Rod Speed wrote:
#Paul wrote
Rod Speed wrote:

Bull**** with the best fingerprint and
facial recognition on your phone.

Why is it you think your phone is trustworthy?

Because I realise that apple goes out of its way to ensure that
there is no way to get your biometric data out of the phone.

Especially if it's an android,

It isnt.

OK. To directly quote your good self, you said
"on your phone". You did not say "on my phone",
or "on Apple phones".

Your use of "your phone" means that what you wrote
(even if perhaps not what you meant) was referring
to phones used by other people; and (smart)phones
used by "other" people are, by a great majority,
Android phones.

If you want to make a statement about your own
smartphone-based security situation, or about that
of those who have Apple phones, then don't phrase
it as a general remark that reads as if applicable
to (most) other people.

Lastly, another quote:

Bull**** with the best fingerprint and
facial recognition on your phone.

There is no reason particular to believe that Apple
(since they are now brought into the discussion)
has notably better fingerprint or recognition than
other comparable types of phone.

But what counts here is that they have a better and
more tightly controlled security model; so it is that
which would have been the thing to menion, i.e. perhaps

"Bull**** with a securely designed and recently
updated iphone like mine"



#Paul

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On 27/02/2021 11:03, John Towill wrote:
Sad to say the scammers have won, they have made it incredibly
difficult to operate a savings account on line, blast and damn
them

The government are remarkably releuctant to issue Covid vaccine
passports but have done nothing about the fact that for all
practical purpose you have to own a mobile phone as banks like
to use them to verify who you are.

doesn't need to be a smart phone though

my candy bar works perfectly well for such verification

Huh! Amazon 2 factor requires me to click a link:-(

last time I looked

Amazon wasn't a bank

Indeed. Same assumption that all customers have a smart phone though.

I'm not sure what you did that required a Smartphone

my last order was made entirely on my laptop

and the delivery indication came as an SMS to my dumb phone

They already had my mobile number.

The general tone from the guy on their help line was invoking 2FA is an
inertia action. A bit like prime.

He didn't say but the inference was you have to actively reject it or
chose SMS / *click link*.

Is it a case that you can't log into the Amazon site from a PC without
using the 2FA?

you can certainly log on

just done it

you can add things to a basket

can't verify whether you need it to complete such a purchase

I have nothing I want to buy ATM

Have you given them a mobile phone number?

I must have done

I got a "the driver is outside your door" text message

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On 27/02/2021 11:03, John Towill wrote:
Sad to say the scammers have won, they have made it incredibly
difficult to operate a savings account on line, blast and damn
them

The government are remarkably releuctant to issue Covid vaccine
passports but have done nothing about the fact that for all
practical purpose you have to own a mobile phone as banks like
to use them to verify who you are.

doesn't need to be a smart phone though

my candy bar works perfectly well for such verification

Huh! Amazon 2 factor requires me to click a link:-(

last time I looked

Amazon wasn't a bank

Indeed. Same assumption that all customers have a smart phone
though.

I'm not sure what you did that required a Smartphone

my last order was made entirely on my laptop

and the delivery indication came as an SMS to my dumb phone

They already had my mobile number.

The general tone from the guy on their help line was invoking 2FA is
an inertia action. A bit like prime.

He didn't say but the inference was you have to actively reject it or
chose SMS / *click link*.

Is it a case that you can't log into the Amazon site from a PC without
using the 2FA?

you can certainly log on

just done it

you can add things to a basket

can't verify whether you need it to complete such a purchase

I have nothing I want to buy ATM

Have you given them a mobile phone number?

I must have done

I got a "the driver is outside your door" text message

So I just went into my account to check my details

and whilst it seems that I can buy things, I can't log onto my account
details to inspect them unless I verify myself

by clicking on the link :-(

I've just initiated the process to turn this off

which is sad because in principle I like to have this level of security.
But I can't have it, because some numpty company have implement it on the
basis that "everyone" owns a smart phone, don't they?

Well No, that's why no-one else implements it this way

On 03/03/2021 16:33, tim... wrote:

and whilst it seems that I can buy things, I can't log onto my account
details to inspect them unless I verify myself

by clicking on the link :-(

I've just initiated the process to turn this off

which is sad because in principle I like to have this level of security.
But I can't have it, because some numpty company have implement it on
the basis that "everyone" owns a smart phone, don't they?

Well No, that's why no-one else implements it this way


That sounds nuts.

Why not vote with feet? You don't have to use this shopping service.

OTOH, if you do, then don't let them store a card number.

If you must, then credit card only, NOT debit.
They have unlimited access to ya bank account.

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Adrian C

Chris B wrote
Rod Speed wrote
#Paul wrote
Rod Speed wrote:

The biometric data that is kept on the phone
very securely ONLY allows the phone to see
if the fingerprint or face matches, it can't be
reversed to produce a fingerprint or face so
even the best forensics cant take a phone that
a crim has managed to leave at the scene and
turn into a fingerprint or face so they can work
out who the criminal actually is.

One of the security issues with fingerprint readers is that they still
work when you are asleep. (Not a problem if you lose your phone but can be
a problem for those in abusive relationships).

I'm not convinced that its much of a real issue.
It wouldn’t be that easy to use the finger of a
sleeping person without waking them.

If a phone was lost at the scene of a crime are law enforcement allowed to
ask suspects to just put your thumb here for a moment?

That varys with the jurisdiction.

Surely the same applies to face rec - hold the phone up to a suspects face
and job done.

Not necessarily, the best ones don’t work with closed eyes.

Bet they wished they used a PIN now.

Rod Speed wrote
Chris B wrote
Rod Speed wrote
#Paul wrote
Rod Speed wrote:

The biometric data that is kept on the phone
very securely ONLY allows the phone to see
if the fingerprint or face matches, it can't be
reversed to produce a fingerprint or face so
even the best forensics cant take a phone that
a crim has managed to leave at the scene and
turn into a fingerprint or face so they can work
out who the criminal actually is.

One of the security issues with fingerprint readers is that they still
work when you are asleep. (Not a problem if you lose your phone but can
be a problem for those in abusive relationships).

I'm not convinced that its much of a real issue.
It wouldn’t be that easy to use the finger of a
sleeping person without waking them.

If a phone was lost at the scene of a crime are law enforcement allowed
to ask suspects to just put your thumb here for a moment?

That varys with the jurisdiction.

Surely the same applies to face rec - hold the phone up to a suspects
face and job done.

Not necessarily, the best ones don’t work with closed eyes.

Bet they wished they used a PIN now.

Nothing to stop you turning the facial recognition off before doing the
crime.

#Paul wrote
Rod Speed wrote
#Paul wrote
Rod Speed wrote:

Bull**** with the best fingerprint and
facial recognition on your phone.

Why is it you think your phone is trustworthy?

Because I realise that apple goes out of its way to ensure that
there is no way to get your biometric data out of the phone.

Especially if it's an android,

It isnt.

OK. To directly quote your good self, you said "on your phone".
You did not say "on my phone", or "on Apple phones".

Because I know Brian has an iphone.

Your use of "your phone" means that what you
wrote (even if perhaps not what you meant)
was referring to phones used by other people;

Nope, Brian's iphone.

and (smart)phones used by "other" people
are, by a great majority, Android phones.

Irrelevant to what phone Brian has.

If you want to make a statement about your
own smartphone-based security situation, or
about that of those who have Apple phones,
then don't phrase it as a general remark that
reads as if applicable to (most) other people.

Go and **** yourself.

I don’t write my posts so that no stupid nit picker can't
nit pick because that makes posts too hard to read.

Lastly, another quote:

Bull**** with the best fingerprint and
facial recognition on your phone.

There is no reason particular to believe that Apple
(since they are now brought into the discussion)
has notably better fingerprint or recognition than
other comparable types of phone.

There is in fact every reason to believe that because
we have seen plenty of attempts to fool the fingerprint
and facial recognition systems with fake fingers and
photos and have in fact found that its much harder
to do with the best system, on iphones.

But what counts here is that they have a better
and more tightly controlled security model;

And they have that too, particularly not storing
anything on the phone that can ever be turned
back into a fingerprint or picture of your face.

so it is that which would have been
the thing to menion, i.e. perhaps

"Bull**** with a securely designed and
recently updated iphone like mine"

When I want you to proof read my posts, I will ring
this bell. In the mean time, go and **** yourself, again.

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 05:44:17 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID:

"Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard
man" on the InterNet."
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"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
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