Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew



As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag
($1200) turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.

On Oct 26, 7:41*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew

Brilliant!!

Expensive!!!!

Robatoy writes:
On Oct 26, 7:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew

Brilliant!!

Expensive!!!!

And out of stock.

Bridge City has never been known for affordability.

scott

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Bridge City Tool Works has always sold high end, expensive tools. This thing
has to be the most expensive hand saw I have ever seen. Or is it a manual
table saw? Whatever it is, it is wonderful. I am drooling here. And
apparently so many people liked it that they have run out of their first
production run. If you want one, you have to get on a list.

But it looks like just the ticket for small, precise parts. Model makers,
wood turners, doll house makers, mineratures, etc. I bet it is a big hit
for anybody who needs those small, precise parts.

I don't do anything like that and I still want one.

experiencing tool lust here

jo4hn wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew



As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag
($1200) turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.

Clever idea but seems expensive for what it is.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Bridge City Tool Works has always sold high end, expensive tools. This
thing has to be the most expensive hand saw I have ever seen. Or is it a
manual table saw? Whatever it is, it is wonderful. I am drooling here. And
apparently so many people liked it that they have run out of their first
production run. If you want one, you have to get on a list.

But it looks like just the ticket for small, precise parts. Model makers,
wood turners, doll house makers, mineratures, etc. I bet it is a big hit
for anybody who needs those small, precise parts.

I don't do anything like that and I still want one.

experiencing tool lust here


I'm happy there's a video... it is worth seeing. I fail to see the
utility, at any price, though.

Ed

On Oct 26, 8:30*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message

... Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Bridge City Tool Works has always sold high end, expensive tools. This thing
has to be the most expensive hand saw I have ever seen. Or is it a manual
table saw? Whatever it is, it is wonderful. I am drooling here. And
apparently so many people liked it that they have run out of their first
production run. If you want one, you have to get on a list.

But it looks like just the ticket for small, precise parts. Model makers,
wood turners, doll house makers, mineratures, etc. *I bet it is a big hit
for anybody who needs those small, precise parts.

I don't do anything like that and I still want one.

experiencing tool lust here

I had not looked into BCT before, but then again I haven't dragged my
knuckles on the ground for quite a long time *S*. I do see the appeal
though. I'll just stick with the plug-ins for the time being.

On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Couple-three things:

$1300? **** no.

Per several comments on the /Make/ page, the plastic bevel gears and
aluminum parts look cheesy.

There's a real ergonomic problem he unless you have a helper, you
need one hand to crank the saw, leaving only one other hand to guide the
work.

A better arrangement might be to use a foot treadle. Before the advent
of power tools, there were lots and lots of treadle-powered tools, from
drill presses to jigsaws.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

Ed Edelenbos wrote:

I'm happy there's a video... it is worth seeing. I fail to see the
utility, at any price, though.

I had the same thought until I remembered that there are a /lot/ of
apartment-dwellers who don't have shop space available.

Quiet operaion and ease of dust control might be attractive to them, and
I suspect other designs will appear to solve the price problem.

I was just thinking that it should be possible to build a CNC version
for considerably less money than Bridge City's manual version - and that
the CNC version needn't be significantly noisier...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

David Nebenzahl wrote:
There's a real ergonomic problem he unless you have a helper, you
need one hand to crank the saw, leaving only one other hand to guide the
work.


The hand crank is only for adjusting blade height.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...

There's a real ergonomic problem he unless you have a helper, you need
one hand to crank the saw, leaving only one other hand to guide the work.

A better arrangement might be to use a foot treadle. Before the advent of
power tools, there were lots and lots of treadle-powered tools, from drill
presses to jigsaws.

Unless I was watching something completely different where/why do you need
to crank the saw?

Doug Brown wrote:
"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...

There's a real ergonomic problem he unless you have a helper, you need
one hand to crank the saw, leaving only one other hand to guide the work.

A better arrangement might be to use a foot treadle. Before the advent of
power tools, there were lots and lots of treadle-powered tools, from drill
presses to jigsaws.

Unless I was watching something completely different where/why do you need
to crank the saw?


You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.

In any case, it seems to be designed with hold down clamps so it can be
guided singled-handedly.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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http://mikedrums.com

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"jo4hn" wrote in message
m...
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew



As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag ($1200)
turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.

$1300.00

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
.. .
Robatoy writes:
On Oct 26, 7:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew

Brilliant!!

Expensive!!!!

And out of stock.

Bridge City has never been known for affordability.


That may be a matter openion. Way way back when I used to buy their
products. I have some of their rules, an angle gauge and a Squivel with a
penny in it. Not long after their road to recovery their prices got out of
hand.

Artemus wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote
You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.


For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
Art


Great idea, and you're right.
It would be a pretty easy thing, mechanically.
I've seen it on 18-19th century machines.


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"Leon" wrote in message
news

"jo4hn" wrote in message
m...
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew



As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag
($1200) turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.

$1300.00


Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks like they
could sell it for
a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they save than
what they
pay anyway. Marketing ploy?

"Artemus" wrote in message
...

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.


For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
Art


For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.


For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
Art

"Bill" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote in message
news

"jo4hn" wrote in message
m...
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.



Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks like they
could sell it for
a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they save than
what they
pay anyway. Marketing ploy?


They could sell it for less but you have to join their founders club at $45
per year for the privlidge of paying less. Hummm.

"Bill" wrote

Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks like they
could sell it for
a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they save than
what they
pay anyway. Marketing ploy?

If so, it seems that if it works as well as it seems, somebody will knock it
off and sell it for less. I don't know how much less though. I don't see
this as a high production tool or anything. Maybe three different models
depending on precision and ruggedness may be in order.

Are you reading this Rob Lee? You think that Veritas may be interested in
producing a similar tool to this?? Hint, hint.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Artemus" wrote in message
...

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.


For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
Art


For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)

Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small precise work.
Table saws in general do a bit of everything. And when you start to do small
stuff on the table saw, the danger element goes up. Soooo......, something
that reduces the risk and makes small parts may be a niche product. But for
someone who could use it, it is probably really worth the money.

On Oct 27, 12:52*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 10/26/2009 7:40 PM Artemus spake thus:

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. * It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.

For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.

Exactly what I was thinking: there should be a ratcheting jack that
raises the blade on the backstroke, adjustable, and able to be defeated
for repeat cuts with the blade at the same height.

Hell, for $1300, why not?

Maybe a three-stop turret like on a router?

R

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew

Hey, where's the friggin' blade guard? I hear the dentist-drill sound
that thing makes, then I imagine sticking my finger in the wrong place
right when I'm making an exuberant swipe, and... shudder

--
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To reply, eat the taco.
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On 10/26/2009 7:40 PM Artemus spake thus:

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.

For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.

Exactly what I was thinking: there should be a ratcheting jack that
raises the blade on the backstroke, adjustable, and able to be defeated
for repeat cuts with the blade at the same height.

Hell, for $1300, why not?


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

I think I'll wait until Harbor Freight makes a clone of it and sells it
cheap.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

Lee Michaels wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Artemus" wrote in message
...

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It
adjusts the height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you
need to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some
practice.


For the money they want it should have a mechanism which
automatically raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount
with each pass. Art


For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)

Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small
precise work. Table saws in general do a bit of everything. And when
you start to do small stuff on the table saw, the danger element goes
up. Soooo......, something that reduces the risk and makes small
parts may be a niche product. But for someone who could use it, it
is probably really worth the money.

FWIW, for small stuff consider an RAS--cutting those tiny little bits at the
end of his video is easy on one. Remember that an RAS will rip fine with
the blade in the crosscut position as long as the length of the stock is
less than the blade travel. The danger is much less because you have many
options for securing the stock, which doesn't have to move during the cut,
and with a fresh fence you automatically have zero clearance.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Artemus" wrote in message
...

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.


For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
Art


For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)



......Or less even. I just bought a new 12" TS, L.H tilt, with sliding
table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style fence for less
than AUD$700

diggerop

diggerop wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Artemus" wrote in message
...

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It
adjusts the height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you
need to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some
practice.


For the money they want it should have a mechanism which
automatically raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount
with each pass. Art


For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)



.....Or less even. I just bought a new 12" TS, L.H tilt, with
sliding table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style
fence for less than AUD$700

Just remember that to get a flat bottomed dovetail with a table saw you need
a special grind on the blade--but Forrest will sell you one of those for
about 1/10 what the device under discussion costs.


diggerop

Lee Michaels wrote:
"Bill" wrote

Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks
like they could sell it for
a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they
save than what they
pay anyway. Marketing ploy?

If so, it seems that if it works as well as it seems, somebody will
knock it off and sell it for less. I don't know how much less
though. I don't see this as a high production tool or anything. Maybe
three different models depending on precision and ruggedness
may be in order.

That's what people thought for 17 years regarding the Fein Multimaster.
Didn't happen.

Then, last November, the patent expired....

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

I think I'll wait until Harbor Freight makes a clone of it and sells
it cheap.

Hmm. Make your own?

What you need is a device with a table that adjusts instead of the blade
(think Shopsmith) and a fixed, thin-bladed, cross-cut saw.

HeyBub wrote:
Lee Michaels wrote:
"Bill" wrote

Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks
like they could sell it for
a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they
save than what they
pay anyway. Marketing ploy?

If so, it seems that if it works as well as it seems, somebody will
knock it off and sell it for less. I don't know how much less
though. I don't see this as a high production tool or anything. Maybe
three different models depending on precision and ruggedness
may be in order.

That's what people thought for 17 years regarding the Fein
Multimaster. Didn't happen.

Then, last November, the patent expired....

Speaking of which, I'm thinking now that a nice little table that holds a
Multimaster could be a handy thing. Not what you'd use for ripping 8/4
lumber but for dovetails and the like the thin blades could be handy. OTOH
might work as well hand-held. Never though of trying that before.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

I think I'll wait until Harbor Freight makes a clone of it and sells
it cheap.

Hmm. Make your own?

What you need is a device with a table that adjusts instead of the blade
(think Shopsmith) and a fixed, thin-bladed, cross-cut saw.

Just a thoughtHow about a 300 pound fly wheel you hand crank up to
speed to drive your table saw. No electric power needed. WW

WW wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html
I think I'll wait until Harbor Freight makes a clone of it and sells
it cheap.
Hmm. Make your own?

What you need is a device with a table that adjusts instead of the blade
(think Shopsmith) and a fixed, thin-bladed, cross-cut saw.

Just a thoughtHow about a 300 pound fly wheel you hand crank up to
speed to drive your table saw. No electric power needed. WW



I saw one at the Indiana State Fair (pioneer tools)--leg operated, of
course. Actually more of a sabre-saw.

jo4hn wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Maybe some Festool competition.

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...tables_aw.html

Lew



As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag
($1200) turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.

Wait a few years and Harbor Freight will have a copy at $39.95.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

On Oct 27, 10:41*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:

Speaking of which, I'm thinking now that a nice little table that holds a
Multimaster could be a handy thing. *Not what you'd use for ripping 8/4
lumber but for dovetails and the like the thin blades could be handy. *OTOH
might work as well hand-held. *Never though of trying that before.

Hmmm, that's not a bad idea at all. Easy enough to rig up, and having
the ability to have a preset angle is perfect for dovetails or tenon
shoulder cuts.

R

On Oct 27, 11:40*am, "WW" wrote:

Just a thoughtHow about a 300 pound fly wheel you hand crank up to
speed to drive your table saw. No electric power needed. WW

Or you could just have the 300 pound wife crank it.

R

On Oct 27, 6:08*am, "diggerop" toobusy@themoment wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message

...





"Artemus" wrote in message
...

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. * It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.

For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
Art

For the money you can get an electric TS. *;~)

.....Or less even. *I just bought a new 12" TS, *L.H tilt, with sliding
table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style fence for less
than *AUD$700

How is that comparable? Other than the fact that they both cut wood,
they are barely related in market(ing).

I think a large number of people would be interested just because it's
small and quiet. Not too many people have wives that wouldn't object
to firing up the table saw in the basement at two in the morning. I'm
finding machine noise more objectionable as I age. I use earplugs,
but I don't like the noise, period. You can also stick it up on a
shelf when it's not in use.

R

On Oct 27, 2:45*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 10/27/2009 9:27 AM RicodJour spake thus:

I think a large number of people would be interested just because it's
small and quiet. *Not too many people have wives that wouldn't object
to firing up the table saw in the basement at two in the morning. *I'm
finding machine noise more objectionable as I age. *I use earplugs,
but I don't like the noise, period. *You can also stick it up on a
shelf when it's not in use.

Yep, agreed. After my initial misgivings, I realized that this is a
pretty original tool worthy of consideration. I would expect to see more
tools like it, and more variations in the next few years. And it
certainly wouldn't be beyond a dedicated DIYer to come up with a doable
design.

Agreed. It's not clear that having the workpiece move is the best way
and it is certainly not as safe as having the saw blade mounted on a
sliding track and moving it through the clamped workpiece. It would
be slower, though.

R

"Lee Michaels" wrote in
message ...

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Artemus" wrote in message
...

"-MIKE-" wrote

You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It
adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep,"
so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.

The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting
blade height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some
practice.


For the money they want it should have a mechanism which
automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each
pass.
Art


For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)

Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small
precise work. Table saws in general do a bit of everything. And
when you start to do small stuff on the table saw, the danger
element goes up. Soooo......, something that reduces the risk
and makes small parts may be a niche product. But for someone
who could use it, it is probably really worth the money.




What's involved in sharpening or replacing the blade?

--
Nonny

Don't argue with an idiot;
people around you may not be
able to tell the difference.