I need to fix an oval cross section stair handrail to a brick wall. The handrail will meet the wall at 90 degrees, so think like a plastering hawk where the flat part is the wall and the handle is the handrail.

Obviously it needs to be sturdy. Any ideas?

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I need to fix an oval cross section stair handrail to a brick wall. The handrail will meet the wall at 90 degrees, so think like a plastering hawk where the flat part is the wall and the handle is the handrail.

Obviously it needs to be sturdy. Any ideas?

https://ironmongeryexperts.co.uk/65mm-saa-heavy-pattern-handrail-bracket.html

On 10/05/2021 10:40, me wrote:
I need to fix an oval cross section stair handrail to a brick wall.
The handrail will meet the wall at 90 degrees, so think like a
plastering hawk where the flat part is the wall and the handle is the
handrail.

Obviously it needs to be sturdy. Any ideas?

1/. cover the end in lead. Knock out a half brick and mortar it in
2/. Use a U bracket or stirrup bracket
3/. make a hole in a plywood plate, screw that to the wall and glue it in
4/. car body filler :-)


You don't say what size it is, whether its inside or oute, decorative or
utility, or anything.


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On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:51:23 AM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
https://ironmongeryexperts.co.uk/65mm-saa-heavy-pattern-handrail-bracket.html

That won't do it I'm afraid.

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:55:29 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: You don't say what size it is, whether its inside or oute, decorative or
utility, or anything.


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It's a standard stair handrail, oval in cross section, 7x5 cm, wood. Don't really know what more to add.

On 10/05/2021 10:55, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:51:23 AM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
https://ironmongeryexperts.co.uk/65mm-saa-heavy-pattern-handrail-bracket.html

That won't do it I'm afraid.



You haven't explained clearly what you want to do, and your reply quoted
above does not help to clarify. GIGO.

On 10/05/2021 10:59, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:55:29 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: You don't say what size it is, whether its inside or oute, decorative or
utility, or anything.


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It's a standard stair handrail, oval in cross section, 7x5 cm, wood. Don't really know what more to add.


Well, the obvious solution is the one that Andy posted. Why does that
not work?

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:59:14 AM UTC+1, me wrote: It's a standard stair handrail, oval in cross section, 7x5 cm, wood. Don't really know what more to add.
Oh I should have said the wall is a party wall so I can't do anything too heavy like knocking out bricks and so on.

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:01:07 AM UTC+1, GB wrote: Well, the obvious solution is the one that Andy posted. Why does that
not work?

Because the rail meets the wall at 90 degrees, just like the platerer's hawk I gave as an example. That bracket just won't fit

On 10/05/2021 10:40, me wrote:
I need to fix an oval cross section stair handrail to a brick wall. The handrail will meet the wall at 90 degrees, so think like a plastering hawk where the flat part is the wall and the handle is the handrail.

Obviously it needs to be sturdy. Any ideas?


If you mean a fixing for the end of the handrail you have options. In
addition to those mentioned by others there a connector like the one
below but with the profile to match your handrail - or your handrail
modified to fit.

https://www.bohle.com/en-gb/products...wall-connector

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On 10/05/2021 11:03, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:01:07 AM UTC+1, GB wrote: Well, the obvious solution is the one that Andy posted. Why does that
not work?

Because the rail meets the wall at 90 degrees, just like the platerer's hawk I gave as an example. That bracket just won't fit



So, this is just one end of the rail that you want to secure?

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:03:53 AM UTC+1, Robin wrote:
https://www.bohle.com/en-gb/products...wall-connector

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Yes that's the sort of thing I need, although I'm not sure I'll be able to get one with a profile that does match my oval shaped handrail. Thanks.

On 10/05/2021 11:03, Robin wrote:
On 10/05/2021 10:40, me wrote:
I need to fix an oval cross section stair handrail to a brick wall.
The handrail will meet the wall at 90 degrees, so think like a
plastering hawk where the flat part is the wall and the handle is the
handrail.

Obviously it needs to be sturdy. Any ideas?


If you mean a fixing for the end of the handrail you have options.Â* In
addition to those mentioned by others there a connector like the one
below but with the profile to match your handrail - or your handrail
modified to fit.

https://www.bohle.com/en-gb/products...wall-connector




Surely, a couple of pocket screws would work?

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:12:15 AM UTC+1, GB wrote:
So, this is just one end of the rail that you want to secure?

Yes.

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:13:36 AM UTC+1, GB wrote:
Surely, a couple of pocket screws would work?

That would definitely work and was the way I was going to do it but I wasn't sure it would stand up to kids banging into the rail as they inevitably will. So i thought a bracket of some sort with more screw fixings would be better

On 10/05/2021 10:59, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:55:29 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: You don't say what size it is, whether its inside or oute, decorative or
utility, or anything.


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It's a standard stair handrail, oval in cross section, 7x5 cm, wood. Don't really know what more to add.

Is it inside or outside? Is the brick rendered, plastered or bare?
None of my stair rails are oval. I cant recall ever having seen such.

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On 10/05/2021 11:01, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:59:14 AM UTC+1, me wrote: It's a standard stair handrail, oval in cross section, 7x5 cm, wood. Don't really know what more to add.
Oh I should have said the wall is a party wall so I can't do anything too heavy like knocking out bricks and so on.

At last. Its an internal. wall and probably plastered.
What's wrong with a nice wooden support under it shaped to it.
Or even a whole post ...?
Looking at 'oval' handrails all have a flat base to that bracket WILL fit



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On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Is it inside or outside? Is the brick rendered, plastered or bare?
None of my stair rails are oval. I cant recall ever having seen such.

It's a bare brick wall, not in very good condition due to the age of the house. There will be about 1cm of plaster on it eventually to match what's already on the rest of the wall. Don't know what you mean by inside or out .... it's a stair inside the house?

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:27:24 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: What's wrong with a nice wooden support under it shaped to it.

Yes I think I'll just get a square of wood a bit bigger than the oval dimension of the rail, trace the cross section on the wood and cut it out to make a pocket that the rail fits into. Then fix the wood to the wall with more screws than I would be able to on the rail alone providing a sturdier attachment

On 10/05/2021 11:28, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Is it inside or outside? Is the brick rendered, plastered or bare?
None of my stair rails are oval. I cant recall ever having seen such.

It's a bare brick wall, not in very good condition due to the age of the house. There will be about 1cm of plaster on it eventually to match what's already on the rest of the wall. Don't know what you mean by inside or out ... it's a stair inside the house?


Well that makes it easy. Before you fit the rail screw a fishplate to
the end of it with one or more *long* screws into the end grain, then
screw that fishplate to the wall and plaster over it.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/mending-p...-10-pack/16034


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On 10 May 2021 at 10:59:42 BST, "GB" wrote:

On 10/05/2021 10:55, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:51:23 AM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:

https://ironmongeryexperts.co.uk/65mm-saa-heavy-pattern-handrail-bracket.html

That won't do it I'm afraid.



You haven't explained clearly what you want to do, and your reply quoted
above does not help to clarify. GIGO.

He said he wants to terminate a handrail perpendicularly to a wall. That
seems pretty clear to me. The only question is how deep a hole in the wall he
is willing to make. Assuming it is a wooden rail I would make a hole chased
into the masonry deep enough and wide enough to cover at least two metal
brackets screwed to the sides of the rail and to the wall, and plaster over
them.

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On 10/05/2021 11:13, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:03:53 AM UTC+1, Robin wrote:
https://www.bohle.com/en-gb/products...wall-connector

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Yes that's the sort of thing I need, although I'm not sure I'll be able to get one with a profile that does match my oval shaped handrail. Thanks.


This sort of thing might be closer. You could possibly modify two to
make an oval recess, or shape your pole into a 50mm circle at the end...


https://www.direct-fabrics.co.uk/50m...ench-grey.html

https://lowwoodsfurnishings.co.uk/sh...m-wooden-pole/

https://www.ajantastudios.co.uk/curt...t-1-pack-of-2/

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On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:34:18 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.screwfix.com/p/mending-p...-10-pack/16034


Yes, that's a good idea. I think this one might be even better https://www.screwfix.com/p/jointing-...-10-pack/66707

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:37:58 AM UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
https://www.direct-fabrics.co.uk/50m...ench-grey.html

https://lowwoodsfurnishings.co.uk/sh...m-wooden-pole/

https://www.ajantastudios.co.uk/curt...t-1-pack-of-2/

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That's the sort of concept but it's getting one to fit my oval rail that might be difficult. I'd probably make a wooden one if I go that route

On 10/05/2021 11:13, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:12:15 AM UTC+1, GB wrote:
So, this is just one end of the rail that you want to secure?

Yes.

So you want the handrail in effect poking straight out of the wall?

How long a length have you go sticking out of the wall?

Is there anything else holding it up, or is it just this one fixing on
the end?




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On 10/05/2021 11:41, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:37:58 AM UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
https://www.direct-fabrics.co.uk/50m...ench-grey.html

https://lowwoodsfurnishings.co.uk/sh...m-wooden-pole/

https://www.ajantastudios.co.uk/curt...t-1-pack-of-2/

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That's the sort of concept but it's getting one to fit my oval rail that might be difficult. I'd probably make a wooden one if I go that route

Why not shape the bit of handrail that goes into the fitting so that it
matches the fitting? That's the nice thing about wood, its easy to cut
and shape.


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On 10/05/2021 10:59, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:55:29 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: You don't say what size it is, whether its inside or oute, decorative or
utility, or anything.


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It's a standard stair handrail, oval in cross section, 7x5 cm, wood. Don't really know what more to add.


A photo of the stairs and wall(s) that you need to attach it to ?.

On 10/05/2021 11:01, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:59:14 AM UTC+1, me wrote: It's a standard stair handrail, oval in cross section, 7x5 cm, wood. Don't really know what more to add.
Oh I should have said the wall is a party wall so I can't do anything too heavy like knocking out bricks and so on.


You can chase out a party wall for electric cables so what you need to
do should be ok, unless it is an old house and the party wall is
only one brick thick (possible, but unusual).

On 10/05/2021 11:38, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:34:18 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.screwfix.com/p/mending-p...-10-pack/16034


Yes, that's a good idea. I think this one might be even better https://www.screwfix.com/p/jointing-...-10-pack/66707


handrails need to be supported about every metre. How long is this
length of handrail, and apart from the very end, where else and
to what will the rest be attached to ?.

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 12:33:07 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: Why not shape the bit of handrail that goes into the fitting so that it
matches the fitting?

I just don't want to weaken the rail at all

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 12:49:01 PM UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
You can chase out a party wall for electric cables so what you need to
do should be ok, unless it is an old house and the party wall is
only one brick thick (possible, but unusual).


Unfortunately the party wall is only one brick thick, so really I'm limited to screwing something into the wall such as a bracket

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 12:51:03 PM UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
handrails need to be supported about every metre. How long is this
length of handrail, and apart from the very end, where else and
to what will the rest be attached to ?.

It's just under a metre and will attach to another rail at right angles to it, so it'll be supported at one end by this rail and at the other at the brick wall by one of the suggestions from above

On 10/05/2021 12:55, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 12:49:01 PM UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
You can chase out a party wall for electric cables so what you need to
do should be ok, unless it is an old house and the party wall is
only one brick thick (possible, but unusual).


Unfortunately the party wall is only one brick thick, so really I'm limited to screwing something into the wall such as a bracket


Are you going to mount your speakers on this wall ? :-)

If this wall is back-to-brick, then before you mess about with
handrails, consider overlaying it with Green sound-block
plasterboard, possibly with some acoustic insulation behind it,
or is this rental property ?.

On 10/05/2021 12:54, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 12:33:07 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: Why not shape the bit of handrail that goes into the fitting so that it
matches the fitting?

I just don't want to weaken the rail at all


If that's all that's stopping you then how about 150mm of threaded rod
resin glued into the centre of the rail?

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On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:37:16 PM UTC+1, Robin wrote:
If that's all that's stopping you then how about 150mm of threaded rod
resin glued into the centre of the rail?
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Yes I did think of that. The problem is I only have a hand drill and I'm not confident I can drill a hole bang on the rail axis. If the rod is skewed it'd be difficult to fit into the hole in the brick

On 10/05/2021 11:41, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:37:58 AM UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
https://www.direct-fabrics.co.uk/50m...ench-grey.html

https://lowwoodsfurnishings.co.uk/sh...m-wooden-pole/

https://www.ajantastudios.co.uk/curt...t-1-pack-of-2/

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That's the sort of concept but it's getting one to fit my oval rail that might be difficult. I'd probably make a wooden one if I go that route


Another thought is scaffold fittings. Apart from being the highest
mountain in England, Scaffold Pipes are just under 50mm diameter, maybe
something could be adapted.

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On 10/05/2021 10:55, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:51:23 AM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
https://ironmongeryexperts.co.uk/65mm-saa-heavy-pattern-handrail-bracket.html

That won't do it I'm afraid.

Why not, exactly? Is the oval vertical, or horizontal (if you see what I
mean). What are its dimensions?

Although this is "designed" as a base for an upright, no reason why it
can't be used on a wall

https://www.alvinkeyclamp.co.uk/prod...ing-base-a12-6

On 10/05/2021 13:46, me wrote:
On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:37:16 PM UTC+1, Robin wrote:
If that's all that's stopping you then how about 150mm of threaded rod
resin glued into the centre of the rail?
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Yes I did think of that. The problem is I only have a hand drill and I'm not confident I can drill a hole bang on the rail axis. If the rod is skewed it'd be difficult to fit into the hole in the brick


The rod would be flush with the end of the wood. It would be there to
strengthen the wood so you are happy to cut it to fit a circular
bracket. The support would come from the screws holding the bracket to
the wall.

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On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:48:51 PM UTC+1, Robin wrote:
The rod would be flush with the end of the wood. It would be there to
strengthen the wood so you are happy to cut it to fit a circular
bracket. The support would come from the screws holding the bracket to
the wall.
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Right, I see what you mean. I was thinking that the rod would stick out from the end of the rail and that would be fitted into a hole drilled into the wall for it as a fixing point.

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:48:19 PM UTC+1, newshound wrote:
https://www.alvinkeyclamp.co.uk/prod...ing-base-a12-6

That's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of but the rail is oval and the rail needs to be attached horizontally