Its out to fry yer brains;!!

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 23:09:16 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Its out to fry yer brains;!!

https://theecologist.org/2017/jun/06...on-and-health-
why-are-we-neglecting-non-toxic-alternatives

Yes, I've come across a few people telling me this!

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On 30/03/2018 23:24, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 23:09:16 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Its out to fry yer brains;!!

https://theecologist.org/2017/jun/06...on-and-health-
why-are-we-neglecting-non-toxic-alternatives

Yes, I've come across a few people telling me this!


The have a linked video showing how smart meter pulses effect the heart!

or maybe.....
how the pulses from a smart meter placed 1m away from the leads going to
someone hooked up to a sensitive EKG machine can also be picked up by
the machine?

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Is this the old problem of RF from mobile devices again, but from a smart
meter?
There are ham radio operators all over the world chuckling.
To be honest if you were daft enough to stand in line with a radar scanner
then I'd expect issues, but in this case... really? if it puts out that much
power then think of the cost to the suppliers of all that electricity they
would be using in every house?
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Its out to fry yer brains;!!

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I think really people making stuff like pacemakers should have tested this
sort of thing well in advance and yes, many ecg machines, as their inputs
are high impedance will pick up pulses of rf if close enough.
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On 30/03/2018 23:24, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 23:09:16 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Its out to fry yer brains;!!

https://theecologist.org/2017/jun/06...on-and-health-
why-are-we-neglecting-non-toxic-alternatives

Yes, I've come across a few people telling me this!


The have a linked video showing how smart meter pulses effect the heart!

or maybe.....
how the pulses from a smart meter placed 1m away from the leads going to
someone hooked up to a sensitive EKG machine can also be picked up by the
machine?

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alan_m brought next idea :
or maybe.....
how the pulses from a smart meter placed 1m away from the leads going to
someone hooked up to a sensitive EKG machine can also be picked up by the
machine?

That last seems the much more likely..

Brian Gaff submitted this idea :
To be honest if you were daft enough to stand in line with a radar scanner
then I'd expect issues, but in this case... really? if it puts out that much
power then think of the cost to the suppliers of all that electricity they
would be using in every house?

I don't believe there is a problem from the RF, but the RF and power
used is a very short and intermitant pulse of energy and energy used.
Remember, the gas meter uses a tiny battery to power the transmission
and that has to last for many years.

Brian Gaff wrote:

Is this the old problem of RF from mobile devices again

Well, it's the problem of nutters who fear any RF, at any power level,
at any distance ...

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:35:30 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

Is this the old problem of RF from mobile devices again

Well, it's the problem of nutters who fear any RF, at any power level,
at any distance ...

& use their mobile (or wifi linked iThing) to tell everyone about it

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On 31/03/2018 09:35, Andy Burns wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote:

Is this the old problem of RF from mobile devices again

Well, it's the problem of nutters who fear any RF, at any power level,
at any distance ...

Consider if the EKG equipment is picking up the same magnitude of energy
from the heart as from a smart meter there must be a much bigger risk
when in close proximity to someone else. A night in bed with your
partner could be fatal!

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On Saturday, 31 March 2018 09:22:20 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think really people making stuff like pacemakers should have tested this
sort of thing well in advance

I don't know how long pacemakers last but some people must have quite old ones which predate smart meters.

Owain

On 31/03/2018 09:35, Andy Burns wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote:

Is this the old problem of RF from mobile devices again

Well, it's the problem of nutters who fear any RF, at any power level,
at any distance ...

Mobile phones modulate their output power to the lowest level
needed for communication. I believe this is why you should not
use your phone in a plane, because it tries maximum power.

Do smart meters carry out this same process ?.

On 31/03/2018 11:39, wrote:
On Saturday, 31 March 2018 09:22:20 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think really people making stuff like pacemakers should have tested this
sort of thing well in advance

I don't know how long pacemakers last but some people must have quite old ones which predate smart meters.

Pacemakers usually need a new battery within 10 years or less. And
pacemakers are designed to cope with radio waves within intermational
standards from things like mobile phones and home networks. The same
standards smart meters are designed to meet. And smart meters are
tested just like other stuff by the HPA. So can we move on to - say -
the disgusting failure to address the health risk from the noise
generated by mechanical meters?

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Andrew wrote:

Mobile phones modulate their output power to the lowest level
needed for communication. I believe this is why you should not
use your phone in a plane, because it tries maximum power.

Do smart meters carry out this same process ?.

Smart meters will use off-the-shelf transceiver modules (zigbee,
wireless-mbus, sigfox, etc) which will use ISM frequencies at permitted
power levels, if your stairlift can't cope with sharing the bandwidth
with other devices, it's the stairlift's fault ...

On 3/31/2018 6:39 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, 31 March 2018 09:22:20 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think really people making stuff like pacemakers should have tested this
sort of thing well in advance

I don't know how long pacemakers last but some people must have quite old ones which predate smart meters.

How long have smart meters been around?

Andrew explained on 31/03/2018 :
Mobile phones modulate their output power to the lowest level
needed for communication. I believe this is why you should not
use your phone in a plane, because it tries maximum power.

Do smart meters carry out this same process ?.

Yes, exactly the same as a mobile phone would, but then not many people
sit with a meter next to their brain all day and RF's effect follows
the inverse square law.

Those most vocal at complaining about mobile masts, are often the ones
who make a lot of use of their mobiles. RF output from a phone is not
much less than that from a mast, but they are quite happy to put the
mobile next to their brain. The more masts there are, the less power
the phone needs to use to communicate with it, the lower the risk - yet
they complain about the health risks of living near a mast.

On 31/03/2018 12:55, S Viemeister wrote:
On 3/31/2018 6:39 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, 31 March 2018 09:22:20 UTC+1, Brian GaffÂ* wrote:
I think really people making stuff like pacemakers should have tested
this
sort of thing well in advance

I don't know how long pacemakers last but some people must have quite
old ones which predate smart meters.

How long have smart meters been around?


11 years in the UK

10 years ago the USA had 2 million smart meters installed and currently
has 70+ million.

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alan_m wrote:

10 years ago the USA had 2 million smart meters installed and currently
has 70+ million.

I understand the smart meters in the USA work differently, i.e. they
have street/neighbourhood level mesh networking to allow them to be read
without using mobile phone networks ...

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 13:23:28 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 31/03/2018 12:55, S Viemeister wrote:
On 3/31/2018 6:39 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, 31 March 2018 09:22:20 UTC+1, Brian GaffÂ* wrote:
I think really people making stuff like pacemakers should have tested
this sort of thing well in advance

I don't know how long pacemakers last but some people must have quite
old ones which predate smart meters.

How long have smart meters been around?


11 years in the UK

10 years ago the USA had 2 million smart meters installed and currently
has 70+ million.

OTOH, that could explain the election of Trump.

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:35:30 +0100
Andy Burns wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

Is this the old problem of RF from mobile devices again

Well, it's the problem of nutters who fear any RF, at any power
level, at any distance ...


Well it might explain why the hams are such an obnoxious wunch of
bankers.

On 31/03/2018 00:15, alan_m wrote:
On 30/03/2018 23:24, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 23:09:16 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Its out to fry yer brains;!!

https://theecologist.org/2017/jun/06...on-and-health-
why-are-we-neglecting-non-toxic-alternatives

Yes, I've come across a few people telling me this!


The have a linked video showing how smart meter pulses effect the heart!

or maybe.....
how the pulses from a smart meter placed 1m away from the leads going to
someone hooked up to a sensitive EKG machine can also be picked up by
the machine?


Agreed. FFS I can't see them producing the sort of electromagnetic
fields that you get from an arc welder.