Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole lot
were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now have a
bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.

I need to replace the ridge tile. The house was built in 1971. The tiles are
a dark bluish grey in colour and very heavy. I would guess made of concrete.

Without clambering up on the roof (I'm too old to that these days) it is
hard for me to be accurate about the size but from the fragments I would
say the sloping sides were something over 6 inches but the width of the top
I cannot say because the fragments do not match up.

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.


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Pinnerite wrote:
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole
lot were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now
have a bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.

I need to replace the ridge tile. The house was built in 1971. The
tiles are a dark bluish grey in colour and very heavy. I would guess
made of concrete.

Without clambering up on the roof (I'm too old to that these days) it
is hard for me to be accurate about the size but from the fragments I
would say the sloping sides were something over 6 inches but the
width of the top I cannot say because the fragments do not match up.

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very
welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.

If it's any help.
A few years ago I helped out on refurbishing a bungalow. I asked the builder
guys there how much would it cost to sort out the ridge tiles on my bungalow
which I thought were looking a bit worse for wear. They said to take down,
clean up and put back - £20 per tile.
But, this price is in Lancashire.

Pinnerite wrote:

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.

But even if you find a replacement tile you will need to have it fitted.
I'd suggest contacting a decent local roofer is the thing to do. I know a
roofer in that area if that helps. Email me and I'll forward his contact
details.

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On 20/04/2018 15:38, Pinnerite wrote:
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole lot
were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now have a
bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.


Please report it to the police (you could mention criminal damage).
While I can't see that doing anything to help you, with luck it'll be
logged and may help push the buggers up the agenda for action - if only
a quiet word if they are seen in the area.

--
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:25:45 +0000, Nige Danton wrote:

Pinnerite wrote:

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.

But even if you find a replacement tile you will need to have it fitted.
I'd suggest contacting a decent local roofer is the thing to do. I know
a roofer in that area if that helps. Email me and I'll forward his
contact details.

Thank you, I'll give it a try.




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On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 16:45:06 +0100, Robin wrote:

On 20/04/2018 15:38, Pinnerite wrote:
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole
lot were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now
have a bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.


Please report it to the police (you could mention criminal damage).
While I can't see that doing anything to help you, with luck it'll be
logged and may help push the buggers up the agenda for action - if only
a quiet word if they are seen in the area.

I did as soon as I found the broken tile. Thank you.



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On 20/04/2018 15:38, Pinnerite wrote:
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole lot
were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now have a
bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.

I need to replace the ridge tile. The house was built in 1971. The tiles are
a dark bluish grey in colour and very heavy. I would guess made of concrete.

Without clambering up on the roof (I'm too old to that these days) it is
hard for me to be accurate about the size but from the fragments I would
say the sloping sides were something over 6 inches but the width of the top
I cannot say because the fragments do not match up.

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.


Can you take a picture?

On 20/04/2018 15:38, Pinnerite wrote:

Without clambering up on the roof (I'm too old to that these days) it is
hard for me to be accurate about the size but from the fragments I would
say the sloping sides were something over 6 inches but the width of the top
I cannot say because the fragments do not match up.

Ask around for recommendations for a local builder or roofer. Such
things as sourcing particular tiles are nothing to them.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:

Ask around for recommendations for a local builder or roofer. Such
things as sourcing particular tiles are nothing to them.

Round here there used to be two builders yards that kept old tiles,
recently one seems to have closed and the other taken over by a large
chain, and now only sells new tiles.

On 20/04/2018 18:33, Alan Secker wrote:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:25:45 +0000, Nige Danton wrote:

Pinnerite wrote:

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.

But even if you find a replacement tile you will need to have it fitted.
I'd suggest contacting a decent local roofer is the thing to do. I know
a roofer in that area if that helps. Email me and I'll forward his
contact details.

Thank you, I'll give it a try.




A decent roofer will source and fit an appropriate tile.
Just had my victorian house (with gables) re-roofed, many of the ridge
tiles did not survive removal or were broken already. The roofer sourced
suitable fancy and plain tiles of the correct angle from stock and/or
contacts without any delay or me having to chase round salvage yards etc.

Pinnerite presented the following explanation :
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole lot
were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

My sympathies. I see off any itinerants suggesting I might need work
doing. I use a local guy who works alone and I see doing lots of work
in the area. For cost ideas... Its a semi and last year I had him redo
the ridge tiles on my side and the adjoining semi, for £80 each.

A few months before, I had him reflaunch the chimney, which had
suffered a small amount of ingress for a few years - that cost £60.

Last week I had him attend to some 20 foot of flaunching along the edge
of some tiles, down from the ridge. We were getting some ingress to the
bathroom ceiling, for the first time, following the 'beast from the
east' rather unusually - blowing weather at the building from the east.
That cost £60..

Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
Pinnerite presented the following explanation :
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole lot
were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

My sympathies. I see off any itinerants suggesting I might need work
doing. I use a local guy who works alone and I see doing lots of work
in the area. For cost ideas... Its a semi and last year I had him redo
the ridge tiles on my side and the adjoining semi, for £80 each.

A few months before, I had him reflaunch the chimney, which had
suffered a small amount of ingress for a few years - that cost £60.

Last week I had him attend to some 20 foot of flaunching along the edge
of some tiles, down from the ridge. We were getting some ingress to the
bathroom ceiling, for the first time, following the 'beast from the
east' rather unusually - blowing weather at the building from the east.
That cost £60..


He wont be around for long.
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Why on earth did you let anyone onto your roof!

I hope you took a picture of them and will give it to the cops.
Whether they were scammers or not, most things that are working should not
be disturbed. Old roves particularly.
I'd get a bona fide builder in to fix it and then see if you can chase
down the nutters.

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"Pinnerite" wrote in message
news
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole lot
were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now have
a
bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.

I need to replace the ridge tile. The house was built in 1971. The tiles
are
a dark bluish grey in colour and very heavy. I would guess made of
concrete.

Without clambering up on the roof (I'm too old to that these days) it is
hard for me to be accurate about the size but from the fragments I would
say the sloping sides were something over 6 inches but the width of the
top
I cannot say because the fragments do not match up.

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.


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What an odd way to price a job up!
Do they also charge gutter repairs by feet?
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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
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Pinnerite wrote:
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole
lot were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now
have a bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.

I need to replace the ridge tile. The house was built in 1971. The
tiles are a dark bluish grey in colour and very heavy. I would guess
made of concrete.

Without clambering up on the roof (I'm too old to that these days) it
is hard for me to be accurate about the size but from the fragments I
would say the sloping sides were something over 6 inches but the
width of the top I cannot say because the fragments do not match up.

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very
welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.

If it's any help.
A few years ago I helped out on refurbishing a bungalow. I asked the
builder guys there how much would it cost to sort out the ridge tiles on
my bungalow which I thought were looking a bit worse for wear. They said
to take down, clean up and put back - £20 per tile.
But, this price is in Lancashire.

In message , Chris Hogg
writes
On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 20:32:39 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Bill Wright wrote:

Ask around for recommendations for a local builder or roofer. Such
things as sourcing particular tiles are nothing to them.

Round here there used to be two builders yards that kept old tiles,
recently one seems to have closed and the other taken over by a large
chain, and now only sells new tiles.

The OP could try architectural reclaim sites in the Watford area.

https://bit.ly/2HSnGC8 although if he doesn't know the dimensions of
the original tile it might be difficult.

The one at London Colney might be worth a look. Long while since I was
there though.


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Jim K brought next idea :
He wont be around for long.

--

I suspect he will, he has been around for many years already. He seems
to work a system of ladder up, looking, pricing and doing the jobs in
one session of around an hour, all within a mile or two of his home. So
maybe £420 per seven hour day, £2100 per week for the smaller jobs.

The previous guy I tried to get a price from for flaunching the top of
the chimney, was reluctant to even quote, was talking of several
hundred pounds to demolish, rebuild and reflash.

Brian Gaff explained on 21/04/2018 :
Why on earth did you let anyone onto your roof!

I hope you took a picture of them and will give it to the cops.
Whether they were scammers or not, most things that are working should not be
disturbed. Old roves particularly.
I'd get a bona fide builder in to fix it and then see if you can chase down
the nutters.

Chances of finding them - nil, chances of getting money back - nil and
it would be very risky to tackle them yourself. No point even taking
registration numbers, their vehicle will have no tax, no insurance and
no MOT. They will be itinerants going door to door doing this sort of
thing.

We get them quite regularly, saying the roof needs work, wanting to
resurface the drive with some left over tarmac they happen to have from
a resurfacing contract, then the carpet sellers with left over material
from a hotel contract. Others wanting to know if I want to sell my
caravan.

The dogs prevent them coming in the gate, I send them on their way.

On 21/04/2018 09:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim K brought next idea :
He wont be around for long.

--

I suspect he will, he has been around for many years already. He seems
to work a system of ladder up, looking, pricing and doing the jobs in
one session of around an hour, all within a mile or two of his home. So
maybe £420 per seven hour day, £2100 per week for the smaller jobs.

The previous guy I tried to get a price from for flaunching the top of
the chimney, was reluctant to even quote, was talking of several hundred
pounds to demolish, rebuild and reflash.

Plus scaffolding? That makes such small jobs eye-watering (especially
in London).

In passing, are there any rope systems approved for roof work? (I hate
working on normally pitched rooves but will do so for small jobs with a
harness and self-belay to a rope over the ridge. But I've only ever seen
ropes used by the specialists who eg abseil down tower blocks sealing
windows.)

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In article ,
Pinnerite wrote:
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole lot
were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now have a
bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.

I need to replace the ridge tile. The house was built in 1971. The tiles are
a dark bluish grey in colour and very heavy. I would guess made of concrete.

Without clambering up on the roof (I'm too old to that these days) it is
hard for me to be accurate about the size but from the fragments I would
say the sloping sides were something over 6 inches but the width of the top
I cannot say because the fragments do not match up.

Any clues about where to go to buy a replacement would be very welcome.
My location is NW London, near Watford.

Sadly these con merchants rely on the roof being beyond access for even
most DIYers.

An honest one these days will take pics of any problems using his phone
and show you what work needs doing (if you are interested)

Ordinary mortar isn't ideal for bedding ridge tiles as there will be
differential expansion between them and the main roof. But there are
flexible alternatives around. If you look at most roofs where ordinary
mortar has been used it will be cracked and often bits missing.

I'd ask neighbours if they have used anyone for this sort of job who was
good and honest.

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On 20/04/2018 18:37, Alan Secker wrote:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 16:45:06 +0100, Robin wrote:

On 20/04/2018 15:38, Pinnerite wrote:
Three scammers offered to re-mortar the edges of my roof tiles for a
reasonable sum.

While they were up there they lifted a ridge tile claiming the whole
lot were now loose and for a large sum would be prepared to redo them.
I declined, paid what had been agreed an they left.

Later I found the remains of what looks like the lifted tile. We now
have a bucket beneath a gaping whole in our roof.


Please report it to the police (you could mention criminal damage).
While I can't see that doing anything to help you, with luck it'll be
logged and may help push the buggers up the agenda for action - if only
a quiet word if they are seen in the area.

I did as soon as I found the broken tile. Thank you.




If they were cold callers and you paid them cash then more
fool you. Never deal with these people. Never pay cash,
never pay 'deposits' because proper contractors will have
30-day accounts with suppliers.

In article ,
Bill Wright writes:
On 20/04/2018 15:38, Pinnerite wrote:

Without clambering up on the roof (I'm too old to that these days) it is
hard for me to be accurate about the size but from the fragments I would
say the sloping sides were something over 6 inches but the width of the top
I cannot say because the fragments do not match up.

Ask around for recommendations for a local builder or roofer. Such
things as sourcing particular tiles are nothing to them.

Another option, walk around your local area and you will surely find
a house somewhere having a new roof. Ask that roofer, providing they
look like they know what they're doing.

A neighbour of a friend in North London had a similar experience to
yours - paid 5 grand to someone who came to the door saying his ridge
tiles needed fixing. All they did was go up on the roof, take them all
off and pile them up at one end ready to fall off, and then scarper
with the 5 grand. The poor chap was terminally ill with cancer, and not
well off. My friend helped him find a proper roofer and it was fixed,
but only a few weeks before the bloke died. Just the sort of hassle
he didn't need at that time.

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Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
Jim K brought next idea :
He wont be around for long.

--

I suspect he will, he has been around for many years already. He seems
to work a system of ladder up, looking, pricing and doing the jobs in
one session of around an hour, all within a mile or two of his home. So
maybe £420 per seven hour day, £2100 per week for the smaller jobs.


Ask him? I think youre way off with your assumptions, - when does
he get setup & tidied away ? How does he get from one to the
next?All time & money.

Hacking off a pointed roof verge & repointing from a ladder in an
hour for £60? 7 times a day, 5 days a week? Nah! :-)


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Jim K brought next idea :
Hacking off a pointed roof verge & repointing from a ladder in an
hour for £60? 7 times a day, 5 days a week? Nah! :-)

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed tile
edges. His previous work, where he reflaunched the chimney, then redid
the apex tiles has lasted and been absolutely fine. I see him around
the village quite often, always managing from ladders and only tackling
the smaller, single handed, quick jobs.

On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed tile
edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new mortar
has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges is to
take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new bed, then
point up.

Bill

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed tile
edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new mortar
has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges is to
take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new bed, then
point up.

And if you must use mortar, use a lime based one which allows more
movement. You can buy it ready mixed, and the costs low as part of the
overall cost of doing the job.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed tile
edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new mortar
has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges is to
take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new bed, then
point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

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In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges
is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new
bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Have a good look at nearby houses where the ridge tiles are set in
portland cement mortar. Willing to bet most have rather obvious faults in
it. Even signs of repairs.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges
is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new
bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Other than mortar what would you recommend?

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In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do
ridges is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar,
lay a new bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Other than mortar what would you recommend?

Perhaps you should read *before* snipping?

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On 22/04/2018 13:43, Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges
is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new
bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Other than mortar what would you recommend?

He's probably just trying to come across as a clever where others would
just mention the option of using a dry ridge system in place of
traditional ridge tiles. Doesn't work for me but it's a free country...

--
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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do
ridges is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar,
lay a new bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Other than mortar what would you recommend?

Oh dear here we go again
You said 4 sentences up there ^

"If you must use mortar....."

I've asked what else you recommend & not yet had a constructive
answer from you. Never mind.
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In article ,
Robin wrote:
On 22/04/2018 13:43, Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges
is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new
bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Other than mortar what would you recommend?

He's probably just trying to come across as a clever where others would
just mention the option of using a dry ridge system in place of
traditional ridge tiles. Doesn't work for me but it's a free country...

Feel very free to pay someone who knocks on the door to 'patch' your ridge
tiles using ordinary mortar. As often as you want to.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 22/04/2018 12:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed tile
edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new mortar
has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges is to
take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new bed, then
point up.

And if you must use mortar, use a lime based one which allows more
movement. You can buy it ready mixed, and the costs low as part of the
overall cost of doing the job.

Depends on what the tiles are made off. Marley Modern concrete
tiles are better with a slightly stronger mortar mix because they
are pretty strong anyway. If you mix a bit of cement dye in the mix
to make it dry greyish, then that compensates for the extra
cement anyway.

There are a few extensions near me with these tiles, where a
weak mortar mix was used, which dried an awful sandy colour, unlike
the original roof, and the frost is making a couple of
them fairly tatty after only a few years.

On 22/04/2018 13:02, Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
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Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed tile
edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new mortar
has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges is to
take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new bed, then
point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?


I've seen ridge tiles 'fastened' on with silicon sealant!

Bill

On 22/04/2018 14:48, Jim K wrote:
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Jim K wrote:
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Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do
ridges is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar,
lay a new bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Other than mortar what would you recommend?

Oh dear here we go again
You said 4 sentences up there ^

"If you must use mortar....."

I've asked what else you recommend & not yet had a constructive
answer from you. Never mind.

The modern way is 'dry ridge'. There seem to be plastic connectors
between the ridge and hip tiles that are nailed with aluminium nails
into the truss. Only the angled joint where a hip meets a ridge is
mortared.

The gable end of an unhipped roof can be done with special plastic
covers and no mortar is used.

On 22/04/2018 14:32, Robin wrote:
On 22/04/2018 13:43, Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
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Â*Â*Â* Jim K wrote:
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Â*Â*Â* Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges
is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new
bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Other than mortar what would you recommend?

He's probably just trying to come across as a clever where others would
just mention the option of using a dry ridge system in place of
traditional ridge tiles.Â* Doesn't work for me but it's a free country...


In Ireland, where the prevailing south-westerlies can rip off the ends
of a tiled roof, it is common to build some shuttering right at the
end of the roof, about a foot wide and create a solid run of concrete
from ridge down to the gutter.

On 21/04/2018 10:40, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Ordinary mortar isn't ideal for bedding ridge tiles as there will be
differential expansion between them and the main roof.

Marley concrete tiles are better set in a stronger mix. This is how
the 150 houses on my 1976 estate were built. Most of the houses
still have their original mortar at gable ends and along the ridge.

The sand seems to be a very fine red colour which they used to
make the initial mortar, then at the gable ends they scraped it back
about half and inch and over-mortared with some grey-dyed mortar before
the initial un-dyed mortar had set.

really tough, hard mortar too.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 09:42:05 +0100, Robin wrote:

On 21/04/2018 09:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim K brought next idea :
He wont be around for long.

--

I suspect he will, he has been around for many years already. He seems
to work a system of ladder up, looking, pricing and doing the jobs in
one session of around an hour, all within a mile or two of his home. So
maybe £420 per seven hour day, £2100 per week for the smaller jobs.

The previous guy I tried to get a price from for flaunching the top of
the chimney, was reluctant to even quote, was talking of several hundred
pounds to demolish, rebuild and reflash.

Plus scaffolding? That makes such small jobs eye-watering (especially
in London).

In passing, are there any rope systems approved for roof work? (I hate
working on normally pitched rooves but will do so for small jobs with a
harness and self-belay to a rope over the ridge. But I've only ever seen
ropes used by the specialists who eg abseil down tower blocks sealing
windows.)

What is normally pitched? I'm happy working on my roof which I would say is 30 degrees from the horizontal. The 60 degree ones, no, they look slippy.

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 14:48:43 +0100, Jim K wrote:

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Jim K wrote:
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Jim K wrote:
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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed
tile edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new
mortar has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do
ridges is to take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar,
lay a new bed, then point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

For ridge tiles? Plenty. They ain't load bearing.

Other than mortar what would you recommend?

Oh dear here we go again
You said 4 sentences up there ^

"If you must use mortar....."

I've asked what else you recommend & not yet had a constructive
answer from you. Never mind.

He did, he said "Have a good look at nearby houses where the ridge tiles are set in
portland cement mortar." But for some stupid reason you deleted that part.

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 15:37:47 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

On 22/04/2018 13:02, Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 21/04/2018 22:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

He didn't need to hack off, just 'butter' a bit over the exposed tile
edges.

I've been on hundreds of roofs where that's been done and the new mortar
has come off and slid down the roof. The only way to do ridges is to
take the tiles right off, remove all the old mortar, lay a new bed, then
point up.

And if you must use mortar,

Er... are there many other options for a traditional house repair?

I've seen ridge tiles 'fastened' on with silicon sealant!

Or even silicone. Unless they're electronic?

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