Got a new washing machine and only accepts cold water, old fitting include hot, the hot water valve is faulty, turned water off in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot water comes via combi boiler that doesnt seem to be supplied from stopcock, at a loss nearly flooded myself. Any help much appreciated

wrote:

turned water off in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot
water comes via combi boiler that doesnt seem to be supplied from
stopcock, at a loss nearly flooded myself.

If it *is* combi boiler then hot water should be supplied from cold
stopcock, presumably you have no hot water tank?

If you turn on a different hot tap what do you get from there?

wrote:
Got a new washing machine and only accepts cold water,

That is generally the way of things these days...


old fitting include hot, the hot water valve is faulty, turned water off
in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot water comes via combi
boiler that doesnt seem to be supplied from stopcock, at a loss
nearly flooded myself. Any help much appreciated


You combi boiler should have a valve on the cold water inlet somewhere.
Turn that off and that should stop all flow from your hot taps. Turning
off your main stopcock should also do this so whatever you turned off
before either *isnt* your main stop cock or you have a hot water tank
youve not told us about. ;-)

Tim

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On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 13:30:33 UTC, Tim+ wrote:
wrote:
Got a new washing machine and only accepts cold water,
That is generally the way of things these days...
old fitting include hot, the hot water valve is faulty, turned water off
in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot water comes via combi
boiler that doesnt seem to be supplied from stopcock, at a loss
nearly flooded myself. Any help much appreciated

You combi boiler should have a valve on the cold water inlet somewhere.
Turn that off and that should stop all flow from your hot taps. Turning
off your main stopcock should also do this so whatever you turned off
before either *isnt* your main stop cock or you have a hot water tank
youve not told us about. ;-)

Tim

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Thanks Tim
No hot water tank all goes through combi boiler, it seems as if hot water to machine comes straight from there. Looks like I will need to stop water in the whole block, unless I can isolate the water going to machine, when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I dont get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect - sorry new home and new to this
Suzanne

On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 13:00:49 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
wrote:

turned water off in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot
water comes via combi boiler that doesnt seem to be supplied from
stopcock, at a loss nearly flooded myself.
If it *is* combi boiler then hot water should be supplied from cold
stopcock, presumably you have no hot water tank?

If you turn on a different hot tap what do you get from there?


Hiya

No hot water tank all goes through combi boiler, it seems as if hot water to machine comes straight from there. Looks like I will need to stop water in the whole block, unless I can isolate the water going to machine, when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I dont get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect - sorry new home and new to this
Thanks
Suzanne

On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 13:00:49 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
suzibewrote:

turned water off in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot
water comes via combi boiler that doesnt seem to be supplied from
stopcock, at a loss nearly flooded myself.
If it *is* combi boiler then hot water should be supplied from cold
stopcock, presumably you have no hot water tank?

If you turn on a different hot tap what do you get from there?

No hot water tank all goes through combi boiler, it seems as if hot water to machine comes straight from there. Looks like I will need to stop water in the whole block, unless I can isolate the water going to machine, when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I dont get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect - sorry new home and new to this
Thanks

Suzanne Bell wrote:

when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I dont
get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of
pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect

Just what's left in the pipework, or gushing out at mains pressure, get
a bucket and few towels and find out of it stops ... if it does you can
cap-off the faulty valve, e.g.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/bsp-blank-nut-x/39553

On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 13:48:56 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Suzanne Bell wrote:

when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I dont
get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of
pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect
Just what's left in the pipework, or gushing out at mains pressure, get
a bucket and few towels and find out of it stops ... if it does you can
cap-off the faulty valve, e.g.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/bsp-blank-nut-x/39553

Thanks will give it a go - Currys guys wouldnt touch it today

laid this down on his screen :
Got a new washing machine and only accepts cold water,

That is normal with modern machines. They use so little water, that by
the time the hot water fills the pipework and actually gets to the
machine, there is no advantage to it trying to hot fill. They waste
more hot, than if they cold filled and heated the water themselves.

On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 14:00:19 UTC, wrote:
On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 13:48:56 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Suzanne Bell wrote:

when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I dont
get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of
pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect
Just what's left in the pipework, or gushing out at mains pressure, get
a bucket and few towels and find out of it stops ... if it does you can
cap-off the faulty valve, e.g.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/bsp-blank-nut-x/39553
Thanks will give it a go - Currys guys wouldnt touch it today

If the stopcock you are turning off stops both hot and cold then that suggests that it is the €œmain€� stopcock. If that is the case then if your boiler is mounted high on a wall then very likely your washing machine hot valve is at the lowest point in relation to kitchen or bathroom taps so what is coming out is probably what is left in the pipe work. A couple of buckets should account for that.

On the inlet pipe for the boiler there should be stopcock or isolating valve shutting that will stop any flow in the hot water part of the system but still allow you to have cold water.

Richard

Andy Burns wrote in news:i0nmu3Fu4vnU1
@mid.individual.net:

Suzanne Bell wrote:

when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I dont
get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of
pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect

Just what's left in the pipework, or gushing out at mains pressure, get
a bucket and few towels and find out of it stops ... if it does you can
cap-off the faulty valve, e.g.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/bsp-blank-nut-x/39553

I don't think these are supplied with a sealing washer so these will be
needed too:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/washer/6039j

or washer could be pinched from the now redundant hot water hose.

Peter Burke wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

you can cap-off the faulty valve, e.g.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/bsp-blank-nut-x/39553

I don't think these are supplied with a sealing washer

They do come with a rubber disc, rather than a washer

so these will be needed too:
https://www.screwfix.com/p/washer/6039j

No harm having some spare washers around though.

On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 14:51:19 UTC, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 14:00:19 UTC, gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 13:48:56 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Suzanne Bell wrote:

when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I dont
get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of
pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect
Just what's left in the pipework, or gushing out at mains pressure, get
a bucket and few towels and find out of it stops ... if it does you can
cap-off the faulty valve, e.g.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/bsp-blank-nut-x/39553
Thanks will give it a go - Currys guys wouldnt touch it today
If the stopcock you are turning off stops both hot and cold then that suggests that it is the €œmain€� stopcock. If that is the case then if your boiler is mounted high on a wall then very likely your washing machine hot valve is at the lowest point in relation to kitchen or bathroom taps so what is coming out is probably what is left in the pipe work. A couple of buckets should account for that.

On the inlet pipe for the boiler there should be stopcock or isolating valve shutting that will stop any flow in the hot water part of the system but still allow you to have cold water.

Richard

Thanks Richard I will try to locate that

On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 06:00:16 -0800 (PST), Suzanne Bell wrote:

Thanks will give it a go - Curry s guys wouldn t touch it today

Don't forget to claim back any "installation" fee you paid, as they
failed to do that. I expect Currys will try an wriggle out of
refunding that part but don't let 'em get away with it. It'll
slightly compensate for your time sorting their failure out.

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Dave.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 06:51:15 -0800 (PST), Tricky Dicky wrote:

On the inlet pipe for the boiler there should be stopcock or isolating
valve shutting that will stop any flow in the hot water part of the
system but still allow you to have cold water.

And it might be wise to turn the power off to the boiler so if it
sees any flow it doesn't try to fire up or fire up if the CH demands
heat. The latter might not matter, I'm not 100% up on how these
complex modern combi boilers work...

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Andy Burns wrote in news:i0nrpmFimaU1
@mid.individual.net:

Peter Burke wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

you can cap-off the faulty valve, e.g.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/bsp-blank-nut-x/39553

I don't think these are supplied with a sealing washer

They do come with a rubber disc, rather than a washer


Useful info thx, my 2 here had no disc/washer so I assumed, no idea where I
got them,

On 07/11/2020 14:43, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
laid this down on his screen :
Got a new washing machine and only accepts cold water,

That is normal with modern machines. They use so little water, that by
the time the hot water fills the pipework and actually gets to the
machine, there is no advantage to it trying to hot fill. They waste more
hot, than if they cold filled and heated the water themselves.


The main reason is that to remove many common stains a cold wash is
first required in order not to cook them in and make them permanent. The
water is then brought up to temperature if required.

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alan_m wrote on 07/11/2020 :
The main reason is that to remove many common stains a cold wash is first
required in order not to cook them in and make them permanent. The water is
then brought up to temperature if required.

A hot and cold fill machine could still allow a cold fill, if needed.

On 07/11/2020 22:40, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
alan_m wrote on 07/11/2020 :
The main reason is that to remove many common stains a cold wash is
first required in order not to cook them in and make them permanent.
The water is then brought up to temperature if required.

A hot and cold fill machine could still allow a cold fill, if needed.

The machine already has enough cold water for the full wash from the
initial cold water fill.

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Stop end with rubber washer?
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Got a new washing machine and only accepts cold water, old fitting include
hot, the hot water valve is faulty, turned water off in flat at stopcock,
should be ok right, wrong hot water comes via combi boiler that doesn't seem
to be supplied from stopcock, at a loss nearly flooded myself. Any help
much appreciated

These are usually gate valves, mine is I'd seems pretty good. However if you
still have the old hose can you not screw that back on and put a pair of
mole grips to pinch off the flow while you get somebody to trace the flow
and then finally fit a new valve once the pressure is off.

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On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 13:00:49 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
wrote:

turned water off in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot
water comes via combi boiler that doesn't seem to be supplied from
stopcock, at a loss nearly flooded myself.
If it *is* combi boiler then hot water should be supplied from cold
stopcock, presumably you have no hot water tank?

If you turn on a different hot tap what do you get from there?


Hiya

No hot water tank all goes through combi boiler, it seems as if hot water to
machine comes straight from there. Looks like I will need to stop water in
the whole block, unless I can isolate the water going to machine, when I
isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I don't get any water
from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out of pipe at washing
machine if I try to disconnect - sorry new home and new to this
Thanks
Suzanne

Suzanne Bell wrote:
On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 13:30:33 UTC, Tim+ wrote:
wrote:
Got a new washing machine and only accepts cold water,
That is generally the way of things these days...
old fitting include hot, the hot water valve is faulty, turned water off
in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot water comes via combi
boiler that doesnt seem to be supplied from stopcock, at a loss
nearly flooded myself. Any help much appreciated

You combi boiler should have a valve on the cold water inlet somewhere.
Turn that off and that should stop all flow from your hot taps. Turning
off your main stopcock should also do this so whatever you turned off
before either *isnt* your main stop cock or you have a hot water tank
youve not told us about. ;-)

Tim

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Thanks Tim
No hot water tank all goes through combi boiler, it seems as if hot water
to machine comes straight from there. Looks like I will need to stop
water in the whole block, unless I can isolate the water going to
machine, when I isolate the water in the flat via stopcock in cupboard I
dont get any water from hot or cold tap but water is still gushing out
of pipe at washing machine if I try to disconnect - sorry new home and new to this
Suzanne


Did you leave a hot tap open whilst you were doing this? It may have been
water just draining out of the pipework. Closing all the other taps to stop
air entering the pipes will minimise this.

If its mains pressure hot water then youre getting free hot water from
someone elses system. ;-)

Tim

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On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 12:43:59 UTC, Suzanne Bell wrote:
Got a new washing machine and only accepts cold water, old fitting include hot, the hot water valve is faulty, turned water off in flat at stopcock, should be ok right, wrong hot water comes via combi boiler that doesnt seem to be supplied from stopcock, at a loss nearly flooded myself. Any help much appreciated

Thanks everyone for the advice, all sorted, as you all said, water left in pipe, pressure making it seem worse than what it is, valve wasnt faulty but blunt capped it anyway just in case! Currys fitting package never again, now on to fight for money back! New washing machine fitted - happy me!
Thanks again 😀

In article , Harry Bloomfield
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alan_m wrote on 07/11/2020 :
The main reason is that to remove many common stains a cold wash is
first required in order not to cook them in and make them permanent.
The water is then brought up to temperature if required.

A hot and cold fill machine could still allow a cold fill, if needed.
A) Much simpler and usually more efficient to cold fill then heat. With
hot fill given that some cold water will enter first it is then
necessary to input the hot water at a higher temperature than the final
target. This may be too high for the wash content.
B) It's an EU rule.
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