I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650 Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg - unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?

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On 31/10/2020 13:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650 Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg - unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?

One option would be to put in NiMH which are still available. Some
chargers (e.g. my Makita one) are compatible. That said, I've got a
NiCad Ryobi drill plus angle drill plus all the bits in the bag of
"metal" scrap ready to go to the tip because ICBA to re-cell it.

Even the Aldi/Lidl LiIon drills have more oomph than the old NiCad ones.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg - unless
someone knows different?

I have one of these
https://amazon.co.uk/DA331DZ/dp/B00I5LCDQA

But I think Makita are phasing-out tools that take the BL batteries?

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Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg -
unless someone knows different?

I have one of these
https://amazon.co.uk/DA331DZ/dp/B00I5LCDQA

But I think Makita are phasing-out tools that take the BL batteries?

Think with a battery and charger, would cost a lot more than my pipe dream?

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On 31/10/2020 13:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650 Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg - unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?


Only in a slightly indirect way. With my old NiMh platform Makita combi
drill and ID, I bought adaptor modules that allow them to be connected
to a modern LXT battery. Whether you can find similar for the Wickes one
may depend on the OEM. Some of their better "pro" cordless tools were
made by Kress. Might be worth looking to see if you can identify the
drill maker to give a wider set of search terms.

(or check out the 3D model site like thigiverse to see if there is
something appropriate you could download).


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On 31/10/2020 14:00, newshound wrote:
On 31/10/2020 13:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650 Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg -
unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?

One option would be to put in NiMH which are still available. Some
chargers (e.g. my Makita one) are compatible. That said, I've got a
NiCad Ryobi drill plus angle drill plus all the bits in the bag of
"metal" scrap ready to go to the tip because ICBA to re-cell it.

Even the Aldi/Lidl LiIon drills have more oomph than the old NiCad ones.

The cost of a new Li-ion screwdriver was less than the cost of
re-celling my ancient Makita NiCd one.

The batteries are the main part of the cost in these things

You could build an 18v Lion pack if you were prepared to buy a separate
charger

Or at least a 16.8V (4s) or 21V (5s) one!



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M. de Voltaire

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650 Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg - unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?


Ive just done that
Lidl were selling a 20volt Li-Ion battery and charger for £19
and i fitted it to an old but still useful Blue Bosch drill

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Mark wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650 Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg - unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?


Ive just done that
Lidl were selling a 20volt Li-Ion battery and charger for £19
and i fitted it to an old but still useful Blue Bosch drill

Can you give details on how? That would be an ideal way.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mark wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty
well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650
Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg -
unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?


Ive just done that
Lidl were selling a 20volt Li-Ion battery and charger for £19
and i fitted it to an old but still useful Blue Bosch drill

Can you give details on how? That would be an ideal way.

I made the Lidl battery fit on to the top casing of the old Bosch battery
you can buy adaptors which is where i got the idea, for some makes but maybe
not for a wickes drill or Lidl battery




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Dave Plowman wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I think Makita are phasing-out tools that take the BL batteries?

Think with a battery and charger, would cost a lot more than my pipe dream?

Yes, over a year ago the DA331D kit inc charger and batt (same part
number without the Z) was being flogged off, now I can't see it under £126.

Is this to do with drilling between joists in your ceiling refurb?

If so, an impact driver with a stubby four-flute auger makes a pretty
short combo and should get in there ...

What about some kind of stand alone battery. Surely there must be some, only
issue would be the thick cable needed.
Brian

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650 Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg - unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?

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Yes that is one thing you need to consider, can the motor stand the actual
amps deliverable from the new battery against the old nicads?
Brian

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On 31/10/2020 13:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I have an ancient 18v one of these - uses Ni-Cads. All the batteries for
that - including the one I had refurbished at vast cost - are pretty well
dead. And the refurbished one never delivered the same power as the
originals. It is a useful drill in that it has an add on right angle
adaptor, so handy for the odd awkward space.

There's plenty room inside a battery case for 18v worth of 18650 Li-Ion,
and I do realise I'd need to mod the charger too.

Dedicated right angle cordless drills seem to be an arm and a leg -
unless
someone knows different?

Anyone done this sort of mod?

One option would be to put in NiMH which are still available. Some
chargers (e.g. my Makita one) are compatible. That said, I've got a NiCad
Ryobi drill plus angle drill plus all the bits in the bag of "metal" scrap
ready to go to the tip because ICBA to re-cell it.

Even the Aldi/Lidl LiIon drills have more oomph than the old NiCad ones.

In article , Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
wrote:
What about some kind of stand alone battery. Surely there must be some,
only issue would be the thick cable needed.
Brian

Problem would be the battery to drill connection. Unless you can by a slot
in connector that could be fitted to the drill. Ideally, I'd use an 18v
Li-Ion that fits my several Lidl tools, as I have lots. Did wonder about
butchering a charger to get the socket, as I have more chargers for these
than I need. But the battery latches into the tool, but not charger.

I suspect the easiest way would be to take all the guts out of one of
those Lidl batteries and fit them inside the Wickes battery (IIRC, the
drill was made by Krell) And do the same with the Wickes charger. The Lidl
charger only has two contacts to the battery.

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Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:
Yes that is one thing you need to consider, can the motor stand the
actual amps deliverable from the new battery against the old nicads?

Is there much of a difference between the peak current decent Ni-Cads can
deliver and Li-Ion? The pack I had re-celled is nothing like as good as
the originals.

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On 01/11/2020 11:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:
Yes that is one thing you need to consider, can the motor stand the
actual amps deliverable from the new battery against the old nicads?

Is there much of a difference between the peak current decent Ni-Cads can
deliver and Li-Ion? The pack I had re-celled is nothing like as good as
the originals.

There is quite a variation in the max current output from LiIon cells as
well, depending on what they are optimised for. So for example: LG MH1 €“
18650 Battery[1], good for 10A continuos, vs Sony/ Murata VTC5A €“ 18650
Battery[2] rated for 25A continuos or 35A if you can limit the temp to
80 deg C.

[1] https://18650.uk/product/lg-mh1-18650-battery/
[2] https://18650.uk/product/sony-vtc5a-18650-battery/

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