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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 03/24/2012 09:33 AM, Han wrote:
Steve wrote in news:jkko68$ou7$2 @dont-email.me: On 3/24/2012 8:34 AM, Han wrote: Some marriages work, others apparently don't. And sometimes a couple marries because one of the partners needs health insurance that's unobtainable outside marriage. Which says loads about the state of health insurance. And so it begins... :-) Of course. There is a young couple who in all likelihood eventually will marry. One has medical insurance, the other doesn't or is about to lose it. Should they marry now or later? Or any of similar situations. Such as a couple of seniors. One with, one without (but with medical needs). For seniors on medicare who need additional insurance, each must get their own supplemental and drug (part D) policies. There are no family policies unless you pay the really bucks for a non medicare related policy and a provider will take you. -- "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" -Winston Churchill |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote , Swingman wrote: They're out there ... just flip though a few TV channels, night or day. Whatever FOR? Gawd, I miss TV even less than I do alcohol and tobacco. Turn -off- the TV folks, and grab a good book today! Currently: "Fall of Giants" Recently: Too Big to Fail Pillars of the Earth The Big Short Reckless Endangerment Suttree All the Pretty Horses No Country for Old Men Max (what is a "TV"?) |
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On 3/24/2012 10:54 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
It's truly painful to hear commercials or TV anchors spew their **** any more, it really is. Sensationalized guesswork, at best. Downright lies at worst. Pass. One of things (just one, mind you), is this sudden, ubiquitous proliferation of idiot talking heads with (decidedly NOT RP/BBC English) British accents. As if the powers that be think it somehow adds class that they, in their heart of hearts, know themselves to be missing? If they only really knew ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:45:51 -0600, "Max"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote , Swingman wrote: They're out there ... just flip though a few TV channels, night or day. Whatever FOR? Gawd, I miss TV even less than I do alcohol and tobacco. Turn -off- the TV folks, and grab a good book today! Currently: "Fall of Giants" Recently: Too Big to Fail Pillars of the Earth The Big Short Reckless Endangerment Suttree All the Pretty Horses No Country for Old Men Max (what is a "TV"?) Atta Boy! -- "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article8bydnZg4DphzEvHSnZ2dnUVZ5qmdnZ2d@giganews. com, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs...-abc-news.html You know, there's like 300,000,000 people in this country. That leaves a lot of room at the extreme end of any bell curve you want to draw. There's people who could have converted 80mph into mach numbers or furlongs per fortnight without blinking an eye, and there's people who just don't get math. For all we know, she's a genius poet when not being given math problems to solve. And even if she really is just that dumb, an existance proof of dumb people isn't the end of the world. I even find the word "dumb" kind of derogatory, but I learned, early on, not to try to preach here. |
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On 3/24/2012 2:53 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article8bydnZg4DphzEvHSnZ2dnUVZ5qmdnZ2d@giganews. com, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs...-abc-news.html You know, there's like 300,000,000 people in this country. That leaves a lot of room at the extreme end of any bell curve you want to draw. There's people who could have converted 80mph into mach numbers or furlongs per fortnight without blinking an eye, and there's people who just don't get math. For all we know, she's a genius poet when not being given math problems to solve. And even if she really is just that dumb, an existance proof of dumb people isn't the end of the world. No math skill needed, only an understanding of the English language and the ability to comprehend words. |
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Leon wrote:
On 3/24/2012 2:53 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote: In article8bydnZg4DphzEvHSnZ2dnUVZ5qmdnZ2d@giganews. com, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs...-abc-news.html You know, there's like 300,000,000 people in this country. That leaves a lot of room at the extreme end of any bell curve you want to draw. There's people who could have converted 80mph into mach numbers or furlongs per fortnight without blinking an eye, and there's people who just don't get math. For all we know, she's a genius poet when not being given math problems to solve. And even if she really is just that dumb, an existance proof of dumb people isn't the end of the world. No math skill needed, only an understanding of the English language and the ability to comprehend words. And while, you're at it, there's no such thing as an "existance proof". : ) |
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:24:48 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
No math skill needed, only an understanding of the English language and the ability to comprehend words. I disagree to the point that math is needed, but to such a basic level that any functioning adult in our North American educated society should be able to solve the problem. Since there was no mention of the person in question having any type of learning disability, we have to assume a given level of intelligence and comprehension. If that person has a given understanding of English, then to converse with them on an acceptable level, one has to also believe they are capable of at least a basic mathematical understanding. Otherwise, we'd all be talking to people as if they were functional morons. |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 3/23/2012 1:27 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
wrote in : On 3/23/2012 12:28 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Bill wrote: On 3/23/2012 10:59 AM, Leon wrote: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs...-wife-stumped- mph-math-115935562--abc-news.html That was good, but let's be fair now, how often do people drive 80 miles per hour? I mean, what if it's raining? : ) Then we drive 95 mph... Here's a similar problem for everyone who thinks they are lots smarter than the women in the story. Assume one person can paint a room in 1 hour, and a second (slower) person can paint a similar room in 2 hours. How long will it take them to paint such a room together. it's an algebra problem. Don't get distracted..lol. 40 minutes. Don't really need algebra, just work in whole numbers (integers to you purists). In 2 hours both could do 3 rooms, thus 2/3 of an hour for one room *if* they don't argue about the color choice and get into a paint fight Don't ask ... I'd rather not rehash that incident, John |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
John wrote:
On 3/23/2012 1:27 PM, Doug Miller wrote: wrote in : Here's a similar problem for everyone who thinks they are lots smarter than the women in the story. Assume one person can paint a room in 1 hour, and a second (slower) person can paint a similar room in 2 hours. How long will it take them to paint such a room together. it's an algebra problem. Don't get distracted..lol. 40 minutes. Don't really need algebra, just work in whole numbers (integers to you purists). In 2 hours both could do 3 rooms, thus 2/3 of an hour for one room Clever technique. I note that the first person can paint a room at the rate of 1 room per hour, and the second person can paint a room at the rate of 1/2 room per hour, as Swingman did, and then add the rates and solve t(1 + 1/2)= 1 for the time t. As far as algebra goes, I think students regards that sort of problem is in the *very hard* category! However, viewed in the right way, it's the same as determining the distance apart of two cars driving in opposite directions, which I think is much easier. That's why I don't quickly "write off" the woman in the video. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, she may just need a little nudge to jog her memory: d=rt and stuff like that! : ) Bill *if* they don't argue about the color choice and get into a paint fight Don't ask ... I'd rather not rehash that incident, John |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 3/25/2012 4:58 PM, Bill wrote:
John wrote: On 3/23/2012 1:27 PM, Doug Miller wrote: wrote in : Here's a similar problem for everyone who thinks they are lots smarter than the women in the story. Assume one person can paint a room in 1 hour, and a second (slower) person can paint a similar room in 2 hours. How long will it take them to paint such a room together. it's an algebra problem. Don't get distracted..lol. 40 minutes. Don't really need algebra, just work in whole numbers (integers to you purists). In 2 hours both could do 3 rooms, thus 2/3 of an hour for one room Clever technique. I note that the first person can paint a room at the rate of 1 room per hour, and the second person can paint a room at the rate of 1/2 room per hour, as Swingman did, and then add the rates and solve t(1 + 1/2)= 1 for the time t. As far as algebra goes, I think students regards that sort of problem is in the *very hard* category! However, viewed in the right way, it's the same as determining the distance apart of two cars driving in opposite directions, which I think is much easier. That's why I don't quickly "write off" the woman in the video. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, she may just need a little nudge to jog her memory: d=rt and stuff like that! : ) Bill *if* they don't argue about the color choice and get into a paint fight Don't ask ... I'd rather not rehash that incident, John I always found the mechanics of algebra easy, but on the other hand applying it to a real world problem not so easy. I guess its just the way my mind works. I too felt sorry to the young lady in the video. Some of the smartest people can't see the forest for the trees, or is it the other way around? :0 John |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
John wrote in news:Fw1cr.168151$rL1.153705
@news.usenetserver.com: I always found the mechanics of algebra easy, but on the other hand applying it to a real world problem not so easy. I guess its just the way my mind works. I too felt sorry to the young lady in the video. Some of the smartest people can't see the forest for the trees, or is it the other way around? :0 John The problem is A) is the question posed understandable? B) is the listener really paying attention? C) Is the context really conducive for correct interpretation? Like a picture of this that was listed on FB: Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 3/26/2012 12:55 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:Fw1cr.168151$rL1.153705 @news.usenetserver.com: I always found the mechanics of algebra easy, but on the other hand applying it to a real world problem not so easy. I guess its just the way my mind works. I too felt sorry to the young lady in the video. Some of the smartest people can't see the forest for the trees, or is it the other way around? :0 John The problem is A) is the question posed understandable? B) is the listener really paying attention? C) Is the context really conducive for correct interpretation? Like a picture of this that was listed on FB: Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? Some kind of Japanese wine? -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 3/26/12 12:56 PM, Swingman wrote:
Some kind of Japanese wine? Like -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-MIKE- wrote in news:jkqatl$8p4$1
@speranza.aioe.org: On 3/26/12 12:56 PM, Swingman wrote: Some kind of Japanese wine? Like Me too -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 03/26/2012 01:08 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:jkqatl$8p4$1 @speranza.aioe.org: On 3/26/12 12:56 PM, Swingman wrote: Some kind of Japanese wine? Like Me too I prefer beer. But not Japanese beer. -- Free bad advice available here. To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 3/26/12 1:48 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
On 03/26/2012 01:08 PM, Han wrote: wrote in news:jkqatl$8p4$1 @speranza.aioe.org: On 3/26/12 12:56 PM, Swingman wrote: Some kind of Japanese wine? Like Me too I prefer beer. But not Japanese beer. I think you'd like a dry sake. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On Mar 26, 3:47*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/26/12 1:48 PM, Steve Turner wrote: On 03/26/2012 01:08 PM, Han wrote: wrote in news:jkqatl$8p4$1 @speranza.aioe.org: On 3/26/12 12:56 PM, Swingman wrote: Some kind of Japanese wine? Like Me too I prefer beer. But not Japanese beer. I think you'd like a dry sake. -- * -MIKE- * "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" * * *--Elvin Jones *(1927-2004) * -- *http://mikedrums.com * * ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply But then he'd need a sake warmer: (And BOY does that make a difference! http://www.bartechco.com/displayprod...oryname=SA KE |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 03/26/2012 03:51 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Mar 26, 3:47 pm, wrote: On 3/26/12 1:48 PM, Steve Turner wrote: On 03/26/2012 01:08 PM, Han wrote: wrote in news:jkqatl$8p4$1 @speranza.aioe.org: On 3/26/12 12:56 PM, Swingman wrote: Some kind of Japanese wine? Like Me too I prefer beer. But not Japanese beer. I think you'd like a dry sake. But then he'd need a sake warmer: (And BOY does that make a difference! http://www.bartechco.com/displayprod...oryname=SA KE Boy, that's an expensive mitsake! -- Free bad advice available here. To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 3/26/2012 4:13 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
On 03/26/2012 03:51 PM, Robatoy wrote: On Mar 26, 3:47 pm, wrote: On 3/26/12 1:48 PM, Steve Turner wrote: On 03/26/2012 01:08 PM, Han wrote: wrote in news:jkqatl$8p4$1 @speranza.aioe.org: On 3/26/12 12:56 PM, Swingman wrote: Some kind of Japanese wine? Like Me too I prefer beer. But not Japanese beer. I think you'd like a dry sake. But then he'd need a sake warmer: (And BOY does that make a difference! http://www.bartechco.com/displayprod...oryname=SA KE Boy, that's an expensive mitsake! +1 (ooops, wrong place) -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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John wrote:
I always found the mechanics of algebra easy, but on the other hand applying it to a real world problem not so easy. I guess its just the way my mind works. I don't think you are unique in that regard. There are 2 parts to the problem: Model and solve. Much more variety is encountered in the first part so it probably takes longer to build up confidence--at least that's the way it was for me. Bill I too felt sorry to the young lady in the video. Some of the smartest people can't see the forest for the trees, or is it the other way around? :0 John |
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Way OT But why we are in the mess we are in.
On 3/26/2012 12:55 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:Fw1cr.168151$rL1.153705 @news.usenetserver.com: I always found the mechanics of algebra easy, but on the other hand applying it to a real world problem not so easy. I guess its just the way my mind works. I too felt sorry to the young lady in the video. Some of the smartest people can't see the forest for the trees, or is it the other way around? :0 John The problem is A) is the question posed understandable? B) is the listener really paying attention? C) Is the context really conducive for correct interpretation? Like a picture of this that was listed on FB: Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? Mitstake |
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Han wrote in news:XnsA0228D92FF599ikkezelf@
216.151.153.55: *snip* Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? I see the mitsake! The sequence should be: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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On 3/27/2012 8:10 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
wrote in news:XnsA0228D92FF599ikkezelf@ 216.151.153.55: *snip* Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? I see the mitsake! The sequence should be: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F Puckdropper You forgot the 0. BTW, that reminds me, I picked up the 8-pc Forstner drill bit set from Lowes that you recommended. Thank you, Bill |
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On 3/27/2012 7:10 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
wrote in news:XnsA0228D92FF599ikkezelf@ 216.151.153.55: *snip* Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? I see the mitsake! The sequence should be: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F Puckdropper ACTUALLY, it would start with a zero -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On 3/27/2012 8:10 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
wrote: Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? I see the mitsake! The sequence should be: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F +1010 -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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Bill wrote in
: On 3/27/2012 8:10 AM, Puckdropper wrote: wrote in news:XnsA0228D92FF599ikkezelf@ 216.151.153.55: *snip* Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? I see the mitsake! The sequence should be: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F Puckdropper You forgot the 0. BTW, that reminds me, I picked up the 8-pc Forstner drill bit set from Lowes that you recommended. Thank you, Bill The original sequence didn't start with 0. Hope the Forstner set works as well for you as it has for me. Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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On 3/27/2012 7:48 AM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 3/27/2012 7:10 AM, Puckdropper wrote: wrote in news:XnsA0228D92FF599ikkezelf@ 216.151.153.55: *snip* Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? I see the mitsake! The sequence should be: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F Puckdropper ACTUALLY, it would start with a zero Actually mitstake should be spelled "mistake". |
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Leon wrote:
On 3/27/2012 7:48 AM, Steve Barker wrote: On 3/27/2012 7:10 AM, Puckdropper wrote: wrote in news:XnsA0228D92FF599ikkezelf@ 216.151.153.55: *snip* Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? I see the mitsake! The sequence should be: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F Puckdropper ACTUALLY, it would start with a zero Actually mitstake should be spelled "mistake". Who could mitsake mistake with mitsake? : ) |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:13:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/27/2012 7:48 AM, Steve Barker wrote: On 3/27/2012 7:10 AM, Puckdropper wrote: wrote in news:XnsA0228D92FF599ikkezelf@ 216.151.153.55: *snip* Do not give the answer here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Repost if you see the mitsake Do you? I see the mitsake! The sequence should be: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F Puckdropper ACTUALLY, it would start with a zero Actually mitstake should be spelled "mistake". Was is a misteak? |
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Edward A. Falk wrote:
In 00, Doug wrote: Assume one person can paint a room in 1 hour, and a second (slower) person can paint a similar room in 2 hours. How long will it take them to paint such a room together. it's an algebra problem. Don't get distracted..lol. 40 minutes. Yep. It's all in how you frame the problem. In school, we were all taught stupid formulas like 1/(1/t1 + 1/t2) or whatever, and when we were taught that stuff, we all asked ourselves "howinthehell am I supposed to memorize *that*?" You're not supposed to memorize that. There's a lot that can be learned from the problem if you give it a chance. Revisit it concentrated on the units and rates being used. The consequence could have immeasurable value--in fact, it's sure to. If you finished that one, calculate the measure of the miter you need on each piece to make an n-sided rectangular frame. Fun problem. If you get someone to help you, and you calculate out how long it takes each of you to paint one piece, you could calculate how long it would take you to paint them all, working together! ; ) |
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