On 13/09/2018 21:07, Rod Speed wrote:


"RJH" wrote in message
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On 13/09/2018 10:51, Rod Speed wrote:


"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 13/09/2018 08:14, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

What I mean is: what tariffs if any will, say, China impose on UK
manufactured JLR cars?

What tariffs do they impose today? As have no trade deal with the
EU, they can't treat the UK any differently ...

Yes they can.
They can charge less than WTO if they want.

There is no WTO tariff, ****wit.


Not quite the contradiction you imply

Wrong.

- but see the link I referred to above. The WTO 'langauge' is used to
frame a good deal of what goes on.

Thats not an alleged WTO tariff.

But that's not my point

I didnt comment on your point, I commented on Dense's lie.

- the UK exports a fair amount to China - and of course the UK imports
a load back. But substitute 'EU' for 'UK' - how will the trade
arrangements change?

They wont and there is no WTO tariff that will apply either.

As I see it, once we lose the power and influence of the EU juggernaut

There is nothing of the sort with China.

we'll be far easier to kick around.

Fantasy. China is a WTO signatory so can't kick Britain around.

I'd just like to see arguments to convince me otherwise.

China is a WTO signatory and so has to treat Britain
tariff wise just like everyone else, including the EU.
Britain isnt even a developing country which can be
treated differently tariff wise in some circumstances
and that is more favourable treatment anyway.


I hear what you're saying - but I still don't know.

Firstly, this 'treating everyone the same' not only sounds unlikely,
it's underpinned by the word 'normally'.

Second, all of this seems to have layers of sub-agreements. It's sort of
outlined in this article:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36470809

"In a BBC interview, the WTO's director general, Roberto Azevedo, said
Britain would not have the same negotiating leverage as the EU."

And the UK is a basket case in this context, with a heavily service
based economy, and complicated interdependencies.

I'm not claiming I know what will happen with a no-deal WTO exit - it's
just that from a limited understanding, it doesn't look favourable, at
least in the short term (say 10 years).

And frankly I don't have the time (or capacity) to even try to get to
grips with the detail (which is why China was probably a bad example)
when I can't get a clear idea about it all in general.

One of the more bizarre things apparently happening right now is that
the UK has sent a delegation of civil servants to Turkey, to try and
carve out some food security - they produce a lot of food, it seems,
that we might need post-Brexit. And in return for a favourable deal -
preferential work visas for Turkish citizens.

Source Private Eye, but hey, the irony :-)

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Cheers, Rob