and bigger boards in back. Find someone with a sawmill near you...that's where you get the best deal if you are able to/care to dimension their rough stock. Mid to south GA...no help here. I think there is a casual poster in Cochran that may offer suggestions.

In article , dadiOH wrote:
Dave wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:10:23 -0500, Bill
And what did
you mean by "our economies", i.e. why the plural? Which ones do you
regard as "ours"?

North American economies Bill. Basically the US and Canada. Slightly
different but essentially the same.

There are three countries in North America. And, what of the economies of
Europe? Asia? South America? Et cetera.


Not trying to be pedantic (Well, maybe I am... ) but it is more like
3 dozen countries in North America. The Central American countries are part
of NA along with several island countries in the Carribean and Atlantic.




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