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Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week later.


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On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.


Impressed. Your skills are awesome, being able to get at least a week's
worth of cleaning in one hit.
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Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week later.


She's lucky if that's all it is.
I cleaned up once too:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Category:Cleaning


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On 27/05/2018 11:20, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.


Impressed. Your skills are awesome, being able to get at least a week's
worth of cleaning in one hit.



I lent her my Henry from the van.

All I am getting ATM is "When are you going to fit the fan?"



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On 27/05/2018 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.



Hope you wore hob-nailed boots in the bath to protect your feet.

Acrylic bath ??

Cheap tiling. ? Social housing ??, so shouldn't the HA be doing this ?.

Did she wash it all down the plug hole, followed by some Qtips and
wet wipes too ?.


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On 27/05/18 11:27, ARW wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:20, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.


Impressed. Your skills are awesome, being able to get at least a
week's worth of cleaning in one hit.



I lent her my Henry from the van.

All I am getting ATM is "When are you going to fit the fan?"


Are you able to get in a bit more brick dust with that?
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Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week later.


When doing that sort of job I have the Henry running just under where
I'm drilling and most of the 'mess' cleans itself up. ;-)

Cheers, T i m
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On 27/05/2018 11:46, Andrew wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.



Hope you wore hob-nailed boots in the bath to protect your feet.

Acrylic bath ??

Cheap tiling. ? Social housing ??, so shouldn't the HA be doing this ?.

Did she wash it all down the plug hole, followed by some Qtips and
wet wipes too ?.


DeWalt Challenger boots, a council house, enamel bath with dust sheets
in it - not that they did much apart from collect rubble[1], one tile is
upside down (you cannot see that because of the dust), the dust was
picked up by Henry and not flushed down plug hole.

It may be the LA's job to do the work (if needed). The bathroom is not
damp or mouldy however the recent addition of two kittens means the
window cannot now be left open. It is her choice to have the kittens not
the LA's choice so I decided to fit a fan and make sure the bathroom
stays mould free.


She "probably" should have asked for permission for the work doing but
she will just apply for retrospective permission when/if they notice the
work has been carried out[2].

[1] The cavity wall is full of rubble.
[2] I also fitted spot lights and I will soon fit an electric shower
without prior permission.

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On 27/05/2018 11:50, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2018 11:14:05 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week later.


When doing that sort of job I have the Henry running just under where
I'm drilling and most of the 'mess' cleans itself up. ;-)



Core holes are 360 degrees the mess goes in all directions and it needs
two arms to hold the core drill.





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On 27/05/2018 11:48, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:27, ARW wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:20, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in
the air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a
week later.

Impressed. Your skills are awesome, being able to get at least a
week's worth of cleaning in one hit.



I lent her my Henry from the van.

All I am getting ATM is "When are you going to fit the fan?"


Are you able to get in a bit more brick dust with that?


She has gone to work. I might do the chase up the wall for the cable
whilst she is at work.



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On 27/05/2018 12:22, ARW wrote:

[1] The cavity wall is full of rubble.


That's Irish cavity wall insulation.


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On 27/05/18 12:30, ARW wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:48, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:27, ARW wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:20, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in
the air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a
week later.

Impressed. Your skills are awesome, being able to get at least a
week's worth of cleaning in one hit.


I lent her my Henry from the van.

All I am getting ATM is "When are you going to fit the fan?"


Are you able to get in a bit more brick dust with that?


She has gone to work. I might do the chase up the wall for the cable
whilst she is at work.


Great! Don't forget to post pics. A video of the reaction would be a bonus.

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She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week later.


When doing that sort of job I have the Henry running just under where
I'm drilling and most of the 'mess' cleans itself up. ;-)



Core holes are 360 degrees


I know, I have a set and have used them quite a bit.

the mess goes in all directions


It can, yes, but much of it would go less distance away if it was
being removed at source.

and it needs
two arms to hold the core drill.


Yup, but there are ways of making a Henry nozzle stay in place under
the work, not just by using an assistant ('she' wanted the work doing,
what would stop 'her' helping)?

So, when I have used the likes of a Henry to do such jobs, one of the
'problems' is having to stop every so often to empty the Henry ...
stuff that would otherwise gone elsewhere?

Even if I'm only drilling a few holes in an internal wall, if I don't
use an envelope taped to the wall under where I'm drilling I'll get
the Mrs to hold the Henry nozzle up under it and rarely does any stuff
escape. We do that not because it's the only way of working but we
have found it the easiest way of working (not having to pull
everything out to lean up afterwards).

I used to help my mate do those sorts of jobs in his shop but one day
'someone else' help him and he was finding brick-dust in and on stuff
months later. ;-(

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On 27/05/18 12:30, ARW wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:48, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:27, ARW wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:20, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in
the air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a
week later.

Impressed. Your skills are awesome, being able to get at least a
week's worth of cleaning in one hit.


I lent her my Henry from the van.

All I am getting ATM is "When are you going to fit the fan?"


Are you able to get in a bit more brick dust with that?


She has gone to work. I might do the chase up the wall for the cable
whilst she is at work.


Great! Don't forget to post pics. A video of the reaction would be a bonus.



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My core drill set includes a hollow mandrel with a collector that connects to a Henry hose. Not perfect but the vast majority of the dust is sucked away from the cutting edge to the inside of the cutter. Keeps the cutter from clogging as long as the wall is dry. Absolutely useless with a wet wall as the dust turns to mud.


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Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.
Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.


Possibly if you had used a dust sheet ............


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My core drill set includes a hollow mandrel with a collector that
connects to a Henry hose. Not perfect but the vast majority of the
dust is sucked away from the cutting edge to the inside of the
cutter. Keeps the cutter from clogging as long as the wall is dry.
Absolutely useless with a wet wall as the dust turns to mud.


I'm a +1 on that.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/marcrist-...mm-3-pcs/4441f

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On 27/05/2018 11:50, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2018 11:14:05 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.


When doing that sort of job I have the Henry running just under where
I'm drilling and most of the 'mess' cleans itself up. ;-)



Core holes are 360 degrees the mess goes in all directions and it needs
two arms to hold the core drill.





And a girlfriend to hold the vac.
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On 27/05/2018 16:32, FMurtz wrote:
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On 27/05/2018 11:50, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2018 11:14:05 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a
week later.

When doing that sort of job I have the Henry running just under where
I'm drilling and most of the 'mess' cleans itself up. ;-)



Core holes are 360 degrees the mess goes in all directions and it
needs two arms to hold the core drill.





And a girlfriend to hold the vac.Ā*



And lose the surprise?

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All I am getting ATM is "When are you going to fit the fan?"


Bathroom's got to be completely clean before fitting the fan as otherwise it will suck the dust into its motor.

Probably about six months should do.

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On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.


Heh. I got in an electrician in to drill a hole for an extractor fan
when I realised that the top third of the hole went through the edge of
the lintel above the window. Fortunately he had a spare diamond core
drill with him, as the first one gave up half-way through after tacking
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On 27/05/2018 17:15, Jeff Layman wrote:
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Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.


Heh. I got in an electrician in to drill a hole for an extractor fan
when I realised that the top third of the hole went through the edge of
the lintel above the window. Fortunately he had a spare diamond core
drill with him, as the first one gave up half-way through after tacking
a rebar.



TBH its not normally an electricians job. At work I would have an
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TBH its not normally an electricians job. At work I would have an
apprentice do it.


You'd give one of *your* apprentices a core drill???

The ones that have barely mastered toilet paper?

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TBH its not normally an electricians job. At work I would have an
apprentice do it.


You'd give one of *your* apprentices a core drill???

The ones that have barely mastered toilet paper?

Owain


I'd want to see some sense before giving someone a core drill, they're capable of injury very easily.

At one place even a dewalt sds made near zero progress with a drill bit. And yes, the walls were very thick.


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On 27/05/18 20:32, pamela wrote:
On 11:14 27 May 2018, ARW wrote:

Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill
it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in
the air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a
week later.


OMG! What a sight. I feel faint just looking at it.

How did the nice workmen who installed our bathroom a few years ago
manage to core drill a hole for a 4inch extractor (going through 100
year old brick) without making anything like that mess?


The plumbers got my gas flue out with less mess, but I'm pretty sure
they had a hoover under the core bit. That's the key.

I've done smaller cores single handed and it can produce one hell of a
lot of dust - and that can get chucked quite a way sideways too.


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Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill
it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in
the air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a
week later.


OMG! What a sight. I feel faint just looking at it.

How did the nice workmen who installed our bathroom a few years ago
manage to core drill a hole for a 4inch extractor (going through 100
year old brick) without making anything like that mess?


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You'd give one of *your* apprentices a core drill???
The ones that have barely mastered toilet paper?

I'd want to see some sense before giving someone a core drill, they're
capable of injury very easily.


I was more concerned about damage to nearby inanimate objects rather than operator injury.

Apprentices are replaceable.

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Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.

When doing that sort of job I have the Henry running just under where
I'm drilling and most of the 'mess' cleans itself up. ;-)



Core holes are 360 degrees the mess goes in all directions and it needs
two arms to hold the core drill.





And a girlfriend to hold the vac.


He's got a midget too, tho he may be getting a bit taller now.

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On 27/05/2018 11:27, ARW wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:20, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in the
air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a week
later.


Impressed. Your skills are awesome, being able to get at least a
week's worth of cleaning in one hit.



I lent her my Henry from the van.


You certainly know how to treat her!

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Incredible !

A vac running just below the cutter would have prevented most of that..


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Incredible !

A vac running just below the cutter would have prevented most of that..



He said he had no help that day and needed both hands on the core drill
(as you would for a 4" core).
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Incredible !


A vac running just below the cutter would have prevented most of that..


He said he had no help that day and needed both
hands on the core drill (as you would for a 4" core).


But it would have made more sense to wait till help was available.

He has two who could have held the vac.
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On 27/05/2018 12:30, ARW wrote:
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On 27/05/18 11:27, ARW wrote:
On 27/05/2018 11:20, Richard wrote:
On 27/05/18 11:14, ARW wrote:
Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's
bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.

There was a bit of dust for her to clean up (and a lot of dust in
the air as seen on the photo)

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/3/34/Abitofdust.jpg

She is still complaining about having to do a spot of cleaning a
week later.

Impressed. Your skills are awesome, being able to get at least a
week's worth of cleaning in one hit.


I lent her my Henry from the van.

All I am getting ATM is "When are you going to fit the fan?"


Are you able to get in a bit more brick dust with that?


She has gone to work. I might do the chase up the wall for the cable
whilst she is at work.


With an angle grinder to ensure maximum dust?

SteveW

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She has gone to work. I might do the chase up the wall for the cable
whilst she is at work.


With an angle grinder to ensure maximum dust?

;-)

My slot cutter has dust extraction and again, whilst it's not perfect
it makes a big difference to how much dust is spread elsewhere. Again,
you can easily see what it's doing by how often you have to empty it!

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Last week I core drilled a hole for an extractor fan in the gf's bathroom.

Bloody hard bricks and it took me over an hour and half to drill it.


It took the poor guy who installed our wood burner best part of four
hours and destroyed one of his core drills in the process. Old handmade
clay bricks with small oval flint pebbles in that were just the right
size to spin round without cutting at all until suddenly they jammed.

Every time it happened he got a right kicking off the drill too.

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My slot cutter has dust extraction and again, whilst it's not perfect
it makes a big difference to how much dust is spread elsewhere. Again,
you can easily see what it's doing by how often you have to empty it!


Is it just me or do others get an enormous amount of satisfaction seeing large quantities of dust in the vacuum collection bin, knowing that if I wasn't vacuuming at source all that would've been in the air / on the floor?

At the risk of taking this a step too far (too late?), at the sight of seeing dust being sucked into the vacuum nozzle from beneath a drill bit I actually feel a strong temptation to keep drilling holes even if/where I don't need to!!
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On Monday, 28 May 2018 08:31:31 UTC+1, T i m wrote:

My slot cutter has dust extraction and again, whilst it's not perfect
it makes a big difference to how much dust is spread elsewhere. Again,
you can easily see what it's doing by how often you have to empty it!


Is it just me or do others get an enormous amount of satisfaction seeing
large quantities of dust in the vacuum collection bin, knowing that if I
wasn't vacuuming at source all that would've been in the air / on the
floor?


At the risk of taking this a step too far (too late?), at the sight of
seeing
dust being sucked into the vacuum nozzle from beneath a drill bit I
actually
feel a strong temptation to keep drilling holes even if/where I don't need
to!!


You can get professional help with that now.

But it may well involve one of those funky canvas jackets
with very long sleeves and a jab in the bum with a syringe.

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On Monday, 28 May 2018 08:31:31 UTC+1, T i mĀ* wrote:

My slot cutter has dust extraction and again, whilst it's not perfect
it makes a big difference to how much dust is spread elsewhere. Again,
you can easily see what it's doing by how often you have to empty it!


Is it just me or do others get an enormous amount of satisfaction seeing
large quantities of dust in the vacuum collection bin, knowing that if I
wasn't vacuuming at source all that would've been in the air / on the
floor?


At the risk of taking this a step too far (too late?), at the sight of
seeing
dust being sucked into the vacuum nozzle from beneath a drill bit I
actually
feel a strong temptation to keep drilling holes even if/where I don't
need to!!


You can get professional help with that now.

But it may well involve one of those funky canvas jackets
with very long sleeves and a jab in the bum with a syringe.


It's a first to see an amusing post from you. Perhaps you should refrain
from your normal post and concentrate on humour.

Have you considered stand up?

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On Monday, 28 May 2018 08:31:31 UTC+1, T i m wrote:

My slot cutter has dust extraction and again, whilst it's not perfect
it makes a big difference to how much dust is spread elsewhere. Again,
you can easily see what it's doing by how often you have to empty it!


Is it just me or do others get an enormous amount of satisfaction seeing large quantities of dust in the vacuum collection bin, knowing that if I wasn't vacuuming at source all that would've been in the air / on the floor?


Nope, not just you. And it's not just that, it's knowing that you will
have less cleanup afterwards (as it *does* get everywhere). ;-(

At the risk of taking this a step too far (too late?),


Yup. ;-)

at the sight of seeing dust being sucked into the vacuum nozzle from beneath a drill bit I actually feel a strong temptation to keep drilling holes even if/where I don't need to!!


Erm ... no, whilst I can see the appeal it isn't something I would do
personally. ;-)

Cheers, T i m



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