Are people deaf nowadays? I have a good old system boiler, just a burner and a tank. The pump is in the attic and there's no fan. So silent. How do people put up with modern boilers? Whenever I'm in someone's house with a modern boiler, I always notice the ****ing racket it's making, as loud as a washing machine.

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On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:50:52 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, set out yet another idiotic bait:


FLUSH the abnormal attention whore's latest idiotic attention-baiting
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the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
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You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
historical cases, citations and references to back it up and wilfully
ignore all going back to your idea which has no supporting information."
MID:

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MID:

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MID:

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"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
MID:

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"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID:

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"the **** poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID:

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"He's a perennial idiot"
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MID:

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"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID:

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MID:

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MID:

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explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

Yes indeed, Not only that but for years, my next door neighbour had a CH
system which was almost silent. A couple of years ago they had a new one
fitted, but in my downstairs sitting room the pump can be heard through some
kind of structure borne vibration. I know she has had the m fix this several
times but eventually it starts again. Sounds like a grinding noise through
the wall. In her house you can hear a low hum but when it fires up it sounds
a bit like Cape Canaveral, and she was told this is normal. I am beginning
to wonder if they just never test for anything like this, sure it works
well, but really inside a house joined to others its a bit rich when you
consider what these installations cost. The pump apparently is mounted on
rubber type grommets, but it shifts, and of course it has hard pipes
attached so its hard to completely isolate it. I begs the question, why did
the old one run so quietly?
Brian

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"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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Are people deaf nowadays? I have a good old system boiler, just a burner
and a tank. The pump is in the attic and there's no fan. So silent. How
do people put up with modern boilers? Whenever I'm in someone's house
with a modern boiler, I always notice the ****ing racket it's making, as
loud as a washing machine.

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Hendry jumps on Steve Davis's misses every chance he gets."

Brian Gaff submitted this idea :
A couple of years ago they had a new one fitted, but in my downstairs sitting
room the pump can be heard through some kind of structure borne vibration. I
know she has had the m fix this several times but eventually it starts again.
Sounds like a grinding noise through the wall. In her house you can hear a
low hum but when it fires up it sounds a bit like Cape Canaveral, and she was
told this is normal. I am beginning to wonder if they just never test for
anything like this, sure it works well, but really inside a house joined to
others its a bit rich when you consider what these installations cost.

Our pump is in the airing cupboard first floor. It is completely
inaudible, even if you go up there and open the cupboard door, even
then, I have to look at its 'pump running' LED. There is absolutely no
vibration on the pipes at all. The pump is just mounted in the copper
pipes. The only noise is the clicking of the pipes as the system heats
the radiators and as they cool. So I would suggest that pump of your
neighbour has a fault, is worn out, needs replacing..

The boiler has just been replaced, an Ideal swapped for a Vaillant.
Both in the kitchen, in their own wall cupboard. The Ideal was somewhat
quieter than the new Vaillant boiler in operation. The Vaillant is
supposed to have awards for its quietness. I had to open the cupboard
door to check the Ideal was burning, but not now with the Vaillant, but
it is not that noisy.

In article ,
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Are people deaf nowadays? I have a good old system boiler, just a
burner and a tank. The pump is in the attic and there's no fan. So
silent.

You're obviously deaf if you can't hear your burner running.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:50:52 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

Are people deaf nowadays? I have a good old system boiler, just a burner and a tank.
The pump is in the attic and there's no fan.
So silent. How do people put up with modern boilers? Whenever I'm in someone's house with a modern boiler,
I always notice the ****ing racket it's making, as loud as a washing machine.

The Viessmann we have is virtually silent when starting and running.

In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:50:52 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

Are people deaf nowadays? I have a good old system boiler, just a burner and a tank.
The pump is in the attic and there's no fan.
So silent. How do people put up with modern boilers? Whenever I'm in someone's house with a modern boiler,
I always notice the ****ing racket it's making, as loud as a washing machine.

The Viessmann we have is virtually silent when starting and running.

Yup. But then I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at a
premium.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) formulated the question :
Yup. But then I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at a
premium.

In our case, we have a large kitchen and the space it occupies (in a
matching cupboard unit) would have been just dead space anyway.

It is the third boiler to be fitted there, since the original, 22mm
pipes + gas were there and for the condensate, there was a drain
directly behind it. The location makes it also easy to keep an eye on
its operation and over ride the time clock for an impromptu bath, or
more HW when required for washing up.

Besides, where else would we put it? I wouldn't want it in the living
room, nor the bedrooms. The utility is already pretty full and wouldn't
be that useful to place it there.

Noise of the boiler is not that much of a problem, it is barely
audible.

On 13/05/2018 12:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:50:52 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

Are people deaf nowadays? I have a good old system boiler, just a burner and a tank.
The pump is in the attic and there's no fan.
So silent. How do people put up with modern boilers? Whenever I'm in someone's house with a modern boiler,
I always notice the ****ing racket it's making, as loud as a washing machine.

The Viessmann we have is virtually silent when starting and running.

Yup. But then I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at a
premium.

In our case, because our kitchen is small and therefore only for cooking
and washing, not eating or sitting, so noise is unimportant;
electricity, gas and water are all already present; it is a wall mounted
boiler, high on the wall, so takes no useful space up; in any other room
it would look stupid.

SteveW

If it was on Paulstradyne mounts it shouldn't vibrate to your house.


On Sun, 13 May 2018 07:52:30 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Yes indeed, Not only that but for years, my next door neighbour had a CH
system which was almost silent. A couple of years ago they had a new one
fitted, but in my downstairs sitting room the pump can be heard through some
kind of structure borne vibration. I know she has had the m fix this several
times but eventually it starts again. Sounds like a grinding noise through
the wall. In her house you can hear a low hum but when it fires up it sounds
a bit like Cape Canaveral, and she was told this is normal. I am beginning
to wonder if they just never test for anything like this, sure it works
well, but really inside a house joined to others its a bit rich when you
consider what these installations cost. The pump apparently is mounted on
rubber type grommets, but it shifts, and of course it has hard pipes
attached so its hard to completely isolate it. I begs the question, why did
the old one run so quietly?
Brian



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On Sun, 13 May 2018 10:40:44 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Are people deaf nowadays? I have a good old system boiler, just a
burner and a tank. The pump is in the attic and there's no fan. So
silent.

You're obviously deaf if you can't hear your burner running.

I can if I stand next to it. But the ignition whoosh I can hear in the next room.

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Spare the 5.03 metres and spoil the child.
Twenty-eight grams of prevention is worth 453 grams of cure.
Give a man 2.54 centimetres and he'll take 1.61 kilometres.
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What is wrong with you?
I was actually wondering if it takes one to know one :-)
Brian

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"Peeler" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:50:52 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James
Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, set out yet another
idiotic bait:


FLUSH the abnormal attention whore's latest idiotic attention-baiting
BULL**** unread again


--
about Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson"
LOL) trolling:
"He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
MID:

--
ItsJoanNotJoann addressing Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"You're an annoying troll and I'm done with you and your
stupidity."
MID:

--
AndyW addressing Birdbrain:
"Troll or idiot?...
You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
historical cases, citations and references to back it up and wilfully
ignore all going back to your idea which has no supporting information."
MID:

--
Phil Lee adressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are too stupid to be wasting oxygen."
MID:

--
Phil Lee describing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I've never seen such misplaced pride in being a ****ing moronic
motorist."
MID:

--
Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
MID:

--
Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
"Ok. I'm persuaded . You are an idiot."
MID:

--
DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
MID:

--
Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"the **** poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID:

--
Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
"He's a perennial idiot"
MID: 20170519215057.56a1f1d4@Mars

--
JoeyDee to Birdbrain
"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You're just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments."
MID: l-september.org

--
Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson Sword" LOL):
"He's just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be."
MID:

--
asking Birdbrain:
"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID:

--
Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "James
Wilkinson" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will
not
be missed."
MID:

--
Richard to pathetic ****** Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID:

--
about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a ******** with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID:

--
francis about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID:

--
Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:48:26 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

On 13/05/2018 12:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2018 22:50:52 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

Are people deaf nowadays? I have a good old system boiler, just a burner and a tank.
The pump is in the attic and there's no fan.
So silent. How do people put up with modern boilers? Whenever I'm in someone's house with a modern boiler,
I always notice the ****ing racket it's making, as loud as a washing machine.

The Viessmann we have is virtually silent when starting and running.

Yup. But then I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at a
premium.

In our case, because our kitchen is small and therefore only for cooking
and washing, not eating or sitting, so noise is unimportant;
electricity, gas and water are all already present; it is a wall mounted
boiler, high on the wall, so takes no useful space up; in any other room
it would look stupid.

Mine was apparently in the bedroom until the previous owner moved it into the kitchen. How anyone slept with that running I don't know.

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I don't know what hers is, so cannot comment. I was led to believe the pump
was renewed at the time and yes, its upstairs in the airing cupboard. In
which case she has been unlucky. The thing is it has made this noise since
new and the folk who put the system in claim they all are like that.
Brian

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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff submitted this idea :
A couple of years ago they had a new one fitted, but in my downstairs
sitting room the pump can be heard through some kind of structure borne
vibration. I know she has had the m fix this several times but eventually
it starts again. Sounds like a grinding noise through the wall. In her
house you can hear a low hum but when it fires up it sounds a bit like
Cape Canaveral, and she was told this is normal. I am beginning to wonder
if they just never test for anything like this, sure it works well, but
really inside a house joined to others its a bit rich when you consider
what these installations cost.

Our pump is in the airing cupboard first floor. It is completely
inaudible, even if you go up there and open the cupboard door, even then,
I have to look at its 'pump running' LED. There is absolutely no vibration
on the pipes at all. The pump is just mounted in the copper pipes. The
only noise is the clicking of the pipes as the system heats the radiators
and as they cool. So I would suggest that pump of your neighbour has a
fault, is worn out, needs replacing..

The boiler has just been replaced, an Ideal swapped for a Vaillant. Both
in the kitchen, in their own wall cupboard. The Ideal was somewhat quieter
than the new Vaillant boiler in operation. The Vaillant is supposed to
have awards for its quietness. I had to open the cupboard door to check
the Ideal was burning, but not now with the Vaillant, but it is not that
noisy.

Inside my house I can hear water flowing through pipes (the main ones around the pump), but I can't hear the pump itself. I can only hear the pump if I'm in the attic, which is why I hate newer boilers where the pump is in the boiler in the kitchen.


On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:56:20 +0100, Brian-Gaff wrote:

I don't know what hers is, so cannot comment. I was led to believe the pump
was renewed at the time and yes, its upstairs in the airing cupboard. In
which case she has been unlucky. The thing is it has made this noise since
new and the folk who put the system in claim they all are like that.
Brian



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Inside my house I can hear water flowing through pipes (the main ones around the pump), but I can't hear the pump itself. I can only hear the pump if I'm in the attic, which is why I hate newer boilers where the pump is in the boiler in the kitchen.


On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:56:20 +0100, Brian-Gaff wrote:

I don't know what hers is, so cannot comment. I was led to believe the pump
was renewed at the time and yes, its upstairs in the airing cupboard. In
which case she has been unlucky. The thing is it has made this noise since
new and the folk who put the system in claim they all are like that.
Brian



--
Pat Glenn, weightlifting commentator - "And this is Gregoriava from Bulgaria. I saw her snatch this morning and it was amazing!"

On 13/05/2018 13:53, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:48:26 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:
On 13/05/2018 12:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the
kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at a
premium.

In our case, because our kitchen is small and therefore only for cooking
and washing, not eating or sitting, so noise is unimportant;
electricity, gas and water are all already present; it is a wall mounted
boiler, high on the wall, so takes no useful space up; in any other room
it would look stupid.

Mine was apparently in the bedroom until the previous owner moved it
into the kitchen.* How anyone slept with that running I don't know.

If you're hard you don't need the heating on when you're in bed.

--
Max Demian

On 13/05/2018 13:48, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:17:15 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) formulated the question :
Yup. But then I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at a
premium.

In our case, we have a large kitchen and the space it occupies (in a
matching cupboard unit) would have been just dead space anyway.

It is the third boiler to be fitted there, since the original, 22mm
pipes + gas were there and for the condensate, there was a drain
directly behind it. The location makes it also easy to keep an eye on
its operation and over ride the time clock for an impromptu bath, or
more HW when required for washing up.

Besides, where else would we put it? I wouldn't want it in the living
room, nor the bedrooms. The utility is already pretty full and wouldn't
be that useful to place it there.

Noise of the boiler is not that much of a problem, it is barely
audible.

Ours was originally in the cupboard under the stairs, we replaced it with one
that we put in the attic.

With a condensing boiler you need somewhere for the condensate to drain.
Easy in the kitchen, but just having a pipe poking out of the wall risks
freezing.

--
Max Demian

On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:11:44 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 13/05/2018 13:53, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:48:26 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:
On 13/05/2018 12:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the
kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at a
premium.

In our case, because our kitchen is small and therefore only for cooking
and washing, not eating or sitting, so noise is unimportant;
electricity, gas and water are all already present; it is a wall mounted
boiler, high on the wall, so takes no useful space up; in any other room
it would look stupid.

Mine was apparently in the bedroom until the previous owner moved it
into the kitchen. How anyone slept with that running I don't know.

If you're hard you don't need the heating on when you're in bed.

More like I can't be bothered with a timer. Easier to keep the house at daytime temperature 24/7.

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On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:14:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 13/05/2018 13:48, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:17:15 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) formulated the question :
Yup. But then I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at a
premium.

In our case, we have a large kitchen and the space it occupies (in a
matching cupboard unit) would have been just dead space anyway.

It is the third boiler to be fitted there, since the original, 22mm
pipes + gas were there and for the condensate, there was a drain
directly behind it. The location makes it also easy to keep an eye on
its operation and over ride the time clock for an impromptu bath, or
more HW when required for washing up.

Besides, where else would we put it? I wouldn't want it in the living
room, nor the bedrooms. The utility is already pretty full and wouldn't
be that useful to place it there.

Noise of the boiler is not that much of a problem, it is barely
audible.

Ours was originally in the cupboard under the stairs, we replaced it with one
that we put in the attic.

With a condensing boiler you need somewhere for the condensate to drain.
Easy in the kitchen, but just having a pipe poking out of the wall risks
freezing.

Which 50% seem to have. Don't plumbers understand freezing pipes? Condensate should drain into an inside drain.

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Brian-Gaff wrote on 13/05/2018 :
I don't know what hers is, so cannot comment. I was led to believe the pump
was renewed at the time and yes, its upstairs in the airing cupboard. In
which case she has been unlucky. The thing is it has made this noise since
new and the folk who put the system in claim they all are like that.

I have only ever come across noisy CH pumps, which are faulty/ falling
apart internally, otherwise near silent. No they are not all like that,
people usually fit new, not because they have failed, but because the
pump ha become noisy in operation. Someone is certainly telling
porkies.

Max Demian has brought this to us :
With a condensing boiler you need somewhere for the condensate to drain. Easy
in the kitchen, but just having a pipe poking out of the wall risks freezing.

I don't think they are allowed to just have the condensate pipe poking
out, it has to go to a proper drain.

Max Demian was thinking very hard :
If you're hard you don't need the heating on when you're in bed.

Not that hard, but I can easily cope with the couple of degrees fall of
the house temperature over night when the heating is off.

In article ,
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Mine was apparently in the bedroom until the previous owner moved it
into the kitchen. How anyone slept with that running I don't know.

Thanks for admitting your silent boiler is anything but.

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*I stayed up all night to see where the sun went. Then it dawned on me.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:22:42 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Brian-Gaff wrote on 13/05/2018 :
I don't know what hers is, so cannot comment. I was led to believe the pump
was renewed at the time and yes, its upstairs in the airing cupboard. In
which case she has been unlucky. The thing is it has made this noise since
new and the folk who put the system in claim they all are like that.

I have only ever come across noisy CH pumps, which are faulty/ falling
apart internally, otherwise near silent. No they are not all like that,
people usually fit new, not because they have failed, but because the
pump ha become noisy in operation. Someone is certainly telling
porkies.

I can get very strange noises from mine if there's air in it. Depending on the positioning of it, it needs bleeding as often as the radiators. I can't believe we haven't yet invented an impeller that can push air and water.

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"So it was the first ****in' leave in six ****in' months. I dropped off my ****in' uniform at the ****in' Y, went to a ****in' bar, and picked up a ****in' broad. I took her to a ****in' hotel, laid her out on the ****in' bed, and had sexual intercourse."

On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:26:23 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Max Demian has brought this to us :
With a condensing boiler you need somewhere for the condensate to drain. Easy
in the kitchen, but just having a pipe poking out of the wall risks freezing.

I don't think they are allowed to just have the condensate pipe poking
out, it has to go to a proper drain.

For what reason?

--
The dandelion swayed in the gentle breeze like an oscillating electric fan set on medium.

On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:28:42 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Max Demian was thinking very hard :
If you're hard you don't need the heating on when you're in bed.

Not that hard, but I can easily cope with the couple of degrees fall of
the house temperature over night when the heating is off.

I just don't see the point in allowing it to drop, then having to wait for it to heat up again the next day - especially as I do and have just enough radiators, to save space. I doubt you save much if it's only a couple of degrees. Think of the temperature difference between outside and inside daytime temperature, and the difference between outside and the average of your 2C drop (which is 1C).

Plus I have cats and parrots I don't want getting colder at night. They can turn the lights on themselves too (no they're not that clever, I have PIRs). -----insert joke about the noise a cat makes.

--
The dandelion swayed in the gentle breeze like an oscillating electric fan set on medium.

On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:30:38 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Mine was apparently in the bedroom until the previous owner moved it
into the kitchen. How anyone slept with that running I don't know.

Thanks for admitting your silent boiler is anything but.

Clearly during the night you need 100% silence. My boiler (pre-2000, no pump or fan) can only be heard slightly when it ignites, and only when burning if you stand right next to it. Quiet enough to get to sleep in the next room, but not if it was in the cupboard right next to me. But other people's more modern boilers I can hear pumping and blowing outside the house, in the kitchen, in the next room, etc, during the day. Very annoying.

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Be careful about reading health books, you may die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian-Gaff wrote on 13/05/2018 :
I don't know what hers is, so cannot comment. I was led to believe the pump
was renewed at the time and yes, its upstairs in the airing cupboard. In
which case she has been unlucky. The thing is it has made this noise since
new and the folk who put the system in claim they all are like that.

I have only ever come across noisy CH pumps, which are faulty/ falling
apart internally, otherwise near silent. No they are not all like that,
people usually fit new, not because they have failed, but because the
pump ha become noisy in operation. Someone is certainly telling
porkies.

The pump itself should be near silent. Most likely it's the water
circulating making the noise.

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*I have never hated a man enough to give his diamonds back.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 13 May 2018 07:52:30 +0100, Brian Gaff, the notorious, obviously
mentally deficient, troll-feeding senile idiot, blabbered again:

Yes indeed, Not only that but for years, my next door neighbour had a CH
system which was almost silent.

FLUSH drivel

If ONLY you troll-feeding idiots weren't that noisy! BG

On Sun, 13 May 2018 10:40:44 +0100, Dave Blowman (News), the notorious
troll-feeding idiot, driveled again:



You're obviously deaf if you can't hear your burner running.

He ISN'T deaf, you idiot! He's TROLLING! Get real! tsk

On Sun, 13 May 2018 12:10:22 +0100, Peter Parry, another mentally deficient
troll-feeding idiot, blathered:



The Viessmann we have is virtually silent when starting and running.

....and another idiot who fell for the Scottish sow's latest troll! tsk

On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:11:44 +0100, Max Demian, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding retard, blabbered:


Mine was apparently in the bedroom until the previous owner moved it
into the kitchen.* How anyone slept with that running I don't know.

If you're hard you don't need the heating on when you're in bed.

You STILL didn't get what the matter is with that attention-starved Scottish
sow, eh? LOL

On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:52:30 +0100, Brian Gaff, the notorious, obviously
mentally deficient, troll-feeding senile idiot, blabbered again:

What is wrong with you?
I was actually wondering if it takes one to know one :-)
Brian

I understand that you driveling troll-feeding moron don't like to be exposed
for what you are! But then, it's your choice! Feed the troll, keep getting
exposed! It's as simple as that. No way out of it for you or anyone else!!!
Spread the word!

On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:30:38 +0100, Dave Blowman (News), the notorious
troll-feeding idiot, driveled again:



Thanks for admitting your silent boiler is anything but.

Thanks for demonstrating AGAIN that you ARE mentally deficient troll-feeding
idiot, Blowman! BG

"Max Demian" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 13/05/2018 13:53, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 13:48:26 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:
On 13/05/2018 12:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I often wonder why so many have their boiler in the kitchen
- perhaps the most used room in the house. And often where space is at
a
premium.

In our case, because our kitchen is small and therefore only for cooking
and washing, not eating or sitting, so noise is unimportant;
electricity, gas and water are all already present; it is a wall mounted
boiler, high on the wall, so takes no useful space up; in any other room
it would look stupid.

Mine was apparently in the bedroom until the previous owner moved it into
the kitchen. How anyone slept with that running I don't know.

If you're hard you don't need the heating on when you're in bed.

Specially in the summer even in that soggy little frigid island.

On 13/05/2018 14:26, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Max Demian has brought this to us :
With a condensing boiler you need somewhere for the condensate to
drain. Easy in the kitchen, but just having a pipe poking out of the
wall risks freezing.

I don't think they are allowed to just have the condensate pipe poking
out, it has to go to a proper drain.

Cite please. There must be many cases were there isn't a 'proper' drain
anywhere near the boiler.

--
Max Demian

On 13/05/2018 14:34, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:28:42 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Max Demian was thinking very hard :
If you're hard you don't need the heating on when you're in bed.

Not that hard, but I can easily cope with the couple of degrees fall of
the house temperature over night when the heating is off.

I just don't see the point in allowing it to drop, then having to wait
for it to heat up again the next day - especially as I do and have just
enough radiators, to save space.

With a well insulated house the temperature won't drop all that much,
and you can be nice and cosy under a duvet. And, I don't know about you,
but I don't need such a high temperature in the morning as later in the day.

Plus I have cats and parrots I don't want getting colder at night.

They have fur and feathers respectively. Do they complain?

--
Max Demian

On Sun, 13 May 2018 21:23:36 +0100, Max Demian, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding retard, blabbered:


I just don't see the point in allowing it to drop, then having to wait
for it to heat up again the next day - especially as I do and have just
enough radiators, to save space.

With a well insulated house the temperature won't drop all that much,
and you can be nice and cosy under a duvet. And, I don't know about you,
but I don't need such a high temperature in the morning as later in the day.

Is there no bait idiotic enough that you WON'T swallow, hook, line and
sinker, senile idiot? tsk

On Sun, 13 May 2018 21:23:36 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 13/05/2018 14:34, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:28:42 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Max Demian was thinking very hard :
If you're hard you don't need the heating on when you're in bed.

Not that hard, but I can easily cope with the couple of degrees fall of
the house temperature over night when the heating is off.

I just don't see the point in allowing it to drop, then having to wait
for it to heat up again the next day - especially as I do and have just
enough radiators, to save space.

With a well insulated house the temperature won't drop all that much,
and you can be nice and cosy under a duvet. And, I don't know about you,
but I don't need such a high temperature in the morning as later in the day.

If it doesn't drop much, why bother having two different settings? Just set the thermostat to what you want during the day, but turn off the bedroom radiator.

Plus I have cats and parrots I don't want getting colder at night.

They have fur and feathers respectively. Do they complain?

Well the cats always lie in the sun if possible, and sit on radiators when they're on.

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You are the only person I know that has ever had a brain tumour removed from their arse.