RJH wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news18_e/ds556rfc_12jul18_e.htm

Ha - good luck with that.

Laws against murder don't prevent murder, but what else can you do?

On 13/09/2018 18:30, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news18_e/ds556rfc_12jul18_e.htm

Ha - good luck with that.

Laws against murder don't prevent murder, but what else can you do?

They don't - but the consequences of non-compliance if you're caught are
pretty dire. Unlike playing fast/loose with WTO guidelines if you're the
US . . .

--
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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/09/18 12:29, RJH wrote:
As I see it, once we lose the power and influence of the EU juggernaut
we'll be far easier to kick around.

We are already being kicked around by the EU.

And sad old Turnip intends to stand up to them after we leave. Or perhaps
he thinks they will just go away.

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In article ,
RJH wrote:
On 13/09/2018 16:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Both the US and China seem to be sprinkling around tariffs willy
nilly. Not heard much from the WTO about those, have we?

https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news18_e/ds556rfc_12jul18_e.htm

Ha - good luck with that.

Quite. I'm sure Trump is quaking in his boots. But why does it need a
country to complain to the WTO when its rules are plainly broken? Or is it
just the toothless tiger it appears to be?

But then I don't understand Bexiteers. Let's not be controlled by the EU
where we are an equal member. Let's be controlled by the toothless WTO,
where absolutely no one polices it effectively against the likes of Trump.

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On 12/09/18 22:33, Josh Nack wrote:


"Chris Bartram" wrote in message
news
On 12/09/18 16:19, RJH wrote:

The thing is: what will happen to the 80% (or so) exported once we're
out of the the EU? What will the tariffs be? What will happen to
parts logistics? At very best - simply unknown. I can't see how JLR
can plan on that basis.

Just for example, take this:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ini-britain-eu


If a Mini, built in Oxfordshire, is sold outside the UK, the
crankshaft crosses the channel 4 times in total.

Stupid way to do things and explains why Korea leaves you lot for dead.

Nice morph, dumb answer.

Last time I checked, BMW were German owned, so it's not decided by "us
lot".

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 13/09/2018 08:14, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

What I mean is: what tariffs if any will, say, China impose on UK
manufactured JLR cars?

What tariffs do they impose today? As have no trade deal with the EU,
they can't treat the UK any differently ...



Yes they can.
They can charge less than WTO if they want.

but they have to charge all nations that same lower amount

Have you been asleep with Dave when we previous discussed this

tim

"RJH" wrote in message
news
On 13/09/2018 10:51, Rod Speed wrote:


"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 13/09/2018 08:14, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

What I mean is: what tariffs if any will, say, China impose on UK
manufactured JLR cars?

What tariffs do they impose today? As have no trade deal with the EU,
they can't treat the UK any differently ...



Yes they can.
They can charge less than WTO if they want.

There is no WTO tariff, ****wit.


Not quite the contradiction you imply - but see the link I referred to
above. The WTO 'langauge' is used to frame a good deal of what goes on.

But that's not my point - the UK exports a fair amount to China - and of
course the UK imports a load back. But substitute 'EU' for 'UK' - how will
the trade arrangements change?

As I see it, once we lose the power and influence of the EU juggernaut
we'll be far easier to kick around. I'd just like to see arguments to
convince me otherwise.

But they can't "kick around" the small countries. The have to have the same
rules for everyone, unless they enter into an FTA. And there is no sign
that the EU are going to manage an FTA with China (China have far more to
lose than they have to gain).

tim

In article , tim...
writes


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
More good news from Brexit. Jaguar will move production from the UK to the
EU if we end up with less than the same free movement of goods as now.

as JLR sell 20% of their cars in the UK

and 20% of their cars in Europe

moving to Europe would simply mean that they have to pay tariffs on the
20% that they export back to the UK instead of the 20% that they export
to Europe, after having paid out hundreds of millions to move their
factory

They are BLUFFING

tim


JLR are in a bit of trouble because
a) they are heavily dependent on diesel engines and b) their main export
market, China is in suspense as everyone is awaiting the promised drop
in import tariffs.
Their best selling models currently are the E-Pace and the Discovery
Sport. The latter's production is due to move to Slovakia anyway
regardless of Brexit.
Both these models are suffering in the UK because of their high co2
emissions meaning the punitive taxes on business cars puts people off.
Their SUV hybrid is based on the F-Pace and comes in at about £70k.
Some arse covering going on here I think.
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
tim... wrote:
If a company does 90% of its business in rEU and 10% in the UK then it
makes sense to move, as they will effectively save the costs on 80% of
their sales

What an odd if. The biggest customer for JLR products is China. Add that
to NA sales makes it about double the sales to the EU.

Just what tariffs NA and China may apply to good from the UK after we
leave the EU isn't known. Whereas JLR already know the conditions they
export under while the UK is in the EU.

but if the UK/EU sales are the same the costs saving from moving will be
ZERO

But surely we were told leaving the EU would push up workers wages? By
vastly reducing the supply of them? Which is going to increase JLR's
costs? Or was that just another empty promise to get the working class to
vote Brexit?

So you don't want workers wages to rise.
--
bert

In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 12/09/2018 15:54, tim... wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
* tim... wrote:
If a company does 90% of its business in rEU and 10% in the UK then it
makes sense to move, as they will effectively save the costs on 80% of
their sales

What an odd if. The biggest customer for JLR products is China. Add that
to NA sales makes it about double the sales to the EU.
yes
and as the EU does NOT have a trade deal with either of these
countries moving to the EU will not change their costs of supply to
those countries

Yes it will.
The costs are in the components not in exporting a car.


Just what tariffs NA and China may apply to good from the UK after

leave the EU isn't known.
yes it is
they will, because they MUST charge the same as they do to the EU.
Have you been asleep when ever WTO rules are discussed?

Whereas JLR already know the conditions they
export under while the UK is in the EU.

but if the UK/EU sales are the same the costs saving from moving will be
ZERO

But surely we were told leaving the EU would push up workers wages?
only at the bottom end.

So increasing costs and fuelling wage inflation.

So another remainer who wants to live on the backs of low wage workers.
--
bert

In article , Bob Eager
writes
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:43:34 +0100, tim... wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
More good news from Brexit. Jaguar will move production from the UK to
the EU if we end up with less than the same free movement of goods as
now.

as JLR sell 20% of their cars in the UK

and 20% of their cars in Europe

moving to Europe would simply mean that they have to pay tariffs on the
20%
that they export back to the UK instead of the 20% that they export to
Europe, after having paid out hundreds of millions to move their factory

They are BLUFFING

And they will also be able to use the existing EU export agreements to
many countries - which the UK hasn't started thinking about negotiating.

Yes it has.
--
bert

In article , tim...
writes


"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2018 20:43, tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
More good news from Brexit. Jaguar will move production from the UK
to the
EU if we end up with less than the same free movement of goods as now.

as JLR sell 20% of their cars in the UK

and 20% of their cars in Europe

moving to Europe would simply mean that they have to pay tariffs on
the 20% that they export back to the UK instead of the 20% that they
export to Europe, after having paid out hundreds of millions to move
their factory

Final sales are only a small part of the picture. On average, only
41% of the parts used in UK built cars are made in the UK.

so that's at worse 60/40 to the EU, perhaps

but what about those parts that are made in ROW?

It may well make sense for a manufacturer to move to Europe after
Brexit, if most of their supplies come from there.

but 60/40 is hardly a game changer for a factory that going to cost
100s of millions to move

and where, when the dust has settled, the EU will very likely come to
their senses and realise that they have to do a deal with us anyway.

If we weren't in the EU today you would be overwhelmed in the rush of
the EU trying to make a deal with the 5th largest economy in the world
and the single largest external market for its exports.

If we do leave "without a deal" because of their nonsensical argument
that the only acceptable solution to the Irish problem is a border down
the Irish Sea, once we have left (with no border down the Irish Sea and
hence one with RoI instead) they will be screaming for a deal so that
they can do what they should be doing now - solving the Irish border
problem by a mutually acceptable trade arrangement with the UK.

tim


About time we pointed out to them that once we've left they cannot
automatically have unlimited tariff free access to the UK single market
and they cannot cherry pick.
--
bert

"RJH" wrote in message
news
On 13/09/2018 10:51, Rod Speed wrote:


"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 13/09/2018 08:14, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

What I mean is: what tariffs if any will, say, China impose on UK
manufactured JLR cars?

What tariffs do they impose today? As have no trade deal with the EU,
they can't treat the UK any differently ...

Yes they can.
They can charge less than WTO if they want.

There is no WTO tariff, ****wit.


Not quite the contradiction you imply

Wrong.

- but see the link I referred to above. The WTO 'langauge' is used to
frame a good deal of what goes on.

Thats not an alleged WTO tariff.

But that's not my point

I didnt comment on your point, I commented on Dense's lie.

- the UK exports a fair amount to China - and of course the UK imports a
load back. But substitute 'EU' for 'UK' - how will the trade arrangements
change?

They wont and there is no WTO tariff that will apply either.

As I see it, once we lose the power and influence of the EU juggernaut

There is nothing of the sort with China.

we'll be far easier to kick around.

Fantasy. China is a WTO signatory so can't kick Britain around.

I'd just like to see arguments to convince me otherwise.

China is a WTO signatory and so has to treat Britain
tariff wise just like everyone else, including the EU.
Britain isnt even a developing country which can be
treated differently tariff wise in some circumstances
and that is more favourable treatment anyway.

I've read in outline the Canada+ proposals - Canada's nothing like
applicable to the UK as I see it.

Yes, because there is a real incentive for the EU to make
it appear to be hard to leave the EU to discourage any
other country considering doing that from doing that.

And anyway, a majority of those who bothered to vote
voted to leave the EU and you get to like that or lump it.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
RJH wrote:
he EU is its own enormous trade lobby, and has considerable clout.
What's the quid pro quo for China when dealing with the UK? Of course,
the UK can hope a free trade deal will arise. What I'm failing to see is
why that should happen.

+1. We are a tiny market compared to the EU. Even although an important
one within it. The idea we can 'beat' the EU at its own game just a dream
of stupid old men.

On the other hand, it is much easier for the UK outside
the EU to do a trade deal with an individual country
than it is for the EU, because every single country
in the EU has a veto on every single detail of the deal.
That isnt the case with the UK and plenty of the old
commonwealth countries which got an obscene
gesture from the UK when it joined the EEC will be
quite happy to return to the deal they used to have
instead of having their imports into the UK slugged
with tariffs that are there to protect very inefficient
EU producers of those goods.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
What I mean is: what tariffs if any will, say, China impose on UK
manufactured JLR cars?

What tariffs do they impose today? As have no trade deal with the EU,
they can't treat the UK any differently ...

Really? Both the US and China seem to be sprinkling around tariffs willy
nilly. Not heard much from the WTO about those, have we?

Not yet. WTO action of the flouting of WTO rules takes time.

"Chris Bartram" wrote in message
news
On 12/09/18 22:33, Josh Nack wrote:


"Chris Bartram" wrote in message
news
On 12/09/18 16:19, RJH wrote:

The thing is: what will happen to the 80% (or so) exported once we're
out of the the EU? What will the tariffs be? What will happen to parts
logistics? At very best - simply unknown. I can't see how JLR can plan
on that basis.

Just for example, take this:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ini-britain-eu

If a Mini, built in Oxfordshire, is sold outside the UK, the crankshaft
crosses the channel 4 times in total.

Stupid way to do things and explains why Korea leaves you lot for dead.

Nice morph, dumb answer.

Last time I checked, BMW were German owned, so it's not decided by "us
lot".

The you lot was talking about the EU, not the UK.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:07:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

FLUSH troll's stinking troll ****

....and much better air in here again!

--
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"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****."
MID:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:24:08 +1000, Josh Nack, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

What tariffs do they impose today? As have no trade deal with the EU,
they can't treat the UK any differently ...

Really? Both the US and China seem to be sprinkling around tariffs willy
nilly. Not heard much from the WTO about those, have we?

Not yet. WTO action of the flouting of WTO rules takes time.

BG How MUCH time, Mr Know-it-all?

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"His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..."
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:21:51 +1000, Josh Nack, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

he EU is its own enormous trade lobby, and has considerable clout.
What's the quid pro quo for China when dealing with the UK? Of course,
the UK can hope a free trade deal will arise. What I'm failing to see is
why that should happen.

+1. We are a tiny market compared to the EU. Even although an important
one within it. The idea we can 'beat' the EU at its own game just a dream
of stupid old men.

On the other hand, it is much easier for the UK outside
the EU to do a trade deal with an individual country
than it is for the EU, because every single country
in the EU has a veto on every single detail of the deal.
That isnt the case with the UK and plenty of the old
commonwealth countries which got an obscene
gesture from the UK when it joined the EEC will be
quite happy to return to the deal they used to have
instead of having their imports into the UK slugged
with tariffs that are there to protect very inefficient
EU producers of those goods.

ONLY in your senile ossified Ozziehead, Ozzietard! LOL

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"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it."
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:55:13 +1000, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Stupid way to do things and explains why Korea leaves you lot for dead.

Nice morph, dumb answer.

Last time I checked, BMW were German owned, so it's not decided by "us
lot".

The you lot was talking about the EU, not the UK.

Does it matter? You produce nothing but endless senile bull**** anyway, Rot!

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On 13/09/2018 21:07, Rod Speed wrote:


"RJH" wrote in message
news
On 13/09/2018 10:51, Rod Speed wrote:


"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 13/09/2018 08:14, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

What I mean is: what tariffs if any will, say, China impose on UK
manufactured JLR cars?

What tariffs do they impose today? As have no trade deal with the
EU, they can't treat the UK any differently ...

Yes they can.
They can charge less than WTO if they want.

There is no WTO tariff, ****wit.


Not quite the contradiction you imply

Wrong.

- but see the link I referred to above. The WTO 'langauge' is used to
frame a good deal of what goes on.

Thats not an alleged WTO tariff.

But that's not my point

I didnt comment on your point, I commented on Dense's lie.

- the UK exports a fair amount to China - and of course the UK imports
a load back. But substitute 'EU' for 'UK' - how will the trade
arrangements change?

They wont and there is no WTO tariff that will apply either.

As I see it, once we lose the power and influence of the EU juggernaut

There is nothing of the sort with China.

we'll be far easier to kick around.

Fantasy. China is a WTO signatory so can't kick Britain around.

I'd just like to see arguments to convince me otherwise.

China is a WTO signatory and so has to treat Britain
tariff wise just like everyone else, including the EU.
Britain isnt even a developing country which can be
treated differently tariff wise in some circumstances
and that is more favourable treatment anyway.


I hear what you're saying - but I still don't know.

Firstly, this 'treating everyone the same' not only sounds unlikely,
it's underpinned by the word 'normally'.

Second, all of this seems to have layers of sub-agreements. It's sort of
outlined in this article:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36470809

"In a BBC interview, the WTO's director general, Roberto Azevedo, said
Britain would not have the same negotiating leverage as the EU."

And the UK is a basket case in this context, with a heavily service
based economy, and complicated interdependencies.

I'm not claiming I know what will happen with a no-deal WTO exit - it's
just that from a limited understanding, it doesn't look favourable, at
least in the short term (say 10 years).

And frankly I don't have the time (or capacity) to even try to get to
grips with the detail (which is why China was probably a bad example)
when I can't get a clear idea about it all in general.

One of the more bizarre things apparently happening right now is that
the UK has sent a delegation of civil servants to Turkey, to try and
carve out some food security - they produce a lot of food, it seems,
that we might need post-Brexit. And in return for a favourable deal -
preferential work visas for Turkish citizens.

Source Private Eye, but hey, the irony :-)

--
Cheers, Rob

"RJH" wrote in message
news
On 13/09/2018 21:07, Rod Speed wrote:


"RJH" wrote in message
news
On 13/09/2018 10:51, Rod Speed wrote:


"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 13/09/2018 08:14, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

What I mean is: what tariffs if any will, say, China impose on UK
manufactured JLR cars?

What tariffs do they impose today? As have no trade deal with the EU,
they can't treat the UK any differently ...

Yes they can.
They can charge less than WTO if they want.

There is no WTO tariff, ****wit.


Not quite the contradiction you imply

Wrong.

- but see the link I referred to above. The WTO 'langauge' is used to
frame a good deal of what goes on.

Thats not an alleged WTO tariff.

But that's not my point

I didnt comment on your point, I commented on Dense's lie.

- the UK exports a fair amount to China - and of course the UK imports a
load back. But substitute 'EU' for 'UK' - how will the trade
arrangements change?

They wont and there is no WTO tariff that will apply either.

As I see it, once we lose the power and influence of the EU juggernaut

There is nothing of the sort with China.

we'll be far easier to kick around.

Fantasy. China is a WTO signatory so can't kick Britain around.

I'd just like to see arguments to convince me otherwise.

China is a WTO signatory and so has to treat Britain
tariff wise just like everyone else, including the EU.
Britain isnt even a developing country which can be
treated differently tariff wise in some circumstances
and that is more favourable treatment anyway.

I hear what you're saying - but I still don't know.

Firstly, this 'treating everyone the same' not only sounds unlikely,

Its required by the WTO rules with tariffs.

it's underpinned by the word 'normally'.

What ?

Second, all of this seems to have layers of sub-agreements.

Nope.

It's sort of outlined in this article:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36470809

"In a BBC interview, the WTO's director general, Roberto Azevedo, said
Britain would not have the same negotiating leverage as the EU."

While that's theoretically true, its talking about new trade
agreements and the massive problem the EU has with those
is that every single EU member country has a veto right on
every single detail of any agreement with the EU and that
means that even tho it has in theory more negotiating
leverage, in practice it also has that other massive problem.

And Britain doesnt need negotiating leverage with the
commonwealth countrys which were given the obscene
gesture when Britain joined the EEC, they are all happy
to be allowed to export to Britain now without any
tariffs applying and there isnt any point in Britain
demanding any quid pro quo with say British car
exports now that almost all British car manufacturers
are in fact foreign owned now.

And the UK is a basket case in this context,

Bull****.

with a heavily service based economy,

Just like every other modern first and second world country now.

and complicated interdependencies.

Just like every other modern first and second world country now.

I'm not claiming I know what will happen with a no-deal WTO exit - it's
just that from a limited understanding, it doesn't look favourable, at
least in the short term (say 10 years).

Then you need new glassed, bad. It clearly works fine for Korean, Japan,
India, Australia, New Zealand, the USA and did for Canada too.

And frankly I don't have the time (or capacity) to even try to get to
grips with the detail (which is why China was probably a bad example) when
I can't get a clear idea about it all in general.

One of the more bizarre things apparently happening right now is that the
UK has sent a delegation of civil servants to Turkey, to try and carve out
some food security - they produce a lot of food, it seems, that we might
need post-Brexit.

Thats completely silly. There will be no problem with
food security post brexit, the rest of the world will be
happy to flog britain any food it wants to buy.

And in return for a favourable deal

Dont need a deal to get food from Turkey or anyone else.

- preferential work visas for Turkish citizens.

Even sillier.

Source Private Eye, but hey, the irony :-)

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:09:26 +1000, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


"In a BBC interview, the WTO's director general, Roberto Azevedo, said
Britain would not have the same negotiating leverage as the EU."

While that's theoretically true, its talking about new trade

Now the senile Ozzie cretin has turned into a trade specialist! LOL Anyone
still wondering why nobody in RL seems to want to talk to the senile ****
and why he needs to troll online? BG

--
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In article ,
tim... wrote:
Yes they can.
They can charge less than WTO if they want.

but they have to charge all nations that same lower amount

ITYM those nations who decide to do what they say. Not China, US, Canada,
Mexico. And I'm sure a few more besides.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
bert wrote:
Both these models are suffering in the UK because of their high co2
emissions meaning the punitive taxes on business cars puts people off.

Been increased recently, has it?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
bert wrote:
But surely we were told leaving the EU would push up workers wages? By
vastly reducing the supply of them? Which is going to increase JLR's
costs? Or was that just another empty promise to get the working class to
vote Brexit?

So you don't want workers wages to rise.

Remind us what you thought of that nice Mr Scargill wanting to increase
coal workers pay?

You may have to use your other face to answer that one.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13/09/18 20:37, bert wrote:
In article , tim...
writes


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
More good news from Brexit. Jaguar will move production from the UK
to the
EU if we end up with less than the same free movement of goods as now.

as JLR sell 20% of their cars in the UK

and 20% of their cars in Europe

moving to Europe would simply mean that they have to pay tariffs on
the 20% that they export back to the UK instead of the 20% that they
export to Europe, after having paid out hundreds of millions to move
their factory

They are BLUFFING

tim


JLR are in a bit of trouble because
a) they are heavily dependent on diesel engines and b) their main export
market, China is in suspense as everyone is awaiting the promised drop
in import tariffs.
Their best selling models currently are the E-Pace and the Discovery
Sport. The latter's production is due to move to Slovakia anyway
regardless of Brexit.
Both these models are suffering in the UK because of their high co2
emissions meaning the punitive taxes on business cars puts people off.
Their SUV hybrid is based on the F-Pace and comes in at about £70k.
Some arse covering going on here I think.

Jagiar lanbd rover are in fact booming


--
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"Saki"

On 13/09/18 18:30, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news18_e/ds556rfc_12jul18_e.htm

Ha - good luck with that.

Laws against murder don't prevent murder, but what else can you do?

Minority report.


--
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

On 13/09/18 19:32, tim... wrote:
And there is no sign that the EU are going to manage an FTA with China
(China have far more to lose than they have to gain).

I think you have that exactly wrong. China has everything to gain but
the EU would lose most of its basic industry if they dropped tariffs on
Chinese imports


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This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

On 13/09/2018 20:38, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Â* tim... wrote:
If a company does 90% of its business in rEU and 10% in the UK then it
makes sense to move, as they will effectively save the costs on 80% of
their sales

What an odd if. The biggest customer for JLR products is China. Add that
to NA sales makes it about double the sales to the EU.

Just what tariffs NA and China may apply to good from the UK after we
leave the EU isn't known. Whereas JLR already know the conditions they
export under while the UK is in the EU.

but if the UK/EU sales are the same the costs saving from moving will be
ZERO

But surely we were told leaving the EU would push up workers wages? By
vastly reducing the supply of them? Which is going to increase JLR's
costs? Or was that just another empty promise to get the working class to
vote Brexit?

So you don't want workers wages to rise.

He might have at one time, but not now he's not working.

DP supports the politics of envy.

On 14/09/2018 00:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
bert wrote:
But surely we were told leaving the EU would push up workers wages? By
vastly reducing the supply of them? Which is going to increase JLR's
costs? Or was that just another empty promise to get the working class to
vote Brexit?

So you don't want workers wages to rise.

Remind us what you thought of that nice Mr Scargill wanting to increase
coal workers pay?

That nice Mr Scargill successfully increased miners pay.

Then he decided to overthrow an elected government and was met with
whatever was needed to ensure he couldn't.


You may have to use your other face to answer that one.

Dave Plowman wrote:

bert wrote:

Both these models are suffering in the UK because of their high co2
emissions meaning the punitive taxes on business cars puts people off.

Been increased recently, has it?

Maybe worthwhile if doing interstellar mileage, but the last 20 years
doing up to 20k miles (less the last couple) I've found it easier and
cheaper to own the car personally and claim at the AMAP rates.

Given that in recent years, car tax (both BIK and VED) have moved to be
CO2 based, the nasty little sting they've added recently is an extra
£310/year based on the list price of the car, purely on a "well you can
afford it" basis ...

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
But surely we were told leaving the EU would push up workers wages? By
vastly reducing the supply of them? Which is going to increase JLR's
costs? Or was that just another empty promise to get the working class to
vote Brexit?

So you don't want workers wages to rise.

He might have at one time, but not now he's not working.

DP supports the politics of envy.

I suppose if you say it, must be true. You've learned well from Trump.
And good to see you in bed with bert. You deserve one another.

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In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

bert wrote:

Both these models are suffering in the UK because of their high co2
emissions meaning the punitive taxes on business cars puts people off.

Been increased recently, has it?

Maybe worthwhile if doing interstellar mileage, but the last 20 years
doing up to 20k miles (less the last couple) I've found it easier and
cheaper to own the car personally and claim at the AMAP rates.

Given that in recent years, car tax (both BIK and VED) have moved to be
CO2 based, the nasty little sting they've added recently is an extra
£310/year based on the list price of the car, purely on a "well you can
afford it" basis ...

Someone has to pay for the Tory income tax cuts to the best off. Why not
the motorist?

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