I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

JP
***********************************************
I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

In article . com, "Jay Pique" wrote:
I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

Oh, my, yes. Douglas fir and redwood are just *awful*.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Jay Pique wrote:
I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

JP
***********************************************
I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

And you REALLY don't need a staph infection, so it might be worth a
trip to the Dr. to make SURE it's all out and maybe get some
antibiotics.

As to why the splinter is vigorously ejecting the cat - well, I really
couldn't say.

JLarsson

Hey Jay,
I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV either but I would bet that
you have an infection and not merely an immune response to an antigen.
Both can produce inflammation but the production of puss (lots of white
blood cells called up to fight an infection) is more likely due to
bacteria. Get to a doc, even a small puncture wound like a splinter
can introduce anaerobic bacteria - like the ones that cause gangrene.

Marc
Jay Pique wrote:
I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

JP
***********************************************
I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

marc rosen wrote:
Hey Jay,
I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV either but I would bet that
you have an infection and not merely an immune response to an antigen.
Both can produce inflammation but the production of puss (lots of white
blood cells called up to fight an infection) is more likely due to
bacteria. Get to a doc, even a small puncture wound like a splinter
can introduce anaerobic bacteria - like the ones that cause gangrene.

Wow. It's just a white bump on the side of my index finger, but it
doesn't really seem to be getting better. I've drained it with a
needle, but it sorta comes right back the next day. Man, maybe I
really will see the doc tomorrow. Thanks.

JP

Redwood. Ouch.

-Zz

On 9 Aug 2006 15:30:47 -0700, "Jay Pique"
wrote:

I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

JP
***********************************************
I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

Jay Pique wrote:
marc rosen wrote:
Hey Jay,
I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV either but I would bet that
you have an infection and not merely an immune response to an antigen.
Both can produce inflammation but the production of puss (lots of white
blood cells called up to fight an infection) is more likely due to
bacteria. Get to a doc, even a small puncture wound like a splinter
can introduce anaerobic bacteria - like the ones that cause gangrene.

Wow. It's just a white bump on the side of my index finger, but it
doesn't really seem to be getting better. I've drained it with a
needle, but it sorta comes right back the next day. Man, maybe I
really will see the doc tomorrow. Thanks.

JP

part of the function of puss in a splinter type wound is to surround
the foreign material with something goopy and slippery to help with
flushing it out. so when you drain the puss go ahead and dig for the
splinter at the same time- often you can squeeze the whole mess out of
there at once. then clean it out well with peroxide...

In article . com,
"Jay Pique" wrote:

I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

I've had my share of D.Fir splinters that start the pus faucet. Painful
as it may be to do, try squeezing the area like a pimple - I've had
pretty good success with the now softened splinter squirting right out.
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
_________

There is no "W" in Leadership.

On 9 Aug 2006 15:30:47 -0700, "Jay Pique"
wrote:

I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

JP
***********************************************
I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

I get some from time-to-time that I cannot remove or cannot remove
completely. They will fester and as someone mentions above, your body
will respond by sending an army of white cells to fight the foreign
body.
Going to the doc is not always my first approach. I'll rip it open
fairly well, let it drain and then put on a bandage with lots of
Neosporin. If it is small enough , your bodys response will disolve it
over time.
I only go to the doc if I see a red line moving from the site up my
arm.
Going to the doc will mean hours of waiting, an ultrasound to locate
it, etc. If it is very small the US may not pick it up. In that case
they will send you home to wait and see.

JMO - keep an eye on it for sure.

J

Jay Pique wrote:

I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

I read in a book about the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars that the
British did some research in this area and decided to built their warships
in Britain out of oak and pine rather than teak, even though structurally
the teak was superior, because they found that splinter wounds from teak
("splinter" in this case is the aftermath of a cannonball going through the
side of the ship and we might think of it today as "wooden shrapnel")
almost invariably turned septic but oak and pine usually did not.

So, yes, some species are more splinterific than others.

JP
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I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Jay Pique wrote:

I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

I read in a book about the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars that the
British did some research in this area and decided to built their warships
in Britain out of oak and pine rather than teak, even though structurally
the teak was superior, because they found that splinter wounds from teak
("splinter" in this case is the aftermath of a cannonball going through
the
side of the ship and we might think of it today as "wooden shrapnel")
almost invariably turned septic but oak and pine usually did not.

So, yes, some species are more splinterific than others.

I should point out that the cannon ball did not have to penetrate the hull
to produce splinters or wooden shrapnel. You hit wood hard enough on the
outside, it will throw off splinters on the inside.

I don't think any of us are that strong. But a cannon ball will do the
trick. Particularly if shot from point blank range and a direct hit is
accomplished.

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
ups.com...
I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

JP
***********************************************
I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

DF has given me some nasty splinters. As soon as I get one, I make every
effort to remove it before it get locked in. It sometimes calls for a
little self-administered surgery. A very sharp pocket knife has served me
well a number of times. Dr. Dave says, clean well with alcohol, cut it
open, remove the intruder, apply antibiotic, bandage or super glue and move
on. But then again, anyone who takes medical advise from the wreck needs to
see a doctor anyway!

Dave



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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:38:15 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Jay Pique wrote:

I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

I read in a book about the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars that the
British did some research in this area and decided to built their warships
in Britain out of oak and pine rather than teak, even though structurally
the teak was superior, because they found that splinter wounds from teak
("splinter" in this case is the aftermath of a cannonball going through the
side of the ship and we might think of it today as "wooden shrapnel")
almost invariably turned septic but oak and pine usually did not.

Of course they never were sophisticated enough to realize that a
cannonball would -most often- bounce off of a teak hull.

So, yes, some species are more splinterific than others.

JP
***********************************************
I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

Joe Bemier wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:38:15 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Jay Pique wrote:

....
I read in a book about the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars that the
British did some research in this area and decided to built their warships
in Britain out of oak and pine rather than teak, even though structurally
the teak was superior, because they found that splinter wounds from teak
("splinter" in this case is the aftermath of a cannonball going through the
side of the ship and we might think of it today as "wooden shrapnel")
almost invariably turned septic but oak and pine usually did not.

Of course they never were sophisticated enough to realize that a
cannonball would -most often- bounce off of a teak hull.
....

As someone else already noted, the process of bouncing off can (and
often did) create "splinters" on the other side--essentially the
equivalent of spalling in concrete. Whatever they were, the British
Navy was not unsophisticated in relation to the state of the art at the
time...

Jay Pique wrote:
Man, maybe I really will see the doc tomorrow.

Do it. Buddy of mine, 100Kg of pure healthy muscle, nearly died
of septicemia (liver failure) after ignoring a cut on his toe
from a rusty nail. No point being too macho about it.

J. Clarke wrote:
JLarsson wrote:


Jay Pique wrote:
I'm not sure if it's Doug Fir or Hemlock that's in there, but I've got
a splinter that's really putting out the puss. And the thing is, I
thought I got the whole thing out. Are there certain species that are
more splinterific than others?

JP
***********************************************
I'm breaking out the scratch awl next.

And you REALLY don't need a staph infection, so it might be worth a
trip to the Dr. to make SURE it's all out and maybe get some
antibiotics.

As to why the splinter is vigorously ejecting the cat - well, I really
couldn't say.

Maybe he's put out about the smell--cats have sensitive noses.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Yeah - my cats seem not to like it when I catch 'em in the nose with my
foot.

Kidding aside, Jim Corbett, who had more to do with man-eating tigers
and leopards than anybody else I can think of, was convinced that
neither one had that great a sense of smell. And I believe lions are
pretty fond of meat so rotten it would give a medical examiner the
gags. I guess that doesn't mean they can't smell it though, does it.
Maybe they just like the smell. 8^X

JLarsson

On 10 Aug 2006 13:42:17 -0700, "dpb" wrote:


Joe Bemier wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:38:15 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Jay Pique wrote:

...
I read in a book about the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars that the
British did some research in this area and decided to built their warships
in Britain out of oak and pine rather than teak, even though structurally
the teak was superior, because they found that splinter wounds from teak
("splinter" in this case is the aftermath of a cannonball going through the
side of the ship and we might think of it today as "wooden shrapnel")
almost invariably turned septic but oak and pine usually did not.

Of course they never were sophisticated enough to realize that a
cannonball would -most often- bounce off of a teak hull.
...

As someone else already noted, the process of bouncing off can (and
often did) create "splinters" on the other side--essentially the
equivalent of spalling in concrete. Whatever they were, the British
Navy was not unsophisticated in relation to the state of the art at the
time...

I read it - the poster is incorrect


The history of Teak wood

First, a little history lesson:

It is not a well known fact, but is has been written that the Chinese
have been renowned sailors for generations. Many of their ships were
built and designed to not only sail in the oceans, but also to move up
river. Much of the trade then, was done several thousand miles up
river and not out in the ocean. These ships needed to be versatile,
durable, and tough.

The wood used to build these early Chinese ships was Teak. It is also
said that the Chinese shipbuilders would bury the wood logs in moist
soil for years prior to building their ships. This made the wood much
stronger and impervious to anything that could be encountered on the
high seas,including enemies. Why was this important? It was important
because approx. 600 years ago the Chinese were set out on a task by
the Ming dynasty to sail to the edge of the world. Apparently they
circumnavigated the world several times. But this is going off to
another subject. Let’s get back to the subject at hand (I'll bet you
didn't know that you would actually be learning something too?).

Later in years, British naval ships were made from Oak, also a very
hard and durable wood. The British encountered two problems with oak:
Wood Worms and a lack of Oak trees. Woodworms were destroying the
ships in the British Naval Fleet. Woodworms were the scourge of wooden
ships throughout history. It could take 850 oak logs to repair one
ship. It took a little over 2000 oak logs just to build one ship. The
British needed ships as they continued for some time to have maritime
issues with the French and to be able to go on to conquer and take
control of British colonies. The British naval fleet was their primary
means to accomplish this.

The Oak supply in Europe was being quickly depleted. They knew about
the Teak wood used on the Chinese ships and how rugged they were after
having run into them, literally in the shipping lanes. The British had
learned how impervious these ships were to all of the elements at sea:
Sal****er, ocean wind, and the blistering sun. It was also learned
then that Teak was found to not to splinter when hit by gunfire or
artillery fire. This was a very important issue as splintering wood
was the chief cause of casualties among naval warfare in the
eighteenth century.

Britain was very interested to grow and produce this wood. The British
quickly realized they did not need to grow Teak Wood as they could
annex those countries where the Teak wood was grown and have a
plentiful supply. India, Thailand and Burma were quickly annexed into
the British empire. It is not to say this is why the British took over
these areas, but it certainly helped to give reason. Myanmar (formerly
Burma), which is just south of India, and Yangoon became the first
places where Teak was being harvested for British ships. Calcutta was
set up as another British shipbuilding site. All of the British
merchant ships built in Calcutta were built with Myanmar Teak logs
which were said to be the best. Once the wood was depleted from India,
logs were harvested from Thailand and Burma.

Teak forests were quickly being depleted. Teak was now the preferred
wood used for building ships, Yachts, Ocean liners and furniture.
Under ocean conditions, the wood had very little shrinkage or warpage.
This meant little maintenance. The wood was also impervious to wood
rot and insects, like the mighty woodworm. The famous Ocean liner
“Queen Mary” used no less than 1000 tons of teak when built. The
British quickly realized the depletion that was taking place and
developed a re-forestation plan. They appointed a leader to head this
new bureau and began replanting Teak trees on what are now called Teak
“plantations”. A set of very strict laws were enacted regarding who
can cut Teak Wood and who can purchase it. Once these laws were set in
place, one needed to have permission from the British Government to be
able to cut a Teak Tree down and or export it.

Teak was also being used by the locals for huts, fence posts, and
furniture. India is the third largest importer of Teak today, behind
China and Japan. As much as 80% of India’s timber consumption is Teak.
The wood is used in India today for local consumption; building homes,
furniture, fencing, etc. It is the one wood that can withstand the
monsoons, the blistering heat and the humidity. It is the wood that
all other timber species are compared to.

Teak Wood contains natural oil and Silica (sand) which makes it
impervious to insects, and wood rot. These substances also help it to
maintain it luster for many, many years, but make it a little more
difficult for the manufactures as their blades tend to dull sooner.

When many of the English ships of WWII were taken apart for salvage,
the Teak Wood decks were re-manufactured into outdoor furniture like
park benches. Even today they can be seen in many parts of Europe
still functioning.

Demand for Teak wood

Most of the Teak grown today is grown on Plantations that are governed
by the local governments. The demand for Teak is growing at an
estimated 10% per year. Teak is a heavily regulated (and rightfully
so) commodity, and is sold through the auction process. Teak is not
very easy to get. There are regulatory permits that must be purchased
and other expenses that go along with regulation. For example, once
purchased, it is usually the purchasing companies’ responsibility to
provide transportation if the wood is to be exported and certain
countries have regulations on how many logs can be exported.
Currently, Java, Indonesia is the largest exporter of Teak. There are
several companies that are located in Java that will process and
fashion the Teak into furniture, or planks for flooring or siding, and
then export the finished item or semi finished item to countries
around the world.

Teak grows very rapidly but still takes approx. 50 years to mature.
Many countries are reviewing the possible rotation after 30 or 40
years. This is mainly due to the large demand for Teak. The consensus
with this rotation is that the wood will not be inferior at that rate.
There are some countries that are trying tree rotation after only 25
years. The results are timber that is smaller in diameter, color, and
grain.

So, when add it all up, you get a much better understanding not only
of what the hype about Teak Wood is all about, but the numerous
qualities of Teak Wood and the supply and demand side of Teak Wood.

Many people for generations have been enjoying the warm benefits of
owning Teak Wood products. Outdoor Teak Wood furniture is a Standard
for many families and in many gardens, terraces, patios, verandas,
ships, and yachts around the world. If you are investing in outdoor
furniture, you really owe it to yourself to step into the world of
Teak.

By: Michael Ochoa

Michael Ochoa operates Macs Teak Furniture website at
http://www.macs-teakfurniture.com This website specializes in sales of
Quality Teak Outdoor Patio Furniture and provides free shipping
anywhere in the United States. Make sure to visit Macs Teak Furniture
to learn more about Teak Outdoor Patio Furniture.

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Teamcasa wrote:
[snipperified for brevity]
But then again, anyone who takes medical advise from the wreck needs to
see a doctor anyway!

You crack me up, Dave.....too funny.

I ran my hand once along a freshly sanded 8-foot strip of oak and
proceeded to accordion a sliver into my index-finger bone. Open finger
surgery didn't even get all of the oak out. That forced me to cancel
several gigs as I couldn't even hang onto a pick, much less play my
guitar. Quite a few people were very appreciative of that misfortune.
*wry grin*

r

In article ,
Clifford Heath wrote:
Jay Pique wrote:
Man, maybe I really will see the doc tomorrow.

Do it. Buddy of mine, 100Kg of pure healthy muscle, nearly died
of septicemia (liver failure) after ignoring a cut on his toe
from a rusty nail. No point being too macho about it.

What he said.
A few years ago I was doing some yard work and got a splinter in my
left index finger. Later in the day I noticed it and picked it out. My
finger was slightly swollen but I didn't pay much attention. That
night I woke up with a 103d fever, and my entire left arm was swollen
with discolored veins visible under the skin. Kind of scary, really.
It was treated with antibiotics and pain killers.
--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland

Same thing in modern tank warfare.
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
I don't think any of us are that strong. But a cannon ball will do the
trick. Particularly if shot from point blank range and a direct hit is
accomplished.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
oups.com...

Teamcasa wrote:
[snipperified for brevity]
But then again, anyone who takes medical advise from the wreck needs to
see a doctor anyway!

You crack me up, Dave.....too funny.

I ran my hand once along a freshly sanded 8-foot strip of oak and
proceeded to accordion a sliver into my index-finger bone. Open finger
surgery didn't even get all of the oak out. That forced me to cancel
several gigs as I couldn't even hang onto a pick, much less play my
guitar. Quite a few people were very appreciative of that misfortune.
*wry grin*

r

Many practice one-ups-man-ship here so here's mine Rob -
I was sanding a bamboo flyrod when I was younger - not knowing it had a
small crack.
As I slid my hand down sharply, the sandpaper opened up the crack and a 8"
sliver pierced my lower palm and exited out of the side on my index finger!

As I was home alone I had to cut the sliver from the pole and extract the
sliver by myself! Man did that hurt~ The scar is still in my palm today 40
years later.

Dave



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"Joe Bemier"
First, a little history lesson:
snip other good information:

By: Michael Ochoa
This was a very important issue as splintering wood
was the chief cause of casualties among naval warfare in the
eighteenth century.

All the other information is more or less correct. However, disease killed
more sailors than all of the naval battles. If disease didn't get them,
infections, many from splinters, would also take a large toll. Deaths from
actual battles were the least of their worries.

Dave



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CW wrote:
You're overcomplicating things. A pocket knife is all that's needed. Forget
the rest of the stuff.


Pocket knife? Pshaw!

All you really need is a flat blade screwdriver. Root around in there
for awhile until it comes out the other side. You may not get the
splinter out, but the intense pain and copious bleeding will make you
forget about it.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:31:41 GMT, "CW" wrote:

You're overcomplicating things. A pocket knife is all that's needed. Forget
the rest of the stuff.

Same here. I have a scalpel and a bottle of rubbing alcohol.

wrote in message
roups.com...

You forget: X-Acto knives. A set includes all the blades you need to
do self-surgery. Some 190 proof ethanol (For medicinal purposes), an
alcohol lamp (not a candle- too much soot), and some iodine (I use the
stuff we use to sanitize beer equipment) and you can go to town digging
out even the nastiest splinters.

As a tip- cut opposite the penetration direction. That ensures you
don't split it and push two pieces in further.

While it might be nice to have a shot in the finger to help you deal
with the pain, the pain helps you focus on where it is- where it hurts
is where the splinter is....