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Default What do you call a bench grinder fixture without the inline motor?

It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just a stand
with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in the
middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding wheel,
wire wheel or buffer on either side. There are tool rests, but no wheel
guards of any kind. I've got one and want to put it on ebay but haven't the
foggiest idea what they are called. I've Googled and searched on Ebay every
which way but can't find another one to compare it to. What are these things
called? I'm sure its an antique.

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:54:11 -0700, "Lane" lane (no spam) at
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It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just a stand
with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in the
middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding wheel,
wire wheel or buffer on either side. There are tool rests, but no wheel
guards of any kind. I've got one and want to put it on ebay but haven't the
foggiest idea what they are called. I've Googled and searched on Ebay every
which way but can't find another one to compare it to. What are these things
called? I'm sure its an antique.

Lane

Antique Grinder?

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:54:11 -0700, "Lane" lane (no spam) at
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It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just a
stand
with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in the
middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding wheel,
wire wheel or buffer on either side. There are tool rests, but no wheel
guards of any kind. I've got one and want to put it on ebay but haven't
the
foggiest idea what they are called. I've Googled and searched on Ebay
every
which way but can't find another one to compare it to. What are these
things
called? I'm sure its an antique.

Lane

Antique Grinder?


That may be as good as anything. We'll see what else people come up with.


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Antique???? That is no antique! I have one in my shop that gets a lot
of use. Have a wire wheel on the left and a flap wheel on the right.
Driven by a 1/3 hp motor, if I remember correctly. I built a moveable
stand from an old swivel chair and have the motor below the "antique
grinder". Belt goes through a notch in the table.

In fact it is the only stationary wire brush/sander in the shop.

Why not put is to use rather than sell it?

Paul



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Antique???? That is no antique! I have one in my shop that gets a lot
of use. Have a wire wheel on the left and a flap wheel on the right.
Driven by a 1/3 hp motor, if I remember correctly. I built a moveable
stand from an old swivel chair and have the motor below the "antique
grinder". Belt goes through a notch in the table.

In fact it is the only stationary wire brush/sander in the shop.

Why not put is to use rather than sell it?

Paul


Yea it probably is an antique. I don't think you can buy these anymore. The
liability lawyers wouldn't allow it.

I used to use it as my only bench grinder. Now I have two normal
"electrified ones", one I got when Dad passed on and a bigger one from a
garage sale for $5. I just don't need this one anylonger, nor do I have the
room for it. I'm cleaning stuff out that I haven't used in 5 years.

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Lane no spam wrote:
It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just

a stand
with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in

the
middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding

wheel,
wire wheel or buffer on either side. There are tool rests, but no

wheel
guards of any kind. I've got one and want to put it on ebay but

haven't the
foggiest idea what they are called. I've Googled and searched on Ebay

every
which way but can't find another one to compare it to. What are these

things
called? I'm sure its an antique.

Lane


The one I inherited says "Montgomery Ward" on one line on the decal and
"Grinding Arbor" on the next. My grandfather used an old washing
machine motor in combination with a wheeled sign frame from his gas
station to mount it. It replaced his old hand-crank grinder out in the
garage. Uses 6" wheels and has very cheesy guards and tool rests on
it. It worked well enough to sharpen lawnmower blades, anyway. This
one is a deluxe version, has ball bearings.

Stan

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Looks like the name is also "grinding head".
Check out this url:
http://www.roseantiquetools.com/imag...25,%2025%201/2

Or just look through reseantiquetools.com for the picture from the old
catalog.

Paul



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Looks like the name is also "grinding head".
Check out this url:
http://www.roseantiquetools.com/imag...25,%2025%201/2

Or just look through reseantiquetools.com for the picture from the old
catalog.

Paul


Thanks, I like the term "grinding head".


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The one I inherited says "Montgomery Ward" on one line on the decal and
"Grinding Arbor" on the next. My grandfather used an old washing
machine motor in combination with a wheeled sign frame from his gas
station to mount it. It replaced his old hand-crank grinder out in the
garage. Uses 6" wheels and has very cheesy guards and tool rests on
it. It worked well enough to sharpen lawnmower blades, anyway. This
one is a deluxe version, has ball bearings.

Stan


Thanks. Mine doesn't have any label or other identifying marks at all.


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These can be better then modern bench grinders in one respect. When
you mount a finishing wheel e.g. a buffing wheel and you are finishing
a long shaft, it's nice to not have the motor to interfere. - GWE

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Arbor


I've never heard them called anything but a 'bench grinder'. Most were
driven by an external motor via a pulley and belt(s) ... the integral
motor is just a newer version. There were VERY common through W.W.-II.

I have two of them (6" and 10") still in service mounted in my garage.
They are from my dad's shop. They are bolted to a sturdy bench, with the
motors mounted above and behind them on the wall. I just use them for
'snag' grinding now (and only occasionally), as I now have far better
grinders in my shop. The 10" has a HUGE but only 1/2 hp.(they're LARGE
'horses') repulsion-induction motor on it with a double belt.

These grinders are fine for rough work, but the belts cause some vibration
that is undesirable for more precise work.

Dan Mitchell
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Thanks Dan! Thats what I thought but didn't know for sure.


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Lane no spam wrote:
It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just

a stand
with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in

the
middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding

wheel,
wire wheel or buffer on either side.


I've usually heard them called a "grinding arbor" or
"buffing arbor", or sometimes just "arbor". If you're
really lucky, you can even find them with a chuck on
one end, I assume for use with small grinding points
and carbide burrs. Since eBay seems driven by search
words more than actual descriptions, how about "belt
driven bench grinder buffer wire wheel arbor"?

And no, I don't need one, I've got a couple of "Millers
Falls" ones I need to mount one of these days...

--Glenn Lyford

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On 21 Apr 2005 11:07:54 -0700, wrote:

Looks like the name is also "grinding head".
Check out this url:
http://www.roseantiquetools.com/imag...25,%2025%201/2

Or just look through reseantiquetools.com for the picture from the old
catalog.

Paul


I was pretty sure that is what he was taking about and I have never
seen one before. I'd love to have one of something like that cause I
make some weird stuff at times and the more space close to the work
the best.


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I was pretty sure that is what he was taking about and I have never
seen one before. I'd love to have one of something like that cause I
make some weird stuff at times and the more space close to the work
the best.



You're in luck, I just put it on eBay. Be the high bidder and it is yours.
Item number = 4375586211
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Lane no spam wrote:

It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just


a stand

with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in


the

middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding


wheel,

wire wheel or buffer on either side. There are tool rests, but no


wheel

guards of any kind. I've got one and want to put it on ebay but


haven't the

foggiest idea what they are called. I've Googled and searched on Ebay


every

which way but can't find another one to compare it to. What are these


things

called? I'm sure its an antique.

Lane



The one I inherited says "Montgomery Ward" on one line on the decal and
"Grinding Arbor" on the next. My grandfather used an old washing
machine motor in combination with a wheeled sign frame from his gas
station to mount it. It replaced his old hand-crank grinder out in the
garage. Uses 6" wheels and has very cheesy guards and tool rests on
it. It worked well enough to sharpen lawnmower blades, anyway. This
one is a deluxe version, has ball bearings.

Stan

As I recall (it was long time back) "Grinding Arbor" or "Polishing
Arbor" defined the basic stand with shaft, pulley, and bearings. Such
was used for open wheel grinding, wire brushes, and buffing wheels. Most
had no guards at all.

When you added the wheel guards and grinding tool rests, you had a
"Bench Grinder".

I doubt the nomenclature was highly standardized.

Dan Mitchell
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:38:29 -0700, "Lane" lane (no spam) at
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I was pretty sure that is what he was taking about and I have never
seen one before. I'd love to have one of something like that cause I
make some weird stuff at times and the more space close to the work
the best.



You're in luck, I just put it on eBay. Be the high bidder and it is yours.
Item number = 4375586211
Lane


I need the link (no wrap around) and the $. )


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The bench arbor I had allowed me to have the belt go straight down.
This was helpful because the motor I used just hung on a hinge to
keep the tension on the belt.

My old one (it was made by Millers Falls) chattered. I discovered if I
pushed with a finger on the end of the spindle the chatter went away so
I diagnosed end play. I tore down the spindle and made up a shim. Ran
quiet. Couple of months later it started again. I gave up chasing that
chatter and just lived with it. I never used mine with a grinding wheel,
just a buffing wheel on one side and a rock polishing drum sander about
6" in diameter on the other. That was one awesome polishing setup. That
drum grabbed a carpet knife I was sharpening (the hook kind) and flung it
right in my face. I was wearing a face shield and it took the whole hit.
It destroyed the face shield but I was fine (although a little freaked out).
I hung that face shield in my shop for a few years to make sure my kids
got the point. And I never tried to sharpen a hook knife again.

GWE


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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:54:11 -0700, the inscrutable "Lane" lane (no
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It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just a stand
with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in the
middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding wheel,
wire wheel or buffer on either side. There are tool rests, but no wheel
guards of any kind. I've got one and want to put it on ebay but haven't the
foggiest idea what they are called. I've Googled and searched on Ebay every
which way but can't find another one to compare it to. What are these things
called? I'm sure its an antique.


Lee Valley calls them "double-ended mandrels."
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,43072,45939
I have a similar beast I'll turn into a horizontal mortiser some day.
(Paid $2 for it at an Old Iron auction in Sandy Eggo.)


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agree, "arbor" is the proper technical term
look it up if you don't agree

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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show "Lane" lane (no spam) at
copperaccents dot com wrote back on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:54:11 -0700 in
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It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just a stand
with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in the
middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding wheel,
wire wheel or buffer on either side. There are tool rests, but no wheel
guards of any kind. I've got one and want to put it on ebay but haven't the
foggiest idea what they are called. I've Googled and searched on Ebay every
which way but can't find another one to compare it to. What are these things
called? I'm sure its an antique.


If it is an antique, call it that "Antique Bench Grinder"

Otherwise, "belt driven bench grinder."

Lane


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Top posted to keep things interesting:

I bought one from Graingers last year (#6L099). They still list them in the
catalog, but they are called Ball Bearing Mandrels. I call them Bench Arbors. I
do wish the shaft was a little longer than 12", but it works just fine, driven
by a (real) 3/4 HP motor.

Joe

Lane wrote:

It's made of cast iron with holes to bolt to the bench top; its just a stand
with bronze bushings (oil caps on top) for the arbor with a pully in the
middle that you hook up to a motor behind. You can put a grinding wheel,
wire wheel or buffer on either side. There are tool rests, but no wheel
guards of any kind. I've got one and want to put it on ebay but haven't the
foggiest idea what they are called. I've Googled and searched on Ebay every
which way but can't find another one to compare it to. What are these things
called? I'm sure its an antique.

Lane


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