On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:09:42 -0500, Greg wrote:

Lew Hodgett said:

Greg G. wrote:

"New from Mitsubishi, the company that brought you Pearl Harbor"


Having dealt with consumer electronics over the years, I was amazed at
the widespread acceptance of the Mitsubishi product name in American
households. They began market penetration with the moniker M.G.A.,
but later switched to their real name - yeah, the same company that
built suicide bomber aero-planes.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Yep.

Names like Krupp, Mercedes, BASF mean anything?

Of course.

All were part of the German war machine.

Hitler was a patron of Bush's grandfather.

All are important suppliers in today's global economy.

Our friends and allies of 60 years ago are not necessarily the same as
those today.

Of course, I said I was amazed at _others_ acceptance, not peeved
personally. Some Americans tend to hold quite a grudge...

Heck, I still meet a Southerner or two that resents the North for the
Civil War... :-o


Greg G.

Still quite a few that haven't figured out that the North won... *g*


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

"mac davis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:24:54 -0500, Greg wrote:

mac davis said:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:24:21 GMT, "Charles Self"

wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
hlink.net...
It is 64 years today, since 12/07/41, "a day that shall live in
infamy"
per FDR.

Least we not forget.


I think we've pretty near forgotten. One two line, half column blurb
under
"Things On This Date In History" was it in the major local paper.

Some of these young history teachers should be put on a plane to Hawaii
and
then made to stand for a half day or so on the Arizona Memorial. The
rest of
the day at the Punch Bowl.


If it makes ya feel any better, Charlie, the front page of our local
paper had
pictures and articles about the local celebration and showed a shot of a
Pearl
Harbor survivor reading the names of local folks who died in the attack,
while
another P. H. vet rand the bell..


"New from Mitsubishi, the company that brought you Pearl Harbor"

Having dealt with consumer electronics over the years, I was amazed at
the widespread acceptance of the Mitsubishi product name in American
households. They began market penetration with the moniker M.G.A.,
but later switched to their real name - yeah, the same company that
built suicide bomber aero-planes.

I thought at first it was perhaps a guilt thing over the dropping of
the 3 "bombs", but have now decided it's just lack of historical
perspective and general stupidity. If the Taliban started building
cheap cars to finance terrorist attacks, some idiot dealer over here
would stock a boatload of them, and consumers would buy them.

Everyone I knew that fought in WWII - the big one - has long since
fled yuppie-town, and left me here to content with this latest breed
of insular idiots.

And since I neglected to mention it, _Thank You_ to all who suffered
through one of the goriest wars in History, against foes that defined
the oft bandied about phrase "Axis of Evil". One moments hesitation
or doubt on the part of any of the Allied Troops could have resulted
in a totally different outcome... Hitler was working _very_ hard to
acquire true "weapons of mass destruction". These brave soldier's
sacrifices are the reason I can sit here and bitch about the current
crop of idiot head-in-the-sand politicians without being hauled off to
a hidden concentration camp and tortured.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Greg... remember (if you're old enough) when Nissin got brave enough to
stop
hiding behind the name "Datsun"?


Hell, that was just a few years ago. I took note of a story today that
Israel is buying *more* Dolphin subs from Germany. Intended use is to blast
the Iranians before the Iranians can do the job on Tel Aviv, and the irony
comes from realizing that the Iranian leader is now saying he doubts the
Holocaust ever happened, while, of course, the Germans were the creators of
the Holocaust.

"mac davis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:09:42 -0500, Greg wrote:

Lew Hodgett said:

Greg G. wrote:

"New from Mitsubishi, the company that brought you Pearl Harbor"


Having dealt with consumer electronics over the years, I was amazed at
the widespread acceptance of the Mitsubishi product name in American
households. They began market penetration with the moniker M.G.A.,
but later switched to their real name - yeah, the same company that
built suicide bomber aero-planes.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Yep.

Names like Krupp, Mercedes, BASF mean anything?

Of course.

All were part of the German war machine.

Hitler was a patron of Bush's grandfather.

All are important suppliers in today's global economy.

Our friends and allies of 60 years ago are not necessarily the same as
those today.

Of course, I said I was amazed at _others_ acceptance, not peeved
personally. Some Americans tend to hold quite a grudge...

Heck, I still meet a Southerner or two that resents the North for the
Civil War... :-o


Greg G.

Still quite a few that haven't figured out that the North won... *g*


Yeah they have. That's why they're still ****ed.

Greg G. wrote:

snip

And I'm still amazed at the people who aren't aware that it was the
Russian Army that marched into Berlin the day Hitler committed
suicide, not the USA.


Greg G.

Even more amazing, those who believe the atomic bombs convinced Japan to
surrender. Actually it was fear of the Russians, free to devote their
might eastward after VE.

Greg G. wrote:

I thought at first it was perhaps a guilt thing over the dropping of
the 3 "bombs",

snip

Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and ????

KaiS. (in ) said:

| Greg G. wrote:
||
|| I thought at first it was perhaps a guilt thing over the dropping
|| of the 3 "bombs",
|
| snip
|
| Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and ????

White Sands, New Mexico (although that bomb wasn't dropped.)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

Charles Self wrote:

snip

Hell, that was just a few years ago. I took note of a story today that
Israel is buying *more* Dolphin subs from Germany.


Well they can't buy them from us. The US Navy gave up our diesel sub
program decades ago. That leaves Germany, or Russia. The latter's
Kilo's are formidable opponents; state of the art weapons and
electronics, and nearly a week of battery life. And how much noise does
one large electric motor make as opposed to the multiple steam turbines,
as well as all the pumps needed to run the zoomy mill on a nuke.

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:00:26 GMT, "Dave Jackson"
wrote:

Here's to you Uncle Gus. --dave

And here's to Uncle Gus'es everywhere. The display case is a nice
idea, Dave, and thanks for sharing the story.

Ricky

"KaiS." wrote in message
et...
Charles Self wrote:

snip

Hell, that was just a few years ago. I took note of a story today that
Israel is buying *more* Dolphin subs from Germany.


Well they can't buy them from us. The US Navy gave up our diesel sub
program decades ago. That leaves Germany, or Russia.

(snip)

We (Oz) make/are making/have made Collins class submarines as well.
After a rocky start they seem to have ironed out some of the bugs. In
exercises off Hawaii with a US nuke alternating playing hunter and hunted
they hit as often as they were hit.

http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/submarine.html


Mekon
Mekon

Followups set too: alt.current-events.iraq
Greg G. wrote:

... Having a half-life
of about 4.5 million years, the use of DU rounds has resulted in a
minimum 400% increase in bizarre birth defects in Iraqi civilians, and
an estimated 65% rate of birth defects among exposed Gulf War
Veterans. ...

I'd like to see where these rates were estimated. How did
you find them?

--

FF

I lost family on that day. You may have too. It's a shame they had to die to
wake up FDR to the realities of the world.

Yet you fail to see the similarities...

Damned shame that your attitude, if continually prevelant, will kill many
more American servicemen.

Not to mention the fact that more died on 9/11/01 than died on 12/7/41.


"Charles Self" wrote in message
news
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
k.net...
It is 64 years today, since 12/07/41, "a day that shall live in infamy"
per FDR.

Least we not forget.


I think we've pretty near forgotten. One two line, half column blurb under
"Things On This Date In History" was it in the major local paper.

Some of these young history teachers should be put on a plane to Hawaii
and then made to stand for a half day or so on the Arizona Memorial. The
rest of the day at the Punch Bowl.

Words don't mean **** to those guys..


Best you not lose would make them feel much much better....

Quit kissing the enemy and kill him. Just ask them.......





"Charles Self" wrote in message
...
"Mike in Arkansas" wrote in message
oups.com...
Many fine responses. And, not to put too fine a point on it, but
shouldn't it be "Least we forget". Seems to me 'least we not forget'
is a double negative saying we should forget. Kind of like 'I ain't
got none".


Probably "lest we forget" would be the best.

Amen..

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
KENDALL SEYBERT (in dt1mf.5905$Yh2.5326@trndny01) said:

| Amen, guys; there were once giants on the earth, and they were of
| that generation. My father was drafted in '39 and was in it until
| '45; those men and women literally did the impossible. I wonder if
| our present generation would have the fortitude....

I don't think I'd be taking anything away from the vets of any
previous generation if I said that there are still those kinds of
giants.

It's just that as we've gotten older, those giants have come to look
more and more like our kids.

The world has changed - idealism, determination, and courage have not.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

The Iraqi's are ****ed off over DU? At who?


No, Lil' Greggie is.

Neat facts. None of which even have any test results to prove them except
Google.

405 tons....You cite several countries and conflicts, mostly of the Clinton
era. 395 tons in Iraq...When? Before or after 1993? Or is this just another
Google disinformation instance. Cite your sources and then folks can judge
the validity of the research.

Why didn't we see an increase in those health effects in those other
countries that you stated?

Exactly what was stated as fact that you responded to. Rokke? Has anyone
looked into his agenda? How long has DU actually been deployed and by whom?

Some of you little happy hearts are going to be sadly disappointed in the
near future of this country. The fact that many are getting sick of hearing
about your media mixing the truth all the time. All your hand wringing is
coming back to haunt you. Your statements are in writing.

For someone like you to extole the bravery and determination of those that
do the job is laughable. You put conditions of allowed and equipped. You, I
hope are referring to previous administrations that removed their ability to
do so.

No, you are not.

You are just another little pussy that can't handle the fact that again , we
as the United States of America, need to sacrifice American lives to protect
the future of the world for those that seek freedom.

**** on you!



"Greg G." wrote in message
...
Leon said:

Absolutely, today's generation could do it IF the government bureaucracy
and
tree huggers would let them do their job.

Uh... Tree Huggers? No to be difficult Leon, but what on earth do
environmentalists have to do with war?! g

Stealth OT

If anything, the "Tree Huggers" have been amazingly quiet about the
405 tons of depleted uranium projectiles we have sprayed on Iraq and
Serbia/Kosovo/ Yugoslavia over the past 15 years. Having a half-life
of about 4.5 million years, the use of DU rounds has resulted in a
minimum 400% increase in bizarre birth defects in Iraqi civilians, and
an estimated 65% rate of birth defects among exposed Gulf War
Veterans. Even the Pentagon's director of the DU project, Doug Rokke,
resigned over the use of DU as a military weapon, stating that its use
was a crime against humanity. This is one reason some Iraqis are so
****ed off, the other being that many are fanatical lunatics - Gee, I
wonder why? We've dumped about 395 tons of this stuff on Iraq alone.

This doesn't, however, detract from the bravery and determination of
those who do the job they are ordered to perform - when they are
allowed, and equipped, to do it. The Bureaucracy remains the problem.

-------------
Depleted uranium (DU) or uranium-238 is made from uranium hexaflouride
which is the non-fissionable by-product of the uranium enrichment
process used to obtain uranium-235 for reactor fuel and nuclear bombs.

Depleted Uranium projectiles are used as tank and bunker piercing
rounds due to their super-high density and ability to cut through
armoured objects like warmed butter..
-------------

So, shoot the messenger...

FWIW,

Greg G.

"Schuster" wrote in message
. ..
The Iraqi's are ****ed off over DU? At who?


No, Lil' Greggie is.

Neat facts. None of which even have any test results to prove them except
Google.

405 tons....You cite several countries and conflicts, mostly of the
Clinton era. 395 tons in Iraq...When? Before or after 1993? Or is this
just another Google disinformation instance. Cite your sources and then
folks can judge the validity of the research.

Why didn't we see an increase in those health effects in those other
countries that you stated?

Exactly what was stated as fact that you responded to. Rokke? Has anyone
looked into his agenda? How long has DU actually been deployed and by
whom?

Some of you little happy hearts are going to be sadly disappointed in the
near future of this country. The fact that many are getting sick of
hearing about your media mixing the truth all the time. All your hand
wringing is coming back to haunt you. Your statements are in writing.

For someone like you to extole the bravery and determination of those that
do the job is laughable. You put conditions of allowed and equipped. You,
I hope are referring to previous administrations that removed their
ability to do so.

No, you are not.

You are just another little pussy that can't handle the fact that again ,
we as the United States of America, need to sacrifice American lives to
protect the future of the world for those that seek freedom.

**** on you!


Slipping right back into your role, eh?

"KaiS." wrote in message
. net...

Even more amazing, those who believe the atomic bombs convinced Japan to
surrender. Actually it was fear of the Russians, free to devote their
might eastward after VE.

I see you've been reading the Soviet version of History.

Pig wrote:
snip

I'll shut up now.

Mutt

Thank you.

Glen

mac davis wrote:
snip


Still quite a few that haven't figured out that the North won... *g*


mac

Won, hell. We have just retreated a bit to lull the damn Yankees into a
false sense of security while we regroup and plan the counter attack!

;-)
Glen

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:48:17 -0800, Schuster wrote:

Some of you little happy hearts are going to be sadly disappointed in the
near future of this country.

I'm already disappointed. Mostly at folks like you. If King Geoge,
Ayatollah Ashcroft, and Reichsfuhrer Rumsfeldt get their way, you'll be in
heaven and the rest of us will be in concentration camps.

Yes, I'm resorting to hyperbole. That appears to be your favorite
language.

Mekon wrote:
"KaiS." wrote in message
et...

Charles Self wrote:

snip

Hell, that was just a few years ago. I took note of a story today that
Israel is buying *more* Dolphin subs from Germany.


Well they can't buy them from us. The US Navy gave up our diesel sub
program decades ago. That leaves Germany, or Russia.


(snip)

We (Oz) make/are making/have made Collins class submarines as well.
After a rocky start they seem to have ironed out some of the bugs. In
exercises off Hawaii with a US nuke alternating playing hunter and hunted
they hit as often as they were hit.

http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/submarine.html


Mekon
Mekon


Cool.

I guess there were a few of us. No one wanted to play net cop.

"Greg G." wrote in message
...
Mike in Arkansas said:

Many fine responses. And, not to put too fine a point on it, but
shouldn't it be "Least we forget". Seems to me 'least we not forget'
is a double negative saying we should forget. Kind of like 'I ain't
got none".

Noticed that as well - but didn't want to make an issue of it... g


Greg G.