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I have been stetting up my new shop over the past few months and have
researched dust collection on the net and by reading a few books on the subject. This morning I found this article on the Wood Whisperer site. http://home.comcast.net/~rodec/woodw...s.html#who#who It basically states that there is almost no chance of a fire/explosion from using ungrounded PVC ducts with your dust collector. cm |
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"cm" wrote in message ... I have been stetting up my new shop over the past few months and have researched dust collection on the net and by reading a few books on the subject. This morning I found this article on the Wood Whisperer site. http://home.comcast.net/~rodec/woodw...s.html#who#who It basically states that there is almost no chance of a fire/explosion from using ungrounded PVC ducts with your dust collector. cm Because the hose and or PVC pipe will discharge static electricity, I have been zapped on numerous occasions, I suggest you not have open flammables close to a possible static electricity discharge location. Additionally, almost no chance does not exclusively mean no chance. Almost any home or shop has no chance of a fire or explosion whether it has a dust collector or not. Common sense precautions should always be observed. |
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Leon,
I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. cm "Leon" wrote in message ... "cm" wrote in message ... I have been stetting up my new shop over the past few months and have researched dust collection on the net and by reading a few books on the subject. This morning I found this article on the Wood Whisperer site. http://home.comcast.net/~rodec/woodw...s.html#who#who It basically states that there is almost no chance of a fire/explosion from using ungrounded PVC ducts with your dust collector. cm Because the hose and or PVC pipe will discharge static electricity, I have been zapped on numerous occasions, I suggest you not have open flammables close to a possible static electricity discharge location. Additionally, almost no chance does not exclusively mean no chance. Almost any home or shop has no chance of a fire or explosion whether it has a dust collector or not. Common sense precautions should always be observed. |
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On Jan 15, 10:07*am, "cm" wrote:
Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. Oh no! not the PVC grounding thread again... Wrecker A: It is safe if you ground it. Wrecker B: You can't ground PVC, it is an insulator. Wrecker C: Don't listen to B, mine is grounded and I've never been shocked. Wrecker B: C has been very lucky. Wrecker D: I worked for Norad after I graduated from MIT and we were not allowed to use PVC because of the explosion hazards. Wrecker E: B & D are overstating the risk, in the past 200 years Lloyds has never paid an explosion claim for a home workshop using PVC dust collection. Wrecker F: What is ABPW? and why can't I get to it. There, that should about cover it. |
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Limp Arbor wrote:
On Jan 15, 10:07Â*am, "cm" wrote: Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. Oh no! not the PVC grounding thread again... Wrecker A: It is safe if you ground it. Wrecker B: You can't ground PVC, it is an insulator. Wrecker C: Don't listen to B, mine is grounded and I've never been shocked. Wrecker B: C has been very lucky. Wrecker D: I worked for Norad after I graduated from MIT and we were not allowed to use PVC because of the explosion hazards. Wrecker E: B & D are overstating the risk, in the past 200 years Lloyds has never paid an explosion claim for a home workshop using PVC dust collection. Wrecker F: What is ABPW? and why can't I get to it. Wrecker Rob: I was dreaming about Swedish girls, and then thoughts about ungrounded PVC destroyed it all, in one loud boom. There, that should about cover it. Fixed you post. ;-) -- Froz... |
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You did forget to mention that the original
poster was probably a "pinko,communist,gay basher, IRA member,child molester, non-woodworker, who didn't know his ass from his elbow and should be in hell for even suggesting something that dangerous. Limp Arbor wrote: Oh no! not the PVC grounding thread again... Wrecker A: It is safe if you ground it. |
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Pat Barber wrote:
You did forget to mention that the original poster was probably a "pinko,communist, Doesn't "fag" usually come here in that litany? gay basher, IRA member,child molester, non-woodworker, who didn't know his ass from his elbow and should be in hell for even suggesting something that dangerous. Limp Arbor wrote: Oh no! not the PVC grounding thread again... Wrecker A: It is safe if you ground it. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"cm" wrote in message ... Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. cm I think the chances are slim but possible depending on the circumstances. Half of my 20 flexible hose is grounded and I get zapped on occasion. For that matter I get zapped every time I get out of my truck during the winter months. |
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Leon wrote:
"cm" wrote in message ... Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. cm I think the chances are slim but possible depending on the circumstances. Half of my 20 flexible hose is grounded and I get zapped on occasion. For that matter I get zapped every time I get out of my truck during the winter months. Even at the gas station while other people are pumping gas? And you haven't spontaneously combusted?! -- Free bad advice available here. To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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I don't recall anything that caused a
bigger name calling contest than the several infamous PVC dust collection safety issues. People have in the past resorted to some real name calling all in the name of safety. My personal favorite was about the "many" explosions caused by using PVC for dust collection. It seemed that you can stand outside your shop and actually hear the shops blowing up all around you. J. Clarke wrote: Clipped all the nasty names... |
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"Steve Turner" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: "cm" wrote in message ... Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. cm I think the chances are slim but possible depending on the circumstances. Half of my 20 flexible hose is grounded and I get zapped on occasion. For that matter I get zapped every time I get out of my truck during the winter months. Even at the gas station while other people are pumping gas? And you haven't spontaneously combusted?! I am not sure how old you are but I recall numerous news reports of fires at the pumps caused by a static discharge. Pumps in Houston warn to not fill loose gas cans inside a vehicle. |
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On Jan 15, 11:04*am, FrozenNorth
wrote: Limp Arbor wrote: On Jan 15, 10:07*am, "cm" wrote: Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. Oh no! not the PVC grounding thread again... Wrecker A: It is safe if you ground it. Wrecker B: You can't ground PVC, it is an insulator. Wrecker C: Don't listen to B, mine is grounded and I've never been shocked. Wrecker B: C has been very lucky. Wrecker D: I worked for Norad after I graduated from MIT and we were not allowed to use PVC because of the explosion hazards. Wrecker E: B & D are overstating the risk, in the past 200 years Lloyds has never paid an explosion claim for a home workshop using PVC dust collection. Wrecker F: What is ABPW? and why can't I get to it. Wrecker Rob: *I was dreaming about Swedish girls, and then thoughts about ungrounded PVC destroyed it all, in one loud boom. There, that should about cover it. Fixed you post. ;-) -- Froz... LOL... Angela likes to study curled up on the couch in the den with this warm fuzzy, synthetic-fur-like blanket. Now, with this cold snap, the air is dry. She got off the couch and shed the blanket and reached for the aluminium mac keyboard. The sound of that static crack, and Ang's reaction certainly had the Swedish twins button up in record speed. |
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Robatoy wrote:
On Jan 15, 11:04Â*am, FrozenNorth wrote: Limp Arbor wrote: On Jan 15, 10:07Â*am, "cm" wrote: Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. Oh no! not the PVC grounding thread again... Wrecker A: It is safe if you ground it. Wrecker B: You can't ground PVC, it is an insulator. Wrecker C: Don't listen to B, mine is grounded and I've never been shocked. Wrecker B: C has been very lucky. Wrecker D: I worked for Norad after I graduated from MIT and we were not allowed to use PVC because of the explosion hazards. Wrecker E: B & D are overstating the risk, in the past 200 years Lloyds has never paid an explosion claim for a home workshop using PVC dust collection. Wrecker F: What is ABPW? and why can't I get to it. Wrecker Rob: Â*I was dreaming about Swedish girls, and then thoughts about ungrounded PVC destroyed it all, in one loud boom. There, that should about cover it. Fixed you post. ;-) -- Froz... LOL... Angela likes to study curled up on the couch in the den with this warm fuzzy, synthetic-fur-like blanket. Now, with this cold snap, the air is dry. She got off the couch and shed the blanket and reached for the aluminium mac keyboard. The sound of that static crack, and Ang's reaction certainly had the Swedish twins button up in record speed. My wife just plays with her iPod Touch 32GB, while wearing sweats. ;-) -- Froz... 2 feet longer than a d00tchie. |
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Leon wrote:
"Steve Turner" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: "cm" wrote in message ... Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. cm I think the chances are slim but possible depending on the circumstances. Half of my 20 flexible hose is grounded and I get zapped on occasion. For that matter I get zapped every time I get out of my truck during the winter months. Even at the gas station while other people are pumping gas? And you haven't spontaneously combusted?! I am not sure how old you are but I recall numerous news reports of fires at the pumps caused by a static discharge. Pumps in Houston warn to not fill loose gas cans inside a vehicle. I wouldn't dispute that, but no I hadn't heard any such reports and I figure if they were "numerous" I would have heard of at least one. Anyway, my (implied) point was that the odds of an explosion in the presence of static electricity and gasoline vapors would seem far more likely that one in a wood shop, but how's about we just forget I said anything and we'll put the lid back on this can of worms... BTW, I just turned forty-mffmefmfs... :-) -- See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad! To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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J. Clarke wrote:
Pat Barber wrote: You did forget to mention that the original poster was probably a "pinko,communist, Doesn't "fag" usually come here in that litany? gay basher, IRA member,child molester, non-woodworker, who didn't know his ass from his elbow and should be in hell for even suggesting something that dangerous. Limp Arbor wrote: Oh no! not the PVC grounding thread again... Wrecker A: It is safe if you ground it. along with tree hugging, baby killing, bleeding heart, commie, pinko, liberal, leftwing puke! yr hmbl srvnt, jo4hn |
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"Steve Turner" wrote in message I am not sure how old you are but I recall numerous news reports of fires at the pumps caused by a static discharge. Pumps in Houston warn to not fill loose gas cans inside a vehicle. I wouldn't dispute that, but no I hadn't heard any such reports and I figure if they were "numerous" I would have heard of at least one. Anyway, my (implied) point was that the odds of an explosion in the presence of static electricity and gasoline vapors would seem far more likely that one in a wood shop, but how's about we just forget I said anything and we'll put the lid back on this can of worms... I've seen video of the exploding gas at the pumps. Usually caused when in the winter someone sets the pump to fill, gets back in the car to keep warm, then gets out and grabs the pump handle. I think that is one reason self service pump do not have the locking fill handle. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Steve Turner" wrote in message I am not sure how old you are but I recall numerous news reports of fires at the pumps caused by a static discharge. Pumps in Houston warn to not fill loose gas cans inside a vehicle. I wouldn't dispute that, but no I hadn't heard any such reports and I figure if they were "numerous" I would have heard of at least one. Anyway, my (implied) point was that the odds of an explosion in the presence of static electricity and gasoline vapors would seem far more likely that one in a wood shop, but how's about we just forget I said anything and we'll put the lid back on this can of worms... I've seen video of the exploding gas at the pumps. Usually caused when in the winter someone sets the pump to fill, gets back in the car to keep warm, then gets out and grabs the pump handle. I think that is one reason self service pump do not have the locking fill handle. In all the western states I've driven through Washington, California, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Texas, etc), I've never seen any non-locking fill handles, in fact I've never seen even one! I assume you're talking about the three position ridged thingie with the metal spring loaded fliper thingie thaqt allows you to "set and forget"? Can't be sure about Oregon as they don't allow self serve. |
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message In all the western states I've driven through Washington, California, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Texas, etc), I've never seen any non-locking fill handles, in fact I've never seen even one! I assume you're talking about the three position ridged thingie with the metal spring loaded fliper thingie thaqt allows you to "set and forget"? Can't be sure about Oregon as they don't allow self serve. Lucky you. In CT or MA you won't find one where the thingie has not been removed. I hate holding the thing in freezing weather or when I could be cleaning the windshield. You can jam it with the gas cap though, but only in a slow position. I did have a near accident though some years ago when self service first started. The person before me put the handle back in the locked on position. I picked it up and turned the switch on and gas started to spew. I was able to stop it quickly, but enough spilled that it could have been serious had a smoker been right there. Pumps have since been redesigned. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Steve Turner" wrote in message I am not sure how old you are but I recall numerous news reports of fires at the pumps caused by a static discharge. Pumps in Houston warn to not fill loose gas cans inside a vehicle. I wouldn't dispute that, but no I hadn't heard any such reports and I figure if they were "numerous" I would have heard of at least one. Anyway, my (implied) point was that the odds of an explosion in the presence of static electricity and gasoline vapors would seem far more likely that one in a wood shop, but how's about we just forget I said anything and we'll put the lid back on this can of worms... I've seen video of the exploding gas at the pumps. Usually caused when in the winter someone sets the pump to fill, gets back in the car to keep warm, then gets out and grabs the pump handle. I think that is one reason self service pump do not have the locking fill handle. Which is why I keep a piece of velcro on the lid holder on the gas cap. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Doug Winterburn wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: "Steve Turner" wrote in message I am not sure how old you are but I recall numerous news reports of fires at the pumps caused by a static discharge. Pumps in Houston warn to not fill loose gas cans inside a vehicle. I wouldn't dispute that, but no I hadn't heard any such reports and I figure if they were "numerous" I would have heard of at least one. Anyway, my (implied) point was that the odds of an explosion in the presence of static electricity and gasoline vapors would seem far more likely that one in a wood shop, but how's about we just forget I said anything and we'll put the lid back on this can of worms... I've seen video of the exploding gas at the pumps. Usually caused when in the winter someone sets the pump to fill, gets back in the car to keep warm, then gets out and grabs the pump handle. I think that is one reason self service pump do not have the locking fill handle. In all the western states I've driven through Washington, California, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Texas, etc), I've never seen any non-locking fill handles, in fact I've never seen even one! I assume you're talking about the three position ridged thingie with the metal spring loaded fliper thingie thaqt allows you to "set and forget"? Can't be sure about Oregon as they don't allow self serve. In CT some pumps have 'em, some don't, even at the same station. I've been assuming that they just got busted off and nobody replaced 'em. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Leon wrote:
"cm" wrote in message ... Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. cm I think the chances are slim but possible depending on the circumstances. Half of my 20 flexible hose is grounded and I get zapped on occasion. For that matter I get zapped every time I get out of my truck during the winter months. In Houston? You gotta be kiddin' me. Can't you pretty much squeeze water out of the air down there? That kind of stuff is a regular occurrence for us in AZ. We've got a humidifier that we run in the winter just to avoid being shocked when touching any metal. -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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"Steve Turner" wrote in message ... I wouldn't dispute that, but no I hadn't heard any such reports and I figure if they were "numerous" I would have heard of at least one. Anyway, my (implied) point was that the odds of an explosion in the presence of static electricity and gasoline vapors would seem far more likely that one in a wood shop, but how's about we just forget I said anything and we'll put the lid back on this can of worms... While I agree that an explosion from saw dust and a static spark is unlikely, the work shop does have volatile substances that could ignite. My original point to my post was to point out that saw dust in the dust collector is not the only thing that could be ignited by a static spark. BTW, I just turned forty-mffmefmfs... :-) Forty What? LOL |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... I've seen video of the exploding gas at the pumps. Usually caused when in the winter someone sets the pump to fill, gets back in the car to keep warm, then gets out and grabs the pump handle. I think that is one reason self service pump do not have the locking fill handle. That makes sense, all of that. I recall pump handles not having a lock and then a few years ago the lock levers began to reappear. In Houston I think all pumps have the lock and we are seeing an increase in fires at the pump. |
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message ... In all the western states I've driven through Washington, California, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Texas, etc), I've never seen any non-locking fill handles, in fact I've never seen even one! I assume you're talking about the three position ridged thingie with the metal spring loaded fliper thingie thaqt allows you to "set and forget"? Can't be sure about Oregon as they don't allow self serve. Several years ago the pumps in Texas did not have the lock but have reappeared in full force. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "Doug Winterburn" wrote in message In all the western states I've driven through Washington, California, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Texas, etc), I've never seen any non-locking fill handles, in fact I've never seen even one! I assume you're talking about the three position ridged thingie with the metal spring loaded fliper thingie thaqt allows you to "set and forget"? Can't be sure about Oregon as they don't allow self serve. Lucky you. In CT or MA you won't find one where the thingie has not been removed. I hate holding the thing in freezing weather or when I could be cleaning the windshield. You can jam it with the gas cap though, but only in a slow position. Wow you bring back memories with the mention of delicately inserting the cap in the handle. LOL I did have a near accident though some years ago when self service first started. The person before me put the handle back in the locked on position. I picked it up and turned the switch on and gas started to spew. I was able to stop it quickly, but enough spilled that it could have been serious had a smoker been right there. Pumps have since been redesigned. |
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"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: "cm" wrote in message ... Leon, I agree with your comments. Very good point on the flammables. One of the books I read suggested it is not worth the chance to use PVC ducting. I would say it is very safe along with some grounding. cm I think the chances are slim but possible depending on the circumstances. Half of my 20 flexible hose is grounded and I get zapped on occasion. For that matter I get zapped every time I get out of my truck during the winter months. In Houston? You gotta be kiddin' me. Can't you pretty much squeeze water out of the air down there? Yes you can get a drink of water by simply breathing through your open mouth, in the Summer months. Winter however can be quite dry and I build up quite a charge, enough so that I try to temember to discharge myself by grasping my keys and letting the tip of a key be the ignition point as get ready to close the door. You can easily see a 1/4" spark. That kind of stuff is a regular occurrence for us in AZ. We've got a humidifier that we run in the winter just to avoid being shocked when touching any metal. When I visited my sister in Denver it always seemed strange to want to humidify the air. LOL |
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"Leon" wrote Yes you can get a drink of water by simply breathing through your open mouth, in the Summer months. Winter however can be quite dry and I build up quite a charge, enough so that I try to temember to discharge myself by grasping my keys and letting the tip of a key be the ignition point as get ready to close the door. You can easily see a 1/4" spark. Reminds me of the electronics lab at my old technical school. We were tasked with not only generating huge amounts of static electricity with/without our bodies, but we had to discharge it and MEASURE it! It became like a horror movie, mad scientist laboratory. We had different kinds of synthetic material that we would rub with glass rods and our feet. We would build up a charge and go out into the hallway and look for victims. After enough complaints, we got shut down. Talk about being politically incorrect. |
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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message ... Reminds me of the electronics lab at my old technical school. We were tasked with not only generating huge amounts of static electricity with/without our bodies, but we had to discharge it and MEASURE it! It became like a horror movie, mad scientist laboratory. We had different kinds of synthetic material that we would rub with glass rods and our feet. We would build up a charge and go out into the hallway and look for victims. After enough complaints, we got shut down. Talk about being politically incorrect. I learned the key trick in my college physics class. We too were working with high voltage static electricity. I first started using the technique for practical use when vacationing in the mountains, I could actually feel the jolt up to my elbow. |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... I learned the key trick in my college physics class. We too were working with high voltage static electricity. I first started using the technique for practical use when vacationing in the mountains, I could actually feel the jolt up to my elbow. Something to be aware of however. Modern vehicle keys have anti theft circuitry in them, I wonder how they would hold up after using them as a conduit to discharge you static charge. |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote in message ... I learned the key trick in my college physics class. We too were working with high voltage static electricity. I first started using the technique for practical use when vacationing in the mountains, I could actually feel the jolt up to my elbow. Something to be aware of however. Modern vehicle keys have anti theft circuitry in them, I wonder how they would hold up after using them as a conduit to discharge you static charge. After taking of my jacket, I grab a coin from my pocket and ground it before kissing my wife. She appreciates it. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
After taking of my jacket, I grab a coin from my pocket and ground it before kissing my wife. She appreciates it. The coin or the kiss. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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"Leon" wrote in message
... "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... I've seen video of the exploding gas at the pumps. Usually caused when in the winter someone sets the pump to fill, gets back in the car to keep warm, then gets out and grabs the pump handle. I think that is one reason self service pump do not have the locking fill handle. That makes sense, all of that. I recall pump handles not having a lock and then a few years ago the lock levers began to reappear. In Houston I think all pumps have the lock and we are seeing an increase in fires at the pump. How many gas pump fires? Having a difficult time here googling up hard numbers. I suppose just one is enough to ruin your day, but just how many fires? (Never mind explosions. We're pretty much safe even with the filler neck on fire, unless you happen to be filming a movie.) Regards flammables in the shop... One of my most favorite toys is a Swedish Firesteel. It's a magnesium rod that throws off little burning bits of itself when struck. Finding usable tinder isn't really difficult, but it's bad enough that I keep it with a box of cotton balls already soaked in petroleum jelly. In context of DC fires and static discharge, the energy content in even one magnesium spark is magnitudes larger than what leaves your fingertips. Not sure what I'm trying to say. Yes, the potential is there, but just how big a danger is it? How much energy will it take to ignite the gas fumes exiting the filler neck? How easy is it ignite that pile of wood dust? For that matter, I have died of BLO soaked rags yet... |
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"MikeWhy" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote in message How many gas pump fires? Having a difficult time here googling up hard numbers. I suppose just one is enough to ruin your day, but just how many fires? (Never mind explosions. We're pretty much safe even with the filler neck on fire, unless you happen to be filming a movie.) It seems like at least once a year there is news coverage of a fire at a gas pump. IIRC gasoline cans or pump lables warn about this possibility. Regards flammables in the shop... One of my most favorite toys is a Swedish Firesteel. It's a magnesium rod that throws off little burning bits of itself when struck. Finding usable tinder isn't really difficult, but it's bad enough that I keep it with a box of cotton balls already soaked in petroleum jelly. In context of DC fires and static discharge, the energy content in even one magnesium spark is magnitudes larger than what leaves your fingertips. Conditions being rightand on a cold dry day I can see an arc that measures a quarter inch or so if I grab the ungrounded end of the DC hose. Much longer than that of the typical spark plug. My concern is if you have some acetone near by or on a rag. I am not so much worried about whether the DC is running or its particular contents. Not sure what I'm trying to say. Yes, the potential is there, but just how big a danger is it? How much energy will it take to ignite the gas fumes exiting the filler neck? How easy is it ignite that pile of wood dust? For that matter, I have died of BLO soaked rags yet... The potential is probably very low for even flamable fumes but the danger could be high if they actually ignited. The quarter inch arc is way past enough to ignite flamable fumes if they are present. You only need a simple spark in the right atmosphere. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... After taking of my jacket, I grab a coin from my pocket and ground it before kissing my wife. She appreciates it. Your sure are lucky ED, my wife prefers the paper money. ;~) |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... After taking of my jacket, I grab a coin from my pocket and ground it before kissing my wife. She appreciates it. And still on another note, when we had carpet in our house I was always zapping our dog on her nose on those cold dry days, she'd kinda freak out. ;!) |
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Leon wrote:
"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message ... In all the western states I've driven through Washington, California, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Texas, etc), I've never seen any non-locking fill handles, in fact I've never seen even one! I assume you're talking about the three position ridged thingie with the metal spring loaded fliper thingie thaqt allows you to "set and forget"? Can't be sure about Oregon as they don't allow self serve. Several years ago the pumps in Texas did not have the lock but have reappeared in full force. When selfservice gas stations replaced attendents the fuel pump lever locks were removed or never installed because a number of the usual suspects were worried that the members of the motoring public were to STUPID to know how to properly work them. So they got the nervous nellies at the Fire Marshals Office to declare them hazardous and caused them to be outlawed. Well the motoring public was smarter than the average enviroterrorist and we have a resurgence of lever locks. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Lucky you. In CT or MA you won't find one where the thingie has not been removed. I hate holding the thing in freezing weather or when I could be cleaning the windshield. You can jam it with the gas cap though, but only in a slow position. A tennis ball works well for high speed fills. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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J. Clarke wrote:
Which is why I keep a piece of velcro on the lid holder on the gas cap. In PA, most have the holders but some don't. I always stick my gas cap in the ones that don't... Once at a Sheets, I did this and the auto shutoff didn't shut off... gas everywhere. I still do it now, but pay more attention. -- Jack Using FREE News Server: http://Motzarella.org http://jbstein.com |
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"Pat Barber" wrote in message ... I don't recall anything that caused a bigger name calling contest than the several infamous PVC dust collection safety issues. Mailbox. |
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"Leon" wrote in message And still on another note, when we had carpet in our house I was always zapping our dog on her nose on those cold dry days, she'd kinda freak out. I do that with my cat, except I don't need a carpet. Stroke her side a few times, shock her nose and then she chomps on my finger. It's down to the point now that it's a game we play and she keeps coming back for more. I end up laughing my head off for about ten minutes. |
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