John Grossbohlin wrote:


Considering that the mail all has the same exact addressing and comes
from myriad sources (banks, financial, insurance, periodicals,
fraternal organizations, schools, local govt and the usual junk) it's
a mystery why I get mail every day but huge volumes of it never make
it or come weeks or months late. The problem is upstream of the
carrier and the local PO... it's at the sorting center(s). The
latest "excuse" was the address isn't in the national 911 database.
Funny... the 911 emergency services found it immediately and
described the location exactly. To paraphrase somebody, "It's the PO
stupid!" ...not directed at anyone but the system!

Mail delivery dependent on 911?

So when you call the cops to report a drunken Freddy Kruger with a
chain-saw, they'll send you a postcard with instructions?

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
John Grossbohlin wrote:


Considering that the mail all has the same exact addressing and comes
from myriad sources (banks, financial, insurance, periodicals,
fraternal organizations, schools, local govt and the usual junk) it's
a mystery why I get mail every day but huge volumes of it never make
it or come weeks or months late. The problem is upstream of the
carrier and the local PO... it's at the sorting center(s). The
latest "excuse" was the address isn't in the national 911 database.
Funny... the 911 emergency services found it immediately and
described the location exactly. To paraphrase somebody, "It's the PO
stupid!" ...not directed at anyone but the system!

Mail delivery dependent on 911?

So when you call the cops to report a drunken Freddy Kruger with a
chain-saw, they'll send you a postcard with instructions?

Apparently.... that's one reason to dial 1911, as in 1911A1. There are 7
responders at that number. ;~)

The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for "real"
addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I should be lucky
they don't think I'm dead!

There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a caption
citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO says doesn't
exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for many decades. Endless
BS with no resolution....

John

"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
m:

The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
"real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!

There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....


Time to contact your Comgressperson ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Han" wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
m:

The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
"real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!

There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....


Time to contact your Comgressperson ...


Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year now... We
need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time is up
and it will be escalated soon.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:19:43 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:42:04 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

Just how long all y'all goan beat that dayud horse, anyway?

Teaching history is never beating a dead horse. Every country has its
legends and the US, both north and south, has its share. I try to debunk
them.

If you don't like the civil war topic. how about a little further back?
How many people know that Washington, our great hero, actually fired the
first shots (for the British) in the French and Indian wars - after which
he surrendered. Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
salary he was offered. And that while he supposedly didn't want to be
king, he definitely supported an aristocracy and was horrified at the
thought of democracy.

I could go on but I think you get the point.

BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our country
was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.

No Adams?

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:39:24 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our
country was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.

No Adams?

No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the president
but was written to automatically expire when he left office.

" Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write,
print, utter, or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written,
printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or
aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous
and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United
States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the
President of the United States, with intent to defame the said
government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President,
or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to
excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good
people of the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations
therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any
act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such
law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United
States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid,
encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the
United States, their people or government, then such person, being
thereof convicted before any court of the United States having
jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two
thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall be
prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel
aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the
cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter
contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall
try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact,
under the direction of the court, as in other cases.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue
to be in force until March 3, 1801, and no longer..."



--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:57:17 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:39:24 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our
country was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.

No Adams?

No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the president
but was written to automatically expire when he left office.

You define "father of our country" a *lot* differently that I do.

" Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write,
print, utter, or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written,
printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or
aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous
and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United
States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the
President of the United States, with intent to defame the said
government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President,
or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to
excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good
people of the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations
therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any
act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such
law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United
States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid,
encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the
United States, their people or government, then such person, being
thereof convicted before any court of the United States having
jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two
thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall be
prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel
aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the
cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter
contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall
try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact,
under the direction of the court, as in other cases.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue
to be in force until March 3, 1801, and no longer..."

"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
m...

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
John Grossbohlin wrote:


Considering that the mail all has the same exact addressing and comes
from myriad sources (banks, financial, insurance, periodicals,
fraternal organizations, schools, local govt and the usual junk) it's
a mystery why I get mail every day but huge volumes of it never make
it or come weeks or months late. The problem is upstream of the
carrier and the local PO... it's at the sorting center(s). The
latest "excuse" was the address isn't in the national 911 database.
Funny... the 911 emergency services found it immediately and
described the location exactly. To paraphrase somebody, "It's the PO
stupid!" ...not directed at anyone but the system!

Mail delivery dependent on 911?

So when you call the cops to report a drunken Freddy Kruger with a
chain-saw, they'll send you a postcard with instructions?

Apparently.... that's one reason to dial 1911, as in 1911A1. There are 7
responders at that number. ;~)

The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for "real"
addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I should be lucky
they don't think I'm dead!

There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO says
doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for many
decades. Endless BS with no resolution....

John

Tried your Congress Critturs? I had very good luck with that when the VA was
giving me the old soft shoe.

--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."

"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
news

"Han" wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
m:

The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
"real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!

There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....


Time to contact your Comgressperson ...


Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year now... We
need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time is up
and it will be escalated soon.



Doesn't sound right. When the VA was messing with me, one of our Senators
got it fixed in three days.

--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:42:04 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

Just how long all y'all goan beat that dayud horse, anyway?

Teaching history is never beating a dead horse. Every country has its
legends and the US, both north and south, has its share. I try to debunk
them.

If you don't like the civil war topic. how about a little further back?
How many people know that Washington, our great hero, actually fired the
first shots (for the British) in the French and Indian wars - after which
he surrendered. Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
salary he was offered.

Were the expenses valid?

--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."

"Bill" wrote in message
...
George W Frost wrote:
Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War

I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the
almighty
Statue of Liberty on the face,
However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
replica in Las Vegas.
Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift, or
lost
in the fog?
Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
decided to take a photo of the one there?
Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and thought
that
was it?


Yeah, I think I heard they grabbed the image from "Google images" by
mistake. What sort of "professionals" are these stamp publishers?



CHEAP!

--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."

"willshak" wrote in message
m...
Bill wrote the following:
George W Frost wrote:
Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War

I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the
almighty
Statue of Liberty on the face,
However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
replica in Las Vegas.
Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift, or
lost
in the fog?
Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
decided to take a photo of the one there?
Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and thought
that
was it?


Yeah, I think I heard they grabbed the image from "Google images" by
mistake. What sort of "professionals" are these stamp publishers?



The Las Vegas statue looks better than the real statue.
On a less controversial note, the USPS will honor Helen Hayes, "The First
Lady of the American Theater", with a stamp on April 25th.
This is especially notable for me since I was born and lived in the same
town as Helen, and went to High School with her adopted son, James (Jamie)
MacArthur (Detective Danial Williams 'Danno' on "Hawaii 5-0"). He only
spent the 9th grade with us.



Book Him, Danno!
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:23:29 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the
president but was written to automatically expire when he left office.

You define "father of our country" a *lot* differently that I do.

The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for the
troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
aristocracy.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:46:59 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:

Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
salary he was offered.

Were the expenses valid?

Apparently not - see:

http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/washington/

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

In article , says...

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:23:29 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the
president but was written to automatically expire when he left office.

You define "father of our country" a *lot* differently that I do.

The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for the
troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
aristocracy.

The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
of the government.

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
news

"Han" wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
m:

The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
"real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!

There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....


Time to contact your Comgressperson ...


Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year now...
We need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time is
up and it will be escalated soon.



Doesn't sound right. When the VA was messing with me, one of our Senators
got it fixed in three days.

You are right, it isn't right. No accountability in the postal system.

I'm dealing with a Congressman.... PO gives them a song and dance and assure
them it's all OK and when it fails again I go through the hoops again. This
time should be the last hoop with the locals as it's supposed to be
escalated this time.

In article ,
says...

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
news

"Han" wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
m:

The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
"real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!

There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....


Time to contact your Comgressperson ...


Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year now...
We need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time is
up and it will be escalated soon.



Doesn't sound right. When the VA was messing with me, one of our Senators
got it fixed in three days.

You are right, it isn't right. No accountability in the postal system.

I'm dealing with a Congressman.... PO gives them a song and dance and assure
them it's all OK and when it fails again I go through the hoops again. This
time should be the last hoop with the locals as it's supposed to be
escalated this time.

You are insufficiently creative. "Dear Congressman Sludgepump, have you
recieved the check I wrote you three months ago? It has not cleared and
I am concerned that the post office might have lost it."

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
in.local...
In article ,
says...

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
message
news
"Han" wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
m:

The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
"real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!

There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....


Time to contact your Comgressperson ...


Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year
now...
We need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time
is
up and it will be escalated soon.



Doesn't sound right. When the VA was messing with me, one of our
Senators
got it fixed in three days.

You are right, it isn't right. No accountability in the postal system.

I'm dealing with a Congressman.... PO gives them a song and dance and
assure
them it's all OK and when it fails again I go through the hoops again.
This
time should be the last hoop with the locals as it's supposed to be
escalated this time.

You are insufficiently creative. "Dear Congressman Sludgepump, have you
recieved the check I wrote you three months ago? It has not cleared and
I am concerned that the post office might have lost it."

Interesting approach... but I'd have to phrase it such that it was in regard
to a check he sent me.... ;~)

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
aristocracy.

The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
of the government.

I was considering the few decades before that, even.

You mean when all three of them were active? Jefferson with the
Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
the revolution?

I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
father of a democracy go right ahead.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

In article , says...

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
aristocracy.

The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
of the government.

I was considering the few decades before that, even.

You mean when all three of them were active? Jefferson with the
Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
the revolution?

I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
father of a democracy go right ahead.

He was the founding father of a republic that was carefully designed to
avoid the problems that occur with a democracy.

Of course it's politically correct now to claim that a republic is a
special case of a democracy, because no right thinking person would ever
criticize democracy.

On 4/21/2011 1:06 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In , says...

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
aristocracy.

The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
of the government.

I was considering the few decades before that, even.

You mean when all three of them were active? Jefferson with the
Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
the revolution?

I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
father of a democracy go right ahead.

He was the founding father of a republic that was carefully designed to
avoid the problems that occur with a democracy.

Of course it's politically correct now to claim that a republic is a
special case of a democracy, because no right thinking person would ever
criticize democracy.


I think a democracy would be an awful tyranny. In a pure democracy, any
majority could strip any right from any minority at any time. Does this
mean I'm not a right thinking person?

In article ,
says...

On 4/21/2011 1:06 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In , says...

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
aristocracy.

The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
of the government.

I was considering the few decades before that, even.

You mean when all three of them were active? Jefferson with the
Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
the revolution?

I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
father of a democracy go right ahead.

He was the founding father of a republic that was carefully designed to
avoid the problems that occur with a democracy.

Of course it's politically correct now to claim that a republic is a
special case of a democracy, because no right thinking person would ever
criticize democracy.


I think a democracy would be an awful tyranny. In a pure democracy, any
majority could strip any right from any minority at any time. Does this
mean I'm not a right thinking person?

No, it means that you actually have a decent education. If it came from
the public schools maybe there is hope yet.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 17:17:38 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
aristocracy.

The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
of the government.

I was considering the few decades before that, even.

You mean when all three of them were active?

No, when they were inactive. ????? I was referring to Adams, earlier.

Jefferson with the
Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
the revolution?

Which I suppose Adams had nothing to do with?

I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
father of a democracy go right ahead.

WTF did I say about Washington??????

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:46:59 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:

Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
salary he was offered.

Were the expenses valid?

Apparently not - see:

http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/washington/

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw


And people complain about a few Congresscritters expensing lap dances!

--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:06:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

He was the founding father of a republic that was carefully designed to
avoid the problems that occur with a democracy.

Of course it's politically correct now to claim that a republic is a
special case of a democracy, because no right thinking person would ever
criticize democracy.

Hemlock?

Mark