We were using FrameMaker big time - they were down the street - cool software.
It was growing and we made it a company standard. The pc managers got a copy
and both sides of the building were happy.

It was great as I could import HPGL plots from my HP scopes and network analyzer
machines and do reports. Not much supported that plot file structure.

Martin

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:48:40 -0600, the infamous "Martin H. Eastburn"
scrawled the following:

Larry -

I was doing web designs on Sun 3 and Sun 4 boxes a long long time ago.
Internally before the WorldWideWeb was shortened to WWW and other names.

Cool!


Mosaic was the first 'Netscape' long before the other browsers and companies.

Yes, I used it as my first browser!


Tiff was one of the primary formats a number of others - now mostly obscure.

Was it used mostly in the medical and/or scientific fields, for x-ray
transfers, astronomy, and such? It never made it to the wider public
that I know of.


The web for me started in 1987 when I downloaded (via our FTP server)
from CERN the install files for Mosaic. Two of us were tasked to get a
division up and going. I did practical pages and collected graphics.

Ayup, you have 7-8 years on me there. I sure like what the Web has
turned into since then, don't you? Back then, it was a large step up
from the BBSes I hung out on, but look what it can do and provide
today. Amazing. I love it!


I still have and use TIFF / TIF format - my camera generates TIF and JPG
at the same time. And Jpg only.

My Nikon D-40 does RAW and JPG.


--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:47:54 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

Apple was still using Frame at least 2004 for documentation, but TIFF
was never a web graphic format, Martin.


http://1997.webhistory.org/www.lists...94q4/0717.html



Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:47:54 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

In article , Martin

Apple was still using Frame at least 2004 for documentation, but TIFF
was never a web graphic format, Martin.



http://1997.webhistory.org/www.lists...94q4/0797.html
Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

"Jimmy Mac" wrote in message
...
Okay now - I hears me name has been dragged through the archives. Lo
and behold - THE GANG'S ALL HERE! LOL!

Good day to me Top Bloke at the bottom of the world - been a long time
Phully. Nahmie was kind enuff to send out the mention.

Jummy me old cobber . .!
Gudday mate . .. .

Now this may come as a bit of a shock to you . . but I have just gotten back
from the arfternoon ( well most of the day at really) having lunch in the
pub with a bunch of friends helping one of them have a bit of a birthday .
.. . never seem to get tired of it . .
And before I flop onto one of the sofas and pretend to look at TV for a bit
before I wake up and go to bed, I thought I'd have a look in with my new
found interest in the wreck ( thanks to comment from Larry - and a call
from diggerop) and see who has popped up .. . .
And bugger me if there arent some of the old ratbags shoving theys two bobs
worth in again . . .

Now you as well thanks to good old Nahmie.
What was it Larry called us at the start when it was all just a big old bun
fight . .. . . the Jackalopes? Ah the memories of those fun times and all
the tears before bedtime . . and some woodworking titbits as well . .all
that lovely Jummywood

This is almost cause to start paying attention to Jean -who has been showing
me a whole lot of stuff lately about Cruising the Med . . .I might re awaken
my campaign to get me and the old boiler to Las Vegas instead .. . . .

Glad things are good for you Jums you old cowboy.
Off to my Sofa now - and will get back to you again soon.

Phully

Actually, my "shop" got moved to BIL's garage in Longview, TX about 4
yrs ago. SWMBO retired, we sold house & live in a 36' 5th wheel RV,
spend Summer back near kids in Jamestown, NY and Winter here in TX.
Can't really cut equipment down too much because BIL wants to get into
more ww'ing, and he will inherit when I'm gone. Had Lap Band surgery
in Jan. '08, dumped about 60lb. and when I can get rid of another 70,
gonna try for new knees, providing our illustrious leaders new health
care plan will allow it. In the meantime, I do some scroll saw stuff,
and keep a chair nearby so I can take breaks from standing, although
sometimes it's worse to have to get up again than to keep standing!

Again, "Hi" to all.
Norm

Gudday Norm
I was just thinking about you the other day . . . whilst moving shop I was
clearing all the stuff off one of the walls in the showroom - one of them
being a cheque for US$10 that you sent me for some raffle tickets on a piece
that I had donated to our Bowling Club. . I never cashed it, but donated
$20 to the club in lieu ( I did fill some tickets out for you as well )
Anyway, I had always kept that cheque as a bit of momento and as I took it
off the wall the other day I thought of you and wished you well. . .

Hope things are going well with you - and hope now to pay some more
attention to the old wreck - great to see some the old mob popping up..
..almost like a humping great big group hug innit. . .?

Cheers mate

Phully

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:43:51 -0600, the infamous "Martin H. Eastburn"
scrawled the following:

Widely ? - likely not. Not many were doing web design when I was starting.
One had to be on the inside of very high tech science to have access to
the early version of browser. We were writing how to files as there were
not any paperbacks or documents to be found.

Our internal network was in swing while the outside was in Bulletin boards.

Yeah, OK. I didn't get into it until it had gone fully public and
personal computers were readily available. You were Inner Sanctum.

--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine

On Nov 11, 11:03*am, "diggerop" toobusy@themoment wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message

...

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:09 -0800 (PST), the infamous phil
scrawled the following:

Reading the exchanges between Phully and yourself, it struck me that the
everyday vernacular I use talking with my Aussie mates is nothing like the
way I express myself in the wreck.
Mainly because I don't think anyone other than Aussies, or those like
yourself who have spent time in this country would understand it if I did
use Aussie expressions.

A typical exchange from when I met up with a former New Zealander workmate/
friend.
"G'day you horrible old *******." *; *"Well I'll be buggered, if it isn't
the old Kiwi sheep shagger himself."
Translation: both of us were saying "Hello old friend, it's really good to
see you"

"So, how've you been?" ; "Crook as a dog mate" ; "what a *******"
Translation: So how is your health?; *"Not good, I've been quite ill," ;
"That's a shame, I'm sorry to hear it."

"So, what's with the bag of fruit?" ; *"The missus wants me to go to this
bunfight with her" ;
"You look as flash as a rat with a gold tooth" ; *"Yair, I feel like a pox
doctor's clerk"
Translation: "I see you're wearing a suit". ; " Yes, my wife asked me to
attend a formal dinner with her." *; *"It's not often I see you dressed a
smartly as that" *; "Yes you're right, I'm not comfortable in these sorts of
clothes."

Current Americanised generation of Aussie kids wouldn't have a clue what we
were talking about either. "Yo brother, what those two old mother f......'s
talking 'bout?"

Going to ring the World Wildlife Fund tomorrow and have myself listed as an
endangered species. * * : )

A culturally endangered diggerop.

Ah my dear brother Larry - you forgot that Phully does not refer to
his wife as his wife . . . she would be the old boiler! LOL!

Jummy

On Nov 11, 2:31*pm, Tom Watson wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:09 -0800 (PST), phil

wrote:
Gudday boys

Good to see your voice, Phully.

From Tom - in Philly, Phully.

Regards,

Tom Watsonhttp://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Hi Tom - when did this become a reunion? It's great to "see"
everyone back here for just a few moments.

Jummy
aka Minwax Mac - aka Jim McNamara . . . living in Vegas
www.brazosriverband.com

On Nov 11, 2:48*pm, jo4hn wrote:
Tom Watson wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:09 -0800 (PST), phil
wrote:

Gudday boys

Good to see your voice, Phully.

From Tom - in Philly, Phully.

Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

I'll add an amen to that.
* * * * weirdly yours,
* * * * jo4hn- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mahalo old friend!

Jummy

On Nov 12, 5:04*pm, Nahmie wrote:
On Nov 11, 7:02*am, phil wrote:

On Nov 11, 9:34 pm, Noons wrote:

SNIP
- Show quoted text -

My goodness, look at the gremlins pop out of the woodwork! Glad to
"see" you, Phully & Larry.

I hear from Jummy once in a while. Guess he's still into the
construction, but also very active in a band

www.brazosriverband.com

Anyhoo, Hi to all. Legs/knees getting worse, so pretty much doing
sitdown ww'ing, but I'm trying to work up some turned Christmas
ornaments for presents @ our church Christmas party(chinese auction).

Norm

Hi Nahmie - thanks for the "tip off" on the old Wrecker Resurrection!
This is great.

Jummy

On Nov 13, 6:46*am, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:04:50 -0800 (PST), the infamous Nahmie
scrawled the following:

On Nov 11, 7:02*am, phil wrote:
On Nov 11, 9:34 pm, Noons wrote:

SNIP
- Show quoted text -

My goodness, look at the gremlins pop out of the woodwork! Glad to
"see" you, Phully & Larry.

Hey, same here, Nahmie. *I should say "Hi!" to Noons, too, since I
haven't talked to him since coming back.

I hear from Jummy once in a while. Guess he's still into the
construction, but also very active in a band

www.brazosriverband.com

Well, when he ain't hackin' away at pineywood, he's hackin' away at
C&W music, huh? *Ain't that sweet? *[Hey, Jums! Throw a nice, long,
sensual hug and a liplock on Amie for me, will ya? Yowza! Schweet!)
(Oops, hope she's not your woman.)] Hmm, there sure are a lot of good
looking women singing Country, aren't there? *Jums looks to be doing
well.

Anyhoo, Hi to all. Legs/knees getting worse, so pretty much doing
sitdown ww'ing, but I'm trying to work up some turned Christmas
ornaments for presents @ our church Christmas party(chinese auction).

My wrists are starting to get to me, so I may not be doing the larger
handyman jobs in the future.

Have you lowered your shop to suit seated wooddorking yet, Nahmie? the
nice thing about benches and such is that you can hack 'em off at the
knees if you want, or drop 'em and open 'em up so you can roll into
them with an electric chair. *Oops, I meant "electric wheelchair",
didn't I? *I've been assembling and delivering Jazzy carts and chairs
to the locals for the last year, too, and installing those "Help! I've
fallen and can't get up!" Life Alert units, too.

With my shop so crowded with junk, I've done most of my wooddorking
outside, on horses and the grass. Not "fine" by any means, but it's
mostly construction work, so it's no biggie.

Take care!

--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. *Now that's SCARY! * * * * * * * --Maxine

Well Larry - the "Reader's Digest " version:

Got the divorce. Went half crazy now and then - sold all the sawdust
makers, quit my job and moved to Atlanta for
about 3 weeks. Visited with my son, looked for gainful employment,
and then Harvey (used to frequent the wreck) called
me and told me to head for Las Vegas (a place I never even wanted to
visit!) Stayed with him and his family for about 3
weeks, got my own place, working as a project manager for the largest
mechanical contractor in the city. Advanced to Senior
Quality Control Inspector making a great living. A lot has happened
to old Jums since the old days. I got married a year and a half
ago to a beautiful (and younger) woman who got me back into church.
I've got the band going full swing - we've performed at most
of the major casinos up and down the Strip, opened for a few of the
big names in country music (Reba, Big & Rich, Dwight Yoakum)
and having the time of our lives. I am truly blessed - something I
thought I would never be able to say. The other thing that keeps me
grounded and busy is that I also accepted the role of a lay minister
in our church. I preach at an assisted living center around the
corner from our church, and I also perform marriages and funerals.
Yup - old Minwax Mac has changed a lot! But for what is the
remainder of my life: I wouldn't change it for anything! I built all
my backyard furniture (redwood . . . no jummywood in the bunch!)
but it still won't hold up to the desert heat with 4% humidity! The
hottest it's been since I got here almost 8 years ago was 121°.
They say it's a dry heat and it's not as bad but believe me . . . my
oven is a dry heat and it cooks my food! LOL!

My best wishes and love goes out to each and every one of you. I
learned more about woodworking and life from you brothers
than I ever did from anyone else. We lost a wrecker a few months
back - Tom Rush in Sugar Land. Life is precious ~ it can
go in a heartbeat (or maybe just a 1/4 of a finger at a time) I heard
from a lot of you guys back when the divorce was severing
my life . . . If I ever failed to say it, thank you! Life is
good . . . but I'll still never build a spruce goose or talk with
anyone that
wants to! ROTFLMAO!

Jim McNamara
aka Jummy - Jums - Minwax Mac - Former user of Pineywood.

Nahmie can get you the story of the Pineywood that originated in
Aussie Land with Brother Phully. Still a fun read!
www.brazosriverband.com come see us in Vegas!

On Nov 14, 2:57*am, "philip" wrote:
"Jimmy Mac" wrote in message

...
Okay now - I hears me name has been dragged through the archives. *Lo
and behold - THE GANG'S ALL HERE! * LOL!

Good day to me Top Bloke at the bottom of the world - been a long time
Phully. *Nahmie was kind enuff to send out the mention.

*Jummy me old cobber . .!
Gudday mate . .. .

Now this may come as a bit of a shock to you . . but I have just gotten back
from the arfternoon ( well most of the day at really) having lunch in the
pub with a bunch of friends helping one of them *have a bit of a birthday .
. . never seem to get tired of it . .
And before I flop onto one of the sofas and pretend to look at TV for a bit
before I wake up and go to bed, I thought I'd have a look in with my new
found interest in the wreck ( thanks to comment from Larry *- and a call
from diggerop) and see who has popped up .. . .
And bugger me if there arent some of the old ratbags shoving theys two bobs
worth in again . . .

Now you as well thanks to good old Nahmie.
What was it Larry called us at the start when it was all just a big old bun
fight . .. . . the Jackalopes? Ah the memories of those fun times and all
the tears before bedtime . . and some woodworking titbits as well *. .all
that lovely Jummywood

This is almost cause to start paying attention to Jean -who has been showing
me a whole lot of stuff lately about Cruising the Med . . .I might re awaken
my campaign to get me and the old boiler to Las Vegas instead *.. . . .

Glad things are good for you Jums you old cowboy.
Off to my Sofa now - and will get back to you again soon.

Phully

Back at old mate . . . use a push stick - ya only got 9-1/2 left
bloke! I wrote a
small story and it's in this thread somewhere . . . on my dresser is a
jarrah box
that my best cobber top bloke made for me a lot of years ago. I still
look at it
in a mushy kinda way . . . I think that when I cash in my chips at the
end, I'll use
it for my final ash tray! LOL!

I'm sure Jean doesn't remember me, but give her my best!

Looking at ya . . . . Jummy

Jimmy Mac wrote:
On Nov 11, 2:48 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Tom Watson wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:09 -0800 (PST), phil
wrote:
Gudday boys
Good to see your voice, Phully.
From Tom - in Philly, Phully.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
I'll add an amen to that.
weirdly yours,
jo4hn- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mahalo old friend!

Jummy

Alooooooooohaaa Jums. It's good to hear from you, Phully, Nahmie, yes
and even (laying his hand aside of his mouth) C-less. :-)
Now when the Duke of URLs shows up...
mahalo (from SoCal mountains where it was 20dF this morning),
jo4hn

www.heritagequest.com allows census images to be downloaded this way.
The other option is a PDF. 80% of the images I have are in .TIF.

Mike in Ohio

Dave Balderstone wrote:
snip

I don't know of any use of TIFF as a standard web graphic format.

Please cite.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:35:52 -0800 (PST), the infamous Jimmy Mac
scrawled the following:

On Nov 11, 11:03*am, "diggerop" toobusy@themoment wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message

...

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:09 -0800 (PST), the infamous phil
scrawled the following:

Reading the exchanges between Phully and yourself, it struck me that the
everyday vernacular I use talking with my Aussie mates is nothing like the
way I express myself in the wreck.
Mainly because I don't think anyone other than Aussies, or those like
yourself who have spent time in this country would understand it if I did
use Aussie expressions.

A typical exchange from when I met up with a former New Zealander workmate/
friend.
"G'day you horrible old *******." *; *"Well I'll be buggered, if it isn't
the old Kiwi sheep shagger himself."
Translation: both of us were saying "Hello old friend, it's really good to
see you"

"So, how've you been?" ; "Crook as a dog mate" ; "what a *******"
Translation: So how is your health?; *"Not good, I've been quite ill," ;
"That's a shame, I'm sorry to hear it."

"So, what's with the bag of fruit?" ; *"The missus wants me to go to this
bunfight with her" ;
"You look as flash as a rat with a gold tooth" ; *"Yair, I feel like a pox
doctor's clerk"
Translation: "I see you're wearing a suit". ; " Yes, my wife asked me to
attend a formal dinner with her." *; *"It's not often I see you dressed a
smartly as that" *; "Yes you're right, I'm not comfortable in these sorts of
clothes."

Current Americanised generation of Aussie kids wouldn't have a clue what we
were talking about either. "Yo brother, what those two old mother f......'s
talking 'bout?"

Going to ring the World Wildlife Fund tomorrow and have myself listed as an
endangered species. * * : )

A culturally endangered diggerop.

Ah my dear brother Larry - you forgot that Phully does not refer to
his wife as his wife . . . she would be the old boiler! LOL!

There are two problems with the above post. One, Dop thinks I was in
Oz at some time in my life. The truth is that I've only been there in
my nightmares, er, dreams; yeah, that's it.

Two, you think I called the old boiler "wife", but my text isn't even
included in any of the above post. The word was used in Dop's xlation.

So there. Pffft! Mr. Smarty Pants Millionaire. Pffft! Mr. College
Professor. Pffft! Mr. Beatnick. Pffft! Mr, Hippie!

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

On Nov 13, 8:04*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:02:03 -0800 (PST), the infamous Nahmie
scrawled the following:

Actually, my "shop" got moved to BIL's garage in Longview, TX about 4
yrs ago. SWMBO retired, we sold house & live in a 36' 5th wheel RV,
spend Summer back near kids in Jamestown, NY and Winter here in TX.
Can't really cut equipment down too much because BIL wants to get into
more ww'ing, and he will inherit when I'm gone. Had Lap Band surgery
in Jan. '08, dumped about 60lb. and when I can get rid of another 70,
gonna try for new knees, providing our illustrious leaders new health
care plan will allow it.

Good luck with that one. *Hmm, I seem to recall, heap many moons ago,
you had a little accident with your 18-wheeler. *Did that contribute
to the fun with your knees?


Not really. Knee problems originate from '74 when I broke left knee.
Finally showed me what was going on about '98, cartilage gone. Of
course, now the right knee is shot because it does all the work. Thank
goodness for Vicodin! Get both knees relubed every 2-3 mo. with
Cortisone.

In the meantime, I do some scroll saw stuff,
and keep a chair nearby so I can take breaks from standing, although
sometimes it's worse to have to get up again than to keep standing!

I hear ya. *I turned 56 this year. *It's hell getting old. *bseg

Growing old is NOT for the wimpy!
--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. *Now that's SCARY! * * * * * * * --Maxine

Heard a different version; Between plastic surgery, tats & Viagra, In
about 40 years
we'll have a nation of big boobed tattood broads and a bunch ofr men
with boners, and none of them can remember what to do with them.

Norm

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...


There are two problems with the above post. One, Dop thinks I was in
Oz at some time in my life. The truth is that I've only been there in
my nightmares, er, dreams; yeah, that's it.


Maaate.......
I'm terribly saddened to hear that. Imagine never having been to Oz.
I can only guess at what a painful gaping hole that would leave in a man's
soul.
Must be like a honeybee forced to live on vinegar all it's life. Knowing
that ther's all that sweet nectar going begging and instead he gets the
bitter crap.
Never mind mate, - I can tell you that this is the best place on earth,
has the sexiest friendliest Sheilas, the best climate and the best booze.
I'll be only too happy to let you know in great detail, at any time, just
how much you've missed out on.
After all, what are mates for?

diggerop

Yes.

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Michael Kenefick
wrote:

www.heritagequest.com allows census images to be downloaded this way.
The other option is a PDF. 80% of the images I have are in .TIF.

Mike in Ohio

Downloaded.

Displayed in a web browser?

"Tom Watson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:09 -0800 (PST), phil
wrote:

Gudday boys


Good to see your voice, Phully.

From Tom - in Philly, Phully.




Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Cheers Tom
You too mate
Anyone who starts to think they are a bit clever with their craft should go
and have a look at your work to bring them back to earth ,and give them
something to aspire to. . .

Phully far from Philly

"Jimmy Mac" wrote in message
...
Okay now - I hears me name has been dragged through the archives. Lo
and behold - THE GANG'S ALL HERE! LOL!

Good day to me Top Bloke at the bottom of the world - been a long time
Phully. Nahmie was kind enuff to send out the mention.

Actually living in Las Vegas. Got a full time job doing the 9 to 5
thing . . . a full time country band performing up and down the Strip
(opening for the likes of Big and Rich, Reba McEntire, Dwight Yoakum)
and believe it or not, got just enough tools left (or purchased) to
build all my own redwood furniture (including octagon poker table) for
my back yard. Unfortunately, you can't keep enough "juice" in wood
outdoors in the desert - but I'm having fun with it. I really do miss
everyone and all the trouble we used to get into on the wreck. If
anyone has any plans to come to Vegas, email me and let me know.
I'll hook you up with the best places to stay and comp tickets for
our show as well!

Take care and holler back!

Jim (aka Jummy, Minwax Mac, etc.)
www.brazosriverband.com


Ooh er . . . Jummy - you certainly aint a bloke for staying in the same old
box ( so to speak) is yer . .. .?

I suppose with a lot of us at some stage there is some catharsis that
changes our direction/outlook on life etc.
It sounds like your world is a good place.

but hang on . . . Preaching . . ? Weddings and Funerals .. ? Maybe we
will come to Vegas and you can get me and the old boiler actually hitched
up - after 30 years of being "shacked up" . .........there must be somebody
out there . . .. .!

I dont mind if you have given up carousing with wild wimmin . . but please
tell me you havent given up important stuff like cussin and drinkin . . . .!

Gotta go - my management team has just instructed me to go for a walk with
her and the dogs . .. feel like a bit of a walk too, seemed to have had a
good day at the pub yesterday. . .

Phully

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:08:15 -0800 (PST), the infamous Nahmie
scrawled the following:

On Nov 13, 8:04*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:02:03 -0800 (PST), the infamous Nahmie
scrawled the following:

Actually, my "shop" got moved to BIL's garage in Longview, TX about 4
yrs ago. SWMBO retired, we sold house & live in a 36' 5th wheel RV,
spend Summer back near kids in Jamestown, NY and Winter here in TX.
Can't really cut equipment down too much because BIL wants to get into
more ww'ing, and he will inherit when I'm gone. Had Lap Band surgery
in Jan. '08, dumped about 60lb. and when I can get rid of another 70,
gonna try for new knees, providing our illustrious leaders new health
care plan will allow it.

Good luck with that one. *Hmm, I seem to recall, heap many moons ago,
you had a little accident with your 18-wheeler. *Did that contribute
to the fun with your knees?


Not really. Knee problems originate from '74 when I broke left knee.
Finally showed me what was going on about '98, cartilage gone. Of
course, now the right knee is shot because it does all the work.

Suckage!


Thank goodness for Vicodin! Get both knees relubed every 2-3 mo. with
Cortisone.

I used up a couple bottles of Vicodin with my broken finger. I had no
idea that tiny little bones like the distal phalanx (right index
fingertip) hurt so much when they broke. I hate taking pain killers,
having abused them (though combined with alcohol, they kicked my ass
so hard it drove me to get sober), but when they're needed, I take
them according to the prescription. In years past, I'd have gone back
to the MD and said "They're not doing anything for me? Can I get a
larger scrip for something much stronger?" I'm glad those days are
over.


In the meantime, I do some scroll saw stuff,
and keep a chair nearby so I can take breaks from standing, although
sometimes it's worse to have to get up again than to keep standing!

I hear ya. *I turned 56 this year. *It's hell getting old. *bseg

Growing old is NOT for the wimpy!

Abbalooley!


--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. *Now that's SCARY! * * * * * * * --Maxine

Heard a different version; Between plastic surgery, tats & Viagra, In
about 40 years
we'll have a nation of big boobed tattood broads and a bunch ofr men
with boners, and none of them can remember what to do with them.

That reminds me of the nursing home joke. A young lady goes to visit
her aged father in the home and as she's leaving, she sees the nurse
filling up cup after cup with Viagra. She asks if her father wil
receive one and the nurse says "Oh, of course. All the old guys get
these. It keeps them from rolling out of bed during the night."

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:22:41 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article , Michael Kenefick
wrote:

www.heritagequest.com allows census images to be downloaded this way.
The other option is a PDF. 80% of the images I have are in .TIF.

Mike in Ohio

Downloaded.

Displayed in a web browser?

Only if you have either the Alternatiff or other free plugin.

http://www.uspto.gov/faq/plugins/tiff.jsp


--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:21:41 +0800, the infamous "diggerop"
toobusy@themoment scrawled the following:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .


There are two problems with the above post. One, Dop thinks I was in
Oz at some time in my life. The truth is that I've only been there in
my nightmares, er, dreams; yeah, that's it.


Maaate.......
I'm terribly saddened to hear that. Imagine never having been to Oz.
I can only guess at what a painful gaping hole that would leave in a man's
soul.

I'll thank you to leave my gapers alone. huff

After seeing all the scenery in the Crocodile Dundee films, I really
wanted to tour Oz.

Oh, Rachel and Sela Ward (va va VOOM!), Anna Paquin, Nicole Kidman,
Cate Blanchette, Anna Torv, Yvonne Strzechowski, Miranda Otto, Rose
Byrne, Rachel Griffiths, Emilie de Ravin, and all the other gorgeous
actresses are from there. THANKS for sharing!

I've enjoyed watching Aussie actors Heath Ledger, Mel Gibson, Hugh
Jackman, and Russell Crowe, too, besides Paul Hogan, my-man!


Must be like a honeybee forced to live on vinegar all it's life. Knowing
that ther's all that sweet nectar going begging and instead he gets the
bitter crap.
Never mind mate, - I can tell you that this is the best place on earth,
has the sexiest friendliest Sheilas, the best climate and the best booze.
I'll be only too happy to let you know in great detail, at any time, just
how much you've missed out on.
After all, what are mates for?

Roit. Yeah, I've always wanted to vacation there, but it's just
too damned expensive to fly halfway across the world for a week.

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

This was an old version - long time ago.
And I use TIF/TIFF when I want full graphics.

Otherwise you get compressed junk that might look ok and might not.

My camera generates it and it is a high quality picture.

NASA posts TIF in the their very high res pictures.

It isn't new it is one of the older versions.

The newest is a short movie as a picture. Getting out of hand.
On internal nets - all sorts of formats are used. On external webs lots of
formats are used but mostly bmp and jpg.

Map formats are TIF or other professional formats.
Scientific drawings are in Tif - I have a DNA drawing in that format.
And naturally lots of personal pictures as well.

Ever write documents or draw in post script ? or .eps ? That is why
HP printers have post script options. People now days use pdf of something else.

I have the programming manual.

Martin

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article ,
Martin H. Eastburn wrote:

Widely ? - likely not. Not many were doing web design when I was starting.
One had to be on the inside of very high tech science to have access to
the early version of browser. We were writing how to files as there were
not any paperbacks or documents to be found.

Our internal network was in swing while the outside was in Bulletin boards.

I don't know of any use of TIFF as a standard web graphic format.

Please cite.

Dave when did you do your first web site ?

Web graphics can be in TIFF or TIF(if pc) - the only reason for the
lower resolution of JPG is faster loads. When data is wanted and speed
isn't the need - use TIF.

It just wasn't in your use.
And 2004 is not early in web sites at all.

If you were an Apple person - maybe TIF wasn't allowed on an apple.
Apple had graphics problems due to resolution issues.

Graphics that worked on my Sun and my PC would not function on a Mac.
It was painful for me to get a graphic low enough resolution and low color
count for my managers Mac. Engineers spent to much time changing for managers.

Martin


Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Martin
H. Eastburn wrote:

We were using FrameMaker big time - they were down the street - cool software.
It was growing and we made it a company standard. The pc managers got a copy
and both sides of the building were happy.

Apple was still using Frame at least 2004 for documentation, but TIFF
was never a web graphic format, Martin.

Those said it was but wasn't the thing for the web.
It was a raw format not a movie format or a wiggle format
or low byte count format for wireless and phones.....
Frame is still available - I started in 87 or 88.

Wingz was a bout the same time - a very powerful spreadsheet that
was able to do simulations and modeling based on logic.

Martin

Tom Watson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:47:54 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

In article , Martin

Apple was still using Frame at least 2004 for documentation, but TIFF
was never a web graphic format, Martin.



http://1997.webhistory.org/www.lists...94q4/0797.html
Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Martin H. Eastburn wrote,on my timestamp of 15/11/2009 2:35 PM:

Wingz was a bout the same time - a very powerful spreadsheet that
was able to do simulations and modeling based on logic.

Yikes! That brings back a LOT of memories. I loaded WingZ first on the MacSE30
and was sold on it. Programmed most of the accounting for my company on it. And
a lot more for clients! Later on kept the OS2 Warp copy of it running until
well into the late 90s when I finally converted to NT and Excel. Still can't do
in Excel what I could in WingZ, vba is just not quite as good...

I can open .TIF in my browser. I am using Opera 9.64. But they are
stored on my HDD. And I can see them on www.heritagequest.com when I am
looking for census images.

Mike in Ohio

Dave Balderstone wrote:
snip

Please provide a URL that will display a TIFF graphic in a browser
window.

Buggerit, mate, haven't you heard of the SawStop down there? Or maybe
it doesn't work upside down?

It is good to see some old timers on here!

I did find your web site a few months back, and I have it bookmarked to keep
tabs on you.

My wife made me get a Sawstop in the spring, are they common down there?

David.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:11:53 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article ,
Martin H. Eastburn wrote:

This was an old version - long time ago.
And I use TIF/TIFF when I want full graphics.

Otherwise you get compressed junk that might look ok and might not.

My camera generates it and it is a high quality picture.

NASA posts TIF in the their very high res pictures.

It isn't new it is one of the older versions.

The newest is a short movie as a picture. Getting out of hand.
On internal nets - all sorts of formats are used. On external webs lots of
formats are used but mostly bmp and jpg.

Map formats are TIF or other professional formats.
Scientific drawings are in Tif - I have a DNA drawing in that format.
And naturally lots of personal pictures as well.

Ever write documents or draw in post script ? or .eps ? That is why
HP printers have post script options. People now days use pdf of something
else.

I have the programming manual.

Martin

You seem to be confused. The fact that TIFFs are posted and available
for download has no relationship to TIFF being a standard for web
graphics. TIFF is NOT a standard for web graphics.

Dave, Martin's key word is "was", and he was talking about the
Internet's Neanderthal Years, way back before Netscape reigned.
Just chill.

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:01:04 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article , Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:22:41 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article , Michael Kenefick
wrote:

www.heritagequest.com allows census images to be downloaded this way.
The other option is a PDF. 80% of the images I have are in .TIF.

Mike in Ohio

Downloaded.

Displayed in a web browser?

Only if you have either the Alternatiff or other free plugin.

http://www.uspto.gov/faq/plugins/tiff.jsp

I thought as much. TIFF has never been a standard web graphic format.

Martin said Mosaic could handle it. I have a book on Mosaic around
here somewhere, in my "300+ books to sell on eBay some day" stack, I
think. Wanna buy it? It's the pretty purple one. I think I have
another purple book on Ventura Publisher in that stack, too.

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

Holy Crap Jummy,

You are making me all teary eyed!

I am very happy for you that everything worked out.

I remember the crappy days way back when, when your world was falling apart.

Take care,

David.


"Jimmy Mac" wrote in message
...
On Nov 13, 6:46 am, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:04:50 -0800 (PST), the infamous Nahmie
scrawled the following:

On Nov 11, 7:02 am, phil wrote:
On Nov 11, 9:34 pm, Noons wrote:

SNIP
- Show quoted text -

My goodness, look at the gremlins pop out of the woodwork! Glad to
"see" you, Phully & Larry.

Hey, same here, Nahmie. I should say "Hi!" to Noons, too, since I
haven't talked to him since coming back.

I hear from Jummy once in a while. Guess he's still into the
construction, but also very active in a band

www.brazosriverband.com

Well, when he ain't hackin' away at pineywood, he's hackin' away at
C&W music, huh? Ain't that sweet? [Hey, Jums! Throw a nice, long,
sensual hug and a liplock on Amie for me, will ya? Yowza! Schweet!)
(Oops, hope she's not your woman.)] Hmm, there sure are a lot of good
looking women singing Country, aren't there? Jums looks to be doing
well.

Anyhoo, Hi to all. Legs/knees getting worse, so pretty much doing
sitdown ww'ing, but I'm trying to work up some turned Christmas
ornaments for presents @ our church Christmas party(chinese auction).

My wrists are starting to get to me, so I may not be doing the larger
handyman jobs in the future.

Have you lowered your shop to suit seated wooddorking yet, Nahmie? the
nice thing about benches and such is that you can hack 'em off at the
knees if you want, or drop 'em and open 'em up so you can roll into
them with an electric chair. Oops, I meant "electric wheelchair",
didn't I? I've been assembling and delivering Jazzy carts and chairs
to the locals for the last year, too, and installing those "Help! I've
fallen and can't get up!" Life Alert units, too.

With my shop so crowded with junk, I've done most of my wooddorking
outside, on horses and the grass. Not "fine" by any means, but it's
mostly construction work, so it's no biggie.

Take care!

--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine

Well Larry - the "Reader's Digest " version:

Got the divorce. Went half crazy now and then - sold all the sawdust
makers, quit my job and moved to Atlanta for
about 3 weeks. Visited with my son, looked for gainful employment,
and then Harvey (used to frequent the wreck) called
me and told me to head for Las Vegas (a place I never even wanted to
visit!) Stayed with him and his family for about 3
weeks, got my own place, working as a project manager for the largest
mechanical contractor in the city. Advanced to Senior
Quality Control Inspector making a great living. A lot has happened
to old Jums since the old days. I got married a year and a half
ago to a beautiful (and younger) woman who got me back into church.
I've got the band going full swing - we've performed at most
of the major casinos up and down the Strip, opened for a few of the
big names in country music (Reba, Big & Rich, Dwight Yoakum)
and having the time of our lives. I am truly blessed - something I
thought I would never be able to say. The other thing that keeps me
grounded and busy is that I also accepted the role of a lay minister
in our church. I preach at an assisted living center around the
corner from our church, and I also perform marriages and funerals.
Yup - old Minwax Mac has changed a lot! But for what is the
remainder of my life: I wouldn't change it for anything! I built all
my backyard furniture (redwood . . . no jummywood in the bunch!)
but it still won't hold up to the desert heat with 4% humidity! The
hottest it's been since I got here almost 8 years ago was 121°.
They say it's a dry heat and it's not as bad but believe me . . . my
oven is a dry heat and it cooks my food! LOL!

My best wishes and love goes out to each and every one of you. I
learned more about woodworking and life from you brothers
than I ever did from anyone else. We lost a wrecker a few months
back - Tom Rush in Sugar Land. Life is precious ~ it can
go in a heartbeat (or maybe just a 1/4 of a finger at a time) I heard
from a lot of you guys back when the divorce was severing
my life . . . If I ever failed to say it, thank you! Life is
good . . . but I'll still never build a spruce goose or talk with
anyone that
wants to! ROTFLMAO!

Jim McNamara
aka Jummy - Jums - Minwax Mac - Former user of Pineywood.

Nahmie can get you the story of the Pineywood that originated in
Aussie Land with Brother Phully. Still a fun read!
www.brazosriverband.com come see us in Vegas!

This was pre Netscape and pre the thoughts of IE.
Mosaic displayed it and we used it.
I've downloaded massive files from federal sites at their allowance.
Scanners continue to ask what format.
I have several programs on this computer that modify Tif and use them.

The key that you state is 'a standard' - The standards went towards
jpg compressed and move and jiggle jpgs - and naturally movies.

Tif is an old format and has gone through 6 or more versions of internal
information.

Retire this thread. I was there I did it. You were not and it doesn't matter.

Martin

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:22:41 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article , Michael Kenefick
wrote:

www.heritagequest.com allows census images to be downloaded this way.
The other option is a PDF. 80% of the images I have are in .TIF.

Mike in Ohio
Downloaded.

Displayed in a web browser?
Only if you have either the Alternatiff or other free plugin.

http://www.uspto.gov/faq/plugins/tiff.jsp

I thought as much. TIFF has never been a standard web graphic format.

The issue is your English style. I never stated it was a web standard.
You state that... Who cares - we used it.

The graphic browser - Mosaic displayed Tiff. (two f's for UNIX, one for MS).
So the browser knew of the TIFF standard and was able to display.

Martin

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article ,
Martin H. Eastburn wrote:

This was an old version - long time ago.
And I use TIF/TIFF when I want full graphics.

Otherwise you get compressed junk that might look ok and might not.

My camera generates it and it is a high quality picture.

NASA posts TIF in the their very high res pictures.

It isn't new it is one of the older versions.

The newest is a short movie as a picture. Getting out of hand.
On internal nets - all sorts of formats are used. On external webs lots of
formats are used but mostly bmp and jpg.

Map formats are TIF or other professional formats.
Scientific drawings are in Tif - I have a DNA drawing in that format.
And naturally lots of personal pictures as well.

Ever write documents or draw in post script ? or .eps ? That is why
HP printers have post script options. People now days use pdf of something
else.

I have the programming manual.

Martin

You seem to be confused. The fact that TIFFs are posted and available
for download has no relationship to TIFF being a standard for web
graphics. TIFF is NOT a standard for web graphics.

And yes, I have actually hand-coded PostScript and pushed it through
an interpreter that produced output on a laser printer. If my memory
serves, it would have been in about 1991 or 92 when I took a course in
Postscript coding at the University of British Columbia.

In fact, I've been working in the publishing industry for over 30 years
and remember the first PostScript capable printers. I used to service
them.

This programming manual you refer to... Do you mean the full set of the
Red Book, the Blue Book and the Green Book, as originally published by
Adobe? Or do you mean something else?

Because, if you are continuing to claim that TIFF was an early standard
for graphics on the World Wide Web (and BTW, I took our newspaper to
the web in August 1995, so I think I have some standing in this
conversation) then I am going to call Bull****.

TIFF was never and has never been a standard graphic format for display
in a web browser.