I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0

On 05/03/19 09:53, whisky-dave wrote:
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0

Two things strange about that - the "frequently" and the price of that
drill bit. Or was that for a dozen? Can't check as the RS-online site is
down at present.

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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently
ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0


all lies

whisky-dave Wrote in message:
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0



6mm is a bit big for a DIL package ;-)
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On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:48:48 UTC, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 05/03/19 09:53, whisky-dave wrote:
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0

Two things strange about that - the "frequently" and the price of that
drill bit. Or was that for a dozen? Can't check as the RS-online site is
down at present.

I thought it a 'bit' expensive ;-)

But we get a deal
Price Each
Was £23.81
You pay £20.95 excluding VAT


I dounbt I'd buy that drill bit, I'm usually buying bits of less than 4mm D and less than a couple of quid each.

even when I;'ve bought a whole set I'd pay less than £20.


Product Details
HSS Straight Shank Carbide Tipped Jobber Drill (A160)
HSS Straight Shank Carbide Tipped Jobber drill for machining hard, abrasive materials up to x4 diameter
Bright finish with Steam Tempered flutes
Manufactured to BS328/DIN338 standards

Standards
DIN 338; BS 328; ISO235



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Jeff

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with
them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0


That will probably be because an inventory code of one of those
items is similar or identical to the inventory code of an item
which it would actually have matched,

Inventory codes may or not be assigned sequentially as new items
are added to the stock

The customer buys on the description or product code, not
the inventory code so any discrepancy should show up prior to
the sale or despatch,

The "likes" will be determined solely by the inventory codes of
pairs of items bought previously, not by the product descriptions
or codes as the latter are determined by manufacturers and may come
in different formats. Whereas RS can use whatever format they like
for their inventory code for their internal operations which among
other things makes generating likes easier.


michael adams

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On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 12:10:19 UTC, michael adams wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with
them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0


That will probably be because an inventory code of one of those
items is similar or identical to the inventory code of an item
which it would actually have matched,

Inventory codes may or not be assigned sequentially as new items
are added to the stock

The customer buys on the description or product code, not
the inventory code so any discrepancy should show up prior to
the sale or despatch,

To me it shows that AI and/or similar is only as good as the data you throw at it.
So this shows a flawed system that needs changing a system set up by a human.



The "likes" will be determined solely by the inventory codes of
pairs of items bought previously,

what's likes got to do with it ? There''s no like button

not by the product descriptions
or codes as the latter are determined by manufacturers and may come
in different formats. Whereas RS can use whatever format they like
for their inventory code for their internal operations which among
other things makes generating likes easier.

But totally screws with what most people would use the frequently purchsed together actually means or meant to mean.



michael adams

...

On 05/03/2019 09:53, whisky-dave wrote:
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0

I probably have bought the two together, but
a) from CPC, not RS, and
b) it was a 1.2mm drill bit.

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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 12:10:19 UTC, michael adams wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with
them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0


That will probably be because an inventory code of one of those
items is similar or identical to the inventory code of an item
which it would actually have matched,

Inventory codes may or not be assigned sequentially as new items
are added to the stock

The customer buys on the description or product code, not
the inventory code so any discrepancy should show up prior to
the sale or despatch,

To me it shows that AI and/or similar is only as good as the data you throw at it.
So this shows a flawed system that needs changing a system set up by a human.



The "likes" will be determined solely by the inventory codes of
pairs of items bought previously,

what's likes got to do with it ? There''s no like button

On other sites it would be a "you might also like" prompt."

Same thing.

not by the product descriptions
or codes as the latter are determined by manufacturers and may come
in different formats. Whereas RS can use whatever format they like
for their inventory code for their internal operations which among
other things makes generating likes easier.

But totally screws with what most people would use the frequently purchsed
together actually means or meant to mean.

But only in this case because there's been a mismatch which is probably
quite rare. And can provide some innoocent amusement until a wet blanket
like me shows up.

There's actually proper names for this a) where theres a totally
arbitrary relationship between numbers and the things they
represent and b) what happens when things go wrong.
Offhand I've forgotten what they are.



michael adams

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On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 13:26:22 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 05/03/2019 09:53, whisky-dave wrote:
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0

I probably have bought the two together, but
a) from CPC, not RS, and
b) it was a 1.2mm drill bit.


so what did you buy the ADC for ? and
--
Andrew

The thing is normally there is a connection between such products that is the aim it.

Such as Soldering iron and they also purchased solder.
or someone bought a burger they also bought fries.
someone bought viagra they also bought an angle grinder isnlt as helpful.

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:41:34 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I dounbt I'd buy that drill bit, I'm usually buying bits of less than 4mm D and less than a couple of quid each.

You won't get a carbide tipped engineering drill of that size listed much
cheaper than RS.

For instance

https://www.drill-service.co.uk/prod...-drill-jobber/

Carbide tipped masonry bits will be much cheaper.

RS appear to conflate individual dispatches on one overall and sometime company
wide call off order into their suggestions. The order number is the same, the
delivery address one of a few dozen across the country. Some locations /
departments/adjacent desks might be buying hydraulic fittings, electronic
components, DIN rail screw terminals, fasteners, and some might be buying drill
bits.

The customer benefits from the lowest price level RS offers but all other
customers appear to end up being presented with ****e information about linked
products.

At least the RS website is not quite as **** as it once was.

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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently
ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0


just on amazon looking at walkie talkies and they are recommending I buy a
toothbrush with them...tee hee

On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 13:42:58 UTC, michael adams wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 12:10:19 UTC, michael adams wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently ordered with
them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0


That will probably be because an inventory code of one of those
items is similar or identical to the inventory code of an item
which it would actually have matched,

Inventory codes may or not be assigned sequentially as new items
are added to the stock

The customer buys on the description or product code, not
the inventory code so any discrepancy should show up prior to
the sale or despatch,

To me it shows that AI and/or similar is only as good as the data you throw at it.
So this shows a flawed system that needs changing a system set up by a human.



The "likes" will be determined solely by the inventory codes of
pairs of items bought previously,

what's likes got to do with it ? There''s no like button

On other sites it would be a "you might also like" prompt."

And why would someone buying a ADC also like a drill bit, they might also like a latte.


Same thing.

No on Facebok they have like buttons, if you like what someone has posted you like it, it doesn't mean much else.



not by the product descriptions
or codes as the latter are determined by manufacturers and may come
in different formats. Whereas RS can use whatever format they like
for their inventory code for their internal operations which among
other things makes generating likes easier.

But totally screws with what most people would use the frequently purchsed
together actually means or meant to mean.

But only in this case because there's been a mismatch which is probably
quite rare. And can provide some innoocent amusement until a wet blanket
like me shows up.

And what use is a wet blanket then ?


There's actually proper names for this a) where theres a totally
arbitrary relationship between numbers and the things they
represent and b) what happens when things go wrong.
Offhand I've forgotten what they are.

Useful ;-)

I'd call it a **** up or balls up, there are many others descriptions.

On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 14:46:52 UTC, The Other Mike wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:41:34 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I dounbt I'd buy that drill bit, I'm usually buying bits of less than 4mm D and less than a couple of quid each.

You won't get a carbide tipped engineering drill of that size listed much
cheaper than RS.

Well if yuo say so, but most products I can get cheaper than RS do them, RS are good and quick free delivery so we do use them but I always check prices.


For instance

https://www.drill-service.co.uk/prod...-drill-jobber/

Carbide tipped masonry bits will be much cheaper.

RS appear to conflate individual dispatches on one overall and sometime company
wide call off order into their suggestions. The order number is the same, the
delivery address one of a few dozen across the country. Some locations /
departments/adjacent desks might be buying hydraulic fittings, electronic
components, DIN rail screw terminals, fasteners, and some might be buying drill
bits.

and you think I don't know that working with 3000+ or so staff working here .


The customer benefits from the lowest price level RS offers but all other
customers appear to end up being presented with ****e information about linked
products.

And I don't find that very useful and I'm sure it's customers don't either.

Customers I'm sure would like such things that could be linked would help.
I'd expect such things as
customer bought an angle grinder they also bought some tile cutting blades.
rather than
customer bought an angle grinder they also bought a TuTu.






At least the RS website is not quite as **** as it once was.

Still isn;t very good though, I find it quite annoying, we also order far less from them than we used to, partly due to their website.
If their website were better I'd encourage our studetns to use it and order from them.


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On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 14:52:19 UTC, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently
ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0


just on amazon looking at walkie talkies and they are recommending I buy a
toothbrush with them...tee hee

Most of teh links I find on amazon are useful not all but with amazon they sell just about evertying that can be legally sold so I'd expect such oddities.

I've 3 things on my next amazon order.
two of them just list things as below.

Sponsored products related to this item
Recommendations & Popular Items
Customers who viewed this item also viewed
Compare with similar items

One item being
LANMU 0.96" I2C IIC SPI Serial 128X64 White Blue OLED LCD LED Display Module

Frequently bought together
Elegoo 120pcs Multicolored Dupont Wire 40pin Male to Female, 40pin Male to Male,
Elegoo UNO R3 Board ATmega328P ATMEGA16U2 with USB Cable for Arduino


See all the above items are strongly linked to the original product , in fact the student has a UNO and has bough some of those leads off me last time.


Can yuo tell the differnce in usuefulness between Frequently bought together
and any other recomendations.

On 05/03/19 14:46, The Other Mike wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:41:34 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I dounbt I'd buy that drill bit, I'm usually buying bits of less than 4mm D and less than a couple of quid each.

You won't get a carbide tipped engineering drill of that size listed much
cheaper than RS.

For instance

https://www.drill-service.co.uk/prod...-drill-jobber/

I'm not clear on what we are comparing here. Maybe it's just the
description that RS is using. The Drill-Service bits appear to me to be
/solid/ tungsten carbide (linked from
https://www.drill-service.co.uk/products/drills/carbide-drills/). The
RS ones are HSS with a carbide tip (as stated at
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/twist-drill-bits/3865298/ and shown in
the photo on that page). Or have I got that wrong?

--

Jeff

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:06:26 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 05/03/19 14:46, The Other Mike wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:41:34 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I dounbt I'd buy that drill bit, I'm usually buying bits of less than 4mm D and less than a couple of quid each.

You won't get a carbide tipped engineering drill of that size listed much
cheaper than RS.

For instance

https://www.drill-service.co.uk/prod...-drill-jobber/

I'm not clear on what we are comparing here. Maybe it's just the
description that RS is using. The Drill-Service bits appear to me to be
/solid/ tungsten carbide (linked from
https://www.drill-service.co.uk/products/drills/carbide-drills/). The
RS ones are HSS with a carbide tip (as stated at
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/twist-drill-bits/3865298/ and shown in
the photo on that page). Or have I got that wrong?

It was my bad choice of link

https://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/cutt...etric-/f/68086

Exact same Dormer A160 drill, similar price

For a tipped drill those are indeed relatively expensive compared to solid
carbide from the likes of Guhring, Kyocera and Dormer. (circa 30 quid list for
a 6mm drill)
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 07:11:19 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

and you think I don't know that working with 3000+ or so staff working here .

Well it was you that said it was weird in your original posting, as if you
didn't know why it was happening.
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On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:06:29 UTC, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 05/03/19 14:46, The Other Mike wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:41:34 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I dounbt I'd buy that drill bit, I'm usually buying bits of less than 4mm D and less than a couple of quid each.

You won't get a carbide tipped engineering drill of that size listed much
cheaper than RS.

For instance

https://www.drill-service.co.uk/prod...-drill-jobber/

I'm not clear on what we are comparing here. Maybe it's just the
description that RS is using. The Drill-Service bits appear to me to be
/solid/ tungsten carbide (linked from
https://www.drill-service.co.uk/products/drills/carbide-drills/). The
RS ones are HSS with a carbide tip (as stated at
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/twist-drill-bits/3865298/ and shown in
the photo on that page). Or have I got that wrong?

Bosch carbide tipped multimaterial bits are a tenth that price on screwsatan. The RS description is unclear whether they're TCT or solid carbide.


NT

On 05/03/19 19:54, The Other Mike wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:06:26 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 05/03/19 14:46, The Other Mike wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:41:34 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I dounbt I'd buy that drill bit, I'm usually buying bits of less than 4mm D and less than a couple of quid each.

You won't get a carbide tipped engineering drill of that size listed much
cheaper than RS.

For instance

https://www.drill-service.co.uk/prod...-drill-jobber/

I'm not clear on what we are comparing here. Maybe it's just the
description that RS is using. The Drill-Service bits appear to me to be
/solid/ tungsten carbide (linked from
https://www.drill-service.co.uk/products/drills/carbide-drills/). The
RS ones are HSS with a carbide tip (as stated at
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/twist-drill-bits/3865298/ and shown in
the photo on that page). Or have I got that wrong?

It was my bad choice of link

https://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/cutt...etric-/f/68086

That's an even worse link! It has an immediate popup:

"We suggest upgrading to Chrome to enjoy all the features of this site.
Please download the latest version of Chrome"

Yuk...

Exact same Dormer A160 drill, similar price

For a tipped drill those are indeed relatively expensive compared to solid
carbide from the likes of Guhring, Kyocera and Dormer. (circa 30 quid list for
a 6mm drill)

Agreed, although solid carbide can be very brittle. I just can't see
what makes those TCT drills that "special" - see tabbypurr's reply.

--

Jeff

michael adams wrote
whisky-dave wrote

I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently
ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0

That will probably be because an inventory code of one of those items is
similar or identical to the inventory code of an item which it would
actually have matched,

Doing it by inventory code is never going to work.

They arent telling you who bought a similar item INSTEAD.

Inventory codes may or not be assigned sequentially as new items are added
to the stock

The customer buys on the description or product code, not the inventory
code so any discrepancy should show up prior to the sale or despatch,

The "likes" will be determined solely by the inventory codes of pairs of
items bought previously, not by the product descriptions or codes as the
latter are determined by manufacturers and may come in different formats.

**** all likes on retail store sites.

What they actually list is what else customers who
bought that item also bought close in time from them.

Whereas RS can use whatever format they like for their inventory code for
their internal operations which among
other things makes generating likes easier.

It has nothing to do with inventory codes or likes.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 08:28:19 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile ****

Darn, and this thread was Rot-free, so far! tsk

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On Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:54:49 UTC, The Other Mike wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 07:11:19 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

and you think I don't know that working with 3000+ or so staff working here .

Well it was you that said it was weird in your original posting, as if you
didn't know why it was happening.
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Did yuo actual read my original posting ?

didn't think so.

Amazon are always doing this sort of thing.
You buy a connection lead and they try t9o sell you a computer or in some
cases some rather dodgy book about DIY sex toys if you buy a tool. I think
sometimes staff have a laugh and deliberately embed embarrassing or silly
algorithms when the get bored on a Friday afternoon.
Brian

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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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I was ordering some MC3008 's and RS think drill bits are frequently
ordered with them, Weird.

anyone else noticed any strange bought together items.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cpq58f060...54.21.png?dl=0

On Wednesday, 6 March 2019 11:48:56 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
Amazon are always doing this sort of thing.

But not quite the same as I've posted what amazon say.
To my basket I've added a MCP3008

Frequently bought together
Elegoo 120pcs Multicolored Dupont Wire 40pin Male to Female, 40pin Male to Male, 40pin Female to

Yes I agree with that as I've bought about 30 of those.
These are commonly used with breadboards or protoboards or even soldering.

amazon also list

Sponsored products related to this item

which include protoboards and arduninos

ANd again I see this as logical and correct and much better than RS but as amazon don;t pay their taxes and RS do I assume then maybe that is the reason.

It;s gotta be better than the crap reasons some have claimed.


You buy a connection lead and they try t9o sell you a computer or in some
cases some rather dodgy book about DIY sex toys if you buy a tool. I think
sometimes staff have a laugh and deliberately embed embarrassing or silly
algorithms when the get bored on a Friday afternoon.
Brian

In that case I could do a much better job of that.

People that have bought this Angle grinder
Frequently purchase gimp masks.