....that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 17:35:24 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote:

...that T i m knows everything,

Nope, even he has never suggested anything along those lines? Is he
intimidating you because you are so thick?

is always correct in what he says

And again, other than if he says it there is a fair chance he knows it
to be reasonably correct.

and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

Ah, you seem to be confusing that with left brainers throwing their
toys out of the pram when he stands up for himself. Does the fact that
he has his own POV upset you then?

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

Oh no! I wonder how he is going to cope without *your* incitefull
contributions 'Bev'?

Oh, please respect all the others here by marking your personal issues
as off topic.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. You know your little post probably says more about you than you
intended, 'Bev @invalid.com'. ;-(

On 24/04/2021 20:19, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 17:35:24 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote:

...that T i m knows everything,

Nope, even he has never suggested anything along those lines? Is he
intimidating you because you are so thick?

What a faceplant. Can't you see sarcasm when it hits you in the face?

is always correct in what he says

And again, other than if he says it there is a fair chance he knows it
to be reasonably correct.

Like trillions of animals slaughtered every year.

and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

Ah, you seem to be confusing that with left brainers throwing their
toys out of the pram when he stands up for himself. Does the fact that
he has his own POV upset you then?

More abuse to save a lost argument.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

Oh no! I wonder how he is going to cope without *your* incitefull
contributions 'Bev'?

You rarely respond to me. Perhaps others should follow my lead?

Oh, please respect all the others here by marking your personal issues
as off topic.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. You know your little post probably says more about you than you
intended, 'Bev @invalid.com'. ;-(

I'm sure her B12 levels are higher than yours.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 20:29:51 +0100, Fredxx
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 20:19, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 17:35:24 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote:

...that T i m knows everything,

Nope, even he has never suggested anything along those lines? Is he
intimidating you because you are so thick?

What a faceplant.

Another one mirroring now ... brilliant. They (the trolls) wouldn't
have a unique idea amongst them (assuming it's not all the same
troll).

Can't you see sarcasm when it hits you in the face?

O M G. You *really* are thick aren't you! (and yet more mirroring).
Now I really do feel sorry for you, not only being so devoid of the
most basic human understanding but stuck down that hole you are still
digging and covered in my ****. Obviously I wouldn't have ****ed on
you if you were on fire ...

is always correct in what he says

And again, other than if he says it there is a fair chance he knows it
to be reasonably correct.

Like trillions of animals slaughtered every year.

Yup. Fact. Suck it up troll.

and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

Ah, you seem to be confusing that with left brainers throwing their
toys out of the pram when he stands up for himself. Does the fact that
he has his own POV upset you then?

More abuse to save a lost argument.

Aww, princess, is that still all you've got. ;-(

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

Oh no! I wonder how he is going to cope without *your* incitefull
contributions 'Bev'?

You rarely respond to me.

Oh, sorry. ;-( Maybe that's because you are just a sick and twisted
troll?

Perhaps others should follow my lead?

No, don't do that, I wouldn't have anyone to **** on and laugh at! ;-(

Oh, please respect all the others here by marking your personal issues
as off topic.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. You know your little post probably says more about you than you
intended, 'Bev @invalid.com'. ;-(

I'm sure her B12 levels are higher than yours.

Brilliant. I've recently had a blood test and it came back as 'normal'
(and I specifically asked for B12 etc tests because we were vegan) and
you already share Bevs medical records to know that it's levels are
ok? You are even assuming your B12 levels are good simply because you
eat meat, when 40% of the population (who will be mainly meat eaters)
are B12 deficient! But then we already know you are thick. ;-(

So, I'm (still) working from fact and you are still away with the
fairies!

Cheers, T i m

p.s. If you are really upset that I don't generally reply to you, how
about stopping making up BS as all the sensible people here can see
straight though it and just talk normally for a change ... if you can
that is?

https://ibb.co/HzVPM23

On 24/04/2021 21:33, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 20:29:51 +0100, Fredxx
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 20:19, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 17:35:24 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote:

...that T i m knows everything,

Nope, even he has never suggested anything along those lines? Is he
intimidating you because you are so thick?

What a faceplant.

Another one mirroring now ... brilliant. They (the trolls) wouldn't
have a unique idea amongst them (assuming it's not all the same
troll).

It wasn't intended a a mirror, more the choice of words I knew there was
a fighting chance you might just understand.

Can't you see sarcasm when it hits you in the face?

O M G. You *really* are thick aren't you! (and yet more mirroring).
Now I really do feel sorry for you, not only being so devoid of the
most basic human understanding but stuck down that hole you are still
digging and covered in my ****. Obviously I wouldn't have ****ed on
you if you were on fire ...

All that guff but no denial.
is always correct in what he says

And again, other than if he says it there is a fair chance he knows it
to be reasonably correct.

Like trillions of animals slaughtered every year.

Yup. Fact. Suck it up troll.

It's not, as well as you know, unless you include poor amoebas.

and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

Ah, you seem to be confusing that with left brainers throwing their
toys out of the pram when he stands up for himself. Does the fact that
he has his own POV upset you then?

More abuse to save a lost argument.

Aww, princess, is that still all you've got. ;-(

I don't need anything else when you attempt to end a losing argument
through abuse.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

Oh no! I wonder how he is going to cope without *your* incitefull
contributions 'Bev'?

You rarely respond to me.

Oh, sorry. ;-( Maybe that's because you are just a sick and twisted
troll?

The sick person is described by the following?

1) You are a fanatic
2) Hypocrite in terms of incarcerating your pets unbecoming of a vegan.
3) Keeping a dog in captivity, admitting you subjecting it to pain
through full bladders and bowels.
4) Likely deficient in B12
5) Being an unworthy example of a vegan
6) Abusing others who disagree with you, questioning their brain
7) In denial you abuse others who disagree with you
8) Not caring for animal welfare, as indicated by the snipping of
petitions and not wanting to improve slaughter procedures.
9) You believe in a deity like father christmas and endorse religious
practises employed in cruel animal slaughter
10) Admit you don't want the conditions during the animal's life to be
improved
11) Subject children to age restricted violence
12) Endorse the cruel force feeding of geese so you can enjoy fois gras
13) Endorse the cruel practice of caging bears for their raw bile
14) Endorse cruel blood sports

Perhaps others should follow my lead?

No, don't do that, I wouldn't have anyone to **** on and laugh at! ;-(

I'm saddened you laugh at animal welfare. You are sick and need help.

Oh, please respect all the others here by marking your personal issues
as off topic.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. You know your little post probably says more about you than you
intended, 'Bev @invalid.com'. ;-(

I'm sure her B12 levels are higher than yours.

Brilliant. I've recently had a blood test and it came back as 'normal'
(and I specifically asked for B12 etc tests because we were vegan)

From being economical with the truth when it suits you I simply don't
believe you.

and
you already share Bevs medical records to know that it's levels are
ok? You are even assuming your B12 levels are good simply because you
eat meat, when 40% of the population (who will be mainly meat eaters)
are B12 deficient!

There is a good chance I have good B12 levels. I just had a fix with a
beef casserole. It was gorgeous.

But then we already know you are thick. ;-(

We know differently. It is a narcissistic tendency to believe you have
the right to speak for others.

So, I'm (still) working from fact and you are still away with the
fairies!

It's a fact that more vegans are B12 deficient than meat eaters, however
much you wish this not to be true.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. If you are really upset that I don't generally reply to you, how
about stopping making up BS as all the sensible people here can see
straight though it and just talk normally for a change ... if you can
that is?

I am talking normally, when I talk using words you understand you say
I'm mirroring you. When you don't like facts I, and others, publish you
resort to abuse. Those are not traits of a normal person, but of a fanatic.

https://ibb.co/HzVPM23

You are free to have your opinion and your way of life. Why would you
think otherwise?

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

Been on my filter for ages.

T i m has a bad case of 'One True Stick'-ness. The delusion that one
single personal *interpretation* of the world is, in fact, the
world-in-itself, as Kant put it.

It is a condition that many vaguely intelligent people suffer from. It
doesn't afflict the truly thick, because they know they are truly thick
and don't pay their minds as much attention. It doesn't afflict the
truly intelligent, because they realise that their worldview is, in the
end, only a view.

But it afflicts the middle orders and their third rate brains alarmingly...

Hence Marxism, Socialism, Veganism, Environmentalism, Wokeism, Religious
fundamentalism...


--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell

On 25/04/2021 07:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his
pre-
conceived ideas.

Been on my filter for ages.


Mine too.

Another Dave

--
Change nospam to techie

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:42:58 +0100, Another Dave
wrote:

On 25/04/2021 07:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his
pre-
conceived ideas.

Been on my filter for ages.


Mine too.

Awww bless, 'cowardly killfile friends' ... ;-)

It's amazing how deep people will bury their heads in the sand to
avoid *the truth* (not just my truth).

But hey, the world is already a-changing and like it on not, everyone
will have to change their lifestyles sooner or later, even if they
want to carry on causing unnecessary death and suffering to innocent
creatures.

Cheers, T i m

On 25/04/2021 13:58, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:42:58 +0100, Another Dave
wrote:

On 25/04/2021 07:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his
pre-
conceived ideas.

Been on my filter for ages.


Mine too.

Awww bless, 'cowardly killfile friends' ... ;-)

It's amazing how deep people will bury their heads in the sand to
avoid *the truth* (not just my truth).

But hey, the world is already a-changing and like it on not, everyone
will have to change their lifestyles sooner or later, even if they
want to carry on causing unnecessary death and suffering to innocent
creatures.

Cheers, T i m

Have you ever thought why you might be in their killfile?

Could it be that more noise emanates from you consisting of mindless
waffle and abuse than anything of substance or assistance to this group.

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
Have you ever thought why you might be in their killfile?

I must admit to wondering why anyone would inform all about their killfile?

My guess is they have a rather over inflated view of their own importance?

--
*Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 07:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

Been on my filter for ages.

Because you have been a coward for ages, preferring to throw stones
over the wall than face me directly. I can't blame you though, given
you generally have **** all else.

T i m has a bad case of 'One True Stick'-ness. The delusion that one
single personal *interpretation* of the world is, in fact, the
world-in-itself, as Kant put it.

That might be the case if it were true, but as with most things you
state about me (because you are too petrified to sat 'to' me), it's
complete bollox.

If we are on the subject of veganism, I am only one and was far from
the first who knows our treatment of a subset of species is not only
(very) bad for them (especially considering it's also completely
unnecessary in most cases) but bad for us as well, as conformed by all
the medial bodies, all the environmental bodies and all the animal
rights bodies.

So the irony here it is you who are different, countering the common
thought and direction, but such is the way for basement dwelling
trolls desperate to protect their selfish way of life.

It is a condition that many vaguely intelligent people suffer from. It
doesn't afflict the truly thick, because they know they are truly thick
and don't pay their minds as much attention. It doesn't afflict the
truly intelligent, because they realise that their worldview is, in the
end, only a view.

Bwhahahahaha!! OMG, if there was ever a statement of Turnip putting
himself on some pedestal, that was it!

But it afflicts the middle orders and their third rate brains alarmingly...

Aw bless ... and that's the best he's got unfortunately. ;-(

Hence Marxism, Socialism,

Strawmen.

Veganism,

Consideration for the animals we share this rock with and we are
dependent on in many cases (for our existence, not even to consume /
exploit).

Environmentalism,

Consideration for the rock we all have to share and breath the air on
and drink the water from and are dependant on for our existence.

Wokeism, Religious
fundamentalism...

Strawmen.

Cheers, T i m

On 25/04/2021 11:36, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 07:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

Been on my filter for ages.

Because you have been a coward for ages, preferring to throw stones
over the wall than face me directly. I can't blame you though, given
you generally have **** all else.

That's a bit rich coming from you. You can never justify many aspects of
the twaddle you spout and throw abuse every time you've lost your argument.

T i m has a bad case of 'One True Stick'-ness. The delusion that one
single personal *interpretation* of the world is, in fact, the
world-in-itself, as Kant put it.

That might be the case if it were true, but as with most things you
state about me (because you are too petrified to sat 'to' me), it's
complete bollox.

If we are on the subject of veganism, I am only one and was far from
the first who knows our treatment of a subset of species is not only
(very) bad for them (especially considering it's also completely
unnecessary in most cases) but bad for us as well, as conformed by all
the medial bodies, all the environmental bodies and all the animal
rights bodies.

Really "conformed by all the medial bodies"?

As an aside, dieticians are quick to point out the deficiencies of a
vegan diet.

So the irony here it is you who are different, countering the common
thought and direction, but such is the way for basement dwelling
trolls desperate to protect their selfish way of life.

Another sign you've lost the plot resorting to abuse, not the sort of
thing you'd say to NP's face.

It is a condition that many vaguely intelligent people suffer from. It
doesn't afflict the truly thick, because they know they are truly thick
and don't pay their minds as much attention. It doesn't afflict the
truly intelligent, because they realise that their worldview is, in the
end, only a view.

Bwhahahahaha!! OMG, if there was ever a statement of Turnip putting
himself on some pedestal, that was it!

Is that agreement that you're too thick to realise you're thick?

But it afflicts the middle orders and their third rate brains alarmingly...

Aw bless ... and that's the best he's got unfortunately. ;-(

The truth hurts.

Hence Marxism, Socialism,

Strawmen.

Veganism,

Consideration for the animals we share this rock with and we are
dependent on in many cases (for our existence, not even to consume /
exploit).

If you had consideration for animals you would care about their welfare
while they're alive, and not show an insane jealousy of us eating them
when they no longer have a care in the world.

Environmentalism,

Consideration for the rock we all have to share and breath the air on
and drink the water from and are dependant on for our existence.

Wokeism, Religious
fundamentalism...

Strawmen.

Hardly when you are the very definition of fanaticism.

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

I like Tim ...

On 25/04/2021 10:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his
pre-
conceived ideas.

I like Tim ...

I expect even Bedlam got boring after a time...

--
Max Demian

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:19:01 +0100, Max Demian
wrote:

On 25/04/2021 10:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his
pre-
conceived ideas.

I like Tim ...

I expect even Bedlam got boring after a time...

You expect or know?


Cheers, T i m

On 25/04/2021 14:07, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:19:01 +0100, Max Demian
wrote:

On 25/04/2021 10:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his
pre-
conceived ideas.

I like Tim ...

I expect even Bedlam got boring after a time...

You expect or know?

Are you illiterate? The poster said "expect". Is that really so
difficult for you to accept?

On 25/04/2021 14:07, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:19:01 +0100, Max Demian
wrote:

On 25/04/2021 10:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his
pre-
conceived ideas.

I like Tim ...

I expect even Bedlam got boring after a time...

You expect or know?

I'm thinking of the audience.

--
Max Demian

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.



--
Cheers,

John.

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:48:42 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.

A bigger question might be (by comparison), what sort of contributions
has 'Bev' made to the group and how fairly are they dealing out the
victimisation?

Cheers, T i m

On 26/04/2021 15:08, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:48:42 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.

A bigger question might be (by comparison), what sort of contributions
has 'Bev' made to the group and how fairly are they dealing out the
victimisation?

Safe to say, less than your contribution, but not by much of a margin.

On 26/04/2021 15:08, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:48:42 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.

A bigger question might be (by comparison), what sort of contributions
has 'Bev' made to the group and how fairly are they dealing out the
victimisation?

Note sure if that is the bigger question, or just a case of shooting the
messenger?

There are plenty that lurk here and post infrequently, if at all. That
does not mean they are going to relish a relentless barrage of
proselytising any more than the rest of us. Be that a former poster's
incessant messages on "cultural enrichment", or a blow by blow posting
commentary from Mr speeds' vegetable peeler paramour!


--
Cheers,

John.

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In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/04/2021 15:08, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:48:42 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with his pre-
conceived ideas.

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.
A bigger question might be (by comparison), what sort of
contributions
has 'Bev' made to the group and how fairly are they dealing out the
victimisation?

Note sure if that is the bigger question, or just a case of shooting
the messenger?

There are plenty that lurk here and post infrequently, if at all. That
does not mean they are going to relish a relentless barrage of
proselytising any more than the rest of us. Be that a former poster's
incessant messages on "cultural enrichment", or a blow by blow posting
commentary from Mr speeds' vegetable peeler paramour!

There are lots of online tests for locating one's place on the Autistic
spectrum. Aspergers syndrome may be more relevant for those at the
intelligent end.

My results don't lead to a *seek help urgently* recommendation but
certainly not *middle of the road* normal:-)



--
Tim Lamb

On 27/04/2021 09:21, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/04/2021 15:08, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:48:42 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 24/04/2021 18:35, Bev wrote:
...that T i m knows everything, is always correct in what he says and
that no amount of help and information will ever persuade him
otherwise.

That way we can all save time and effort in responding to his requests
for information when he ignores it anyway as it does not fit with
his pre-
conceived ideas.

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.
Â*A bigger question might be (by comparison), what sort of contributions
has 'Bev' made to the group and how fairly are they dealing out the
victimisation?

Note sure if that is the bigger question, or just a case of shooting
the messenger?

There are plenty that lurk here and post infrequently, if at all. That
does not mean they are going to relish a relentless barrage of
proselytising any more than the rest of us. Be that a former poster's
incessant messages on "cultural enrichment", or a blow by blow posting
commentary from Mr speeds' vegetable peeler paramour!

There are lots of online tests for locating one's place on the Autistic
spectrum. Aspergers syndrome may be more relevant for those at the
intelligent end.

For those at the intelligent end they can learn empathy, effect and
result. A fanatic by definition is not going to be at the 'intelligent end'.

My results don't lead to a *seek help urgently* recommendation but
certainly not *middle of the road* normal:-)

I would put it in the 'recommended' area if only to show their campaign
is counterproductive.

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.



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Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup. Speaking of whom we do not seem to have heard anything from him for quite a while.

Richard

In article ,
Tricky Dicky wrote:

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.



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Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.
Speaking of whom we do not seem to have heard anything from him for quite
a while.

Richard

don't tempt fate

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"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tricky Dicky wrote:

On the occasions that one can converse with him while he is not fully
"on message", it's quite possible to have a pleasant enough discussion
on a number of topics, and he will usually be helpful and generous with
his skills and experience.

Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.
Speaking of whom we do not seem to have heard anything from him for quite
a while.

don't tempt fate

Unlikely he is lurking waiting for someone to mention him, stupid.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:39:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

snip

Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.

How so? Harry used to go on about things that advantaged him, what
(direct) advantage is it to me if I ask people to consider aligning
their actions with their morals (unless your morals dictate that you
think it's ok to do anything you like to any animal)?

Everything I've stated is supported by both millions of other people
and all the science so what's your issue, other than your own
ignorance or selfishness of course?

Cheers, T i m

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:32 AM UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

snip
Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.
How so? Harry used to go on about things that advantaged him, what
(direct) advantage is it to me if I ask people to consider aligning
their actions with their morals (unless your morals dictate that you
think it's ok to do anything you like to any animal)?

Everything I've stated is supported by both millions of other people
and all the science so what's your issue, other than your own
ignorance or selfishness of course?

Cheers, T i m

Oh dear, oh dear! There was I thinking I had posted a semi-supportive comment, quoting the final paragraph of Johns post, using the word regrettably and now I am ignorant or selfish simply for pointing out how you have become the target of much of the vitriol that Harry was subject to.

A not very cheerful
Richard

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 03:39:39 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:55:32 AM UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

snip
Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.
How so? Harry used to go on about things that advantaged him, what
(direct) advantage is it to me if I ask people to consider aligning
their actions with their morals (unless your morals dictate that you
think it's ok to do anything you like to any animal)?

Everything I've stated is supported by both millions of other people
and all the science so what's your issue, other than your own
ignorance or selfishness of course?

Cheers, T i m

Oh dear, oh dear! There was I thinking I had posted a semi-supportive comment,

'Semi-supportive', linking me to someone I assumed you were
referencing because of the negative connotations (it can be read
either way). And this is as seen in an environment where the chances
are those who support the concept of veganism aren't likely to say so,
because of the toxicity of the carnists / trolls, so it's more common
to be attacked than supported.

quoting the final paragraph of Johns post,

Someone whom I respect in general but who has a very different
viewpoint on veganism etc?

using the word regrettably

Regrettably. ;-).

and now I am ignorant or selfish simply for pointing out how you have become the target of much of the vitriol that Harry was subject to.

Not so. There I was referring to peoples understanding / attitude
towards animals (and not even yours specifically as I don't know them,
just going by current stats etc). See, IDGAF what people think of me
for raising awareness of the animal suffering etc as long as they
stick to the facts and are honest about themselves.


A not very cheerful
Richard

Sorry if you thought you were being 'supportive' and if I took it the
wrong way.

Cheers, T i m

On Tuesday, 27 April 2021 at 10:55:32 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

snip
Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.
How so? Harry used to go on about things that advantaged him, what
(direct) advantage is it to me if I ask people to consider aligning
their actions with their morals (unless your morals dictate that you
think it's ok to do anything you like to any animal)?

You've been supporting the idea of staying in the EU which supports the transporation of
animals for slaugter between countries and overseas.
Activly and encourage subsidising meat eating and producing dairy products to sell cheap to other counties
that could produce their own.
They support bull fighting, force feeding for foie gra and fishing industry.
Also in germany seems ok to have nearly 10X the number of coal powerstations than the UK has.


Everything I've stated is supported by both millions of other people

You mean the 74 million Trump supporters that's more than the number of UK voters
that voted to leave and join the EU and yet you think the 25K odd spoilt papers are the key
inteligent people without even know how or why the spoilt their papers.
We know some placed marks outside the box some voted for more than one option.
But seem to think these peolpe are the most inteligent and want change.

and all the science so what's your issue, other than your own
ignorance or selfishness of course?

Well, surley science is logic, maths , fact and reason and that is what left brainers do,
where as right brainers use is for arts , imagination, feelings and rhythum etc...

So maybe it's time for yuo to try to use the other part of your brain the left side if it exists and functions
normally that is, unless you only have a right brain user as you appear to claim.


Cheers, T i m

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 04:05:19 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Tuesday, 27 April 2021 at 10:55:32 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

snip
Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.
How so? Harry used to go on about things that advantaged him, what
(direct) advantage is it to me if I ask people to consider aligning
their actions with their morals (unless your morals dictate that you
think it's ok to do anything you like to any animal)?

You've been supporting the idea of staying in the EU which supports the transporation of
animals for slaugter between countries and overseas.

Oh are you still here sigh

No, I 'wasn't in support of staying in the EU'. How could I have been
when I spoiled my paper rather than voting Leave?

so snip irrelevancies

Everything I've stated is supported by both millions of other people

You mean the 74 million Trump supporters that's more than the number of UK voters
that voted to leave and join the EU and yet you think the 25K odd spoilt papers are the key
inteligent people without even know how or why the spoilt their papers.

Nope. You are doing your crazy rambling thing again.

We know some placed marks outside the box some voted for more than one option.

Well done?

But seem to think these peolpe are the most inteligent and want change.

Who does?

and all the science so what's your issue, other than your own
ignorance or selfishness of course?

Well, surley science is logic, maths , fact

It is?

snip rambling

Just to save you some time, I'll not bother replying to you again till
you get back on the meds. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 27/04/2021 10:55, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

snip

Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.

How so? Harry used to go on about things that advantaged him, what

There was a time where that was true - in the early days at least -
super insulated homes, Feed in Tariffs etc. Some of that was at least
vaguely related to house maintenance and improvement - even if there was
an element of "look what I have managed to screw out of the system".

Over time however the bulk of his commentary moved to posting links to
his own personal pet agenda to cast all Muslims and all those of middle
eastern origin as child molesters or terrorists. That was not a
discussion or chat or banter or even an argument, just a never ending
diatribe.

(direct) advantage is it to me if I ask people to consider aligning
their actions with their morals (unless your morals dictate that you
think it's ok to do anything you like to any animal)?

Everything I've stated is supported by both millions of other people
and all the science so what's your issue, other than your own
ignorance or selfishness of course?

The issue I expect for many is that you have made your point many many
times now, in threads ostensibly about other things. Many people have
given you their considered responses, and now feel its time to move on.

I appreciate that not seeing others experiencing a "road to Damascus"
conversion similar to your own might be disappointing, but that does not
mean that we failed to give consideration to your point or did not hear
your message. Just that in some cases have formed a different opinions.

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:19:07 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 27/04/2021 10:55, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

snip

Regrettably Tim seems to have become the new Harry on this newsgroup.

How so? Harry used to go on about things that advantaged him, what

There was a time where that was true - in the early days at least -
super insulated homes, Feed in Tariffs etc. Some of that was at least
vaguely related to house maintenance and improvement - even if there was
an element of "look what I have managed to screw out of the system".

Yes, that's what I was remembering ...

Over time however the bulk of his commentary moved to posting links to
his own personal pet agenda to cast all Muslims and all those of middle
eastern origin as child molesters or terrorists. That was not a
discussion or chat or banter or even an argument, just a never ending
diatribe.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that, thanks. Unfortunately, that makes
any reference to him and I being similar even worse, as he was
attacking innocent people and I'm trying to protect innocent
creatures?

(direct) advantage is it to me if I ask people to consider aligning
their actions with their morals (unless your morals dictate that you
think it's ok to do anything you like to any animal)?

Everything I've stated is supported by both millions of other people
and all the science so what's your issue, other than your own
ignorance or selfishness of course?

The issue I expect for many is that you have made your point many many
times now,

Most of the 'repetition' is in the vague hope that those who later
exposed themselves to be trolls were putting up genuine points.

in threads ostensibly about other things.

But the drift often started by other people.

Many people have
given you their considered responses, and now feel its time to move on.

Of course, any obviously they have every right to not read and
certainly not reply if it's something they have heard before.

However, there are people who may come and go and who may not have a
specific interest in say veganism but might be interested to learn
things that make someone become a vegan. We are actually talking about
things that cover a whole range of RW things that look to be likely to
affect all of us and in many, possibly not so obvious areas (like car
tyres or wood treatments).

I appreciate that not seeing others experiencing a "road to Damascus"
conversion

Isn't that a tautology John? ;-)

similar to your own might be disappointing,

It might if I expected that of anyone here, but I don't.

but that does not
mean that we failed to give consideration to your point or did not hear
your message.

Already accepted, just that not everyone seems to 'get it' *yet*, like
NT's questions about the existence of vegan chocolate!

Just that in some cases have formed a different opinions.

But have potentially formed them in ignorance (see above).

And the use of the term 'ignorance' isn't a slur on them as I was in a
similar position over a year ago, or more in my case that I was aware
but hadn't bothered looking closely (but / so was still 'ignorant' of
all the facts and options), cognitive dissonance etc.

The frustration doesn't come from the trolls (I quite like watching
them dig those holes so deep weg) or Ex(?) 'farmers' like Mr Lamb
(who I have previously broken bread with on more than one occasion and
who is also 'a nice guy') but maybe people like you, people I respect
and who in 'every other' area we have ever discussed, have shown me a
sensible, intelligent, knowledgeable logical and considerate person.

You have made your position clear (that you consider it 'ok' to
consume and use ('use' sounds less confrontational / provocative than
'exploit', even of not quite so accurate) animals for your own needs
and desires) ... and that you may be 'cutting down' or at least
putting more consideration into what meat you eat (and not even
because of anything I have said etc), but it's the former that still
leaves me confused (partly because of the latter).

Like, I can see how it might be difficult to explain / persuade
someone older (your parents) as it is my own Mum. She gives money to
the donkey sanctuary and helps rehabilitate dogs but serves us up
chicken when I have told her we are we aren't eating any meat. 'You
have been eating meat for 60 years' was her only explanation. Funnily
she doesn't try the same track with dairy because she knows I was
advise off that by the doctor so it's only my personal choice she has
an issue with and is confused about.

Daughter, her B/f and the step niece are all vegan, niece and hubby
are vegan and my sister and hubby and cutting out nearly all red meat
(mainly because of health scares so on medical advice).

Some of our friends also happen to be vegi / vegan, individually, just
him / her and not the kids or the whole family. It's also interesting
to see how many on TV are also vegan (or at least vegi). [1]

So, I would be interested to learn how much of your current position
is a function of others, if any (family / friends) or what it is that
would allow you to be logically inconsistent (as you don't seem to be
the sort of person who would hurt a cat or dog), especially for 'no
(good, by it's standards) reason'?

You have my email address if you prefer to answer that offline.

Cheers, T i m

[1[ You may have seen mention elsewhere recently where Bill Bailey was
on a TV cooking show and was offered duck and mentioned how that *now*
made him feel uneasy because he has two pet ducks. I think Jeremy Vine
was on something similar and reacted similarly, didn't want to eat it
when it still looked like the animal it once was. Aren't these just
more examples of cognitive dissonance?