My wife sells a lot of my stuff at her workplace to co-workers, and as
it's coming up to Christmas she's on a sales offensive right now.
Someone who had been given a plate I made (about 12", ash with some
lovely swirling olive pieces in it) last year as a wedding present by
her colleagues asked her if I could "take a look at it for her", since
she had (accidentally?) put it in the dishwasher !!! I didn't hold out
much hope, but said to her to bring it in anyway and I'd see what I
could do. Well, the wife has just rung me to let me know that not only
has any semblance of a finish been comprehensively removed (presumably
by the dishwasher episode), but that she apparently uses it every day to
eat her breakfast off of!?! I've no idea what finish I applied at the
time, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't food safe If it's still
possible to get it onto the lathe I'll try and give it another sand, and
put some kind of food safe oil finish on it and give her instructions on
how to look after it, but I'm thinking it's beyond hope.

So, has anyone else had any similar experiences?

--
Alun Saunders

For the Jewish new year, I made my family some custom honey dippers
(cut me some slack, I'm just starting with this turning thing). It was
a really nice present - especially when everyone understood I made them
myself...
Anyway, one of the recipients was my wife's mother, which of course put
it to good use during the holiday (one of the rituals is to dip the
bread in honey as a blessing for a sweet new year). After wards of
course, she had to wash it....
Now, she doesn't own a dish-washer, however, her dishwashing is a
rigouros test for wooden objects - she scrubs like there is no tommorow
- and uses some serious soap. Every finish I did got washed off,
including some serious raising of grain.

As for food safe finish, I used Olive Oil to finish the dippers, I like
simple, and this is also food safe. So a little sanding (off lathe) and
another helping of Oil did it, until the next time.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:49:58 +0000, Alun
wrote:

I've no idea what finish I applied at the
time, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't food safe

This is rapidly taking over as the biggest urban myth in woodworking
(next to exploding dust collection systems).

Virtually any finish except lead paint is "food safe" once it's cured.
In fact, there may not even be any finishes that can make the claim
"food safe" due to the exceedingly difficult FDA standards it would
have to meet. But that a company elects not to incur the expense of
testing and certification just to be able to make the claim doesn't
mean that the finish isn't "food safe."

Don't take my word for it. Look it up. The three major finishing
experts, Dresdner, Jewitt, and Flexner, all pretty much say the same
thing: once a finish is fully cured you have little to fear from it.

See the article "Which Finishes are Food Safe?" in the April, 1998,
Fine Woodworking.


--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

I once posted about the time I used my belt as a strap wrench to hold a
blank for drilling and my pants dropped down. I often wear no underwear
in summer and I turn in a garage that's open to the street!

Hi LRod, Are you trying to destroy RCW ?
Without the lengthy threads of our expert's heated arguments about the
urban myths of woodturning, the ng would dry up ....and that's no myth.



Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter



http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

"LRod" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:49:58 +0000, Alun
wrote:

I've no idea what finish I applied at the
time, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't food safe

This is rapidly taking over as the biggest urban myth in woodworking
(next to exploding dust collection systems).

Virtually any finish except lead paint is "food safe" once it's cured.

Snip................

--
LRod

Couldn't agree more Lrod. Some woodturners are continuously worrying about
"foodsafe" finishes when half the damn food we buy isn't
"foodsafe".................... I'd be more concerned about putting
something sold in a McDonalds in my mouth than I would eating off a wooden
plate.
--

Regards,
M.J. (Mike) Orr
www.island.net/~morr

"Arch" wrote: I once posted about the time I used my belt as a strap wrench
to hold a blank for drilling and my pants dropped down.(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Arch, if you ever decide to do this while welding, I strongly suggest you
wear leather underwear. For reasons that will be *painfully* clear if you
forget.

"Arch" wrote in message
...
I once posted about the time I used my belt as a strap wrench to hold a
blank for drilling and my pants dropped down. I often wear no underwear
in summer and I turn in a garage that's open to the street!

Hi LRod, Are you trying to destroy RCW ?
Without the lengthy threads of our expert's heated arguments about the
urban myths of woodturning, the ng would dry up ....and that's no myth.


Well once again, if the individual in question is a devotee of talk-show
science, there's no hope of convincing them. Kansas is not a fluke; we
really do consider supposition on a par with science.

Depending on whether or not their position coincides with yours, you may
enjoy or deplore the bureaucrats who produced :
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...cfm?fr=175.300

Blot that image out, Chuck. It's not food safe.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter



http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Hi Alun

I had something like that, though not as severe I think.
Friend of mine bought 2 salad/fruit bowls for his daughters wedding,
then about 3 years later he comes over one day, brings me some nice
yellow birch burl he had cut off and one of the bowls that he had
bought, and the question can you fix this up ??
As the story went, daughter and SIL had gone to a wedding and brought
back a bouquet of flowers and MIL who was baby sitting their little son
had set the flowers in the bowl with a generous amount of water, which
was discovered only days later, sure did a job to the looks of the bowl.
The bowl, made from burr oak, was not cracked or warped, only the color
had aged as I will call it G
So I put it on my lathe on the vacuum chuck, sanded it down a bid, then
polished it, and applied my oil finish on it again.
Told my friend that next time I would not fix it and keep the bowl.

Moral of the story, a well made bowl can stand a lot of abuse and a oil
finish can be applied again and again, not so easily with a damaged
lacquer, urethane etc. finish.
Olive oil, sunflower oil and tung oil are three finishes that are safe
and good finishes for turnings used with food.

Have fun and take care
Leo Van Der Loo

Alun wrote:

My wife sells a lot of my stuff at her workplace to co-workers, and as
it's coming up to Christmas she's on a sales offensive right now.
Someone who had been given a plate I made (about 12", ash with some
lovely swirling olive pieces in it) last year as a wedding present by
her colleagues asked her if I could "take a look at it for her", since
she had (accidentally?) put it in the dishwasher !!! I didn't hold out
much hope, but said to her to bring it in anyway and I'd see what I
could do. Well, the wife has just rung me to let me know that not only
has any semblance of a finish been comprehensively removed (presumably
by the dishwasher episode), but that she apparently uses it every day to
eat her breakfast off of!?! I've no idea what finish I applied at the
time, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't food safe If it's still
possible to get it onto the lathe I'll try and give it another sand, and
put some kind of food safe oil finish on it and give her instructions on
how to look after it, but I'm thinking it's beyond hope.

So, has anyone else had any similar experiences?

Totally in agreement with that LRod

Have fun and take care
Leo Van Der Loo

LRod wrote:

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:49:58 +0000, Alun
wrote:


I've no idea what finish I applied at the
time, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't food safe


This is rapidly taking over as the biggest urban myth in woodworking
(next to exploding dust collection systems).

Virtually any finish except lead paint is "food safe" once it's cured.
In fact, there may not even be any finishes that can make the claim
"food safe" due to the exceedingly difficult FDA standards it would
have to meet. But that a company elects not to incur the expense of
testing and certification just to be able to make the claim doesn't
mean that the finish isn't "food safe."

Don't take my word for it. Look it up. The three major finishing
experts, Dresdner, Jewitt, and Flexner, all pretty much say the same
thing: once a finish is fully cured you have little to fear from it.

See the article "Which Finishes are Food Safe?" in the April, 1998,
Fine Woodworking.

Hi Arch

Drying up?? no chance, just don't you go away ye hear G

Have fun and take care
Leo Van Der Loo

Arch wrote:

I once posted about the time I used my belt as a strap wrench to hold a
blank for drilling and my pants dropped down. I often wear no underwear
in summer and I turn in a garage that's open to the street!

Hi LRod, Are you trying to destroy RCW ?
Without the lengthy threads of our expert's heated arguments about the
urban myths of woodturning, the ng would dry up ....and that's no myth.



Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter



http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Hi Leo

Would that be Sunburn or spotburn ?? G
Also keep your pantleggs over your shoes unless you want to do a dancing
shoes demo.

Have fun and take care
Leo Van Der Loo

Leo Lichtman wrote:

"Arch" wrote: I once posted about the time I used my belt as a strap wrench
to hold a blank for drilling and my pants dropped down.(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Arch, if you ever decide to do this while welding, I strongly suggest you
wear leather underwear. For reasons that will be *painfully* clear if you
forget.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:20:56 -0800, "M.J."
wrote:


Couldn't agree more Lrod. Some woodturners are continuously worrying about
"foodsafe" finishes when half the damn food we buy isn't
"foodsafe".................... I'd be more concerned about putting
something sold in a McDonalds in my mouth than I would eating off a wooden
plate.

LoL!! TOO right!


--
Chuck *#:^)
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:10:48 -0500, (Arch) wrote:

I once posted about the time I used my belt as a strap wrench to hold a
blank for drilling and my pants dropped down. I often wear no underwear
in summer and I turn in a garage that's open to the street!

Hey thanks, Arch. Now _there's_ an image we all wanted to take to the
Thanksgiving table with us!!


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In article ,
(Arch) wrote:

I once posted about the time I used my belt as a strap wrench to hold a
blank for drilling and my pants dropped down. I often wear no underwear
in summer and I turn in a garage that's open to the street!

MY EYES! MY EYES!

--
Owen Lowe

Northwest Woodturners,
Cascade Woodturners,
Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild
___
Tips fer Turnin': Pour your end-grain sealer into a clean, wide-mouth
clothes detergent bottle. The lid makes a handy dipping container for
your brush and the leftovers will drain back into the bottle when you
recap the jug.

(Arch) wrote:

I once posted about the time I used my belt as a strap wrench to hold a
blank for drilling and my pants dropped down. I often wear no underwear
in summer and I turn in a garage that's open to the street!

I once lived in a house on a corner lot with a four way stop. I was up one
of my trees - visible to both streets - doing some vigorous pruning when my
pants dropped. I Was wearing shorts, but it took a while to get my pants up
and not fall out of the tree while doing so.

In article zW6hf.661$mJ2.309@trnddc02,
Lobby Dosser wrote:

I once lived in a house on a corner lot with a four way stop. I was up one
of my trees - visible to both streets - doing some vigorous pruning when my
pants dropped. I Was wearing shorts, but it took a while to get my pants up
and not fall out of the tree while doing so.

STOP NOW YOU GUYS! WE DON'T CONDONE TORTURE HERE IN RCW!






--
Owen Lowe

Northwest Woodturners,
Cascade Woodturners,
Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild
___
Tips fer Turnin': Pour your end-grain sealer into a clean, wide-mouth
clothes detergent bottle. The lid makes a handy dipping container for
your brush and the leftovers will drain back into the bottle when you
recap the jug.

If the finish is water soluble or can be removed in the dishwasher then it
can be removed at the dinner table. Even though walnut, sunflower, and
olive oils are considered safe some people are allergic and the oil can be
deadly. Curried finishes can still leach toxic materials. Before declaring
a finish food safe you need to have a TCLP (Toxicity Characteristic leaching
Procedure) performed to ensure the finish is safe. Heavy metals, not just
lead, can be leached from many solids.

I agree that many finishes are safe when cured but I have seen the reselts
from enough tests to know that they are not all safe. We need to be
carefull when we use the turm Food Safe.


"LRod" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:49:58 +0000, Alun
wrote:

I've no idea what finish I applied at the
time, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't food safe

This is rapidly taking over as the biggest urban myth in woodworking
(next to exploding dust collection systems).

Virtually any finish except lead paint is "food safe" once it's cured.
In fact, there may not even be any finishes that can make the claim
"food safe" due to the exceedingly difficult FDA standards it would
have to meet. But that a company elects not to incur the expense of
testing and certification just to be able to make the claim doesn't
mean that the finish isn't "food safe."

Don't take my word for it. Look it up. The three major finishing
experts, Dresdner, Jewitt, and Flexner, all pretty much say the same
thing: once a finish is fully cured you have little to fear from it.

See the article "Which Finishes are Food Safe?" in the April, 1998,
Fine Woodworking.


--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:40:26 -0500, George wrote:

Depending on whether or not their position coincides with yours, you may
enjoy or deplore the bureaucrats who produced :
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...cfm?fr=175.300

Okay George, you went and stole my thunder. I was just reading the thread
all the way through before posting that link myself. Yowza ... we sure
seem to cover this ground with astounding regularity!

Bill

No.........but some people don't appreciate/understand/deserve quality hand
crafted items. Some people absolutely amaze me........and not in a good way
either! My sympathies. I include a "caution card" with everything I sell
or give away warning that the item be kept out of direct sun light and away
from other sources of heat and light. I caution that the piece is intended
for display only or for dry ingredients like candies or nuts. There is also
a caveat not to wash or soak...........wipe with a damp cloth only. If they
run it through the dishwasher anyway, it's theirs!

Barry


"Alun" wrote in message
...
My wife sells a lot of my stuff at her workplace to co-workers, and as
it's coming up to Christmas she's on a sales offensive right now.
Someone who had been given a plate I made (about 12", ash with some
lovely swirling olive pieces in it) last year as a wedding present by
her colleagues asked her if I could "take a look at it for her", since
she had (accidentally?) put it in the dishwasher !!! I didn't hold out
much hope, but said to her to bring it in anyway and I'd see what I
could do. Well, the wife has just rung me to let me know that not only
has any semblance of a finish been comprehensively removed (presumably
by the dishwasher episode), but that she apparently uses it every day to
eat her breakfast off of!?! I've no idea what finish I applied at the
time, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't food safe If it's still
possible to get it onto the lathe I'll try and give it another sand, and
put some kind of food safe oil finish on it and give her instructions on
how to look after it, but I'm thinking it's beyond hope.

So, has anyone else had any similar experiences?

--
Alun Saunders

Great, but not quite complete.

Tell them: "No Dishwasher, No Oven, No Microwave!"

And a Danish finish might be "food safe" but it isn't safe for string liquids
like Vinegar, so don't put 'dressed salad' in wood, though a "Salad Bowl"
finish may be ok for eating dressed salad from, if cleaned quickly after the meal.

mike


Barry N. Turner wrote:
No.........but some people don't appreciate/understand/deserve quality hand
crafted items. Some people absolutely amaze me........and not in a good way
either! My sympathies. I include a "caution card" with everything I sell
or give away warning that the item be kept out of direct sun light and away
from other sources of heat and light. I caution that the piece is intended
for display only or for dry ingredients like candies or nuts. There is also
a caveat not to wash or soak...........wipe with a damp cloth only. If they
run it through the dishwasher anyway, it's theirs!