I am trying to color match some cabinet doors I bought, I bought 200 kitchen
doors they are the American woodcrafter "Maple Spice" finish. I went to Home
Depot and had them order the stain its a 2 part stain, ($38.00 for 2 pints)
it seems to be laquer based. Anyhow it doesn't match even close. I can come
some what close with an oil based minwax but still not what I am looking
for.

I have never used the waterbased stains but minwax looks to have a good
selection of mixes and some of the colors look very close to what I am
looking for. How well do the water based stains work ( I will be using
maple) All I need to stain is the outer cabinet frames and some end
cabinets. Minwax has a good amount of info but thats there sight.

Hi Wayne,
I think you will find that the maple will blotch somewhat when you wipe it on.
I have found that if I spray it on and do not wipe blotching is minimized.
Better yet I often spray a coat of clear stain first to seal the wood and then
apply the coloured product. The latter gives great results. However, I have not
tried it on Minwax products as I use Fuhr WB products but I see no reason why it
would be different.. Obviously practice on some scrap first. Good Luck, JG

wayne mak wrote:

I am trying to color match some cabinet doors I bought, I bought 200 kitchen
doors they are the American woodcrafter "Maple Spice" finish. I went to Home
Depot and had them order the stain its a 2 part stain, ($38.00 for 2 pints)
it seems to be laquer based. Anyhow it doesn't match even close. I can come
some what close with an oil based minwax but still not what I am looking
for.

I have never used the waterbased stains but minwax looks to have a good
selection of mixes and some of the colors look very close to what I am
looking for. How well do the water based stains work ( I will be using
maple) All I need to stain is the outer cabinet frames and some end
cabinets. Minwax has a good amount of info but thats there sight.

I've used TransTint dyes in WB finishes several times. Very versatile
in several liquids. I got mine from www.homesteadfinishing.com where
there are several active forums.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:14:21 -0500, "wayne mak"
wrote:

I am trying to color match some cabinet doors I bought, I bought 200 kitchen
doors they are the American woodcrafter "Maple Spice" finish. I went to Home
Depot and had them order the stain its a 2 part stain, ($38.00 for 2 pints)
it seems to be laquer based. Anyhow it doesn't match even close. I can come
some what close with an oil based minwax but still not what I am looking
for.

I have never used the waterbased stains but minwax looks to have a good
selection of mixes and some of the colors look very close to what I am
looking for. How well do the water based stains work ( I will be using
maple) All I need to stain is the outer cabinet frames and some end
cabinets. Minwax has a good amount of info but thats there sight.

I went down to the local true value store and we mixed a color came home it
needed a bit more red, went back they added some red and it looks good. If
you pretreat the wood it stains VERY even. I looks far better than I have
ever done with oil based. I an VERY happy with the results. After it dries
it can still be polyed with oil based.
"nospambob" wrote in message
...
I've used TransTint dyes in WB finishes several times. Very versatile
in several liquids. I got mine from www.homesteadfinishing.com where
there are several active forums.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:14:21 -0500, "wayne mak"
wrote:

I am trying to color match some cabinet doors I bought, I bought 200
kitchen
doors they are the American woodcrafter "Maple Spice" finish. I went to
Home
Depot and had them order the stain its a 2 part stain, ($38.00 for 2
pints)
it seems to be laquer based. Anyhow it doesn't match even close. I can
come
some what close with an oil based minwax but still not what I am looking
for.

I have never used the waterbased stains but minwax looks to have a good
selection of mixes and some of the colors look very close to what I am
looking for. How well do the water based stains work ( I will be using
maple) All I need to stain is the outer cabinet frames and some end
cabinets. Minwax has a good amount of info but thats there sight.

You CAN accomplish the same thing at home with primary colors of dye.
Too red mix a little green, the complement of red, too yellow add a
little purple, complement of yellow. Besides, price of gas is still
too high!

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:48:32 -0500, "wayne mak"
wrote:

I went down to the local true value store and we mixed a color came home it
needed a bit more red, went back they added some red and it looks good. If
you pretreat the wood it stains VERY even. I looks far better than I have
ever done with oil based. I an VERY happy with the results. After it dries
it can still be polyed with oil based.
"nospambob" wrote in message
.. .
I've used TransTint dyes in WB finishes several times. Very versatile
in several liquids. I got mine from www.homesteadfinishing.com where
there are several active forums.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:14:21 -0500, "wayne mak"
wrote:

I am trying to color match some cabinet doors I bought, I bought 200
kitchen
doors they are the American woodcrafter "Maple Spice" finish. I went to
Home
Depot and had them order the stain its a 2 part stain, ($38.00 for 2
pints)
it seems to be laquer based. Anyhow it doesn't match even close. I can
come
some what close with an oil based minwax but still not what I am looking
for.

I have never used the waterbased stains but minwax looks to have a good
selection of mixes and some of the colors look very close to what I am
looking for. How well do the water based stains work ( I will be using
maple) All I need to stain is the outer cabinet frames and some end
cabinets. Minwax has a good amount of info but thats there sight.

I just bought some of this Minwax water based stain - blue. I purchased
also the water based wood conditioner. Used both on a project made with
poplar. I was not very please with the results. The stain was hard to work
with, and did not appear to be evenly absorbed. It came out with dark
blotches, and in some spots was only lightly absorbed (not at joints from
glue - I was careful to tape off joints and clean up and sand any squeeze
out)..

Maybe it was the wood species, maybe it was me. I thought poplar was known
to take colors and stain well. (Disclaimer: I'm relatively new to this -
about 8 years.) I sanded all surfaces to 220 before applicaation of the
wood conditioner & stain. After the conditioner, I sanded lightly (per the
directions) with 220 to a smooth satin-like surface.

Just my $.02 - I won't use water based stain again, and will look for
alternatives to Minwax.

Nick B


"wayne mak" wrote in message
...
I am trying to color match some cabinet doors I bought, I bought 200
kitchen doors they are the American woodcrafter "Maple Spice" finish. I
went to Home Depot and had them order the stain its a 2 part stain, ($38.00
for 2 pints) it seems to be laquer based. Anyhow it doesn't match even
close. I can come some what close with an oil based minwax but still not
what I am looking for.

I have never used the waterbased stains but minwax looks to have a good
selection of mixes and some of the colors look very close to what I am
looking for. How well do the water based stains work ( I will be using
maple) All I need to stain is the outer cabinet frames and some end
cabinets. Minwax has a good amount of info but thats there sight.

"Nick Bozovich" wrote in message
.. .

Maybe it was the wood species, maybe it was me. I thought poplar was
known to take colors and stain well. (Disclaimer: I'm relatively new to
this - about 8 years.) I sanded all surfaces to 220 before applicaation
of the wood conditioner & stain. After the conditioner, I sanded lightly
(per the directions) with 220 to a smooth satin-like surface.

You might have actually had poplar, as in one of the many trees in the
Populus genus. They're known for twisting grain, which gives many different
looks on the same surface.

Yellow-Poplar or Tulip-Poplar, which isn't a poplar at all, is more
consistent.

Water-based stains and their cousins the dyes demand a firm full stroke and
minimum overlap, however. Wood has a great affinity for water, much less
for oil, which is why you get better spread and bend.

On 11/24/2005 6:59 AM George mumbled something about the following:
"Nick Bozovich" wrote in message
.. .


Maybe it was the wood species, maybe it was me. I thought poplar was
known to take colors and stain well. (Disclaimer: I'm relatively new to
this - about 8 years.) I sanded all surfaces to 220 before applicaation
of the wood conditioner & stain. After the conditioner, I sanded lightly
(per the directions) with 220 to a smooth satin-like surface.


You might have actually had poplar, as in one of the many trees in the
Populus genus. They're known for twisting grain, which gives many different
looks on the same surface.

Yellow-Poplar or Tulip-Poplar, which isn't a poplar at all, is more
consistent.

Water-based stains and their cousins the dyes demand a firm full stroke and
minimum overlap, however. Wood has a great affinity for water, much less
for oil, which is why you get better spread and bend.


Just for the curious. Yellow Poplar (or Tulip Poplar as it is sometimes
known) is a member of the Magnolia family and grow taller than any other
hardwood in the US reaching as tall as 150 ft.

Trees that are from the Populus genus are Aspen, Cottonwood, Lombardy
Poplar, Grey Poplar and White (sometimes called Silver) Poplar.

Now, I've never known Aspen or Cottonwood to have twisted grain
(chopsticks are typically made of Aspen), but I've never worked with any
of the others.

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rot13 to reply

"Odinn" wrote in message
...

Now, I've never known Aspen or Cottonwood to have twisted grain
(chopsticks are typically made of Aspen), but I've never worked with any
of the others.


You've lived a sheltered life. Try splitting a few pieces for kindling and
reconsider.

The interlocked long grain on aspen is what makes it the preferred wood for
matchsticks. It hangs together rather than dropping the flaming end. It
or Balsam were also the preferred woods for cart bottoms and stoneboats,
because you could toss fieldstone in and it would only dent, not split.

Nice stuff

TransTint dyes from Jeff Jewitt can be mixed with several solutions
like water, alcohol, etc. I use them to mix with a finish then spray
on as a toner. Jeff often suggests spraying dye on bare wood that is
prone to blotch. Visit the forums at www.homesteadfinishing.com and
use the "search" option. Believe he describes application methods
also.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:26:32 -0500, "Nick Bozovich"
wrote:

I just bought some of this Minwax water based stain - blue. I purchased
also the water based wood conditioner. Used both on a project made with
poplar. I was not very please with the results. The stain was hard to work
with, and did not appear to be evenly absorbed. It came out with dark
blotches, and in some spots was only lightly absorbed (not at joints from
glue - I was careful to tape off joints and clean up and sand any squeeze
out)..

Maybe it was the wood species, maybe it was me. I thought poplar was known
to take colors and stain well. (Disclaimer: I'm relatively new to this -
about 8 years.) I sanded all surfaces to 220 before applicaation of the
wood conditioner & stain. After the conditioner, I sanded lightly (per the
directions) with 220 to a smooth satin-like surface.

Just my $.02 - I won't use water based stain again, and will look for
alternatives to Minwax.

Nick B


"wayne mak" wrote in message
...
I am trying to color match some cabinet doors I bought, I bought 200
kitchen doors they are the American woodcrafter "Maple Spice" finish. I
went to Home Depot and had them order the stain its a 2 part stain, ($38.00
for 2 pints) it seems to be laquer based. Anyhow it doesn't match even
close. I can come some what close with an oil based minwax but still not
what I am looking for.

I have never used the waterbased stains but minwax looks to have a good
selection of mixes and some of the colors look very close to what I am
looking for. How well do the water based stains work ( I will be using
maple) All I need to stain is the outer cabinet frames and some end
cabinets. Minwax has a good amount of info but thats there sight.

Wayne,
I also like the transTint water based dye stuff. I have never like the
premixed water based stains from the big box stores. A 1/2 to 1 pound
cut of (super blonde) shellac also is a great sealer and helps prevent
blotching. Also, minwax oil gel stains are great in preventing
blotching.
I have used spray toning as well where I mixed up some water based dye
on the wood. I had an antique table with mahogany top and low quality
maple legs. Couldn't get the legs stripped well enough (of lacquer), so
I just spray toned with a dark walnut stain until I got the tone I
wanted worked great, looked great. Spray toning can cover up grain
tho.
Hope that helps,
MBR

On 11/24/2005 8:29 AM George mumbled something about the following:
"Odinn" wrote in message
...

Now, I've never known Aspen or Cottonwood to have twisted grain
(chopsticks are typically made of Aspen), but I've never worked with any
of the others.



You've lived a sheltered life. Try splitting a few pieces for kindling and
reconsider.

The interlocked long grain on aspen is what makes it the preferred wood for
matchsticks. It hangs together rather than dropping the flaming end. It
or Balsam were also the preferred woods for cart bottoms and stoneboats,
because you could toss fieldstone in and it would only dent, not split.

Nice stuff



I have no desire to split any more kindlin, did enough of that when I
was a youngster. We only used pine for kindlin and oak to actually
burn. Nowadays I use those starter logs instead. Since I've never
lived in the NE, I've had very little actual contact with Aspen, so,
yes, I guess I've had a sheltered life.

Now, according to
http://www.hardwoodinfo.com/species_...?species=aspen
it is straight grained, and that's what my limited experience with it
has been.

--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org

rot13 to reply

On 11/24/2005 9:58 PM Odinn mumbled something about the following:
On 11/24/2005 8:29 AM George mumbled something about the following:

"Odinn" wrote in message
...

Now, I've never known Aspen or Cottonwood to have twisted grain
(chopsticks are typically made of Aspen), but I've never worked with
any of the others.



You've lived a sheltered life. Try splitting a few pieces for
kindling and reconsider.

The interlocked long grain on aspen is what makes it the preferred
wood for matchsticks. It hangs together rather than dropping the
flaming end. It or Balsam were also the preferred woods for cart
bottoms and stoneboats, because you could toss fieldstone in and it
would only dent, not split.

Nice stuff


I have no desire to split any more kindlin, did enough of that when I
was a youngster. We only used pine for kindlin and oak to actually
burn. Nowadays I use those starter logs instead. Since I've never
lived in the NE, I've had very little actual contact with Aspen, so,
yes, I guess I've had a sheltered life.

Now, according to
http://www.hardwoodinfo.com/species_...?species=aspen
it is straight grained, and that's what my limited experience with it
has been.


Oh yeah, when I think of twisted grain, I think of something like
sweetgum. Can't split that stuff no matter how aged it is.

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