On 25/02/2019 15:16, michael adams wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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I can hardly hear my mac mini or my iMac fans they both have fans that spin slowly
as the design is better as it just doesn't need brute force using cheap fans to cool
it.



Presumably the reverse must be true.

If they scaled up these better designed iMac fans (although its surprising
Dyson didn't get there first) then presumably they could make much more
efficient wind turbines. With a gentle breeze generating Gigawatts
of power.

So that everybody would be happy.


My laptop is quiet..

until you start using four cores on its i7 processor and the GPU 100%.

then you can hear the whine.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 22 February 2019 17:48:57 UTC, newshound wrote:
On 22/02/2019 10:45, Robin wrote:
On 22/02/2019 09:17, Bob Eager wrote:

snip

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we
had
an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but
otherwise
I see no need.


if one wants a really quiet PC an SSD avoids even the little noise from
a quiet HDD on anti-vibration mounts

It's the fan that is noisy on mine. I know you can go fanless (or water
cooled).

I can hardly hear my mac mini or my iMac fans they both have fans that
spin slowly as the design is better as it just doesn't need brute force
using cheap fans to cool it.

Same with my intel i5 cpu fan. Its so quiet that when I was
assembling the current system, I had to look closely at the
fan to see that it was in fact spinning up. And no, I'm not deaf.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:05:52 -0800, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 22 February 2019 17:48:57 UTC, newshound wrote:
On 22/02/2019 10:45, Robin wrote:
On 22/02/2019 09:17, Bob Eager wrote:

snip

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we
had an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but
otherwise I see no need.


if one wants a really quiet PC an SSD avoids even the little noise
from a quiet HDD on anti-vibration mounts

It's the fan that is noisy on mine. I know you can go fanless (or water
cooled).

I can hardly hear my mac mini or my iMac fans they both have fans that
spin slowly as the design is better as it just doesn't need brute force
using cheap fans to cool it.

My desktops are all home built in big Corsair cases (Obsidian 500D). Lots
of space, big thermostatically controlled fans that spin slowly (if at
all) and quietly. And the graphics card is passively cooled. Some of them
have four spinning disk, but the cases do have some soundproofing and the
noise is very low.



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On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:49:59 +0000, Broadback
wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

I've always wondered: is it possible to buy a server and use it as a
PC?

On Monday, 25 February 2019 16:32:25 UTC, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:49:59 +0000, Broadback
wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

I've always wondered: is it possible to buy a server and use it as a
PC?

Yes. It was noisy, SCSI discs ever were. The soundproofing worked well though.


NT

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:49:59 +0000
Broadback wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

Get an ex-corporate off eBay and stick Linux or BSD on it.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:32:22 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:49:59 +0000, Broadback
wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

I've always wondered: is it possible to buy a server and use it as a
PC?

Yes, although you may want to fit a better graphics card, and there may
be nowhere to fit one. Servers also usually lack some of the power-
saving options such as suspend-to-RAM or suspend-to-HDD that are useful
on a desktop that isn't always-on.

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 03:00:49 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

03:00 am in Australia, AGAIN? LOL Unable to sleep in because this here is
ALL you got in your senile "life"?

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On 21/02/2019 21:37, Martin Brown wrote:

These days desktops are somewhat out of favour.

Absolutely not here.

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On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:

Previously running several PC / M/S machines They would fail catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

That's not generally the case with PCs. I've built and run Windows
desktops for more than a few years and haven't ever experienced any of
them 'fail catastrophically'.

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On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machines They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


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But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:32:22 +0000, Scott wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:49:59 +0000, Broadback
wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

I've always wondered: is it possible to buy a server and use it as a PC?

That's what I did between 1989 and 2012 or so. I didn't want fancy
graphics.

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On Monday, 25 February 2019 15:16:53 UTC, michael adams wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...

I can hardly hear my mac mini or my iMac fans they both have fans that spin slowly
as the design is better as it just doesn't need brute force using cheap fans to cool
it.



Presumably the reverse must be true.

No.


If they scaled up these better designed iMac fans (although its surprising
Dyson didn't get there first)

It's not really the fans but the way the air is passed along and across the devices that need cooling. I've opened these things up and there are routes the airflow takes rather than just pumping through as much air as possible.



then presumably they could make much more
efficient wind turbines. With a gentle breeze generating Gigawatts
of power.

Then why not use the turbins that boats use in water or propelles from aircraft. ?

Well you need to design the products to do a specific job well, and that included areodynamics which aren't just used in planes and cars.



So that everybody would be happy.



michael adams

...

On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:50:03 UTC, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

Buy an iMac . Initially expensive but today is the 9th Birthday of mine. not a perfect record but whenever it has gone wrong the local Apple shop has repaired it F.O.C. several times in the last 9 years

Previously running several PC / M/S machines They would fail catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace. An iMac starts each day in an instant and loads the apps instantly It's very different but you just have to look at the packaging to see that whatever you buy is good quality.


I have used Medion Windows PCs for the last 15 years or more. Very good
built quality and components. Machines have always been left on 24/7,
and have been used extensively 7 days a week.

A couple of hard drives showed worrying signs and were replaced before
any problem arrived.

Other that that not a single component has ever dies on me.

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
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On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:50:03 UTC, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

Buy an iMac . Initially expensive but today is the 9th Birthday of
mine. not a perfect record but whenever it has gone wrong the local Apple
shop has repaired it F.O.C. several times in the last 9 years

Previously running several PC / M/S machines They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace. An iMac
starts each day in an instant and loads the apps instantly It's very
different but you just have to look at the packaging to see that
whatever you buy is good quality.

I have used Medion Windows PCs for the last 15 years or more.

They are now done by Lenovo from ,memory.

Very good built quality and components. Machines have always been left on
24/7, and have been used extensively 7 days a week.

A couple of hard drives showed worrying signs

What were the worrying signs ? And what were the drive brands ?

I have been using Samsungs over that time and have
never had a problem and I use my systems like you do.
I used to run two machines, the previous best for the
PVR but now just use the one i5 machine for everything.
I assemble them myself using asus motherboards.

and were replaced before any problem arrived.

Other that that not a single component has ever dies on me.

I havent even had one component die. Not even a fan or power supply.

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 08:15:32 +1100, 2987fr, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:


What were the worrying signs ? And what were the drive brands ?

I have been using Samsungs over that time and have

LOL So many posts from you in this thread ...and yet not ONE feedback for
you, senile Rot! I LIKE it! LMAO

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On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....


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On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 23:25:25 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....

"Grandfather's axe" being the original expression from which the OF&H
gag was derived (hence the derogatory expression, "That's rather
derivative." usually applied to popular music).

--
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On 03/03/2019 23:25, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....


Precisely.

The reason this one got upgraded was that the onboard ethernet got a bit
flaky, and it hated booting with a USB webcam plugged in.

So a new motherboard and RAM went in.

The drive had been SSDed some time before and it had fast graphics card
as well for real time games

The server just grew like topsy..it gets more and more disk added every5
years or so when the existing disks start to go flaky.

But at heart its an old XP era mnini tower notherbaord and RAM. You dont
need a lot of power in as a server, or RAM. Just disk slots.

a 386 era machine back in the day could fully saturate a 100Mbps
ethernet connection.


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On 03/03/2019 23:50, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 23:25:25 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....

"Grandfather's axe" being the original expression from which the OF&H
gag was derived (hence the derogatory expression, "That's rather
derivative." usually applied to popular music).

Its a great story that both establishes a philsophical isse of
'identity' and the stupidity of allowing a semantic description to
override the reality, and also the idea that a computer is not a
discrete entity, except in the mind. It is a collection of user
interchangeable components any one of which may be upgraded without
reference to any other. Although new MB needs new RAM ususally.

Cases cost money. £60 these days with PSUs.

Motheboard and RAM and CPU? Well boards and RAM arent bad but CPUS have
gone through the roof. Intel stuff is top £100-200 for ANYTHIUNG. Gone
are the sub £100 CPU days.

Best MB/RAM/CPU deal I found is around £130 for an AMD class mobo.

Reflecting the market where a home PC is now an ARM chip in a smartphone
of fondleslab.


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 03/03/2019 23:50, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 23:25:25 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machines They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....

"Grandfather's axe" being the original expression from which the OF&H
gag was derived (hence the derogatory expression, "That's rather
derivative." usually applied to popular music).

Its a great story that both establishes a philsophical isse of 'identity'
and the stupidity of allowing a semantic description to override the
reality, and also the idea that a computer is not a discrete entity,
except in the mind. It is a collection of user interchangeable components
any one of which may be upgraded without reference to any other. Although
new MB needs new RAM ususally.

Cases cost money. £60 these days with PSUs.

Motheboard and RAM and CPU? Well boards and RAM arent bad but CPUS have
gone through the roof. Intel stuff is top £100-200 for ANYTHIUNG. Gone are
the sub £100 CPU days.

Bull**** with celeron and pentium cpus.

Best MB/RAM/CPU deal I found is around £130 for an AMD class mobo.

Reflecting the market where a home PC is now an ARM chip in a smartphone
of fondleslab.

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 20:06:08 +1100, 2987fr, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:


Cases cost money. £60 these days with PSUs.

Motheboard and RAM and CPU? Well boards and RAM arent bad but CPUS have
gone through the roof. Intel stuff is top £100-200 for ANYTHIUNG. Gone are
the sub £100 CPU days.

Bull**** with celeron and pentium cpus.

In auto-contradicting mode again, you psychopathic senile auto-contradictor?

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On 04/03/2019 08:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/03/2019 23:50, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 23:25:25 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....

Â* "Grandfather's axe" being the original expression from which the OF&H
gag was derived (hence the derogatory expression, "That's rather
derivative." usually applied to popular music).

Or the Genuine Saxon Axe (three new heads and two new handles).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus if you want to sound clever.

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On 03/03/2019 23:25, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....


Thought it was Arkwright's in Open All Hours? No?

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On Monday, 4 March 2019 18:29:43 UTC, F wrote:
On 03/03/2019 23:25, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....


Thought it was Arkwright's in Open All Hours? No?

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No it was triggers in OFAH but wouldn't suprise me if Arkwright had a similar system in place.