Least we not forget 44 years ago today.


Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
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Least we not forget 44 years ago today.

64 years?


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"Swingman" wrote:

64 years?

Engage brain before fingersG

Thank you.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Least we not forget 44 years ago today.


Many young men died that day in support of a good cause.

We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
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Least we not forget 44 years ago today.


Lew

A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in North
Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as much
land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!






"Woodie" wrote in message
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Least we not forget 44 years ago today.


Many young men died that day in support of a good cause.

sawzdust wrote:
A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in North
Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as much
land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
....

I expect there are a number of E Europeans that would have opted for a
much more agressive attempt of forestalling Stalin...

You really should read more...

--

sawzdust wrote:

A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel
in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!

I believe you need oil to prosecute a war, but I could be wrong. You think
that's why the Nazi's were in N. Africa? Or was it they needed the sand?


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Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and it
would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day late and a
dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books and
clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
speedy!



"dpb" wrote in message ...
sawzdust wrote:
A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
North
Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as
much
land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
...

I expect there are a number of E Europeans that would have opted for a
much more agressive attempt of forestalling Stalin...

You really should read more...

--

sawzdust wrote:
Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and it
would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day late and a
dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books and
clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
speedy!

Try Churchill and other contemporaries.

--

I guess you lost your point eh speedy! If I was examining US History and
D-Day and the our involvement in WWII... I'd skip Churchill.

but feel free to hammer a nail with a screwdriver, eventually it just might
work for ya!




"dpb" wrote in message ...
sawzdust wrote:
Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and it
would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day late
and a
dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books
and
clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
speedy!

Try Churchill and other contemporaries.

--

Well yes and no, if you recall Germany had Romania and the Ploesti Oil
fields. One does need oil, but the US involvement was to PROTECT it's OIL
Interests not to stop Hitler. Most of Germans in N. Afrika were there to
support and in treaty with the Italians to fight the British. Not all that
for the oil, which is one of the Reasons Hitler went to war with Russia,
when he went after Stalingrad he also drove south for their oil fields....


"evodawg" wrote in message
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sawzdust wrote:

A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel
in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!

I believe you need oil to prosecute a war, but I could be wrong. You
think
that's why the Nazi's were in N. Africa? Or was it they needed the sand?


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but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

"sawzdust" wrote in message
news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not for
glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still fought
for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776 to
2008 and We will fight for it in the future. Your comments are proof that
our efforts were worth while, YOU are free to comment any way you like and
that is part of why We fought and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave
you that right and honor them, We honered you.


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
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Least we not forget 44 years ago today.


Lew

sawzdust wrote:
.... ... I'd skip Churchill.

Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
of the prosecution of the war.

What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I would
wager.

--

Well as for the War, Rommel was a far better read, and as for insight and
knowledge I would prefer the Generals and not the politicians! One might
read Clinton for getting head, and LBJ for Vietnam........but still they
offered nothing of value! Try to Remember Churchill was a Military
failure( Battle of Gallipoli ). He for the most part of his military career
was only a war correspondent, had poor tactics and his only claim to fame is
he made great speeches! You read him!

See kid this was about D-Day and the infamy of it~

Just so you know many who served in N.Afrika also fought in Italy. Afrika's
point is that Americas involvement never had anything to do with the people
of Europe, we protected our oil interests first and foremost. America
thought US soldiers should die defending oil, not the people of Europe.
D-Day was NOT a noble deed~ Simply sacrificing US Sodiers for land! Anyone
who claims that it was to "save" Europe..... was way to late for that!

The point is... America jumped into War to protect it's oil, all the time
Hitler ravages Europe (we sit silent) olny then with Russia wining the war,
we wait until Russia heads for Berlin, then jump in and claim We won! D-Day
was a slaughter of US Soldiers 1.4 K killed 6K wounded.... 10K+ Soldiers
died that day.




"dpb" wrote in message ...
sawzdust wrote:
... ... I'd skip Churchill.

Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
of the prosecution of the war.

What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I would
wager.

--

How funny are you? You don't travel much but Freedom in America has
disappeared! Only an utter moron wouldn't realize that "a nation of Peace"
as Bush loves to claim, has been at War my whole live, Outright conflicts
Korea, Vietnam, the Cold War and inbetween more covert wars then anyone can
imagine. EVERYDAY for MORE THEN 50 YEARS wasted on WAR?

You lack any knowledge whatsoever....We didn't fight for that "idea" in
1776, we fought against tax's. yet imposed a far greater tax to fund the
Revolutionary War. One of the great causes of the War was the fact the
British failed to protect the citizens (especially from PA. from Indian
attacks) we demanded action and the fact is the Brtitish weren't as blood
thirsty or as greedy as the Americans were.

I hate to inform you, but you can travel to most countries and have a higher
level and more protected freedom of speech then you do in America!

and your ignorance only proves that America will repeat it's mistakes over
and over regardless of the cost of lives!


"sweet sawdust" wrote in message
...

"sawzdust" wrote in message
news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests
once
again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not
for
glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still
fought
for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776 to
2008 and We will fight for it in the future. Your comments are proof that
our efforts were worth while, YOU are free to comment any way you like and
that is part of why We fought and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave
you that right and honor them, We honered you.


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
Least we not forget 44 years ago today.


Lew

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:16:38 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:

How funny are you?

He's not as funny as you.

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sawzdust wrote:
Well as for the War, Rommel was a far better read, and as for insight and
knowledge I would prefer the Generals and not the politicians!

Well, the politicians are the ones who directed the generals, so you
need to know what they were thinking as well...

....
... Try to Remember Churchill was a Military
failure( Battle of Gallipoli ). He for the most part of his military career
was only a war correspondent, had poor tactics and his only claim to fame is
he made great speeches! You read him!

Try to remember Churchill's contribution in WW II was as Prime Minister,
not as active military.

See kid this was about D-Day and the infamy of it~

I suspect I'm at least as old as you...

Just so you know many who served in N.Afrika also fought in Italy. Afrika's
point is that Americas involvement never had anything to do with the people
of Europe, we protected our oil interests first and foremost. America
thought US soldiers should die defending oil, not the people of Europe.

No, not really...we intended to stay out entirely. Other than
Lend-Lease, probably would have done so for at least another year except
for Pearl Harbor. At that point, we were in for good or ill and chose
the most expedient way possible to win, given initial ill-preparedeness.
N Africa was first for US land troops only because it was the one
place there was an opportunity w/o certain utter defeat to start.

D-Day was NOT a noble deed~ Simply sacrificing US Sodiers for land! Anyone
who claims that it was to "save" Europe..... was way to late for that!

It was to fulfill commitment to Stalin to open second front and to close
the war as quickly as possible. If it had been a land grab, it would
have been far more successful politically than it was. It was
deliberate orders to Eisenhower to _not_ progress that led to the final
positions.

Finis.

--


The point is... America jumped into War to protect it's oil, all the time
Hitler ravages Europe (we sit silent) olny then with Russia wining the war,
we wait until Russia heads for Berlin, then jump in and claim We won! D-Day
was a slaughter of US Soldiers 1.4 K killed 6K wounded.... 10K+ Soldiers
died that day.




"dpb" wrote in message ...
sawzdust wrote:
... ... I'd skip Churchill.

Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
of the prosecution of the war.

What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I would
wager.

--

"dpb" wrote in message ...
sawzdust wrote:
Well as for the War, Rommel was a far better read, and as for insight
and
knowledge I would prefer the Generals and not the politicians!

Well, the politicians are the ones who directed the generals, so you
need to know what they were thinking as well...

...
... Try to Remember Churchill was a Military
failure( Battle of Gallipoli ). He for the most part of his military
career
was only a war correspondent, had poor tactics and his only claim to
fame is
he made great speeches! You read him!

Try to remember Churchill's contribution in WW II was as Prime Minister,
not as active military.

See kid this was about D-Day and the infamy of it~

I suspect I'm at least as old as you...

Just so you know many who served in N.Afrika also fought in Italy.
Afrika's
point is that Americas involvement never had anything to do with the
people
of Europe, we protected our oil interests first and foremost. America
thought US soldiers should die defending oil, not the people of Europe.

No, not really...we intended to stay out entirely. Other than
Lend-Lease, probably would have done so for at least another year except
for Pearl Harbor. At that point, we were in for good or ill and chose
the most expedient way possible to win, given initial ill-preparedeness.
N Africa was first for US land troops only because it was the one
place there was an opportunity w/o certain utter defeat to start.

D-Day was NOT a noble deed~ Simply sacrificing US Sodiers for land!
Anyone
who claims that it was to "save" Europe..... was way to late for that!

It was to fulfill commitment to Stalin to open second front and to close
the war as quickly as possible. If it had been a land grab, it would
have been far more successful politically than it was. It was
deliberate orders to Eisenhower to _not_ progress that led to the final
positions.

Finis.

--


The point is... America jumped into War to protect it's oil, all the
time
Hitler ravages Europe (we sit silent) olny then with Russia wining the
war,
we wait until Russia heads for Berlin, then jump in and claim We won!
D-Day
was a slaughter of US Soldiers 1.4 K killed 6K wounded.... 10K+ Soldiers
died that day.




"dpb" wrote in message ...
sawzdust wrote:
... ... I'd skip Churchill.

Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
of the prosecution of the war.

What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I
would
wager.

--

Sorry kid but politicians don't establish tactics.


"dpb" wrote in message ...
sawzdust wrote:
Well as for the War, Rommel was a far better read, and as for insight
and
knowledge I would prefer the Generals and not the politicians!

Well, the politicians are the ones who directed the generals, so you
need to know what they were thinking as well...

...
... Try to Remember Churchill was a Military
failure( Battle of Gallipoli ). He for the most part of his military
career
was only a war correspondent, had poor tactics and his only claim to
fame is
he made great speeches! You read him!

Try to remember Churchill's contribution in WW II was as Prime Minister,
not as active military.

See kid this was about D-Day and the infamy of it~

I suspect I'm at least as old as you...

Just so you know many who served in N.Afrika also fought in Italy.
Afrika's
point is that Americas involvement never had anything to do with the
people
of Europe, we protected our oil interests first and foremost. America
thought US soldiers should die defending oil, not the people of Europe.

No, not really...we intended to stay out entirely. Other than
Lend-Lease, probably would have done so for at least another year except
for Pearl Harbor. At that point, we were in for good or ill and chose
the most expedient way possible to win, given initial ill-preparedeness.
N Africa was first for US land troops only because it was the one
place there was an opportunity w/o certain utter defeat to start.

D-Day was NOT a noble deed~ Simply sacrificing US Sodiers for land!
Anyone
who claims that it was to "save" Europe..... was way to late for that!

It was to fulfill commitment to Stalin to open second front and to close
the war as quickly as possible. If it had been a land grab, it would
have been far more successful politically than it was. It was
deliberate orders to Eisenhower to _not_ progress that led to the final
positions.

Finis.

--


The point is... America jumped into War to protect it's oil, all the
time
Hitler ravages Europe (we sit silent) olny then with Russia wining the
war,
we wait until Russia heads for Berlin, then jump in and claim We won!
D-Day
was a slaughter of US Soldiers 1.4 K killed 6K wounded.... 10K+ Soldiers
died that day.




"dpb" wrote in message ...
sawzdust wrote:
... ... I'd skip Churchill.

Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
of the prosecution of the war.

What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I
would
wager.

--

yeah BARRY you're the sharp one eh?

See what's even funnier is that you thought you'd be really reall clever and
post like you have....and really in all honesty since you add nothing it's
apparent your just jerking yourself off at how clever you think you
are.....and all you get is sticky fingers and a crusty T shirt your mom is
forced to wash! Laugh on joke boy and then wash your hands


"B A R R Y" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:16:38 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:

How funny are you?

He's not as funny as you.

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On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:22:15 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:
Laugh on joke boy and then wash your hands

I prefer unscented baby wipes.

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I guess you did learn something!


"B A R R Y" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:22:15 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:
Laugh on joke boy and then wash your hands

I prefer unscented baby wipes.

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On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:35:20 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:

I guess you did learn something!

Tomorrow, I'll be exercising my lack of freedom by flying the Hudson
River corridor, from the I-84 bridge, down the NJ side, past Alpine
Towers, around "The Lady", and back up the Manhattan side of the
river. I'll do all ~ 900 feet above the ground, with a few passengers
to enjoy the view.

My trip around the Lady will be between 3 and 3:30 PM.

Don't forget to wave. G

If you wave hard enough, I'll rock the wings over the giant clock near
Ellis Island!

We can meet you @ Teterboro or Westchester for lunch, too.

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sawzdust wrote:
A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause
in
North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting
Rommel in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we
could grab as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in
that!e

plonk

sawzdust wrote:
A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in North
Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as much
land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!

So who ****ed in your oatmeal this morning?

So much anger spewing from you keyboard today!

WOW a pilot I'm really impressed.....BWAHAHAHAAA Gee just pat yourself on
the back again and again. I hate to tell you the last thing I did on my GI
Bill was flight school. Used to fly out of Solberg! Just not the same
without the Towers! I don't fly anymore just not that much fun........but
have fun kiddo~

I really don't want to meet you, I possibly think less of you then you do of
yourself. You really have some issues to boast and brag as you do what do
they consider that lack of self esteem?

What next you're a war hero and Vietnam Vet too!





"B A R R Y" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:35:20 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:

I guess you did learn something!

Tomorrow, I'll be exercising my lack of freedom by flying the Hudson
River corridor, from the I-84 bridge, down the NJ side, past Alpine
Towers, around "The Lady", and back up the Manhattan side of the
river. I'll do all ~ 900 feet above the ground, with a few passengers
to enjoy the view.

My trip around the Lady will be between 3 and 3:30 PM.

Don't forget to wave. G

If you wave hard enough, I'll rock the wings over the giant clock near
Ellis Island!

We can meet you @ Teterboro or Westchester for lunch, too.

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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:25:22 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:

Used to fly out of Solberg!

N51? Cool!

Do you know Jerry? He participates here on occasion and lives near
that field. Jerry bought a DJ-20 from one of my local wood dealers.


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Anger? Disappointment! Where's the anger point?

It's tragic, that America distorts the truth it's own history. It's just
sad!

"Woodie" wrote in message
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sawzdust wrote:
A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
North
Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as
much
land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!

So who ****ed in your oatmeal this morning?

So much anger spewing from you keyboard today!

sweet sawdust wrote:
"sawzdust" wrote in message
news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not for
glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still fought
for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776 to
2008 and We will fight for it in the future. Your comments are proof that
our efforts were worth while, YOU are free to comment any way you like and
that is part of why We fought and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave
you that right and honor them, We honered you.

Nicely put. Thanks.

Tanus

I'm Sorry B A R R Y, but I'm full up on buddies! Have a good flight, but
work on them issues ya hear!

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:25:22 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:

Used to fly out of Solberg!

N51? Cool!

Do you know Jerry? He participates here on occasion and lives near
that field. Jerry bought a DJ-20 from one of my local wood dealers.


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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:42:30 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:

I'm Sorry B A R R Y, but I'm full up on buddies!

Sorry you'll miss our lunch!

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17
@trnddc02:

Least we not forget 44 years ago today.


Lew

Indeed 64 years ago.

I was on Pointe du Hoc a few weeks ago and my French niece said "I am cold
"(it was windy and cool)", but happy that those brave guys came here when
they did, because otherwise my grandparents may not have made it through
the war." It was not easy trying not to be Jewish in Holland in the early
'40s.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

sawzdust wrote:
Anger? Disappointment! Where's the anger point?

It's tragic, that America distorts the truth it's own history. It's just
sad!


Perhaps you're just constipated. Try that oatmeal with a little extra
bran and a big glass of water.

B A R R Y wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:42:30 GMT, "sawzdust"
wrote:

I'm Sorry B A R R Y, but I'm full up on buddies!

Sorry you'll miss our lunch!

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He's such an angry liberal! About the only thing he's happy about it hating
Bush.

--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:06:00 GMT, evodawg wrote:



He's such an angry liberal! About the only thing he's happy about it hating
Bush.


Wasn't Bush a pilot, too? G

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"Tanus" wrote in message
...
sweet sawdust wrote:
"sawzdust" wrote in message
news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that
day,
forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests
once
again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in,
not for glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but
we still fought for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for
that idea from 1776 to 2008 and We will fight for it in the future.
Your comments are proof that our efforts were worth while, YOU are
free to comment any way you like and that is part of why We fought
and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave you that right and honor
them, We honered you.

Nicely put. Thanks.

Tanus

Thank You,

Max (1st Cav, Korea, '50 - '51)

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:21:53 -0500, sweet sawdust wrote:

We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!

We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not for
glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still fought
for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776 to
2008 and We will fight for it in the future.

Read his post again. He's dissing the politicians, not the military. And
he's right. All too often we've gone to war to protect profits, not
freedom. Even in WWII ("The Last Good War") American companies (like IBM)
were continuing to sell to our enemies or to make exorbitant profits at
home.

In article ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04, "sawzdust" wrote:
We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!

The only land we "grabbed" in Europe is cemetery plots in France.

Dumbass.

plonk

B A R R Y wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:06:00 GMT, evodawg wrote:



He's such an angry liberal! About the only thing he's happy about it
hating Bush.


Wasn't Bush a pilot, too? G

Yes, yes he was, but I believe it was exposed by George Soros and
Moveoff.org, not a very good one.


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