MINDSET LIST® FOR THE CLASS OF 2009

Shamelessly stolen from:
http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/releases/mindset_2009.htm

Most students entering college this fall were born in 1987.

1. Andy Warhol, Liberace, Jackie Gleason, and Lee Marvin have always been
dead.
2. They don't remember when "cut and paste" involved scissors.
3. Heart-lung transplants have always been possible.
4. Wayne Gretzky never played for Edmonton.
5. Boston has been working on "The Big Dig" all their lives.
6. With little need to practice, most of them do not know how to tie a tie.
7. Pay-Per-View television has always been an option.
8. They never had the fun of being thrown into the back of a station wagon
with six others.
9. Iran and Iraq have never been at war with each other.
10. They are more familiar with Greg Gumbel than with Bryant Gumbel.
11. Philip Morris has always owned Kraft Foods.
12. Al-Qaida has always existed with Osama bin Laden at its head.
13. They learned to count with Lotus 1-2-3.
14. Car stereos have always rivaled home component systems.
15. Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker have never preached on television.
16. Voice mail has always been available.
17. "Whatever" is not part of a question but an expression of sullen rebuke.
18. The federal budget has always been more than a trillion dollars.
19. Condoms have always been advertised on television.
20.They may have fallen asleep playing with their Gameboys in the crib.
21. They have always had the right to burn the flag.
22. For daily caffeine emergencies, Starbucks has always been around the
corner.
23. Ferdinand Marcos has never been in charge of the Philippines.
24. Money put in their savings account the year they were born earned almost
7% interest.
25. Bill Gates has always been worth at least a billion dollars.
26. Dirty dancing has always been acceptable.
27. Southern fried chicken, prepared with a blend of 11 herbs and spices,
has always been available in China.
28. Michael Jackson has always been bad, and greed has always been good.
29. The Starship Enterprise has always looked dated.
30. Pixar has always existed.
31.There has never been a "fairness doctrine" at the FCC.
32. Judicial appointments routinely have been "Borked."
33. Aretha Franklin has always been in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
34. There have always been zebra mussels in the Great Lakes.
35. Police have always been able to search garbage without a search warrant.
36. It has always been possible to walk from England to mainland Europe on
dry land.
37. They have grown up in a single superpower world.
38. They missed the oat bran diet craze.
39. American Motors has never existed.
40. Scientists have always been able to see supernovas.
41. Les Miserables has always been on stage.
42. Halogen lights have always been available at home, with a warning.
43. "Baby M" may be a classmate, and contracts with surrogate mothers have
always been legal.
44. RU486, the "morning after pill," has always been on the market.
45. There has always been a pyramid in front of the Louvre in Paris.
46. British Airways has always been privately owned.
47. Irradiated food has always been available but controversial.
48. Snowboarding has always been a popular winter pastime.
49. Libraries have always been the best centers for computer technology and
access to good software.
50. Biosphere 2 has always been trying to create a revolution in the life
sciences.
51. The Hubble Telescope has always been focused on new frontiers.
52. Researchers have always been looking for stem cells.
53. They do not remember "a kinder and gentler nation."
54. They never saw the shuttle Challenger fly.
55. The TV networks have always had cable partners.
56. Airports have always had upscale shops and restaurants.
57. Black Americans have always been known as African-Americans.
58. They never saw Pat Sajak or Arsenio Hall host a late night television
show.
59. Matt Groening has always had a Life in Hell.
60. Salman Rushdie has always been watching over his shoulder.
61. Digital cameras have always existed.
62. Tom Landry never coached the Cowboys.
63. Time Life and Warner Communications have always been joined.
64. CNBC has always been on the air.
65. The Field of Dreams has always been drawing people to Iowa.
66. They never saw a Howard Johnson's with 28 ice cream flavors.
67. Reindeer at Christmas have always distinguished between secular and
religious decorations.
68. Entertainment Weekly has always been on the newsstand.
69. Lyme Disease has always been a ticking concern in the woods.
70. Jimmy Carter has always been an elder statesman.
71. Miss Piggy and Kermit have always dwelt in Disneyland.
72. America's Funniest Home Videos has always been on television.
73. Their nervous new parents heard C. Everett Koop proclaim nicotine as
addictive as heroin.
74. Lever has always been looking for 2000 parts to clean.
75. They have always been challenged to distinguish between news and
entertainment on cable TV.

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

Joe AutoDrill wrote:
MINDSET LIST=AE FOR THE CLASS OF 2009

Shamelessly stolen from:
http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/releases/mindset_2009.htm

Most students entering college this fall were born in 1987.

39. American Motors has never existed.

Yeah. I went to a classic car cruise-in last Friday evening, and
someone brought an AMX. One young guy--20s?--couldn't explain to his
5-6-7 year old what AMX was, or who made it.

Good thing the guy who owns a Cord didn't have that there.

Yeah. I went to a classic car cruise-in last Friday evening, and
someone brought an AMX. One young guy--20s?--couldn't explain to his
5-6-7 year old what AMX was, or who made it.

Good thing the guy who owns a Cord didn't have that there.

I owned a 1960 Humber Super Snipe... Would love to see just about anyone in
my country explain that one...
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R

Joe AutoDrill wrote:
Yeah. I went to a classic car cruise-in last Friday evening, and
someone brought an AMX. One young guy--20s?--couldn't explain to his
5-6-7 year old what AMX was, or who made it.

Good thing the guy who owns a Cord didn't have that there.

I owned a 1960 Humber Super Snipe... Would love to see just about anyone in
my country explain that one...
--

http://www.motorfestival.co.uk/humbers2.htm

For the generation that thinks Auburn is just a football team that one
might help.

I've been complaining about this list all day to anybody who would
listen, so hear goes:

I've seen this in previous years, and it always drives me nuts ... I
think the idea is, "What can you reasonably expect from people who have
experienced so little?" But I think you *can* reasonably expect them to
know something about history. I know WW II happened, though I wasn't
around for it. Not having lived through it (or anything--pick your
historical event or cultural phenomenon) is no excuse.

And what definition of "always" means nothing more than "since I was
born"? Glenn Miller hasn't "always" been dead, though he died before I
was born. To say "Heart transplants have always been possible" is just
plain silly.

That said, this is a pretty sobering list ... not because of what this
year's freshmen (excuse me, "first-year students") don't know, but
because it makes me feel old (as does having written this grumpy email,
come to think of it!).

Jim
beginning woodworker, advanced-beginning English professor

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MINDSET LIST® FOR THE CLASS OF 2009

Shamelessly stolen from:
http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/releases/mindset_2009.htm

Most students entering college this fall were born in 1987.

1. Andy Warhol, Liberace, Jackie Gleason, and Lee Marvin have always
been dead.
2. They don't remember when "cut and paste" involved scissors.
3. Heart-lung transplants have always been possible.
4. Wayne Gretzky never played for Edmonton.
5. Boston has been working on "The Big Dig" all their lives.
[snip]

A few other things children born in 87 likely don't know about:

Respect
Manners
Discipline
Pride

and the list goes on.....

There are parents today that should be ashamed of the way they are
raising their children. They're too worried about being "Buddies" to
be a parent.


Charlie Self wrote:
Joe AutoDrill wrote:
Yeah. I went to a classic car cruise-in last Friday evening, and
someone brought an AMX. One young guy--20s?--couldn't explain to his
5-6-7 year old what AMX was, or who made it.

Good thing the guy who owns a Cord didn't have that there.

I owned a 1960 Humber Super Snipe... Would love to see just about anyone in
my country explain that one...
--

http://www.motorfestival.co.uk/humbers2.htm

For the generation that thinks Auburn is just a football team that one
might help.

J Brown wrote:

I've been complaining about this list all day to anybody who would
listen, so hear goes:

I've seen this in previous years, and it always drives me nuts ... I
think the idea is, "What can you reasonably expect from people who have
experienced so little?" But I think you *can* reasonably expect them to
know something about history. I know WW II happened, though I wasn't
around for it. Not having lived through it (or anything--pick your
historical event or cultural phenomenon) is no excuse.

And what definition of "always" means nothing more than "since I was
born"? Glenn Miller hasn't "always" been dead, though he died before I
was born. To say "Heart transplants have always been possible" is just
plain silly.

That said, this is a pretty sobering list ... not because of what this
year's freshmen (excuse me, "first-year students") don't know, but
because it makes me feel old (as does having written this grumpy email,
come to think of it!).

Jim
beginning woodworker, advanced-beginning English professor


[snip]
Ah. Zen and the use of the English Language. Your grump does strike a
chord. I have always been one of those cranks who tries to nudge others
into a correct (my judgement) usage of the language. My father, for
example, taught me that "you can be hung or you can be hanged; one is
good, the other is bad".
humph,
jo4hn

In article ,
J Brown wrote:
I've been complaining about this list all day to anybody who would
listen, so hear goes:

I've seen this in previous years, and it always drives me nuts ... I
think the idea is, "What can you reasonably expect from people who have
experienced so little?" But I think you *can* reasonably expect them to
know something about history. I know WW II happened, though I wasn't
around for it. Not having lived through it (or anything--pick your
historical event or cultural phenomenon) is no excuse.

You *misunderstand* the list. It is _not_ about what they "know" (it is
_not_ produced by polling/surveying the incoming class). It is an 'elder
statesman's declaration' about what the incoming class have/have not EXPERIENCED.

Example: "knowing about" the Great Depression is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT thing
from having _lived_through_ it. One who did not experience those conditions
(a la "The Grapes of Wrath"), simply cannot understand the mind-set of those
who have lived through the uncertainties of not knowing _IF_ there will be any
food on the table today.


And what definition of "always" means nothing more than "since I was
born"? Glenn Miller hasn't "always" been dead, though he died before I
was born. To say "Heart transplants have always been possible" is just
plain silly.

Nit-picking -- you need to read the intro to the list, that Beloit U.
publishes.

In terms of the "life-experience" of the incoming class, the "absolutes"
you are complaining about _are_ 'accurate'/'valid'.

Heart transplants are _not_ a 'miracle' to someone who was born into a world
where they *are* routinely performed. They are a 'normal' part of life
for that person. They have *no*comprehension* of -- they _cannot_ feel
the 'awe' (or whatever) that accompanied the announcement of the Dr. Brainards
_first_success_.

That said, this is a pretty sobering list ... not because of what this
year's freshmen (excuse me, "first-year students") don't know, but
because it makes me feel old (as does having written this grumpy email,
come to think of it!).

Repeating: it's not about what they "know"/"don't know". it's about what
they have or have _not_ "experienced".

Do you *REMEMBER* the JFK assassination, and the subsequent funeral
proceedings? Do you _remember_ the "feel" of those several days?
(If you're younger than about 50, you *don't*.

"Academic knowledge" -- from reading histories, etc. -- cannot convey that
emotional impact. One _is_, simply, 'too far removed in time', from the
actual event.

"Academic knowledge" -- from reading histories, etc. -- cannot convey
that emotional impact.

Or, as Tom Petty said quite succinctly:

"It's one of those things
You gotta feel to be true"

Unless you experienced it, it's hard to profoundly understand it. I
believe that's why giving someone advice so rarely works... until they
experience it for themselves, it's not "true".

--jeff

"jo4hn" wrote in message
...
J Brown wrote:

I've been complaining about this list all day to anybody who would
listen, so hear goes: I've seen this in previous years, and it always
drives me nuts ... I think the idea is, "What can you reasonably expect
from people who have experienced so little?" But I think you *can*
reasonably expect them to know something about history. I know WW II
happened, though I wasn't around for it. Not having lived through it (or
anything--pick your historical event or cultural phenomenon) is no
excuse.
Ah. Zen and the use of the English Language. Your grump does strike a
chord. I have always been one of those cranks who tries to nudge others
into a correct (my judgement) usage of the language. My father, for
example, taught me that "you can be hung or you can be hanged; one is
good, the other is bad".
humph,

It's about common culture. You can't use the English you use with people of
your generation with the current, because they have a different background.

Metaphors and similes are based on some form of shared understanding. Can't
use them with people who do not have the basis for understanding, which
makes teaching difficult. Normally, when there are blank looks out there in
class, you switch to a different analogy to try and make the connection.for
them. Easier in the sciences, where demonstrations or re-creation of
classical experiments can be used to demonstrate a truth than in English
Literature classes with kids who never learned their Bible. Can't explain
the thought without understanding the metaphor, can't teach the metaphor
without offending some nitwit. Can't teach US History without mentioning
all those dead white guys, because there just weren't a lot of decisions
made, battles fought, or treaties made by black (excuse me African American)
women.

That's what the list is meant to convey, a warning that so much that is
second nature through real or vicarious experience (learning) to the
professors is meaningless to the student.

I was thinking about this list last night, and I realized that it's just
possible, in fact probably true, that some of these kids, born in 1987,
might have GRANDFATHERS that fought in Vietnam. That's weird, isn't it?

Tom Dacon

"Joe AutoDrill" wrote in message
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MINDSET LIST® FOR THE CLASS OF 2009

Shamelessly stolen from:
http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/releases/mindset_2009.htm

Most students entering college this fall were born in 1987.

1. Andy Warhol, Liberace, Jackie Gleason, and Lee Marvin have always been
dead.
2. They don't remember when "cut and paste" involved scissors.
3. Heart-lung transplants have always been possible.
4. Wayne Gretzky never played for Edmonton.
5. Boston has been working on "The Big Dig" all their lives.
6. With little need to practice, most of them do not know how to tie a
tie.
7. Pay-Per-View television has always been an option.
8. They never had the fun of being thrown into the back of a station wagon
with six others.
9. Iran and Iraq have never been at war with each other.
10. They are more familiar with Greg Gumbel than with Bryant Gumbel.
11. Philip Morris has always owned Kraft Foods.
12. Al-Qaida has always existed with Osama bin Laden at its head.
13. They learned to count with Lotus 1-2-3.
14. Car stereos have always rivaled home component systems.
15. Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker have never preached on television.
16. Voice mail has always been available.
17. "Whatever" is not part of a question but an expression of sullen
rebuke.
18. The federal budget has always been more than a trillion dollars.
19. Condoms have always been advertised on television.
20.They may have fallen asleep playing with their Gameboys in the crib.
21. They have always had the right to burn the flag.
22. For daily caffeine emergencies, Starbucks has always been around the
corner.
23. Ferdinand Marcos has never been in charge of the Philippines.
24. Money put in their savings account the year they were born earned
almost 7% interest.
25. Bill Gates has always been worth at least a billion dollars.
26. Dirty dancing has always been acceptable.
27. Southern fried chicken, prepared with a blend of 11 herbs and spices,
has always been available in China.
28. Michael Jackson has always been bad, and greed has always been good.
29. The Starship Enterprise has always looked dated.
30. Pixar has always existed.
31.There has never been a "fairness doctrine" at the FCC.
32. Judicial appointments routinely have been "Borked."
33. Aretha Franklin has always been in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
34. There have always been zebra mussels in the Great Lakes.
35. Police have always been able to search garbage without a search
warrant.
36. It has always been possible to walk from England to mainland Europe on
dry land.
37. They have grown up in a single superpower world.
38. They missed the oat bran diet craze.
39. American Motors has never existed.
40. Scientists have always been able to see supernovas.
41. Les Miserables has always been on stage.
42. Halogen lights have always been available at home, with a warning.
43. "Baby M" may be a classmate, and contracts with surrogate mothers have
always been legal.
44. RU486, the "morning after pill," has always been on the market.
45. There has always been a pyramid in front of the Louvre in Paris.
46. British Airways has always been privately owned.
47. Irradiated food has always been available but controversial.
48. Snowboarding has always been a popular winter pastime.
49. Libraries have always been the best centers for computer technology
and access to good software.
50. Biosphere 2 has always been trying to create a revolution in the life
sciences.
51. The Hubble Telescope has always been focused on new frontiers.
52. Researchers have always been looking for stem cells.
53. They do not remember "a kinder and gentler nation."
54. They never saw the shuttle Challenger fly.
55. The TV networks have always had cable partners.
56. Airports have always had upscale shops and restaurants.
57. Black Americans have always been known as African-Americans.
58. They never saw Pat Sajak or Arsenio Hall host a late night television
show.
59. Matt Groening has always had a Life in Hell.
60. Salman Rushdie has always been watching over his shoulder.
61. Digital cameras have always existed.
62. Tom Landry never coached the Cowboys.
63. Time Life and Warner Communications have always been joined.
64. CNBC has always been on the air.
65. The Field of Dreams has always been drawing people to Iowa.
66. They never saw a Howard Johnson's with 28 ice cream flavors.
67. Reindeer at Christmas have always distinguished between secular and
religious decorations.
68. Entertainment Weekly has always been on the newsstand.
69. Lyme Disease has always been a ticking concern in the woods.
70. Jimmy Carter has always been an elder statesman.
71. Miss Piggy and Kermit have always dwelt in Disneyland.
72. America's Funniest Home Videos has always been on television.
73. Their nervous new parents heard C. Everett Koop proclaim nicotine as
addictive as heroin.
74. Lever has always been looking for 2000 parts to clean.
75. They have always been challenged to distinguish between news and
entertainment on cable TV.

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
snip
a 1960 Humber Super Snipe... Would love to see just about anyone in
my country explain that one...
--

http://www.motorfestival.co.uk/humbers2.htm

For the generation that thinks Auburn is just a football team that one
might help.

Now I've seen everything... all those cars were wearing suspenders!
Tom

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Most students entering college this fall were born in 1987.



mass snippage

OK, stupid(?) question - - #36. "It has always been possible to walk
from England to mainland Europe on dry land."

Did I miss the building of the bridge across the channel? I know about the
"Chunnel", but I'm confused.


--
Nahmie
The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves.

"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message

OK, stupid(?) question - - #36. "It has always been possible to walk
from England to mainland Europe on dry land."

Did I miss the building of the bridge across the channel? I know about the
"Chunnel", but I'm confused.

I figured they were talking about the Chunnel too. IMO, neither that or a
bridge would not technically be "dry land". Unless they filled in one huge
strip of land across.

"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message
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Most students entering college this fall were born in 1987.



mass snippage

OK, stupid(?) question - - #36. "It has always been possible to walk
from England to mainland Europe on dry land."

Did I miss the building of the bridge across the channel? I know about the
"Chunnel", but I'm confused.

How about "walk between England and France without getting wet."

Elmar wrote:
A few other things children born in 87 likely don't know about:

Respect
Manners
Discipline
Pride

and the list goes on.....

There are parents today that should be ashamed of the way they are
raising their children. They're too worried about being "Buddies" to
be a parent.


whereas you have the humility and manners to make such broad
condemnations.... because, what? you're right and everyone else is
wrong? or are you a member of the "greatest generation" and everyone
else just sucks eggs?

you sir are a hypocrite. and poorly informed.

wrote in message
oups.com...

Elmar wrote:
A few other things children born in 87 likely don't know about:

Respect
Manners
Discipline

whereas you have the humility and manners to make such broad
condemnations.... because, what? you're right and everyone else is
wrong? or are you a member of the "greatest generation" and everyone
else just sucks eggs?

you sir are a hypocrite. and poorly informed.


QED, Elmar.

Yeah, but there really quite similar to previous generations, with the
following exceptions.

1) They dress better. Its a generalization, but they seem to wear much more
expensive clothes, have expensive haircuts, and are in general more coiffed
the when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's. When I was a kid guys never would
have put hair gel in there hair or wore an earing. It would have earned you
an ass kicking.

2) They drive better cars. When I got my license I drove a 74 plymouth
satellite my friends nicknamed *the beast*.

3) They have more expensive gadgets, especially cell phones. Even if they
had been available, theres no way most parents of my generation would have
footed an additional monthly bill for a kids cell phone.

Basically they seem to have more money to spend. I don't resent them
although I think its natural for the older generations to have some contempt
for the younger ones. Many(not all) young people need to get life's attitude
adjustment before they really can be considered adults.

3 Things everyone eventually needs to learn a

1) The world doesn't need you.
2) The world doesn't want you.
3) So you better find a way to make yourself useful.

ND wrote:
Yeah, but there really quite similar to previous generations, with the
following exceptions.

1) They dress better. Its a generalization, but they seem to wear much more
expensive clothes, have expensive haircuts, and are in general more coiffed
the when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's. When I was a kid guys never would
have put hair gel in there hair or wore an earing. It would have earned you
an ass kicking.

2) They drive better cars. When I got my license I drove a 74 plymouth
satellite my friends nicknamed *the beast*.

3) They have more expensive gadgets, especially cell phones. Even if they
had been available, theres no way most parents of my generation would have
footed an additional monthly bill for a kids cell phone.

Basically they seem to have more money to spend. I don't resent them
although I think its natural for the older generations to have some contempt
for the younger ones. Many(not all) young people need to get life's attitude
adjustment before they really can be considered adults.

3 Things everyone eventually needs to learn a

1) The world doesn't need you.
2) The world doesn't want you.
3) So you better find a way to make yourself useful.

You end very sensibly, but early on you had me gasping with laughter.
If you think girl's tops so tight they make even skinny kids look
bulbous by squeezing out the body tissue and boy's pants that look as
if they're hanging well down, with a load dropped in them, are examples
of dressing better---well, I guess that goes along with the oddity of
some of the "coifs" that you seem to admire.

But, then, I was a kid in the '40s and '50s and that was a period when
"a little dab'll do ya" for hair styling goo. Plain, old fashioned
grease, some of it sheep grease (Wildroot Cream Oil, with a lanolin
base).

We needed attitude adjustments as well, but not such severe ones,
because we'd long since found out that the only one who really cared
for us was our mamma--and many of us weren't too sure about that.
That's the era of "Nobody loves you but your momma, and she might be
jivin' too."

They don't drive better cars than I did, but I worked from 12 to 19 to
save for mine, a '57 Chev convertible, 283 V8 with the Duntov package.

Telephones? The only reason we had a phone at all was because my mother
was an RN, and was sometimes on call. I called home from Kaneohe Bay,
HI on my 21st birthday, and the phone bill was $120. Takes a whole
bunch of talking to get there today.

We, at least, had a fairly cherry outlook on life, though we had to
live with the bomb and the Cold War. I really wouldn't care to be a
teenager today.

"ND" wrote in message

1) They dress better. Its a generalization, but they seem to wear much
more
expensive clothes, have expensive haircuts, and are in general more
coiffed
the when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's.

That does not make you a better person. as for dressing "better", that is
very subjective when I look at some kid with baggy pants half down his ass.



2) They drive better cars. When I got my license I drove a 74 plymouth
satellite my friends nicknamed *the beast*.

My first was a '53 Mercury Monterey. Very stylish at the time. I
customized it and paid for it myself. Today, the kids select from a list of
options that daddy pays for. How often do you see a car today that has been
"nose and decked" or had "Frenched" tail lights? How about them high
compression heads?



3) They have more expensive gadgets, especially cell phones. Even if they
had been available, theres no way most parents of my generation would have
footed an additional monthly bill for a kids cell phone.

All made possible by our generation.


3 Things everyone eventually needs to learn a

1) The world doesn't need you.
2) The world doesn't want you.
3) So you better find a way to make yourself useful.

Good points.

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mass snippage

OK, stupid(?) question - - #36. "It has always been possible to walk
from England to mainland Europe on dry land."

Did I miss the building of the bridge across the channel? I know about
the "Chunnel", but I'm confused.

How about "walk between England and France without getting wet."

How about "travel from England to Europe without flying or by ship without
getting wet"?(Unless you're going to stay standing and walk around on the
train) There is no walking or driving through the Chunnel. AFIK, there are 3
ways to travel the Chunnel. 1 - Ride the train, 2 - Put your car on and then
ride the train, or 3 - Put your car on and then ride IN the car on the
train(but I'm not sure about #2)

--
Nahmie
The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves.

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:52:55 GMT, "Joe AutoDrill"
wrote:

MINDSET LIST® FOR THE CLASS OF 2009

Shamelessly stolen from:
http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/releases/mindset_2009.htm

Most students entering college this fall were born in 1987.

1. Andy Warhol, Liberace, Jackie Gleason, and Lee Marvin have always been
dead.

Excepting Messrs. Gleason and Marvin, this is greatly to their
benefit.

2. They don't remember when "cut and paste" involved scissors.

Having suffered through working on a newspaper that was literally cut
out with an X-Acto knife and pasted down with wax, I would not wish
to encumber them with such.

3. Heart-lung transplants have always been possible.

It is we who lived with the possibility. They enjoy a world where it
is a day to day fact. God bless them in their ignorance.

4. Wayne Gretzky never played for Edmonton.

The Great White Whine. Little to be mourned there.

5. Boston has been working on "The Big Dig" all their lives.

This merely indicates that altruism and public works go hand in hand.

6. With little need to practice, most of them do not know how to tie a tie.

As we have little experience with the proper fixing of a nose ring.

7. Pay-Per-View television has always been an option.

Perhaps for some, although I do not count myself among them.

8. They never had the fun of being thrown into the back of a station wagon
with six others.

The only difference that I can perceive between station wagons and
SUV's is the latter's abundance of cup holders.

9. Iran and Iraq have never been at war with each other.

Surely even a less than keen study of history would prove otherwise.

10. They are more familiar with Greg Gumbel than with Bryant Gumbel.

Familiarity in either instance would certainly breed the same
contempt.

11. Philip Morris has always owned Kraft Foods.

Differing in their poisonous content only by degree.

12. Al-Qaida has always existed with Osama bin Laden at its head.

But they lack all knowledge of Pol Pot, Papa Doc, George Wallace and
Don Ho.

13. They learned to count with Lotus 1-2-3.

A most decidedly cellular error.

14. Car stereos have always rivaled home component systems.

Only in the bassist way.

15. Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker have never preached on television.

God bless them, every one. And they don't ken who Tammy Faye and Fawn
are, either.

16. Voice mail has always been available.

Do you not regret the extinction of the secretary?

17. "Whatever" is not part of a question but an expression of sullen rebuke.

"Whatever" was never part of a question.

18. The federal budget has always been more than a trillion dollars.

The number of zeros have always been incomprehensible to the preceding
generation.

19. Condoms have always been advertised on television.

Yes, but that "Clap The Light On" thing has mercifully become past
tense.


I promised myself that I would stop before a score. I've barely made
it.

Although the initiator of this swill is to be commended for his
memory, my personal thinking is that the current generation has a
current war to remind them of an earlier one, and it is always thus.

They have a leader who lacks as others have lacked before him, and it
shall always be thus.

They have the problem to solve of how to continue this great
experiment, with a constantly increasing number of variables, and it
is as it has always been - and so shall it be.

God bless them, every one.


Tom Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)

Gee...guess I hit a little too close to home for ya huh?

You don't know me and call me a hypocrite?

Where did I claim to come from the "greatest" generation.

Where did I claim I was always right and you were always wrong.

Nice try....

On 2 Sep 2005 13:53:44 -0700, Elmar wrote:
Gee...guess I hit a little too close to home for ya huh?

You don't know me and call me a hypocrite?

Who are you talking to, elmar? Hint: when you're insulting or taunting
someone, it's more effective to provide some context so they know it's
them.

Nice try....

Indeed. To whatever you're responding to.

In article , Dave Hinz wrote:
On 2 Sep 2005 13:53:44 -0700, Elmar wrote:
Gee...guess I hit a little too close to home for ya huh?

You don't know me and call me a hypocrite?

Who are you talking to, elmar? Hint: when you're insulting or taunting
someone, it's more effective to provide some context so they know it's
them.

Nice try....

Indeed. To whatever you're responding to.

Just another goober posting thru the broken interface at GooberGroups... pay
him no mind. He doesn't know any better.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

""Who are you talking to, elmar? Hint: when you're insulting or
taunting
someone, it's more effective to provide some context so they know it's
them.""


My apologies to those not smart enough to follow the thread.....

Elmar wrote:
""Who are you talking to, elmar? Hint: when you're insulting or
taunting
someone, it's more effective to provide some context so they know it's
them.""


My apologies to those not smart enough to follow the thread.....

Or who don't care enough to persistently search through back messages?

Try following custom from time to time. It's often there for a reason.
And don't mistake persistence for smartness.

On 7 Sep 2005 05:49:44 -0700, Elmar wrote:
""Who are you talking to, elmar? Hint: when you're insulting or
taunting
someone, it's more effective to provide some context so they know it's
them.""

My apologies to those not smart enough to follow the thread.....

You're _ass_uming that everyone uses the same GUI to read news that you
do. I attempted to clue you in; you apparently haven't noticed the
convention of saying "person" said 'small quote' and then adding your
comments to it. It's called _providing context_ and would improve your
ability to communicate.

You seem, however, to be somewhat clue-resistant. Ah well; your choice.