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Anyone know of a good stapler for Romex? Those little nail-in thingies are tough on my thumbs... I'd prefer pneumatic, but price *is* an issue, so manual "staple gun" style might be ok if it actually works well. thanx
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JayPique wrote in
: Anyone know of a good stapler for Romex? Those little nail-in thingies are tough on my thumbs... I'd prefer pneumatic, but price *is* an issue, so manual "staple gun" style might be ok if it actually works well. http://www.cableorganizer.com/gardne...er/staple-gun/ I bought one of these a few years ago. Works *great* driving staples into any new construction, not so great with the 55-year-old yellow pine joists in my basement. |
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![]() "Doug Miller" wrote in message . .. JayPique wrote in : Anyone know of a good stapler for Romex? Those little nail-in thingies are tough on my thumbs... I'd prefer pneumatic, but price *is* an issue, so manual "staple gun" style might be ok if it actually works well. http://www.cableorganizer.com/gardne...er/staple-gun/ I bought one of these a few years ago. Works *great* driving staples into any new construction, not so great with the 55-year-old yellow pine joists in my basement. The younger units always beat the older guys these days! -- Eric |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:47:42 -0700 (PDT), JayPique
wrote: Anyone know of a good stapler for Romex? Those little nail-in thingies are tough on my thumbs... I'd prefer pneumatic, but price *is* an issue, so manual "staple gun" style might be ok if it actually works well. thanx Use a pair of needle nose pliers to hold the staples, thus saving your thumb and forefinger. Air: I've never seen a pneumatic romex stapler. Manuals: I've always liked the way Arrow guns work. Try their T-72 model. (Disclaimer: I have no experience with that one here, but have used the T-50 lots and a T-25 once.) -- I would be the most content if my children grew up to be the kind of people who think decorating consists mostly of building enough bookshelves. -- Anna Quindlen |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:47:42 -0700 (PDT), JayPique
wrote: Anyone know of a good stapler for Romex? Those little nail-in thingies are tough on my thumbs... You're supposed to use a hammer. I'd prefer pneumatic, but price *is* an issue, so manual "staple gun" style might be ok if it actually works well. thanx MEW I have the Gardner Bender stapler. It works pretty well, though sometimes it doesn't go in all the way or I need a more substantial staple. |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:47:42 -0700 (PDT), JayPique
wrote: Anyone know of a good stapler for Romex? Those little nail-in thingies are tough on my thumbs... I'd prefer pneumatic, but price *is* an issue, so manual "staple gun" style might be ok if it actually works well. thanx MEW Hold the back of your hand to the wood, the staple between your index and middle finger. It doesn't hurt nearly as much if you hit your hand that way. Ditto for many nailing situations. |
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Now,now....SYP is a softwood.
On 9/20/2012 7:00 PM, Doug Miller wrote: I bought one of these a few years ago. Works *great* driving staples into any new construction, not so great with the 55-year-old yellow pine joists in my basement. |
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In article , Pat Barber
wrote: Now,now....SYP is a softwood. On 9/20/2012 7:00 PM, Doug Miller wrote: I bought one of these a few years ago. Works *great* driving staples into any new construction, not so great with the 55-year-old yellow pine joists in my basement. And balsa is a hardwood. -- I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t. * John Gierach |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:26:30 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote: In article , Pat Barber wrote: Now,now....SYP is a softwood. On 9/20/2012 7:00 PM, Doug Miller wrote: I bought one of these a few years ago. Works *great* driving staples into any new construction, not so great with the 55-year-old yellow pine joists in my basement. And balsa is a hardwood. Only in the sense that it's deciduous. |
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In article ,
" wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:26:30 -0600, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , Pat Barber wrote: Now,now....SYP is a softwood. On 9/20/2012 7:00 PM, Doug Miller wrote: I bought one of these a few years ago. Works *great* driving staples into any new construction, not so great with the 55-year-old yellow pine joists in my basement. And balsa is a hardwood. Only in the sense that it's deciduous. And 55 year old Douglas Fir (we don't get SYP much up here) is a softwood only in the sense it's coniferous. (I know that you know all this... grin) -- I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t. * John Gierach |
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I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for
a decent load of Douglas Fir. On 9/26/2012 7:20 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote: And 55 year old Douglas Fir (we don't get SYP much up here) is a softwood only in the sense it's coniferous. (I know that you know all this... grin) |
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On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote:
I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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In article , Pat Barber
wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. Decent Doug Fir is difficult to find, isn't it? Even here where the stuff grows. -- I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t. * John Gierach |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. -- Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself. -- Thomas Jefferson |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. -- www.ewoodshop.com |
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Dave Balderstone writes:
In article , Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. Decent Doug Fir is difficult to find, isn't it? Even here where the stuff grows. For those in the bay area, Jackel in watsonville has nice new and recycled doug fir; with the new in 8/4 and 10/4. Reclaimed is hit-n-miss. |
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On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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In article , -MIKE-
wrote: On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. You'd be mistaken. Try working with 50 year old DF fourbatooz. You pretty much have to drill to be able to drive a nail. -- I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t. * John Gierach |
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On 9/26/12 4:25 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. You'd be mistaken. Try working with 50 year old DF fourbatooz. You pretty much have to drill to be able to drive a nail. As hard as Oak? -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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In article , -MIKE-
wrote: On 9/26/12 4:25 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. You'd be mistaken. Try working with 50 year old DF fourbatooz. You pretty much have to drill to be able to drive a nail. As hard as Oak? Easily. -- I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t. * John Gierach |
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On 9/26/12 5:16 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 4:25 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. You'd be mistaken. Try working with 50 year old DF fourbatooz. You pretty much have to drill to be able to drive a nail. As hard as Oak? Easily. Doubt it. But I'm sure it's on the Janka hardness scale if you say so. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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In article , -MIKE-
wrote: On 9/26/12 5:16 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 4:25 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. You'd be mistaken. Try working with 50 year old DF fourbatooz. You pretty much have to drill to be able to drive a nail. As hard as Oak? Easily. Doubt it. But I'm sure it's on the Janka hardness scale if you say so. :-) Pedant... -- I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t. * John Gierach |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:26:30 -0500, Swingman wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. VG carries a hefty price anywhere. VG cedar in a stain-grade tubasix is $8-12/lf here, special order. Dunno 'bout VGDF. -- Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself. -- Thomas Jefferson |
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On 9/26/12 6:19 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 5:16 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 4:25 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. You'd be mistaken. Try working with 50 year old DF fourbatooz. You pretty much have to drill to be able to drive a nail. As hard as Oak? Easily. Doubt it. But I'm sure it's on the Janka hardness scale if you say so. :-) Pedant... You may want to google the word, "hyperbole." -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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In article , -MIKE-
wrote: On 9/26/12 6:19 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 5:16 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 4:25 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. You'd be mistaken. Try working with 50 year old DF fourbatooz. You pretty much have to drill to be able to drive a nail. As hard as Oak? Easily. Doubt it. But I'm sure it's on the Janka hardness scale if you say so. :-) Pedant... You may want to google the word, "hyperbole." No need. And I never referred to Janka hardness. g -- I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t. * John Gierach |
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On 9/26/12 7:52 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 6:19 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 5:16 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 4:25 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: On 9/26/12 1:26 PM, Swingman wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. I love doug fir and the local big boxes used to carry it, regularly. Very hard to find, anymore. I'll ignore the "harder than oak" comment and chalk it up to hyperbole. You'd be mistaken. Try working with 50 year old DF fourbatooz. You pretty much have to drill to be able to drive a nail. As hard as Oak? Easily. Doubt it. But I'm sure it's on the Janka hardness scale if you say so. :-) Pedant... You may want to google the word, "hyperbole." No need. And I never referred to Janka hardness. g I'm not the one who insisted DF gets as hard as oak. In fact, I specifically let it alone because I knew it was hyperbole, speaking figuratively. That was fine with me. But then some other guy insisted it was, actually. And I call bull****. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:26:30 -0500, Swingman wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:13:29 -0500, Swingman wrote: On 9/26/2012 9:55 AM, Pat Barber wrote: I would gladly give you all the SYP we have for a decent load of Douglas Fir. +1 DF is all we have up here in the PNW. /brag g Freshly cut, it's as soft as pine. Dry, it's harder than oak. Import nails bend when they just _see_ aged doug fir. And it handles cold, rainy weather damnear as well as PT, cedar, or redwood. Amazing. Vertical grain Douglas fir can make some nice looking furniture and carries a premium price hereabouts. My property is primarily Fir, Cedar, and Hemlock with some Maple and Wild Cherry. I'm mostly taking out the 130' tall multi headed Hemlocks so I can sleep better at night. With some of the Doug Fir that came down on the neighbors property as I was splitting rounds I probably put 25% to one side to be resawn for boxes ect. A tree guy I do some work for hauling chips or excavator work got to log part of an old growth forest. He's got 5' diameter rounds about 6' long that's he is taking to the mill to have it cut for doing his floor. He will also get it kiln dried. Wonderful colors in old fir. I did my living room trim in clear straight grain fir with an oil finish. Mike M |
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Mike M wrote:
My property is primarily Fir, Cedar, and Hemlock with some Maple and Wild Cherry. I'm mostly taking out the 130' tall multi headed Hemlocks so I can sleep better at night. Wow - that's weird, at least around here it would be weird. We don't see multiple heads on Hemlock around here. 130' is also a really good height. Not sure how often you could find that kind of height around here - usually more like 60' or so. With some of the Doug Fir that came down on the neighbors property as I was splitting rounds I probably put 25% to one side to be resawn for boxes ect. A tree guy I do some work for hauling chips or excavator work got to log part of an old growth forest. He's got 5' diameter rounds about 6' long that's he is taking to the mill to have it cut for doing his floor. He will also get it kiln dried. Wonderful colors in old fir. I did my living room trim in clear straight grain fir with an oil finish. Sweet. I don't think we have any amount of DF around here anymore, let alone stuff that big around. You can find hard maple around that is that size or even bigger, but even that is getting hard to find. Nice to be able to score that and mill it into what you want. -- -Mike- |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:32:52 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Mike M wrote: My property is primarily Fir, Cedar, and Hemlock with some Maple and Wild Cherry. I'm mostly taking out the 130' tall multi headed Hemlocks so I can sleep better at night. Wow - that's weird, at least around here it would be weird. We don't see multiple heads on Hemlock around here. 130' is also a really good height. Not sure how often you could find that kind of height around here - usually more like 60' or so. With some of the Doug Fir that came down on the neighbors property as I was splitting rounds I probably put 25% to one side to be resawn for boxes ect. A tree guy I do some work for hauling chips or excavator work got to log part of an old growth forest. He's got 5' diameter rounds about 6' long that's he is taking to the mill to have it cut for doing his floor. He will also get it kiln dried. Wonderful colors in old fir. I did my living room trim in clear straight grain fir with an oil finish. Sweet. I don't think we have any amount of DF around here anymore, let alone stuff that big around. You can find hard maple around that is that size or even bigger, but even that is getting hard to find. Nice to be able to score that and mill it into what you want. Here's one of them coming down. http://s1185.photobucket.com/albums/...1040946482.mp4 Here's a picture of the stump from that tree. Took me 3 days to dig it out and had to rent a bigger excavator in the end. http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...ent/photo2.jpg I'm in the foothills of W. Washington so there still some tall stuff. The hemlock isn't worth hauling to the mill, and the Doug Fir is pretty low right now that it's shocking when you go to buy it. I was going to finance a woodmiser sawmill for the tree guy but it didn't pan out do to various complications. Mike M |
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