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This writer talks about an "inline speed control" for a grinder.
http://toolguyd.com/bench-grinder-cr...ecommendation/ Does anyone know what he is talking about? What should I buy to set this up for my Craftsman grinder? I need lower speeds for my lathe tools. Thanks, Mike |
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Though I don't know for sure, I would think it is an inline switch to
slow or speed up the grinder/grinding speed, similar to a dimmer switch for a light. If they (in the link) suspect the Craftsman is adaptable for one, you might ask at Sears what it is and/or if it's available. Sonny |
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On 2/19/2012 9:57 AM, Michael wrote:
This writer talks about an "inline speed control" for a grinder. http://toolguyd.com/bench-grinder-cr...ecommendation/ Does anyone know what he is talking about? What should I buy to set this up for my Craftsman grinder? I need lower speeds for my lathe tools. Thanks, Mike A common in line speed control is one sold to slow down routers. You plug into the speed control and dial the speed you want. Keep in mind yo need a different type speed control for a universal motor, one with brushes, than one that works with a capacitor start motor, those found on larger more stationary equipment. |
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Michael wrote:
This writer talks about an "inline speed control" for a grinder. http://toolguyd.com/bench-grinder-cr...ecommendation/ Does anyone know what he is talking about? What should I buy to set this up for my Craftsman grinder? I need lower speeds for my lathe tools. Thanks, Mike I haven't heard of any that would work on this type of motor. For a motor with brushes, such as a drill, router etc there are speed controls available. -- Gerald Ross Put on your seatbelt. I wanna try something. |
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, Sonny wrote: Though I don't know for sure, I would think it is an inline switch to slow or speed up the grinder/grinding speed, similar to a dimmer switch for a light. If they (in the link) suspect the Craftsman is adaptable for one, you might ask at Sears what it is and/or if it's available. Only "universal" motors can have speed control of the "dimmer-switch" type. Those with a capacitor, the more usual motors fitted to grinders etc, cannot be varied in speed. If a manufacturer has built a speed control into a machine it is, of course, going to work fine. The Craftsman quotes a 1/6th hp motor - forget it. The moment you start trying to grind something it'll slow right down -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org |
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"Michael" wrote in message news:16149923.23.1329667062666.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynii32... This writer talks about an "inline speed control" for a grinder. http://toolguyd.com/bench-grinder-cr...ecommendation/ Does anyone know what he is talking about? What should I buy to set this up for my Craftsman grinder? I need lower speeds for my lathe tools. Thanks, ================================================== =========================================== He basically doesn't know what he is talking about. |
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Stay away from dimmer switches. Motor variometers are much better choice.
I don't know that your motor can handle variable speed. If you bought a 3450 grinder too bad. Way too fast. Even 1725-1750 in my mind is too fast. If you have a grinder 3450, get a set of pillow blocks, and sheaves and step down the speed. Remount the stone on the new shaft Use a sheave like used on drill presses so you can adjust your speed. On 2/19/2012 11:07 AM, Sonny wrote: Though I don't know for sure, I would think it is an inline switch to slow or speed up the grinder/grinding speed, similar to a dimmer switch for a light. If they (in the link) suspect the Craftsman is adaptable for one, you might ask at Sears what it is and/or if it's available. Sonny |
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In article 16149923.23.1329667062666.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynii32,
Michael wrote: This writer talks about an "inline speed control" for a grinder. http://toolguyd.com/bench-grinder-cr...ecommendation/ Does anyone know what he is talking about? What should I buy to set this up for my Craftsman grinder? I need lower speeds for my lathe tools. Thanks, Mike Most bench grinders and almost certainly the pictured Craftsman use induction motors and speed control is not practical. There is little reason to use anything BUT an induction motor on a bench grinder UNLESS it was designed with the intention of having variable speed. The common speed controls used for routers and other tools with universal motors will not work with induction motors. Your best bet for the lathe tools using a regular grinder is frequent dunking of the tool in water. -- Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org |
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Thanks for the advice. I'm going to buy that Porter Cable and be happy.
Mike |
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"tiredofspam" wrote in message ... Stay away from dimmer switches. Motor variometers are much better choice. I don't know that your motor can handle variable speed. If you bought a 3450 grinder too bad. Way too fast. Even 1725-1750 in my mind is too fast. If you have a grinder 3450, get a set of pillow blocks, and sheaves and step down the speed. Remount the stone on the new shaft Use a sheave like used on drill presses so you can adjust your speed. ================================================== =================== I have a variable speed grinder. I turned it down once just to see what it would be like. Turned it back up and left it there. |
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tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote: If you have a grinder 3450, get a set of pillow blocks, and sheaves and step down the speed. Remount the stone on the new shaft Use a sheave like used on drill presses so you can adjust your speed. I bought one of these: http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster...er-prod809134/ It's impossible to overheat a tool on the slow running wetstone but rather time consuming if you've anything more than a light "touch-up" to perform. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org |
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On Feb 19, 9:26*pm, Michael wrote:
Thanks for the advice. *I'm going to buy that Porter Cable and be happy.. Mike If you haven't bought yet, consider one of these. http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/208...d-Grinder.aspx I have two, and love them both. First, while not variable, they are slow speed grinders. Second, and probably just as important, they come with white, friable wheels which are much superior to sharpening tool steel than the old gray wheels. They cut cooler, faster, and with less bounce on the wheel. These wheels are the best for your lathe tools and cost about $25 each for the 6" size, and about $35 for the 8" size. Surfacing them on occasion to keep them clean, mine have lasted for years. If you buy the 6" grinder, then buy the right wheels, you are at the same price as this grinder. The Woodcraft boys told me they have kept these around specifically for wood turners and because they have a great track record. I believe it; one of mine is 14 years old and still working fine! Robert |
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I did see this in Woodcraft. That price is a little high. Also, I'd like to have a grinder set up to do other things that need a higher speed (axe, mower blade, &c), and so a variable speed is probably better for me.
Thanks, Mike |
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Michael wrote:
I did see this in Woodcraft. That price is a little high. Also, I'd like to have a grinder set up to do other things that need a higher speed (axe, mower blade, &c), and so a variable speed is probably better for me. Thanks, Mike FWIW - and I know this defies the current conventional wisdom... Variable speed is not necessary. Learn to develop the touch for the material you are grinding, and you can do it all on a single speed grinder. Don't say that it can't be done - many of us have developed that knack over the years, before the variable speed crap came along. It's really not all that difficult. Sometimes it is really worth the effort to learn to just do it properly, rather than looking for gadgetry to do the work for you. -- -Mike- |
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That's what I've been doing for the last few years. I can get my lathe tools pretty sharp on the regular grinder, but I've also made mistakes.
Mike |
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Michael wrote:
That's what I've been doing for the last few years. I can get my lathe tools pretty sharp on the regular grinder, but I've also made mistakes. Mike In response to which comment? It pays to include the text to which you are replying so that others can understand the context of your comments. -- -Mike- |
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On Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:09:33 AM UTC-6, Mike Marlow wrote:
Michael wrote: That's what I've been doing for the last few years. I can get my lathe tools pretty sharp on the regular grinder, but I've also made mistakes. Mike In response to which comment? It pays to include the text to which you are replying so that others can understand the context of your comments. -- -Mike- In response to your comment about using a non-variable speed grinder. I've been doing that for a few years. The larger tools are fine, but I've made mistakes with the smaller tools, and I think I would do a much better job with a lower moving wheel. Mike |
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Michael wrote:
In response to your comment about using a non-variable speed grinder. I've been doing that for a few years. The larger tools are fine, but I've made mistakes with the smaller tools, and I think I would do a much better job with a lower moving wheel. Yeah - the smaller tools offer more opportunity for oops moments. Let me encourage you to work at that. You can easily master the knack, or the touch for the smaller stuff. If you can do the bigger stuff, you can do the smaller stuff - it only takes a little practice. Many of us touch up drill bits on a 6" full speed grinder - you can do it if you work on developing the touch. You just have to think "lighter". Kinda like a woman... -- -Mike- |
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On Feb 19, 1:53*pm, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Stay away from dimmer switches. Motor variometers are much better choice. I don't know that your motor can handle variable speed. If you bought a 3450 grinder too bad. Way too fast. Even 1725-1750 in my mind is too fast. I use a 1725 rpm grinder with a coarse white friable alox wheel. Haven't burned a tool yet. I don't even use a water dip. If you have a grinder 3450, get a set of pillow blocks, and sheaves and step down the speed. Remount the stone on the new shaft Use a sheave like used on drill presses so you can adjust your speed. Or use a smaller wheel. Halving the diameter has the same effect as halving the speed. |
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That's it in a nut shell.
On 2/21/2012 10:31 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Michael wrote: I did see this in Woodcraft. That price is a little high. Also, I'd like to have a grinder set up to do other things that need a higher speed (axe, mower blade,&c), and so a variable speed is probably better for me. Thanks, Mike FWIW - and I know this defies the current conventional wisdom... Variable speed is not necessary. Learn to develop the touch for the material you are grinding, and you can do it all on a single speed grinder. Don't say that it can't be done - many of us have developed that knack over the years, before the variable speed crap came along. It's really not all that difficult. Sometimes it is really worth the effort to learn to just do it properly, rather than looking for gadgetry to do the work for you. |
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On 2/19/2012 1:53 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
Stay away from dimmer switches. Motor variometers are much better choice. I don't know that your motor can handle variable speed. If you bought a 3450 grinder too bad. Way too fast. Even 1725-1750 in my mind is too fast. If you have a grinder 3450, get a set of pillow blocks, and sheaves and step down the speed. Remount the stone on the new shaft Use a sheave like used on drill presses so you can adjust your speed. I've been grinding my lathe tools on a high speed grinder for 40 years, no problemo. I am not alone, and I'm not [all that] special. The wheel density/make up has a lot to do with how quickly things heat up. Perhaps a different choice of wheels is in order? -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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Jack wrote:
I've been grinding my lathe tools on a high speed grinder for 40 years, no problemo. I am not alone, and I'm not [all that] special. The wheel density/make up has a lot to do with how quickly things heat up. Perhaps a different choice of wheels is in order? Or maybe just learning how to use the tools without looking for magic tricks. Sometimes you just have to learn - and not rely on something that will eliminate that requirement. It's really getting harder and harder to see people looking for shortcuts simply because they just won't invest the time. -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... Jack wrote: I've been grinding my lathe tools on a high speed grinder for 40 years, no problemo. I am not alone, and I'm not [all that] special. The wheel density/make up has a lot to do with how quickly things heat up. Perhaps a different choice of wheels is in order? Or maybe just learning how to use the tools without looking for magic tricks. Sometimes you just have to learn - and not rely on something that will eliminate that requirement. It's really getting harder and harder to see people looking for shortcuts simply because they just won't invest the time. -Mike- I'm a fan of buying the right tool for the job. Sometimes, there can be modifications that can be done safely, and the results are within parameters. And sometimes performance and safety suffer. Not to mention the user. $.02 Steve |
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Steve B wrote:
"Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... Jack wrote: I've been grinding my lathe tools on a high speed grinder for 40 years, no problemo. I am not alone, and I'm not [all that] special. The wheel density/make up has a lot to do with how quickly things heat up. Perhaps a different choice of wheels is in order? Or maybe just learning how to use the tools without looking for magic tricks. Sometimes you just have to learn - and not rely on something that will eliminate that requirement. It's really getting harder and harder to see people looking for shortcuts simply because they just won't invest the time. -Mike- I'm a fan of buying the right tool for the job. Sometimes, there can be modifications that can be done safely, and the results are within parameters. And sometimes performance and safety suffer. Not to mention the user. $.02 I think I know where you are heading Steve, but your comments above just do not make any sense to me. Sometimes..it might...just maybe...oh and throw in safety...performance. But what does that really mean? Is that meant to disagree with my position that just doing it and learning to do things is valuable? I would not be insulted if you disagreed with me, but I really cannot understand exactly what you are trying to say. -- -Mike- |
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On Feb 22, 12:30*pm, Jack wrote:
On 2/19/2012 1:53 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Stay away from dimmer switches. Motor variometers are much better choice. I don't know that your motor can handle variable speed. If you bought a 3450 grinder too bad. Way too fast. Even 1725-1750 in my mind is too fast. If you have a grinder 3450, get a set of pillow blocks, and sheaves and step down the speed. Remount the stone on the new shaft Use a sheave like used on drill presses so you can adjust your speed. I've been grinding my lathe tools on a high speed grinder for 40 years, no problemo. *I am not alone, and I'm not [all that] special. *The wheel density/make up has a lot to do with how quickly things heat up. Perhaps a different choice of wheels is in order? Density, composition, and binder. Coarse white alox, vitrified bond cuts fast. Vitrified bond means dull grains break off the wheel, making it essentially self-dressing. |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... Steve B wrote: "Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... Jack wrote: I've been grinding my lathe tools on a high speed grinder for 40 years, no problemo. I am not alone, and I'm not [all that] special. The wheel density/make up has a lot to do with how quickly things heat up. Perhaps a different choice of wheels is in order? Or maybe just learning how to use the tools without looking for magic tricks. Sometimes you just have to learn - and not rely on something that will eliminate that requirement. It's really getting harder and harder to see people looking for shortcuts simply because they just won't invest the time. -Mike- I'm a fan of buying the right tool for the job. Sometimes, there can be modifications that can be done safely, and the results are within parameters. And sometimes performance and safety suffer. Not to mention the user. $.02 I think I know where you are heading Steve, but your comments above just do not make any sense to me. Sometimes..it might...just maybe...oh and throw in safety...performance. But what does that really mean? Is that meant to disagree with my position that just doing it and learning to do things is valuable? I would not be insulted if you disagreed with me, but I really cannot understand exactly what you are trying to say. -- -Mike- If you can do it safely, and it works, that's good. I have just seen a lot of jury rigging, and it ends up costing more than the right tool, and then they have to go buy it, and the money's wasted. Steve |
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Steve B wrote:
If you can do it safely, and it works, that's good. I have just seen a lot of jury rigging, and it ends up costing more than the right tool, and then they have to go buy it, and the money's wasted. Well - on that point I can agree somewhat. Those can be valuable lessons, and worth a lot more than what can be gained from asking questions in a forum, but I do agree that there is a cost to "experimenting". But then again - one cannot really learn without experiencing mistakes. It's just not possible to read your way to expertise. -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote:
It's just not possible to read your way to expertise. You can't buy talent, and there are no shortcuts to expertise. Sounds like good lessons for aspiring musicians as well. -- www.ewoodshop.com |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:39:52 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Steve B wrote: If you can do it safely, and it works, that's good. I have just seen a lot of jury rigging, and it ends up costing more than the right tool, and then they have to go buy it, and the money's wasted. Well - on that point I can agree somewhat. Those can be valuable lessons, and worth a lot more than what can be gained from asking questions in a forum, but I do agree that there is a cost to "experimenting". But then again - one cannot really learn without experiencing mistakes. Dittoes. And think of all the synergistic and serendipitous learning which can come from the simple making of mistakes. Thomas Edison is a perfect example, a man who pushed his way through his mistakes and failures, all the way to a brilliant wink success. He theorized, experimented, and failed his way through to 1093 patents. It's just not possible to read your way to expertise. No, expertise needs action/practice to mold its shape. But think of the benefits to all if everyone read more. One truly can read their way to competence. -- Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein |
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On 2/22/2012 12:47 PM, Steve B wrote:
"Mike wrote in message ... Jack wrote: I've been grinding my lathe tools on a high speed grinder for 40 years, no problemo. I am not alone, and I'm not [all that] special. The wheel density/make up has a lot to do with how quickly things heat up. Perhaps a different choice of wheels is in order? Or maybe just learning how to use the tools without looking for magic tricks. Sometimes you just have to learn - and not rely on something that will eliminate that requirement. It's really getting harder and harder to see people looking for shortcuts simply because they just won't invest the time. I'm a fan of buying the right tool for the job. We all are. I'm not so sure a high speed grinder is not the right tool for lathe tool sharpening. Sometimes, there can be modifications that can be done safely, and the results are within parameters. And sometimes performance and safety suffer. Not to mention the user. Yabut grinders are fairly safe tools, I think. About all that can go wrong grinding a lathe tool is the wrong angle and burning the temper. Not saying I haven't looked at some of the fancy nancy low speed sharpening gizmo's out there, but not so much for my lathe tools as other things. Lathe tools work perfect right off the grinder, and need no fancy honing and polishing. If I didn't already have a high speed grinder, I probably could be talked into a Griz low speed grinder, or more likely one of those fancy nancy Tormek Wet Sharpening things. I would not jump though hoops to slow down my bench grinder, which does a super job on my lathe tools, not to mention grinding points on off screws, sharpens drills, lawnmower blades and a million other things. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... Steve B wrote: If you can do it safely, and it works, that's good. I have just seen a lot of jury rigging, and it ends up costing more than the right tool, and then they have to go buy it, and the money's wasted. Well - on that point I can agree somewhat. Those can be valuable lessons, and worth a lot more than what can be gained from asking questions in a forum, but I do agree that there is a cost to "experimenting". But then again - one cannot really learn without experiencing mistakes. It's just not possible to read your way to expertise. -Mike- Now, I totally disagree with your last sentence. America is full of experts, people who are educated beyond their capacity, and most of them are teachers or government employees. Steve |
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Steve B wrote: ...snipped... Now, I totally disagree with your last sentence. America is full of experts, people who are educated beyond their capacity, and most of them are teachers or government employees. And the rest if them are usenet posters! -- The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. (Winston Churchill) Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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Steve B wrote: "Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... Steve B wrote: If you can do it safely, and it works, that's good. I have just seen a lot of jury rigging, and it ends up costing more than the right tool, and then they have to go buy it, and the money's wasted. Well - on that point I can agree somewhat. Those can be valuable lessons, and worth a lot more than what can be gained from asking questions in a forum, but I do agree that there is a cost to "experimenting". But then again - one cannot really learn without experiencing mistakes. It's just not possible to read your way to expertise. -Mike- Now, I totally disagree with your last sentence. America is full of experts, people who are educated beyond their capacity, and most of them are teachers or government employees. I rest my case. Especially regarding the last class of person you reference above. -- -Mike- |
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