http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.


Gunner

"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please.
The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals.
They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state,
others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish,
coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and complete subservience to the government nanny state,
others want a culture that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political correctness.
I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:27:02 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


Did you read the description?

Chuckle

Chinglish at its finest

Gunner

"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please.
The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals.
They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state,
others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish,
coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and complete subservience to the government nanny state,
others want a culture that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political correctness.
I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Is write by non-USAtian, yes? I have one similar to that, and propane
is its diversified gas bottle.


Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Oh? This one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Svea-158-military-stove-NOS-from-1958-Brass-Tank-Sweden_W0QQitemZ120352646570QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120352646570&_trksid=p328 6.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1 |240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
http://tinyurl.com/74morc (One of these'll work)

Is your ebay crypt g***9 on the brass?

--
We should take care not to make the intellect our god;
it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
-- Albert Einstein

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:27:02 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:


On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.


Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada



Did you read the description?

Chuckle

Chinglish at its finest

Gunner


I liked the bit on 3500 watts best. :-)
Some of it I still could not figure out.
...lew...

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:15:51 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Is write by non-USAtian, yes? I have one similar to that, and propane
is its diversified gas bottle.


Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Oh? This one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Svea-158-military-stove-NOS-from-1958-Brass-Tank-Sweden_W0QQitemZ120352646570QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120352646570&_trksid=p328 6.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1 |240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
http://tinyurl.com/74morc (One of these'll work)

Is your ebay crypt g***9 on the brass?


Nope...I just checked and Ebay didnt record my bid. Ill try again in a
bit...dialup is SLOOW today.
Gunner

"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:22:31 -0700, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:27:02 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:


On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.


Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada



Did you read the description?

Chuckle

Chinglish at its finest

Gunner


I liked the bit on 3500 watts best. :-)
Some of it I still could not figure out.
...lew...


For those that didnt check the auction link.....evidently a
propane/butane backpacking stove. Looks quite well designed....

Description:

producing area?Made in China

material?stainless steel metal crust w fuel in it.Especial metal
matchstick rub the metal strip of the crust to burning.

dimension: Open high 9.2cm X width 10.7cm

Closed High 10.1cm X width 5.5cm

Rated Power:3500W

Weight:122G
# It's made of copper metal and stainless steel,could pucker steel wire
underprop?resist high temperature.high-octane chinaware piezoelectricity
strike fire system?insure ignition once is OK.gyral blaze,thermal
efficiency is very high.currency capability is very good.Fit diversified
pot gas.It was packed by hop-pocket,very convenient.




"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""

Gunner Asch wrote:

For those that didnt check the auction link.....evidently a
propane/butane backpacking stove. Looks quite well designed....

It looked interesting but iirc, it was selling in AU.

The '58 stove was an eye popper. My MSR Whisperlite will have to keep me in hot food. I
pack a Trangia as a second burner some times.

The Whisperlite is not a bad stove once you read the instructions. Almost burned down the
house trying it out the first time. Have a fire extinquisher in your home, car and
garage. Sooner or later you will need it. DAMHIKT.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Dec 29, 5:15*pm, Wes wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
For those that didnt check the auction link.....evidently a
propane/butane backpacking stove. Looks quite well designed....

It looked interesting but iirc, it was selling in AU.

The '58 stove was an eye popper. *My MSR Whisperlite will have to keep me in hot food. *I
pack a Trangia as a second burner some times.

The Whisperlite is not a bad stove once you read the instructions. *Almost burned down the
house trying it out the first time. *Have a fire extinquisher in your home, car and
garage. *Sooner or later you will need it. *DAMHIKT.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." *Dick Anthony Heller

Sounds like the one that burned the hole in my brothers tent. He said
he used all those words my father learned in the Navy and made up some
new ones.
Karl

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:06:06 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:27:02 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


Did you read the description?

Chuckle

Chinglish at its finest

Gunner

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:06:06 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:27:02 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


Did you read the description?

Chuckle

Chinglish at its finest

Gunner

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

More of that Polish junk, eh?

We once had a drawing of a Japanese machine at _American Machinist_ with a
feature that no one could figure out -- labeled Water Goat. It took about a
week, until Bob Hatschek, I think, realized that the Water Goat was a
hydraulic ram. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:47:53 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:06:06 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:27:02 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


Did you read the description?

Chuckle

Chinglish at its finest

Gunner

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

More of that Polish junk, eh?

We once had a drawing of a Japanese machine at _American Machinist_ with a
feature that no one could figure out -- labeled Water Goat. It took about a
week, until Bob Hatschek, I think, realized that the Water Goat was a
hydraulic ram. d8-)
It also features a "stereo earphone faucet"
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:47:53 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:06:06 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:27:02 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


Did you read the description?

Chuckle

Chinglish at its finest

Gunner

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

More of that Polish junk, eh?

We once had a drawing of a Japanese machine at _American Machinist_ with a
feature that no one could figure out -- labeled Water Goat. It took about
a
week, until Bob Hatschek, I think, realized that the Water Goat was a
hydraulic ram. d8-)
It also features a "stereo earphone faucet"
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Those people need an editor. g

--
Editor Huntress

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:34:14 -0500, the infamous Gerald Miller
scrawled the following:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:06:06 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:27:02 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-Brand-New-Stove-Fire-Shelves-Camping-Tool-Sport_W0QQitemZ310111519909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_S port_Camping_Hiking_Cooking?hash=item310111519909& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1 %7C294%3A50

Fascinating description of a stove.
I think its a stove......chortle.....

Oh.,.there are some Sveas for sale as well.

Im bidding on another.

Looks a lot like the one I have, only mine has four wire shapes to
form the cooking surface. I'm not certain of the brand and it's out in
the storage shed. IIRC I paid $0.25 for it.

Braggart. Pfffffft!


Did you read the description?

Chuckle

Chinglish at its finest

Gunner

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Obviously, that one can't be sold in California. You're lucky you
live in the _other_ CA.


Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.

Dat's Chinglish at its finest, too, Gerry.


--
We should take care not to make the intellect our god;
it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
-- Albert Einstein

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:08:21 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
.. .

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

More of that Polish junk, eh?

We once had a drawing of a Japanese machine at _American Machinist_ with a
feature that no one could figure out -- labeled Water Goat. It took about
a
week, until Bob Hatschek, I think, realized that the Water Goat was a
hydraulic ram. d8-)

Bwahahahaha!


It also features a "stereo earphone faucet"

Good 'un!


Those people need an editor. g

They have one. Surely a lot of these came from their turning to the
fabulous, online marvel known as Babelfish, eh? Oh, you meant a
_real_ editor, didn't you?

All this reminds me of the Viet gal with whom I used to work. She
occasionally puffed out her chest and boasted "I speak very English!"
after we'd giggled at some phrase she'd misspoken. She was fun.

--
We should take care not to make the intellect our god;
it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
-- Albert Einstein

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:08:21 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
. ..

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

More of that Polish junk, eh?

We once had a drawing of a Japanese machine at _American Machinist_ with
a
feature that no one could figure out -- labeled Water Goat. It took
about
a
week, until Bob Hatschek, I think, realized that the Water Goat was a
hydraulic ram. d8-)

Bwahahahaha!


It also features a "stereo earphone faucet"

Good 'un!


Those people need an editor. g

They have one. Surely a lot of these came from their turning to the
fabulous, online marvel known as Babelfish, eh? Oh, you meant a
_real_ editor, didn't you?

All this reminds me of the Viet gal with whom I used to work. She
occasionally puffed out her chest and boasted "I speak very English!"
after we'd giggled at some phrase she'd misspoken. She was fun.

The Australian and British marketing managers for Sodick and I (I was US
sales and marketing manager at the time) got together and asked Japan to let
us edit their brochures before they were printed. We said we'd do it for
free. They wouldn't let us. Finally I found out it was a cultural thing; it
would be an insult to the agencies they'd hired to do this in Japan.

Unfortunately, they did their writing with a Japanese-English dictionary in
one hand (thus, things like "water goat") and no spell-checker. Nor did they
have anyone who knew how to spell English. It produced some horribly
embarrassing brochures.

Our solution was to throw theirs out and to produce our own.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:44:59 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:08:21 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

More of that Polish junk, eh?

We once had a drawing of a Japanese machine at _American Machinist_ with
a
feature that no one could figure out -- labeled Water Goat. It took
about
a
week, until Bob Hatschek, I think, realized that the Water Goat was a
hydraulic ram. d8-)

Bwahahahaha!


It also features a "stereo earphone faucet"

Good 'un!


Those people need an editor. g

They have one. Surely a lot of these came from their turning to the
fabulous, online marvel known as Babelfish, eh? Oh, you meant a
_real_ editor, didn't you?

All this reminds me of the Viet gal with whom I used to work. She
occasionally puffed out her chest and boasted "I speak very English!"
after we'd giggled at some phrase she'd misspoken. She was fun.

The Australian and British marketing managers for Sodick and I (I was US
sales and marketing manager at the time) got together and asked Japan to let
us edit their brochures before they were printed. We said we'd do it for
free. They wouldn't let us. Finally I found out it was a cultural thing; it
would be an insult to the agencies they'd hired to do this in Japan.

I'd have thought that _proper_ translations would have been the "saved
face" they sought. Go figure.


Unfortunately, they did their writing with a Japanese-English dictionary in
one hand (thus, things like "water goat") and no spell-checker. Nor did they
have anyone who knew how to spell English. It produced some horribly
embarrassing brochures.

Our solution was to throw theirs out and to produce our own.

That was a good idea.

--
We should take care not to make the intellect our god;
it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
-- Albert Einstein

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:44:59 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:08:21 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
m...

I got SWMBO an electronic, piano type keyboard to play with. One
item
on the Safety Precautions page reads:

QUAKEPROOF
The electronic keyboard shall be handled with care when moving,
Violent quake and collision are forbidden so as not to damage the
crust or inner electronic components.

Another:

ANTI-CORROSION

The electronic keyboard shall not get to acid or alkaline matter and
shall not work where contains heavy caustic gas in order to prevent
bad contact resulting from oxidation of line.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

More of that Polish junk, eh?

We once had a drawing of a Japanese machine at _American Machinist_
with
a
feature that no one could figure out -- labeled Water Goat. It took
about
a
week, until Bob Hatschek, I think, realized that the Water Goat was a
hydraulic ram. d8-)

Bwahahahaha!


It also features a "stereo earphone faucet"

Good 'un!


Those people need an editor. g

They have one. Surely a lot of these came from their turning to the
fabulous, online marvel known as Babelfish, eh? Oh, you meant a
_real_ editor, didn't you?

All this reminds me of the Viet gal with whom I used to work. She
occasionally puffed out her chest and boasted "I speak very English!"
after we'd giggled at some phrase she'd misspoken. She was fun.

The Australian and British marketing managers for Sodick and I (I was US
sales and marketing manager at the time) got together and asked Japan to
let
us edit their brochures before they were printed. We said we'd do it for
free. They wouldn't let us. Finally I found out it was a cultural thing;
it
would be an insult to the agencies they'd hired to do this in Japan.

I'd have thought that _proper_ translations would have been the "saved
face" they sought. Go figure.


Unfortunately, they did their writing with a Japanese-English dictionary
in
one hand (thus, things like "water goat") and no spell-checker. Nor did
they
have anyone who knew how to spell English. It produced some horribly
embarrassing brochures.

Our solution was to throw theirs out and to produce our own.

That was a good idea.

Yeah, but the big one I wrote for them was 24 pages, and cost roughly
$1,000/page after printing. And that was 26 years ago.

Color separations used to cost $750/page -- that's what it cost us for seps
at _American Machinist_, back in the mid-'70s. Today, they're around $25
plus proofs.

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:37:54 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:44:59 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:

Our solution was to throw theirs out and to produce our own.

That was a good idea.

Yeah, but the big one I wrote for them was 24 pages, and cost roughly
$1,000/page after printing. And that was 26 years ago.

Yeah, it used to be a real expensive task.


Color separations used to cost $750/page -- that's what it cost us for seps
at _American Machinist_, back in the mid-'70s. Today, they're around $25
plus proofs.

When I was in the heyday of my typesetting career (15-20 years ago) I
was printing polyester plates for separations on my HP5P laser
printer. They were good for about 5k copies each on my buddy's old
single-head Multilith 1250 press. They cost us $3 apiece in 12x21"
size. Today, the fantastic electronic-headed presses print and install
their own plates from used pixels. Wunnerful! I miss going to the
Heidelberg conventions in HelL.A. every year. (Ditto the WesTec
conventions. WestPack had its moments, too.)

--
We should take care not to make the intellect our god;
it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
-- Albert Einstein

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:12:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:37:54 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:



Color separations used to cost $750/page -- that's what it cost us for seps
at _American Machinist_, back in the mid-'70s. Today, they're around $25
plus proofs.

When I was in the heyday of my typesetting career (15-20 years ago) I
was printing polyester plates for separations on my HP5P laser
printer. They were good for about 5k copies each on my buddy's old
single-head Multilith 1250 press. They cost us $3 apiece in 12x21"
size. Today, the fantastic electronic-headed presses print and install
their own plates from used pixels. Wunnerful! I miss going to the
Heidelberg conventions in HelL.A. every year. (Ditto the WesTec
conventions. WestPack had its moments, too.)

My father was a "dot etcher," the guy who tweaked the colors by
adjusting the size of the dots in color separations. At about the same
time he was retiring, I was designing a couple machines for producing
consumable electrical discharge heads that burned an image into
printing plates directly on an offset press. The company I was doing
the work for, Presstek, had a partnership with Heidelberg, who called
the process something like GTODI.

This is a description of the image heads.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=LTA...J&dq=5,174,205

From searching for that patent, it looks like things went poorly
between Presstek and Heidelberg at some point.

--
Ned Simmons

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:37:54 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:44:59 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:

Our solution was to throw theirs out and to produce our own.

That was a good idea.

Yeah, but the big one I wrote for them was 24 pages, and cost roughly
$1,000/page after printing. And that was 26 years ago.

Yeah, it used to be a real expensive task.


Color separations used to cost $750/page -- that's what it cost us for
seps
at _American Machinist_, back in the mid-'70s. Today, they're around $25
plus proofs.

When I was in the heyday of my typesetting career (15-20 years ago) I
was printing polyester plates for separations on my HP5P laser
printer. They were good for about 5k copies each on my buddy's old
single-head Multilith 1250 press. They cost us $3 apiece in 12x21"
size.

Uh, OK. There are separations and there are separations. I made a lot of
them for a local newspaper back in the early '70s, using my 4x5 view camera
and Kodak Tri-Pak separation film. They were worth what I charged --
$10/each. g

At the other end, we had a client for whom we produced coffee-table-quality
fashion work, and I had dye-transfer prints made for each separation. They
cost us close to $1,500/page by the time they were done, even when we ganged
the photos for the dye prints. That was before we had press proofs made,
and, of course, without the printing cost. Sheesh.

Since you have done some process work you'll appreciate the two technical
jobs I used to do before I started freelancing photography for McGraw-Hill
(before they hired me as a writer -- there's a logical leap, eh?). I was
making B&W dye transfers, and silver-masked Kodachromes. The latter was the
pre-digital equivalent of Photoshop's "unsharp masking," done with film.
Both are very specialized jobs that went only to the highest-quality fashion
and food agencies. Hmmm....I think we discussed this once before, eh?

--
Ed Huntress

"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:12:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:37:54 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:



Color separations used to cost $750/page -- that's what it cost us for
seps
at _American Machinist_, back in the mid-'70s. Today, they're around $25
plus proofs.

When I was in the heyday of my typesetting career (15-20 years ago) I
was printing polyester plates for separations on my HP5P laser
printer. They were good for about 5k copies each on my buddy's old
single-head Multilith 1250 press. They cost us $3 apiece in 12x21"
size. Today, the fantastic electronic-headed presses print and install
their own plates from used pixels. Wunnerful! I miss going to the
Heidelberg conventions in HelL.A. every year. (Ditto the WesTec
conventions. WestPack had its moments, too.)

My father was a "dot etcher," the guy who tweaked the colors by
adjusting the size of the dots in color separations.

Now there's a lost art. A lot of the technical work I was doing in B&W was
an effort to avoid dot etching. I was working from negatives, and producing
B&W dye-transfer prints from them. Few people have ever heard of B&W dye
transfers -- it was a color process. But by controlled development of the
copy film and matrix, I could control density like Ansel Adams. g

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:27:30 -0500, the infamous Ned Simmons
scrawled the following:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:12:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:37:54 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:



Color separations used to cost $750/page -- that's what it cost us for seps
at _American Machinist_, back in the mid-'70s. Today, they're around $25
plus proofs.

When I was in the heyday of my typesetting career (15-20 years ago) I
was printing polyester plates for separations on my HP5P laser
printer. They were good for about 5k copies each on my buddy's old
single-head Multilith 1250 press. They cost us $3 apiece in 12x21"
size. Today, the fantastic electronic-headed presses print and install
their own plates from used pixels. Wunnerful! I miss going to the
Heidelberg conventions in HelL.A. every year. (Ditto the WesTec
conventions. WestPack had its moments, too.)

Oops, rereading that, I should have said Gutenberg Convention. blush


My father was a "dot etcher," the guy who tweaked the colors by
adjusting the size of the dots in color separations. At about the same
time he was retiring, I was designing a couple machines for producing
consumable electrical discharge heads that burned an image into

"Printing by EDM". Cool.


printing plates directly on an offset press. The company I was doing
the work for, Presstek, had a partnership with Heidelberg, who called
the process something like GTODI.

This is a description of the image heads.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=LTA...J&dq=5,174,205

From searching for that patent, it looks like things went poorly
between Presstek and Heidelberg at some point.

I guess so. Neat idea, though. Perhaps the reality was less
efficient than the theory.

------
We're born hungry, wet, 'n naked, and it gets worse from there.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:53:45 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:37:54 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:44:59 -0500, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following:

Our solution was to throw theirs out and to produce our own.

That was a good idea.

Yeah, but the big one I wrote for them was 24 pages, and cost roughly
$1,000/page after printing. And that was 26 years ago.

Yeah, it used to be a real expensive task.


Color separations used to cost $750/page -- that's what it cost us for
seps
at _American Machinist_, back in the mid-'70s. Today, they're around $25
plus proofs.

When I was in the heyday of my typesetting career (15-20 years ago) I
was printing polyester plates for separations on my HP5P laser
printer. They were good for about 5k copies each on my buddy's old
single-head Multilith 1250 press. They cost us $3 apiece in 12x21"
size.

Uh, OK. There are separations and there are separations. I made a lot of
them for a local newspaper back in the early '70s, using my 4x5 view camera
and Kodak Tri-Pak separation film. They were worth what I charged --
$10/each. g

True, we were _not_ making 300 line seps on a 600dpi printer, but the
technology was fine for inexpensive biz cards, brochures, hang tags,
postcards, etc.


At the other end, we had a client for whom we produced coffee-table-quality
fashion work, and I had dye-transfer prints made for each separation. They
cost us close to $1,500/page by the time they were done, even when we ganged
the photos for the dye prints. That was before we had press proofs made,
and, of course, without the printing cost. Sheesh.

Triple ouch!


Since you have done some process work you'll appreciate the two technical
jobs I used to do before I started freelancing photography for McGraw-Hill
(before they hired me as a writer -- there's a logical leap, eh?). I was
making B&W dye transfers, and silver-masked Kodachromes. The latter was the
pre-digital equivalent of Photoshop's "unsharp masking," done with film.
Both are very specialized jobs that went only to the highest-quality fashion
and food agencies. Hmmm....I think we discussed this once before, eh?

------
We're born hungry, wet, 'n naked, and it gets worse from there.