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Default OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.
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Default CAUTION!!! Birdbrain, the Abnormal Pathological Attention Whore, Strikes, AGAIN!

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 17:20:46 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven ******","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
attention-baiting sick bull**** unread again

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Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
MID:

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Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
"Ok. I'm persuaded . You are an idiot."
MID:

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DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
MID:

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Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey LOL):
"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID:

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Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"the **** poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID:

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Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
"He's a perennial idiot"
MID: 20170519215057.56a1f1d4@Mars

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JoeyDee to Birdbrain
"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You're just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments."
MID: l-september.org

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Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He's just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be."
MID:

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asking Birdbrain:
"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID:

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Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander
Kinsey" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID:

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Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID:

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Richard to pathetic ****** Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID:

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about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID:

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Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a ******** with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID:

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francis about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID:

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Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

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Lewis about nym-shifting Birdbrain:
"Typical narcissist troll, thinks his **** is so grand he has the right to
try to force it on everyone."FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest
troll**** unread
MID:
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.


Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.


I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a speedtrap and driving on a different route.
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On 07/06/2021 18:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances
of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.


Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything.* It's an undirected
process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant.* Anything that
wasn't
resistant is dead.


I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.


Compared to you, it is intelligent.
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On 07/06/2021 18:34, Richard wrote:
On 07/06/2021 18:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.


Compared to you, it is intelligent.


Does this person ever post anything DIY related, or am I safe to plonk
the "rissole"?

Perhaps someone will post the contents of their killfile, so I can copy
it. That would be helpful. It used to be that uk.d-i-y was not a general
chat group populated by such a proportion of wanackers (name deprecated
though).


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Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?


Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

So we should be using it sparingly.


Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.


Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected
process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that
wasn't
resistant is dead.


I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.


Reality is nothing like that. Viruses cant do that.

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Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.


Look up terms like "evolutionary pressure" and "genetic drift".

Whether humans developed "herd immunity" by natural infection,
or developed immunity-by-vaccination, the evolutionary pressure
is the same. The unsuccessful variants are crushed, only to
be replaced by new variants. See "seasonal flu", for an example
of a dynamic equilibrium. (Genetic drift there, easily invalidates
this years flu shot, when next year rolls around.)

The difference between the two scenarios, is a lot more people
die in the natural infection case. And the variants still appear,
because there are so many "incubation cauldrons" for the
natural infection case. There is added misery, because there
are no beds for everyone (see India for examples of what that
looks like - throwing bodies in the Ganges!). Are you a floater ?
Is there a body of water nearby, for your disposal ? These
are things to consider with the "natural infection" scenario,
like whether you're a floater or not. Others will place bets,
on how far out to sea you'll get, before you're eaten.

Paul
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 04:08:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
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TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th 2018:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal ****wit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

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FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
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Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the senile
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Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too."

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Look up terms like "evolutionary pressure" and "genetic drift".


He won't, troll-feeding senile moron! He will only look how to bait more and
more of you senile idiots with ever more idiotic baits of his! BG
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On Jun 7, 2021 at 9:20:46 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?


No. It reduces the number of times it mutates and thus reduces the chance of
new strains. Hence it is important we help as many people as possible get it.

So we should be using it sparingly.



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On Jun 7, 2021 at 10:22:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.


Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.


I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.


Only intelligent compared to Republicans.

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On Jun 7, 2021 at 11:05:10 AM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
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Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?


Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.


Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.


Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.


Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

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Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote


Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?


Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.


Exactly!


So we should be using it sparingly.


Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.


Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.


Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?



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Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.


Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.
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FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.


Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

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Rod Speed wrote:
Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote


Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?


Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.


Exactly!


So we should be using it sparingly.


Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.


Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.


Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?



See in the news they will be lifting restrictions. The current threshold
for herd immunity is 70%. They are just about there.

Heard it from the wife of a doctor doing research in New York €” but it
might not be official.

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On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.


Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

i've had 3 shots already
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On 6/7/2021 12:20 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?* So we should be using it sparingly.


COVID-19 had no effect on me so I'm not concerned about COVID-20. LOL



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Default ****, the Git, the Troll-feeding Senile HUGE ASSHOLE!

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:14:54 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
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Only intelligent compared to Republicans.


Thanks, **** the Git, you abnormal troll-feeding senile democRat, for making
the clinically insane troll's latest idiotic thread a huge success on these
groups!
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:14:21 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
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No. It reduces the number of times


Just what does it take to reduce the number of times you will be sucking
that filthy troll's cock, senile **** the Git?
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 15:48:07 -0400, FromTheRafters, another mentally
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Good point actually.


Another idiotic troll actually, and nothing else, you mentally deficient
troll-feeding senile asshole!
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Exactly!


The tragic thing is that useless senile assholes like the two of you never
can get infected because you mentally twisted, driveling, senile morons got
no social life and never go out anyway!
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:02:07 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
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See in the news they will be lifting restrictions. The current threshold
for herd immunity is 70%. They are just about there.


See, you will be feeding ANY useless, idiotic troll and trash ANY ngs with
your ALWAYS off topic endless senile ****, in your typical selfish manner,
you typical self-complacent democRat! QED!


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On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 16:14:16 -0400, Maskless Sociopath, another brain dead
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COVID-19 had no effect on me so I'm not concerned about COVID-20. LOL


The trolling attention whore thanks you nicely for making yet another
absolutely idiotic and off topic thread a success! tsk
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On 07/06/2021 21:02, % wrote:
On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the
chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?Â* So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first
anticipated in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

i've had 3 shots already


How did you manage that? What does the NHS app tell you?


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On 07/06/2021 18:34, Richard wrote:
On 07/06/2021 18:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.


Compared to you, it is intelligent.


Does this person ever post anything DIY related,


Nope.

or am I safe to plonk the "rissole"?


Yep.


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On 07/06/2021 22:47, Joey wrote:
"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
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On 07/06/2021 18:34, Richard wrote:
On 07/06/2021 18:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Compared to you, it is intelligent.


Does this person ever post anything DIY related,


Nope.

or am I safe to plonk the "rissole"?


Yep.


Well, the chances of two being wrong are smaller than the chance of one
being wrong. TYVM. *Plonked*.

I'd still like o see a good killfile config.
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FromTheRafters wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote


Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone
increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid
the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.


Good point actually.


Nope, shows a complete misunderstanding of how viruses mutate.

I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We
have heard about bacteria being resistant due to
overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a
little different.


Completely different in fact. Antibiotics kill bacteria
and are not always 100% successful, and that's what
produces resistance. Vaccination stops infection and
so the virus doesn't get to mutate in that individual.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population
who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be
some for one reason or another.


Not necessarily, we eliminated smallpox
from the wild by vaccination. And havent
quite done that yet with polio because
a few countrys refused to vaccinate.

The bigger the host population the more
the viruses environment shapes the newer
generations. Resistance can build.


Not in those who don't get infected because
they have been vaccinated and the more that
have been vaccinated, the fewer infected
people there are for the virus to mutate in.

The other point is, vaccinated people can
still host the virus and spread it to others,


Yes, but far fewer of those do that than the unvaccinated.

they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated.


That's just plain wrong. Vaccination dramatically
reduces the chance of being infected at all.

This is no magic bullet,


Vaccination has in fact been just that with smallpox
and quite a few other viruses too. It hasn't been
with influenza and the common cold because
they mutate much faster than most viruses.

it is just another common-sense
weapon in the battle against the virus.


It is in fact by far the most effective weapon
against the virus apart from isolation which
isnt practical for most people.


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Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.


Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than
first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all.


Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now.


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Snit wrote
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Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?


Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.


Exactly!


So we should be using it sparingly.


Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.


Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.


Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?



See in the news they will be lifting restrictions.
The current threshold for herd immunity is 70%.


That number isnt certain yet, it depends on the
basic reproduction number of the disease and
that varys with the strain and it is known that
the more recent more virulent strains have worse
basic reproduction numbers and so the threshold
for herd immunity needed will be much higher
than 70%, well into the 90%s in fact.

They are just about there.


Nope.

Heard it from the wife of a doctor doing research in New York


She mangled the real story.

€” but it might not be official.


It definitely isnt.

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On 07/06/2021 21:02, % wrote:
On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances
of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated
in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

i've had 3 shots already


How did you manage that?


He's a yank troll.

What does the NHS app tell you?


**** off yank troll in appropriate bureaucratic
language if it side loads it on an android phone.

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Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote


Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?


Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.


Exactly!


So we should be using it sparingly.


Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.


Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.


Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?


Did more looking into this.

Need 70% to get to herd immunity:


https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...h-covid19.html

New York close to 70%


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...a-vaccine-dose

That does clarify that it is just one shot, not both -- so they will still not
be quite at the 70% *fully* vaccinated.

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"Snit" wrote in message
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FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than
first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all.


Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now.


I could quibble over semantics and scientific terms, but in general language
agreed.

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