As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

www.novatech.co.uk

Solid state drive is good. Use a 4K TV as monitor.

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windows XP

I have several of those here.


Maybe a Mac?

If you buy the correct one you can run windows as well.
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As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

windows XP

On Thursday, 21 February 2019 15:42:54 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
I have several of those here.


Maybe a Mac?

If you buy the correct one you can run windows as well.

The correct one, well they can all run windows, but you may have to buy W10 or whatever.

I've heard (no pun intended) that the Macs voice over is quite good.

But as I've never had to use it I can't really comment.

We've bought 96 PCs for the lab all-in-one that seem quite good value, similar to an iMac but less than half the price and as you won't be seeing the display so you won't need retina or even 4K.
The only accurate thing I know about ours is that the weight is 12KG

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop...iplex-7460-aio

On 21/02/2019 16:13, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 15:42:54 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
I have several of those here.


Maybe a Mac?

If you buy the correct one you can run windows as well.

The correct one, well they can all run windows, but you may have to buy W10 or whatever.

I've heard (no pun intended) that the Macs voice over is quite good.

But as I've never had to use it I can't really comment.

We've bought 96 PCs for the lab all-in-one that seem quite good value, similar to an iMac but less than half the price and as you won't be seeing the display so you won't need retina or even 4K.
The only accurate thing I know about ours is that the weight is 12KG

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop...iplex-7460-aio


Look to be about the same price as an iMac to me.

OptiPlex 7460 All-in-One £939
21.5" iMac 2.3GHz Processor 1TB Storage £1049

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On Thursday, 21 February 2019 16:52:30 UTC, RJH wrote:
On 21/02/2019 16:13, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 15:42:54 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
I have several of those here.


Maybe a Mac?

If you buy the correct one you can run windows as well.

The correct one, well they can all run windows, but you may have to buy W10 or whatever.

I've heard (no pun intended) that the Macs voice over is quite good.

But as I've never had to use it I can't really comment.

We've bought 96 PCs for the lab all-in-one that seem quite good value, similar to an iMac but less than half the price and as you won't be seeing the display so you won't need retina or even 4K.
The only accurate thing I know about ours is that the weight is 12KG

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop...iplex-7460-aio


Look to be about the same price as an iMac to me.

OptiPlex 7460 All-in-One £939
21.5" iMac 2.3GHz Processor 1TB Storage £1049

yes I forgot we got them for about £750 each and with SSDs and 16GB of memory with an i7 .

Of course the Macs are only 21.5" compared to 24" .

I'm not sure how much bloatware they have as they'll just be reformated and the OS's added from scatch via a server.

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windows XP

Don't be silly.


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Depends what you want to do with it really. Most of them are full of
crudware, so you usually end up paying more from a small maker locally to
get just exactly what software you need instead of a drive full of crapware.
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On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:
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My current desktop PC came from P C Specialist:

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/

They built to my exact specification and the machine has proved entirely
reliable and satisfactory. I'd recommend them.

Yes I used Quiet PC for the same reasons.
It is more expensive as it needed to be quiet, but generally its been fine.
And use an ssd main drive.

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My current desktop PC came from P C Specialist:

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They built to my exact specification and the machine has proved entirely
reliable and satisfactory. I'd recommend them.

On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

Unanswerable without knowing what you want it for.

Do you have one at the moment? How much of it is re-useable (e.g.
keyboard, monitor?). Can it be upgraded?

As a general suggestion I'd say get an SSD at least for the system drive.

Best "bang for the buck" without a doubt will come from a reconditioned
business machine (box only). I've had several Dells, currently on a
Precision 490 which is getting on a bit now. Spend what you save over a
"new" one on one (or more) decent monitors and/or big SSDs.

On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

What spec do you currently have?

What are you going to use it for?

What areas of performance in particular are you hoping to improve?

What is the budget?


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On 21/02/2019 21:12, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

How old is the system being replaced and what CPU/ram/disk does it have?

What spec do you currently have?

What are you going to use it for?

What areas of performance in particular are you hoping to improve?

What is the budget?

These days desktops are somewhat out of favour.
But capable ones can be had second hand refurbished for under £300.

If you want to do anything exotic like 4k video editing then you need to
say so. If it is just for word processing than almost anything will do.

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Yes indeed but I'd not entertain any machine with less than 8 gig of ram, at
least a four core processor and a hard drive of 1tb in addition to the ssd
for the operating system.
It all does depend so much on needs these days.
Don't do what our council has and try to run their operation on Google
chrome books and then wonder why its crap!
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On 21/02/2019 21:12, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

How old is the system being replaced and what CPU/ram/disk does it have?

What spec do you currently have?

What are you going to use it for?

What areas of performance in particular are you hoping to improve?

What is the budget?

These days desktops are somewhat out of favour.
But capable ones can be had second hand refurbished for under £300.

If you want to do anything exotic like 4k video editing then you need to
say so. If it is just for word processing than almost anything will do.

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On 21/02/2019 21:37, Martin Brown wrote:

These days desktops are somewhat out of favour.

Absolutely not here.

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 21:44:22 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Martin Brown
wrote:

On 21/02/2019 21:12, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

How old is the system being replaced and what CPU/ram/disk does it have?

What spec do you currently have?

What are you going to use it for?

What areas of performance in particular are you hoping to improve?

What is the budget?

These days desktops are somewhat out of favour.

Not here they're not.

Or here. We have six in use at home.

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 23:08:57 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 21:44:22 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Martin Brown
wrote:

On 21/02/2019 21:12, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

How old is the system being replaced and what CPU/ram/disk does it have?

What spec do you currently have?

What are you going to use it for?

What areas of performance in particular are you hoping to improve?

What is the budget?

These days desktops are somewhat out of favour.

Not here they're not.

Or here. We have six in use at home.

Or here. I have three desktops.

On Friday, 22 February 2019 16:34:12 UTC, Martyn Barclay wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 23:08:57 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 21:44:22 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Martin Brown
wrote:

On 21/02/2019 21:12, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

How old is the system being replaced and what CPU/ram/disk does it have?

What spec do you currently have?

What are you going to use it for?

What areas of performance in particular are you hoping to improve?

What is the budget?

These days desktops are somewhat out of favour.

Not here they're not.

Or here. We have six in use at home.

Or here. I have three desktops.

My new lab has 96 desktops each with a 2nd monitor.
These desktops being all-in-one don;lt need a box on the floor.

Where do others put their desktops ?

On 22/02/2019 16:34, Martyn Barclay wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 23:08:57 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 21:44:22 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Martin Brown
wrote:

On 21/02/2019 21:12, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/02/2019 14:49, Broadback wrote:

As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

How old is the system being replaced and what CPU/ram/disk does it have?

What spec do you currently have?

What are you going to use it for?

What areas of performance in particular are you hoping to improve?

What is the budget?

These days desktops are somewhat out of favour.

Not here they're not.

Or here. We have six in use at home.

Or here. I have three desktops.

I am down to the one. Plus a laptop to watch videos and TV in bed
(bliss) . Plus a raspberry Pi to handle all my hifi needs. Plus a smart
phone to control the Pi

And a couple of smart TVs as well


And of course my weary old server.

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On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:50:03 UTC, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

If it's just for general use, an ex-corporate Dell or HP from Microdream, Tier1online or Morgan. As they use an Authorised Refurbisher install of Win10 they don't have much bloatware.

SSD for the O/S drive and 8 GB RAM.

Owain

On 21/02/2019 21:42, wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:50:03 UTC, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

If it's just for general use, an ex-corporate Dell or HP from
Microdream, Tier1online or Morgan. As they use an Authorised
Refurbisher install of Win10 they don't have much bloatware.

+1
Although there are some cheap and nasty ones there too.

SSD for the O/S drive and 8 GB RAM.

For a power user perhaps. Win10 now boots fast enough that only the most
impatient casual user will be inconvenienced and it will run OK in 4GB.

Obviously dedicated gamers would never be satisfied with Intel Graphics
but if you only want 2D graphics and limited 3D support a PC with no
graphics card then using the CPU built in capability uses a heck of a
lot less power than one with a dedicated gamers graphics card.

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On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 08:57:32 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/02/2019 21:42, wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:50:03 UTC, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

If it's just for general use, an ex-corporate Dell or HP from
Microdream, Tier1online or Morgan. As they use an Authorised
Refurbisher install of Win10 they don't have much bloatware.

+1 Although there are some cheap and nasty ones there too.

SSD for the O/S drive and 8 GB RAM.

For a power user perhaps. Win10 now boots fast enough that only the most
impatient casual user will be inconvenienced and it will run OK in 4GB.

Obviously dedicated gamers would never be satisfied with Intel Graphics
but if you only want 2D graphics and limited 3D support a PC with no
graphics card then using the CPU built in capability uses a heck of a
lot less power than one with a dedicated gamers graphics card.

I agree. Not that I run Windows - it's FreeBSD here.

I ran quite happily with a 4 core CPU and 4GB (in 32 bit mode, so really
3.4GB). I now have several TB of disk (in RAID 1). I recently moved to 64
bit (finally!) and use 16GB. Most of the time I use about 5GB of that,
and the rest is on a swap-backed RAM disk which is used for everyday
large temporary files. The system rarely swaps.

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we had
an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but otherwise
I see no need.



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On 22/02/2019 09:17, Bob Eager wrote:
I ran quite happily with a 4 core CPU and 4GB (in 32 bit mode, so really
3.4GB). I now have several TB of disk (in RAID 1). I recently moved to 64
bit (finally!) and use 16GB. Most of the time I use about 5GB of that,
and the rest is on a swap-backed RAM disk which is used for everyday
large temporary files. The system rarely swaps.

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we had
an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but otherwise
I see no need.

My server is an early 64 bit ex XP machine of mid noughties vintage.

My desktop is a modern board with 8GB RAM and an SSD.

The ONLY two things that run faster on te desktop, once SSD/spinning
rust differences are accounted for, are real time games and video
processing.

If you dont do either an XP era machine should work fine - at least on
Linux.

No dounbt Windows has hooks to make it run like a dog on older hardware.


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On 22/02/2019 09:17, Bob Eager wrote:
I ran quite happily with a 4 core CPU and 4GB (in 32 bit mode, so really
3.4GB). I now have several TB of disk (in RAID 1). I recently moved to 64
bit (finally!) and use 16GB. Most of the time I use about 5GB of that,
and the rest is on a swap-backed RAM disk which is used for everyday
large temporary files. The system rarely swaps.

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we had
an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but otherwise
I see no need.

My server is an early 64 bit ex XP machine of mid noughties vintage.

My desktop is a modern board with 8GB RAM and an SSD.

The ONLY two things that run faster on te desktop, once SSD/spinning rust
differences are accounted for, are real time games and video processing.

If you dont do either an XP era machine should work fine - at least on
Linux.

No dounbt Windows has hooks to make it run like a dog on older hardware.

Win10 runs fine on older hardware.

On 22/02/2019 09:17, Bob Eager wrote:

snip

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we had
an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but otherwise
I see no need.


if one wants a really quiet PC an SSD avoids even the little noise from
a quiet HDD on anti-vibration mounts
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:45:48 +0000, Robin wrote:

On 22/02/2019 09:17, Bob Eager wrote:

snip

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we
had an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but
otherwise I see no need.


if one wants a really quiet PC an SSD avoids even the little noise from
a quiet HDD on anti-vibration mounts

Since all our desktops have at least 2 HDDs (and some have four) and they
are terabytes, not really an issue!



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On 22/02/2019 10:45, Robin wrote:
On 22/02/2019 09:17, Bob Eager wrote:

snip

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we had
an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but otherwise
I see no need.


if one wants a really quiet PC an SSD avoids even the little noise from
a quiet HDD on anti-vibration mounts

It's the fan that is noisy on mine. I know you can go fanless (or water
cooled).

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 09:17:36 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 08:57:32 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/02/2019 21:42, wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:50:03 UTC, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

If it's just for general use, an ex-corporate Dell or HP from
Microdream, Tier1online or Morgan. As they use an Authorised
Refurbisher install of Win10 they don't have much bloatware.

+1 Although there are some cheap and nasty ones there too.

SSD for the O/S drive and 8 GB RAM.

For a power user perhaps. Win10 now boots fast enough that only the most
impatient casual user will be inconvenienced and it will run OK in 4GB.

Obviously dedicated gamers would never be satisfied with Intel Graphics
but if you only want 2D graphics and limited 3D support a PC with no
graphics card then using the CPU built in capability uses a heck of a
lot less power than one with a dedicated gamers graphics card.

I agree. Not that I run Windows - it's FreeBSD here.

I ran quite happily with a 4 core CPU and 4GB (in 32 bit mode, so really
3.4GB). I now have several TB of disk (in RAID 1). I recently moved to 64
bit (finally!) and use 16GB. Most of the time I use about 5GB of that, and
the rest is on a swap-backed RAM disk which is used for everyday large
temporary files. The system rarely swaps.

I've not seen the need for an SSD as it boots really fast (but boots
rarely). The last time I rebooted was a couple of weeks ago, when we had
an extended power cut. Happy to have an SSD in the laptop, but otherwise I
see no need.

I had an HDD SATA drive go south on my main machine, & decided to install
an SDD in place of it. After copying Debian "Stretch" Linux on to it, I
rebooted & from the get-go it now boots in the KDE desktop in 9 seconds
flat. I am seriously thinking of changing the HDDs on my other machines.

CPU:AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core @ 4.00GHz, RAM:16GB Kingston HyperX Fury.

On 22/02/2019 16:30, Martyn Barclay wrote:
it now boots in the KDE desktop in 9 seconds
flat.

very similar here for linux Mint



The joke ius that once that has booted, windows XP in a 32 bit virtual
machine is about 7s second! Or faster if resiuming from a live image


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On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:50:03 UTC, Broadback wrote:
As the subject. any ideas will be welcomed

Buy an iMac . Initially expensive but today is the 9th Birthday of mine. not a perfect record but whenever it has gone wrong the local Apple shop has repaired it F.O.C. several times in the last 9 years

Previously running several PC / M/S machines They would fail catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace. An iMac starts each day in an instant and loads the apps instantly It's very different but you just have to look at the packaging to see that whatever you buy is good quality.

On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:

Previously running several PC / M/S machines They would fail catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

That's not generally the case with PCs. I've built and run Windows
desktops for more than a few years and haven't ever experienced any of
them 'fail catastrophically'.

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On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machines They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


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On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....


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On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 23:25:25 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....

"Grandfather's axe" being the original expression from which the OF&H
gag was derived (hence the derogatory expression, "That's rather
derivative." usually applied to popular music).

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On 03/03/2019 23:50, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 23:25:25 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....

"Grandfather's axe" being the original expression from which the OF&H
gag was derived (hence the derogatory expression, "That's rather
derivative." usually applied to popular music).

Its a great story that both establishes a philsophical isse of
'identity' and the stupidity of allowing a semantic description to
override the reality, and also the idea that a computer is not a
discrete entity, except in the mind. It is a collection of user
interchangeable components any one of which may be upgraded without
reference to any other. Although new MB needs new RAM ususally.

Cases cost money. £60 these days with PSUs.

Motheboard and RAM and CPU? Well boards and RAM arent bad but CPUS have
gone through the roof. Intel stuff is top £100-200 for ANYTHIUNG. Gone
are the sub £100 CPU days.

Best MB/RAM/CPU deal I found is around £130 for an AMD class mobo.

Reflecting the market where a home PC is now an ARM chip in a smartphone
of fondleslab.


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On 03/03/2019 23:25, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....


Precisely.

The reason this one got upgraded was that the onboard ethernet got a bit
flaky, and it hated booting with a USB webcam plugged in.

So a new motherboard and RAM went in.

The drive had been SSDed some time before and it had fast graphics card
as well for real time games

The server just grew like topsy..it gets more and more disk added every5
years or so when the existing disks start to go flaky.

But at heart its an old XP era mnini tower notherbaord and RAM. You dont
need a lot of power in as a server, or RAM. Just disk slots.

a 386 era machine back in the day could fully saturate a 100Mbps
ethernet connection.


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On 03/03/2019 23:25, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....


Thought it was Arkwright's in Open All Hours? No?

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On Monday, 4 March 2019 18:29:43 UTC, F wrote:
On 03/03/2019 23:25, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/02/2019 20:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2019 15:52, abueloeddie wrote:
Previously running several PC / M/S machinesÂ* They would fail
catastrophically and cost £££ each time to repair or replace.

Now ru8nning several PC/Linux machines. None havce failed
catastrophically although there is not much of this one left from
original. Its all been upgrade over the last 10 years. think the DVD
drive and case are original..


Trigger's Broom ....


Thought it was Arkwright's in Open All Hours? No?

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No it was triggers in OFAH but wouldn't suprise me if Arkwright had a similar system in place.