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[OT] MacBook with external Windows keyboard - layout mappings
Tried this on mac-forums.com but no joy...
(Unless anyone knows an *good* Mac forums :P I'm new to MacOSX, coming from Linux. How do you associate different layout maps with different physical keyboards - eg the built in one and a wired one (well wireless, but dongle based, so looks like a wired one to the OS) I can change the layout generally, and bugger up the inbuilt keyboard's map - but I cannot for the life of me work out how to use 2 keyboards at once with the correct maps applied to each. Google is not my friend, except that I am coming to the conclusion MacOSX can't actually handle this case. But that's retarded, for an OS that I'm actually very impressed with - so it must be me... |
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[OT] MacBook with external Windows keyboard - layout mappings
Tim Watts wrote:
I can change the layout generally, and bugger up the inbuilt keyboard's map - but I cannot for the life of me work out how to use 2 keyboards at once with the correct maps applied to each. Have a look at Karabiner Elements. You can modify keyboard events from specific keyboards. So it will allow them to work differently, but you might have to manually create mappings for the keys you want. Theo |
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[OT] MacBook with external Windows keyboard - layout mappings
On 10/05/18 17:33, Theo wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: I can change the layout generally, and bugger up the inbuilt keyboard's map - but I cannot for the life of me work out how to use 2 keyboards at once with the correct maps applied to each. Have a look at Karabiner Elements. You can modify keyboard events from specific keyboards. So it will allow them to work differently, but you might have to manually create mappings for the keys you want. Theo Cool - Thanks Theo. It's only a few things that are wrong - "@ are transposed, # buggered off and a few similar examples. Shouldn't take long. I'm just really quite surprised if MacOSX is too dumb to handle this natively - external keyboards, especially Windows layout, are not a rare thing to jack in to any laptop. |
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[OT] MacBook with external Windows keyboard - layout mappings
Tim Watts wrote:
I'm just really quite surprised if MacOSX is too dumb to handle this natively - external keyboards, especially Windows layout, are not a rare thing to jack in to any laptop. Generally the Mac worldview is to eschew anything 'complicated'. So the answer to 'complicated' questions is often 'it can't be done', where the Linux worldview is 'everything can be done, but only if you root around in obscure config'. (Often something can be done on Macs too, just the config is even less well-known. The Apple forum is particularly annoying for the posters whose default answers are 'can't be done' or 'you'll need to pay $$$ for Shiny Solution X') Theo |
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[OT] MacBook with external Windows keyboard - layout mappings
On 10/05/18 18:53, Theo wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: I'm just really quite surprised if MacOSX is too dumb to handle this natively - external keyboards, especially Windows layout, are not a rare thing to jack in to any laptop. Generally the Mac worldview is to eschew anything 'complicated'. So the answer to 'complicated' questions is often 'it can't be done', where the Linux worldview is 'everything can be done, but only if you root around in obscure config'. (Often something can be done on Macs too, just the config is even less well-known. The Apple forum is particularly annoying for the posters whose default answers are 'can't be done' or 'you'll need to pay $$$ for Shiny Solution X') Theo Yes - I had: "What does Logitech say? They have software for their devices." I shouldn't be rude, the guy did bother to type a reply (the only reply). But, what? Really? It's a keyboard. A generic USB keyboard. Even Mac users who aren't well versed in other OSes much sure have at some point picked up an external PC keyboard, plugged it in, broken layout, fix layout, notice built in mappings now buggered - and said "this is ******** - why doesn't it "just work"? To be fair, I'm quite impressed with the general smoothness of MacOSX (coming from Linux) and it does, for the most part "just work". I departed from Linux for Lightroom+Photoshop (no, Darktable and Gimp does not really cut the mustard, if you have a choice) plus the kid's needed access to many of the Adobe apps (which I can get on education discount so pretty cheap) and Sibelius and Logic Pro X (the last is not so cheap!) I could run most of those on Windows, but I'd rather screw up a blacksmith's vice across my temples than support Windows with 2 kids all over it. I decided I'd probably have a more sensible conversation here |
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[OT] MacBook with external Windows keyboard - layout mappings
On 10/05/18 19:15, Tim Watts wrote:
I'm quite impressed with the general smoothness of MacOSX (coming from Linux) and it does, for the most part "just work". I was for about a year until it just 'didn't work' and NO ONE could tell me how to fix it. I wnet back to linux MINT and was instantly bacl in a plavce where stuff could be nade to work -- "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics." Josef Stalin |
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[OT] MacBook with external Windows keyboard - layout mappings
Tim Watts wrote:
Yes - I had: "What does Logitech say? They have software for their devices." I shouldn't be rude, the guy did bother to type a reply (the only reply). TBF there might be a third party workaround. But if you come from the Linux mindset you automatically expect everything to be included and third party drivers to be complete junk. MacOS is a bit more like Windows in that respect: it's not Apple's job to make the experience nice for everything you might add to your machine - the vendor sold you the hardware and the drivers are also their responsibility. But, what? Really? It's a keyboard. A generic USB keyboard. Even Mac users who aren't well versed in other OSes much sure have at some point picked up an external PC keyboard, plugged it in, broken layout, fix layout, notice built in mappings now buggered - and said "this is ******** - why doesn't it "just work"? Increasingly more drivers are being written by Apple these days, and more devices are picking chips for which Apple have already written drivers, so the above balance is shifting towards the Linux position. (It's also becoming increasingly more difficult to write kernel extensions since they're such a security risk and due to the amount of vetting Apple requires) I decided I'd probably have a more sensible conversation here uk.comp.sys.mac is quite friendly and has quite a few people who Know Stuff. Also covers iOS gadgets as well. Theo |
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[OT] MacBook with external Windows keyboard - layout mappings
On 10/05/18 18:53, Theo wrote:
The Apple forum is particularly annoying for the posters whose default answers are 'can't be done' or 'you'll need to pay $$$ for Shiny Solution X' Ah. The Apple mindset in a nutshell. -- "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics." Josef Stalin |
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